No WUMS please.
Serious posters only.
Wednesday got off very lightly. Found guilty of cheating but only got a 12 point deduction as they apparently weren't attempting to deceive the Football League. Yes, inventing a company to sell their ground to themselves and lying about the period in which the sale took place, in a manner which just so happened to prevent them from failing FFP, wasn't deliberate or malicious.
Then you see what happened to Wigan. No justice
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 14 minutes ago
Wednesday got off very lightly. Found guilty of cheating but only got a 12 point deduction as they apparently weren't attempting to deceive the Football League. Yes, inventing a company to sell their ground to themselves and lying about the period in which the sale took place, in a manner which just so happened to prevent them from failing FFP, wasn't deliberate or malicious.
Then you see what happened to Wigan. No justice
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Wigan fans should count themselves lucky they still have a club to support.
Too many EPL club admins are willing to jump into bed with chancers who rub a few coins in their face and promise them Premier League football. And the fans are no better, as they happily lap it all up.
Wigan were given every chance to put their act together by the EFL, and they still ended up going into administration. Happily hopping into bed with crook after crook. One of them only owned the club for a week, and the current owner even went as far as betting on the club getting relegated.
It's high time the EFL clamped down. Or else we'll end up having about 5 clubs at Companies House every season.
Next stop. Derby County.
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 14 minutes ago
Wednesday got off very lightly. Found guilty of cheating but only got a 12 point deduction as they apparently weren't attempting to deceive the Football League. Yes, inventing a company to sell their ground to themselves and lying about the period in which the sale took place, in a manner which just so happened to prevent them from failing FFP, wasn't deliberate or malicious.
Then you see what happened to Wigan. No justice
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Wigan fans should count themselves lucky they still have a club to support.
Too many EPL club admins are willing to jump into bed with chancers who rub a few coins in their face and promise them Premier League football. And the fans are no better, as they happily lap it all up.
Wigan were given every chance to put their act together by the EFL, and they still ended up going into administration. Happily hopping into bed with crook after crook. One of them only owned the club for a week, and the current owner even went as far as betting on the club getting relegated.
It's high time the EFL clamped down. Or else we'll end up having about 5 clubs at Companies House every season.
Next stop. Derby County.
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Not arguing. But for Wednesday, who have cheated, whether deliberately (clearly it was) or not, to get the same points deduction, only suspended til next season, as a Wigan club who didn't cheat, is wrong
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 14 minutes ago
Wednesday got off very lightly. Found guilty of cheating but only got a 12 point deduction as they apparently weren't attempting to deceive the Football League. Yes, inventing a company to sell their ground to themselves and lying about the period in which the sale took place, in a manner which just so happened to prevent them from failing FFP, wasn't deliberate or malicious.
Then you see what happened to Wigan. No justice
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Wigan fans should count themselves lucky they still have a club to support.
Too many EPL club admins are willing to jump into bed with chancers who rub a few coins in their face and promise them Premier League football. And the fans are no better, as they happily lap it all up.
Wigan were given every chance to put their act together by the EFL, and they still ended up going into administration. Happily hopping into bed with crook after crook. One of them only owned the club for a week, and the current owner even went as far as betting on the club getting relegated.
It's high time the EFL clamped down. Or else we'll end up having about 5 clubs at Companies House every season.
Next stop. Derby County.
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Not arguing. But for Wednesday, who have cheated, whether deliberately (clearly it was) or not, to get the same points deduction, only suspended til next season, as a Wigan club who didn't cheat, is wrong
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Running your club down to the point of having administrators appointed is infinitely worse, according to many FA's around the world.
All bets are off once a club gets anywhere close to that point. Anything can happen.
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 14 minutes ago
Wednesday got off very lightly. Found guilty of cheating but only got a 12 point deduction as they apparently weren't attempting to deceive the Football League. Yes, inventing a company to sell their ground to themselves and lying about the period in which the sale took place, in a manner which just so happened to prevent them from failing FFP, wasn't deliberate or malicious.
Then you see what happened to Wigan. No justice
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Wigan fans should count themselves lucky they still have a club to support.
Too many EPL club admins are willing to jump into bed with chancers who rub a few coins in their face and promise them Premier League football. And the fans are no better, as they happily lap it all up.
Wigan were given every chance to put their act together by the EFL, and they still ended up going into administration. Happily hopping into bed with crook after crook. One of them only owned the club for a week, and the current owner even went as far as betting on the club getting relegated.
It's high time the EFL clamped down. Or else we'll end up having about 5 clubs at Companies House every season.
Next stop. Derby County.
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Not arguing. But for Wednesday, who have cheated, whether deliberately (clearly it was) or not, to get the same points deduction, only suspended til next season, as a Wigan club who didn't cheat, is wrong
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Running your club down to the point of having administrators appointed is infinitely worse, according to many FA's around the world.
All bets are off once a club gets anywhere close to that point. Anything can happen.
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That isn't what happened with Wigan though, is it? And no, it's still not as bad as blatantly cheating
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
The latest owner brought the administrators in barely a month ago to help him shop the club to yet another chancer. The club can't even honour it's wages as it stands. The fans have been reduced to shaking tins on Twitter to help pay staff.
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 11 minutes ago
The latest owner brought the administrators in barely a month ago to help him shop the club to yet another chancer. The club can't even honour it's wages as it stands. The fans have been reduced to shaking tins on Twitter to help pay staff.
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Yeah but the point is that this isn't due to an extended period of mismanagement. Wigan as an entity were perfectly viable and only came into difficulty when this chancer was given the green light by the substandard EFL to take over. You make it sound like they have been run into the ground over a period of time. They haven't been.
And they haven't deliberately cheated either
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 11 minutes ago
The latest owner brought the administrators in barely a month ago to help him shop the club to yet another chancer. The club can't even honour it's wages as it stands. The fans have been reduced to shaking tins on Twitter to help pay staff.
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Yeah but the point is that this isn't due to an extended period of mismanagement. Wigan as an entity were perfectly viable and only came into difficulty when this chancer was given the green light by the substandard EFL to take over. You make it sound like they have been run into the ground over a period of time. They haven't been.
And they haven't deliberately cheated either
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2 years of mismanagement is more than enough time to run one of the best run clubs into the ground. Especially if you make the same mistake twice over by jumping into bed with rich men who have no history of running a pro football club.
A more or less condensed version of what happened to Bolton and Bury.
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 45 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Yeah. I know us Spurs fans complain about Levy and the way he runs things an awful lot, but I still wouldn't wanted to be owned by a rich Arab throwing money at everything.
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Surely you have to know what winning things feels like to be able to compare
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Your comment only exist in your heads. It's not consistent with reality.
FFP limits what ANY club can spend. And that includes City.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Your comment only exist in your heads. It's not consistent with reality.
FFP limits what ANY club can spend. And that includes City.
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But in reality it doesn’t, as shown in your case.
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Your comment only exist in your heads. It's not consistent with reality.
FFP limits what ANY club can spend. And that includes City.
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But in reality it doesn’t, as shown in your case.
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comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Your comment only exist in your heads. It's not consistent with reality.
FFP limits what ANY club can spend. And that includes City.
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But in reality it doesn’t, as shown in your case.
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So you're more competent than a court with all the facts?
Does mancini really believe City arent financially doped? And forgotten how they got where they are?
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does mancini really believe City arent financially doped? And forgotten how they got where they are?
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Seems so. How absurd.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
Does mancini really believe City arent financially doped? And forgotten how they got where they are?
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We had some initial investments to get to the top of the table. Thereafter, we've been self sustaining.
Not sure what you mean by "doping" exactly. Because if its that easy to "dope" a club, then many others would do it.
I mean even with ffp city still considerably outspend one of the top 2 richest clubs in the world Utd, despite having literally no fans (have they even filled emptihad yet?). work that one out mancini.
other clubs do do it, psg...
I couldnt give a fack tbh, City weren't the first anyway. But lets not pretend here.What the guy said rings true.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
I mean even with ffp city still considerably outspend one of the top 2 richest clubs in the world Utd, despite having literally no fans (have they even filled emptihad yet?). work that one out mancini.
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Fans contribute very little to a club's finance these days. Broadcast money from the PL & CL is the real deal. You get a £100m headstart on others not in the CL for example,
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posted on 1/8/20
No WUMS please.
Serious posters only.
posted on 1/8/20
Wednesday got off very lightly. Found guilty of cheating but only got a 12 point deduction as they apparently weren't attempting to deceive the Football League. Yes, inventing a company to sell their ground to themselves and lying about the period in which the sale took place, in a manner which just so happened to prevent them from failing FFP, wasn't deliberate or malicious.
Then you see what happened to Wigan. No justice
posted on 1/8/20
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 14 minutes ago
Wednesday got off very lightly. Found guilty of cheating but only got a 12 point deduction as they apparently weren't attempting to deceive the Football League. Yes, inventing a company to sell their ground to themselves and lying about the period in which the sale took place, in a manner which just so happened to prevent them from failing FFP, wasn't deliberate or malicious.
Then you see what happened to Wigan. No justice
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wigan fans should count themselves lucky they still have a club to support.
Too many EPL club admins are willing to jump into bed with chancers who rub a few coins in their face and promise them Premier League football. And the fans are no better, as they happily lap it all up.
Wigan were given every chance to put their act together by the EFL, and they still ended up going into administration. Happily hopping into bed with crook after crook. One of them only owned the club for a week, and the current owner even went as far as betting on the club getting relegated.
It's high time the EFL clamped down. Or else we'll end up having about 5 clubs at Companies House every season.
Next stop. Derby County.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 14 minutes ago
Wednesday got off very lightly. Found guilty of cheating but only got a 12 point deduction as they apparently weren't attempting to deceive the Football League. Yes, inventing a company to sell their ground to themselves and lying about the period in which the sale took place, in a manner which just so happened to prevent them from failing FFP, wasn't deliberate or malicious.
Then you see what happened to Wigan. No justice
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wigan fans should count themselves lucky they still have a club to support.
Too many EPL club admins are willing to jump into bed with chancers who rub a few coins in their face and promise them Premier League football. And the fans are no better, as they happily lap it all up.
Wigan were given every chance to put their act together by the EFL, and they still ended up going into administration. Happily hopping into bed with crook after crook. One of them only owned the club for a week, and the current owner even went as far as betting on the club getting relegated.
It's high time the EFL clamped down. Or else we'll end up having about 5 clubs at Companies House every season.
Next stop. Derby County.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not arguing. But for Wednesday, who have cheated, whether deliberately (clearly it was) or not, to get the same points deduction, only suspended til next season, as a Wigan club who didn't cheat, is wrong
posted on 1/8/20
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 14 minutes ago
Wednesday got off very lightly. Found guilty of cheating but only got a 12 point deduction as they apparently weren't attempting to deceive the Football League. Yes, inventing a company to sell their ground to themselves and lying about the period in which the sale took place, in a manner which just so happened to prevent them from failing FFP, wasn't deliberate or malicious.
Then you see what happened to Wigan. No justice
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wigan fans should count themselves lucky they still have a club to support.
Too many EPL club admins are willing to jump into bed with chancers who rub a few coins in their face and promise them Premier League football. And the fans are no better, as they happily lap it all up.
Wigan were given every chance to put their act together by the EFL, and they still ended up going into administration. Happily hopping into bed with crook after crook. One of them only owned the club for a week, and the current owner even went as far as betting on the club getting relegated.
It's high time the EFL clamped down. Or else we'll end up having about 5 clubs at Companies House every season.
Next stop. Derby County.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not arguing. But for Wednesday, who have cheated, whether deliberately (clearly it was) or not, to get the same points deduction, only suspended til next season, as a Wigan club who didn't cheat, is wrong
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Running your club down to the point of having administrators appointed is infinitely worse, according to many FA's around the world.
All bets are off once a club gets anywhere close to that point. Anything can happen.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 14 minutes ago
Wednesday got off very lightly. Found guilty of cheating but only got a 12 point deduction as they apparently weren't attempting to deceive the Football League. Yes, inventing a company to sell their ground to themselves and lying about the period in which the sale took place, in a manner which just so happened to prevent them from failing FFP, wasn't deliberate or malicious.
Then you see what happened to Wigan. No justice
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wigan fans should count themselves lucky they still have a club to support.
Too many EPL club admins are willing to jump into bed with chancers who rub a few coins in their face and promise them Premier League football. And the fans are no better, as they happily lap it all up.
Wigan were given every chance to put their act together by the EFL, and they still ended up going into administration. Happily hopping into bed with crook after crook. One of them only owned the club for a week, and the current owner even went as far as betting on the club getting relegated.
It's high time the EFL clamped down. Or else we'll end up having about 5 clubs at Companies House every season.
Next stop. Derby County.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not arguing. But for Wednesday, who have cheated, whether deliberately (clearly it was) or not, to get the same points deduction, only suspended til next season, as a Wigan club who didn't cheat, is wrong
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Running your club down to the point of having administrators appointed is infinitely worse, according to many FA's around the world.
All bets are off once a club gets anywhere close to that point. Anything can happen.
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That isn't what happened with Wigan though, is it? And no, it's still not as bad as blatantly cheating
posted on 1/8/20
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
posted on 1/8/20
Smeg
posted on 1/8/20
The latest owner brought the administrators in barely a month ago to help him shop the club to yet another chancer. The club can't even honour it's wages as it stands. The fans have been reduced to shaking tins on Twitter to help pay staff.
posted on 1/8/20
^^ Wigan.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 11 minutes ago
The latest owner brought the administrators in barely a month ago to help him shop the club to yet another chancer. The club can't even honour it's wages as it stands. The fans have been reduced to shaking tins on Twitter to help pay staff.
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Yeah but the point is that this isn't due to an extended period of mismanagement. Wigan as an entity were perfectly viable and only came into difficulty when this chancer was given the green light by the substandard EFL to take over. You make it sound like they have been run into the ground over a period of time. They haven't been.
And they haven't deliberately cheated either
posted on 1/8/20
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 11 minutes ago
The latest owner brought the administrators in barely a month ago to help him shop the club to yet another chancer. The club can't even honour it's wages as it stands. The fans have been reduced to shaking tins on Twitter to help pay staff.
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Yeah but the point is that this isn't due to an extended period of mismanagement. Wigan as an entity were perfectly viable and only came into difficulty when this chancer was given the green light by the substandard EFL to take over. You make it sound like they have been run into the ground over a period of time. They haven't been.
And they haven't deliberately cheated either
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2 years of mismanagement is more than enough time to run one of the best run clubs into the ground. Especially if you make the same mistake twice over by jumping into bed with rich men who have no history of running a pro football club.
A more or less condensed version of what happened to Bolton and Bury.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 45 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Yeah. I know us Spurs fans complain about Levy and the way he runs things an awful lot, but I still wouldn't wanted to be owned by a rich Arab throwing money at everything.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Surely you have to know what winning things feels like to be able to compare
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Your comment only exist in your heads. It's not consistent with reality.
FFP limits what ANY club can spend. And that includes City.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Your comment only exist in your heads. It's not consistent with reality.
FFP limits what ANY club can spend. And that includes City.
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But in reality it doesn’t, as shown in your case.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Your comment only exist in your heads. It's not consistent with reality.
FFP limits what ANY club can spend. And that includes City.
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But in reality it doesn’t, as shown in your case.
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posted on 1/8/20
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Smeg and the club levy destroyed (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Managing Man City is like playing championship manager in cheat mode. Yeah you win stuff but it isn’t really satisfying as you know it’s not real.
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Your comment only exist in your heads. It's not consistent with reality.
FFP limits what ANY club can spend. And that includes City.
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But in reality it doesn’t, as shown in your case.
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So you're more competent than a court with all the facts?
posted on 1/8/20
Does mancini really believe City arent financially doped? And forgotten how they got where they are?
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does mancini really believe City arent financially doped? And forgotten how they got where they are?
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Seems so. How absurd.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
Does mancini really believe City arent financially doped? And forgotten how they got where they are?
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We had some initial investments to get to the top of the table. Thereafter, we've been self sustaining.
Not sure what you mean by "doping" exactly. Because if its that easy to "dope" a club, then many others would do it.
posted on 1/8/20
I mean even with ffp city still considerably outspend one of the top 2 richest clubs in the world Utd, despite having literally no fans (have they even filled emptihad yet?). work that one out mancini.
posted on 1/8/20
other clubs do do it, psg...
posted on 1/8/20
I couldnt give a fack tbh, City weren't the first anyway. But lets not pretend here.What the guy said rings true.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
I mean even with ffp city still considerably outspend one of the top 2 richest clubs in the world Utd, despite having literally no fans (have they even filled emptihad yet?). work that one out mancini.
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Fans contribute very little to a club's finance these days. Broadcast money from the PL & CL is the real deal. You get a £100m headstart on others not in the CL for example,
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