comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 53 minutes ago
Clearly isn’t true if Matth hasn’t posted it
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He’s ahead of the game mate
Moved on from elementary Sancho deals to imminent Jimenez arrival scoops
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Atleast, that’s what it looked like through all the drool on matth’s laptop screen...
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 26 minutes ago
Clearly isn’t true if Matth hasn’t posted it
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Matth will be busy cleaning up the stains on his bedroom wall. Not a good vision for sure.
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Using his pug as a sponge
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comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 26 minutes ago
Clearly isn’t true if Matth hasn’t posted it
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Matth will be busy cleaning up the stains on his bedroom wall. Not a good vision for sure.
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Using his pug as a sponge
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Poor dog.
Should call it Jizzon Sancho or current flavour of the month Raul Jizzimess.
At least buy a dog with a tail that could double as a squeegee if you deflower your bedroom wall on a regular basis.
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
Its good of United and Dortmund to consult Fleet Street of every twist and turn of their contract negotiations before it is finalised.
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
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No.
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
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Difficult to gauge what 'this market is' and Ake has just gone for £40m.
Looks a good deal on the face of it to me - one of England's most highly rated young players won't come cheap.
But youd expect to pay less for him post Covid.
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
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Although it’s all media talk, you would have believed that Dortmund were trying to scrape as much as they could from us at a higher initial payment. I’m not complaining from our POV on the first payment of 60m Euros, it’s just that I’d have thought that Dortmund would have wanted more upfront. Something like perhaps 80-90 million (if the asking price isn’t budged from 120m Euros) And that the rest would be paid in installments etc.
If it is true that this is the structured deal, then I’m happy that Ed has found a worthy compromise. Whichever way, Sancho was always likely to be a huge outlay. But it’s been structured into a more sensible way now. Credit to Ed and the board if true.
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
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Although it’s all media talk, you would have believed that Dortmund were trying to scrape as much as they could from us at a higher initial payment. I’m not complaining from our POV on the first payment of 60m Euros, it’s just that I’d have thought that Dortmund would have wanted more upfront. Something like perhaps 80-90 million (if the asking price isn’t budged from 120m Euros) And that the rest would be paid in installments etc.
If it is true that this is the structured deal, then I’m happy that Ed has found a worthy compromise. Whichever way, Sancho was always likely to be a huge outlay. But it’s been structured into a more sensible way now. Credit to Ed and the board if true.
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Fair enough, makes sense.
For me he was always going to be around £100m ish. I think I'm thinking more about this than the money up front than the benefits of a smaller upfront payment etc.
Hopefully alot of the other 60m would be performance based. Like Bruno, if he plays well, he's worth the money
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
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Although it’s all media talk, you would have believed that Dortmund were trying to scrape as much as they could from us at a higher initial payment. I’m not complaining from our POV on the first payment of 60m Euros, it’s just that I’d have thought that Dortmund would have wanted more upfront. Something like perhaps 80-90 million (if the asking price isn’t budged from 120m Euros) And that the rest would be paid in installments etc.
If it is true that this is the structured deal, then I’m happy that Ed has found a worthy compromise. Whichever way, Sancho was always likely to be a huge outlay. But it’s been structured into a more sensible way now. Credit to Ed and the board if true.
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Fair enough, makes sense.
For me he was always going to be around £100m ish. I think I'm thinking more about this than the money up front than the benefits of a smaller upfront payment etc.
Hopefully alot of the other 60m would be performance based. Like Bruno, if he plays well, he's worth the money
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I don't want to sound like a pessimist, but something about this 'only' 60 million Euros upfront seems too low to me personally. As i'm sure that any club who's (un)willing to sell a highly prized key asset would want as much of the value of said player in the first upfront payment. If it still is true, then i'm thinking that due to Sancho's remaining contract length - 2 years is the factor as to why it would be possible to pay 60million first. I'm no football financial transfer expert, but it's just my 2 scents.
I do believe in today's market Sancho is worth around the £90 - £110 million mark. And i'm sure that only just a few months back, there were valuations touted around of £90-£100 million for him. Again, not much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. Maybe Dortmund were just simply trying to squeeze as much as possible for him (£110 million). United are right in not bowing down to Dortmund's full asking price. At least up front anyway.
I would be pleased if we could haggle it down to around the £90-95 million mark with add ons etc.
I don’t understand why anyone here cares about how much we pay, and how.
He’s worth a) what we’re willing to pay, and b)whatever Dortmund want. Same goes with Maguire.
I don’t care if we spend £150 million outright on him, as long as it leaves us with some cash to improve other areas.
My opinions won’t change our financial trajectory, so it is what it is.
Many of us become footballing transfer experts during the off season, don't you know?
Again, if we got Sancho in the end. I'll be happy.
But if it has a crippling effect on other areas of the squad that also needs addressing, then it is a concerning worry.
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 5 minutes ago
Many of us become footballing transfer experts during the off season, don't you know?
Again, if we got Sancho in the end. I'll be happy.
But if it has a crippling effect on other areas of the squad that also needs addressing, then it is a concerning worry.
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Haha yeah don’t we just. Thankfully we don’t have months of it this year, waiting for football to start up again.
But no I agree, the only factor in pricing is how it then effects our ability to go after other targets. But other than that, I really don’t have a horse in this race, if he’s signed, I’ll just be happy he’s ours, I won’t care that in 3 years time we’ll have to give Dortmund their 5th instalment of £20 million, etc.
If we signed him, and Ole then came out publicly and said that because of the fee, we now cannot sign “x” player, then yeah that’d be frustrating, but that wouldn’t ever happen because whether we like to admit it or not, we do actually have some capable money men running the show
comment by Rage of Reaper (U4088)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 5 minutes ago
Many of us become footballing transfer experts during the off season, don't you know?
Again, if we got Sancho in the end. I'll be happy.
But if it has a crippling effect on other areas of the squad that also needs addressing, then it is a concerning worry.
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Haha yeah don’t we just. Thankfully we don’t have months of it this year, waiting for football to start up again.
But no I agree, the only factor in pricing is how it then effects our ability to go after other targets. But other than that, I really don’t have a horse in this race, if he’s signed, I’ll just be happy he’s ours, I won’t care that in 3 years time we’ll have to give Dortmund their 5th instalment of £20 million, etc.
If we signed him, and Ole then came out publicly and said that because of the fee, we now cannot sign “x” player, then yeah that’d be frustrating, but that wouldn’t ever happen because whether we like to admit it or not, we do actually have some capable money men running the show
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Going by some past dealings concerning our board, i really want to fully agree with you on the 'capable money men running the show' part. Sanchez cough, De Gea cough But hindsight is a wonderful thing lol.
To give the board credit though, aside from the Maguire deal (again due to slight desperations) we had to pay it in the end. The board in more recent transfers has spent more wisely, as well as recouped reasonably well - Lukaku. Heck, even the Bruno deal, the way it was structured was a stroke of genuis. Whoever thought that the word 'genius' and Ed and would appear in the same sentence?!
Although it may not directly hinder this Sancho deal, i'm wondering if the club are also keeping one eye on the possible Sanchez exit to make this Sancho deal a more smoother process. No doubt it will be come in handy if it did.
But yes, i do see your 'shrugged shoulders' POV response to player's costs. Really hoping that we can get in the key targets asap, so we can prepare better for the new season.
Ha yeah it’s a good point, they have been reckless in the past, but like you said, some of those transfers appear much worse in hindsight (for example, I genuinely thought Sanchez was another Cantona/RVP moment for us! Whoops...)
I suppose in terms of wider management though, other than dragging his feet almost constantly, I do get the impression that Woodward is good at protecting our finances, or atleast, the areas of our finance that he can (in terms of the Glazers wealth and is overriding ownership, I can’t imagine he has much say)
I’m with you though, I think we’re banking on Sanchez permanently being off our books, along with Smalling, and some squad guff like Jones and Lingard. Ighalo will be gone soon so there’s someone’s wage there.
My main concern at the moment (potentially hypocritically given my whatever approach to our transfer prices!) is offering a new contract for Pogba, who I imagine is already ridiculously well paid.
So soon after injury, and without even a half year of absolute quality, I worry we’ll give him something daft, and be left with a De Gea situation, wherein he has several years left of mind blowing contract, is playing poorly, and we’re lumbered with him.
I mean really, I don’t care. I just want to see a player like Sancho lining up on the right, so I don’t have to keep watching AWB cut back and pass inside, which ages me a year every time I see it (I’m 280 years old in AWB years)
TBF to Ed, he has shown signs of improvement in trying to be more transfer savvy on some new recruitments.
It has taken a while to shrug off the scattergun cashcow reptutation, but we're slowly getting there. But there will always be times were we will have to pull out all the stops to get our key targets - Sancho.
Doesn't help when we're well known for being one of the most consistent money making machines in the business. But it is what it is. If anything, i do envy Chelsea's transfer strategies (not the loanees situation) but i can't see us ever totally mirroring their strategy like for like. Slightly different business models.
In regards to players' possible contract extensions, we've left ourselves in a vulnerable situation due to some past mistakes. But if there's one possible saving grace, from the club's point of view is that the ripple effect of the pandemic has somewhat caused a stronger hand in the club's favour of holding more of the cards to certain key player's futures. Like Pogba, yes he maybe due a contract talk sometime in the near future, but all parties know that he really must prove himself between now and if both parties extend. Still the chance of Pogba reverting back to Pogba if he signs. Just hoping that we insert some sort of smart a55 clause that gives us a get out of jail card if he falls short.
Would be interesting to see how AWB's game could evolve if we get Sancho. I've been too easy on him when he really should be upping his game. I think i've been distracted by his defensive strengths. Next season he has must improve his attacking side.
Have the days gone where we just wrote a cheque?
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
TBF to Ed, he has shown signs of improvement in trying to be more transfer savvy on some new recruitments.
It has taken a while to shrug off the scattergun cashcow reptutation, but we're slowly getting there. But there will always be times were we will have to pull out all the stops to get our key targets - Sancho.
Doesn't help when we're well known for being one of the most consistent money making machines in the business. But it is what it is. If anything, i do envy Chelsea's transfer strategies (not the loanees situation) but i can't see us ever totally mirroring their strategy like for like. Slightly different business models.
In regards to players' possible contract extensions, we've left ourselves in a vulnerable situation due to some past mistakes. But if there's one possible saving grace, from the club's point of view is that the ripple effect of the pandemic has somewhat caused a stronger hand in the club's favour of holding more of the cards to certain key player's futures. Like Pogba, yes he maybe due a contract talk sometime in the near future, but all parties know that he really must prove himself between now and if both parties extend. Still the chance of Pogba reverting back to Pogba if he signs. Just hoping that we insert some sort of smart a55 clause that gives us a get out of jail card if he falls short.
Would be interesting to see how AWB's game could evolve if we get Sancho. I've been too easy on him when he really should be upping his game. I think i've been distracted by his defensive strengths. Next season he has must improve his attacking side.
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You won't get the perfect player.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
Have the days gone where we just wrote a cheque?
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only because no one takes cheques any more
My garage does for petrol, really. And servicing.
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posted on 30/7/20
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 53 minutes ago
Clearly isn’t true if Matth hasn’t posted it
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He’s ahead of the game mate
Moved on from elementary Sancho deals to imminent Jimenez arrival scoops
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Atleast, that’s what it looked like through all the drool on matth’s laptop screen...
posted on 30/7/20
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
posted on 30/7/20
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 26 minutes ago
Clearly isn’t true if Matth hasn’t posted it
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Matth will be busy cleaning up the stains on his bedroom wall. Not a good vision for sure.
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Using his pug as a sponge
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posted on 30/7/20
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 26 minutes ago
Clearly isn’t true if Matth hasn’t posted it
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Matth will be busy cleaning up the stains on his bedroom wall. Not a good vision for sure.
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Using his pug as a sponge
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Poor dog.
Should call it Jizzon Sancho or current flavour of the month Raul Jizzimess.
posted on 30/7/20
At least buy a dog with a tail that could double as a squeegee if you deflower your bedroom wall on a regular basis.
posted on 30/7/20
Spunkan Ferguson
posted on 30/7/20
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
posted on 30/7/20
Its good of United and Dortmund to consult Fleet Street of every twist and turn of their contract negotiations before it is finalised.
posted on 30/7/20
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
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No.
posted on 30/7/20
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
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Difficult to gauge what 'this market is' and Ake has just gone for £40m.
Looks a good deal on the face of it to me - one of England's most highly rated young players won't come cheap.
posted on 30/7/20
But youd expect to pay less for him post Covid.
posted on 30/7/20
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
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Although it’s all media talk, you would have believed that Dortmund were trying to scrape as much as they could from us at a higher initial payment. I’m not complaining from our POV on the first payment of 60m Euros, it’s just that I’d have thought that Dortmund would have wanted more upfront. Something like perhaps 80-90 million (if the asking price isn’t budged from 120m Euros) And that the rest would be paid in installments etc.
If it is true that this is the structured deal, then I’m happy that Ed has found a worthy compromise. Whichever way, Sancho was always likely to be a huge outlay. But it’s been structured into a more sensible way now. Credit to Ed and the board if true.
posted on 30/7/20
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
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Although it’s all media talk, you would have believed that Dortmund were trying to scrape as much as they could from us at a higher initial payment. I’m not complaining from our POV on the first payment of 60m Euros, it’s just that I’d have thought that Dortmund would have wanted more upfront. Something like perhaps 80-90 million (if the asking price isn’t budged from 120m Euros) And that the rest would be paid in installments etc.
If it is true that this is the structured deal, then I’m happy that Ed has found a worthy compromise. Whichever way, Sancho was always likely to be a huge outlay. But it’s been structured into a more sensible way now. Credit to Ed and the board if true.
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Fair enough, makes sense.
For me he was always going to be around £100m ish. I think I'm thinking more about this than the money up front than the benefits of a smaller upfront payment etc.
Hopefully alot of the other 60m would be performance based. Like Bruno, if he plays well, he's worth the money
posted on 30/7/20
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 59 minutes ago
This deal structure seems too good to be true on our behalf.
Are you sure Ed’s come up with this?
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Why? It's 60m euros up front with another 60m likely on the way over a period of time.
I'd suspect at least 30m of that second 60 will be paid.
Is 90m-120m euros a great deal for Sancho in this market?
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Although it’s all media talk, you would have believed that Dortmund were trying to scrape as much as they could from us at a higher initial payment. I’m not complaining from our POV on the first payment of 60m Euros, it’s just that I’d have thought that Dortmund would have wanted more upfront. Something like perhaps 80-90 million (if the asking price isn’t budged from 120m Euros) And that the rest would be paid in installments etc.
If it is true that this is the structured deal, then I’m happy that Ed has found a worthy compromise. Whichever way, Sancho was always likely to be a huge outlay. But it’s been structured into a more sensible way now. Credit to Ed and the board if true.
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Fair enough, makes sense.
For me he was always going to be around £100m ish. I think I'm thinking more about this than the money up front than the benefits of a smaller upfront payment etc.
Hopefully alot of the other 60m would be performance based. Like Bruno, if he plays well, he's worth the money
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I don't want to sound like a pessimist, but something about this 'only' 60 million Euros upfront seems too low to me personally. As i'm sure that any club who's (un)willing to sell a highly prized key asset would want as much of the value of said player in the first upfront payment. If it still is true, then i'm thinking that due to Sancho's remaining contract length - 2 years is the factor as to why it would be possible to pay 60million first. I'm no football financial transfer expert, but it's just my 2 scents.
I do believe in today's market Sancho is worth around the £90 - £110 million mark. And i'm sure that only just a few months back, there were valuations touted around of £90-£100 million for him. Again, not much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. Maybe Dortmund were just simply trying to squeeze as much as possible for him (£110 million). United are right in not bowing down to Dortmund's full asking price. At least up front anyway.
I would be pleased if we could haggle it down to around the £90-95 million mark with add ons etc.
posted on 30/7/20
I don’t understand why anyone here cares about how much we pay, and how.
He’s worth a) what we’re willing to pay, and b)whatever Dortmund want. Same goes with Maguire.
I don’t care if we spend £150 million outright on him, as long as it leaves us with some cash to improve other areas.
My opinions won’t change our financial trajectory, so it is what it is.
posted on 30/7/20
Many of us become footballing transfer experts during the off season, don't you know?
Again, if we got Sancho in the end. I'll be happy.
But if it has a crippling effect on other areas of the squad that also needs addressing, then it is a concerning worry.
posted on 30/7/20
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 5 minutes ago
Many of us become footballing transfer experts during the off season, don't you know?
Again, if we got Sancho in the end. I'll be happy.
But if it has a crippling effect on other areas of the squad that also needs addressing, then it is a concerning worry.
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Haha yeah don’t we just. Thankfully we don’t have months of it this year, waiting for football to start up again.
But no I agree, the only factor in pricing is how it then effects our ability to go after other targets. But other than that, I really don’t have a horse in this race, if he’s signed, I’ll just be happy he’s ours, I won’t care that in 3 years time we’ll have to give Dortmund their 5th instalment of £20 million, etc.
If we signed him, and Ole then came out publicly and said that because of the fee, we now cannot sign “x” player, then yeah that’d be frustrating, but that wouldn’t ever happen because whether we like to admit it or not, we do actually have some capable money men running the show
posted on 30/7/20
comment by Rage of Reaper (U4088)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 5 minutes ago
Many of us become footballing transfer experts during the off season, don't you know?
Again, if we got Sancho in the end. I'll be happy.
But if it has a crippling effect on other areas of the squad that also needs addressing, then it is a concerning worry.
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Haha yeah don’t we just. Thankfully we don’t have months of it this year, waiting for football to start up again.
But no I agree, the only factor in pricing is how it then effects our ability to go after other targets. But other than that, I really don’t have a horse in this race, if he’s signed, I’ll just be happy he’s ours, I won’t care that in 3 years time we’ll have to give Dortmund their 5th instalment of £20 million, etc.
If we signed him, and Ole then came out publicly and said that because of the fee, we now cannot sign “x” player, then yeah that’d be frustrating, but that wouldn’t ever happen because whether we like to admit it or not, we do actually have some capable money men running the show
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Going by some past dealings concerning our board, i really want to fully agree with you on the 'capable money men running the show' part. Sanchez cough, De Gea cough But hindsight is a wonderful thing lol.
To give the board credit though, aside from the Maguire deal (again due to slight desperations) we had to pay it in the end. The board in more recent transfers has spent more wisely, as well as recouped reasonably well - Lukaku. Heck, even the Bruno deal, the way it was structured was a stroke of genuis. Whoever thought that the word 'genius' and Ed and would appear in the same sentence?!
Although it may not directly hinder this Sancho deal, i'm wondering if the club are also keeping one eye on the possible Sanchez exit to make this Sancho deal a more smoother process. No doubt it will be come in handy if it did.
But yes, i do see your 'shrugged shoulders' POV response to player's costs. Really hoping that we can get in the key targets asap, so we can prepare better for the new season.
posted on 30/7/20
Ha yeah it’s a good point, they have been reckless in the past, but like you said, some of those transfers appear much worse in hindsight (for example, I genuinely thought Sanchez was another Cantona/RVP moment for us! Whoops...)
I suppose in terms of wider management though, other than dragging his feet almost constantly, I do get the impression that Woodward is good at protecting our finances, or atleast, the areas of our finance that he can (in terms of the Glazers wealth and is overriding ownership, I can’t imagine he has much say)
I’m with you though, I think we’re banking on Sanchez permanently being off our books, along with Smalling, and some squad guff like Jones and Lingard. Ighalo will be gone soon so there’s someone’s wage there.
My main concern at the moment (potentially hypocritically given my whatever approach to our transfer prices!) is offering a new contract for Pogba, who I imagine is already ridiculously well paid.
So soon after injury, and without even a half year of absolute quality, I worry we’ll give him something daft, and be left with a De Gea situation, wherein he has several years left of mind blowing contract, is playing poorly, and we’re lumbered with him.
I mean really, I don’t care. I just want to see a player like Sancho lining up on the right, so I don’t have to keep watching AWB cut back and pass inside, which ages me a year every time I see it (I’m 280 years old in AWB years)
posted on 30/7/20
TBF to Ed, he has shown signs of improvement in trying to be more transfer savvy on some new recruitments.
It has taken a while to shrug off the scattergun cashcow reptutation, but we're slowly getting there. But there will always be times were we will have to pull out all the stops to get our key targets - Sancho.
Doesn't help when we're well known for being one of the most consistent money making machines in the business. But it is what it is. If anything, i do envy Chelsea's transfer strategies (not the loanees situation) but i can't see us ever totally mirroring their strategy like for like. Slightly different business models.
In regards to players' possible contract extensions, we've left ourselves in a vulnerable situation due to some past mistakes. But if there's one possible saving grace, from the club's point of view is that the ripple effect of the pandemic has somewhat caused a stronger hand in the club's favour of holding more of the cards to certain key player's futures. Like Pogba, yes he maybe due a contract talk sometime in the near future, but all parties know that he really must prove himself between now and if both parties extend. Still the chance of Pogba reverting back to Pogba if he signs. Just hoping that we insert some sort of smart a55 clause that gives us a get out of jail card if he falls short.
Would be interesting to see how AWB's game could evolve if we get Sancho. I've been too easy on him when he really should be upping his game. I think i've been distracted by his defensive strengths. Next season he has must improve his attacking side.
posted on 30/7/20
Have the days gone where we just wrote a cheque?
posted on 30/7/20
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
TBF to Ed, he has shown signs of improvement in trying to be more transfer savvy on some new recruitments.
It has taken a while to shrug off the scattergun cashcow reptutation, but we're slowly getting there. But there will always be times were we will have to pull out all the stops to get our key targets - Sancho.
Doesn't help when we're well known for being one of the most consistent money making machines in the business. But it is what it is. If anything, i do envy Chelsea's transfer strategies (not the loanees situation) but i can't see us ever totally mirroring their strategy like for like. Slightly different business models.
In regards to players' possible contract extensions, we've left ourselves in a vulnerable situation due to some past mistakes. But if there's one possible saving grace, from the club's point of view is that the ripple effect of the pandemic has somewhat caused a stronger hand in the club's favour of holding more of the cards to certain key player's futures. Like Pogba, yes he maybe due a contract talk sometime in the near future, but all parties know that he really must prove himself between now and if both parties extend. Still the chance of Pogba reverting back to Pogba if he signs. Just hoping that we insert some sort of smart a55 clause that gives us a get out of jail card if he falls short.
Would be interesting to see how AWB's game could evolve if we get Sancho. I've been too easy on him when he really should be upping his game. I think i've been distracted by his defensive strengths. Next season he has must improve his attacking side.
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You won't get the perfect player.
posted on 30/7/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
Have the days gone where we just wrote a cheque?
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only because no one takes cheques any more
posted on 30/7/20
My garage does for petrol, really. And servicing.
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