Surely last season under Sarri was better?
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Surely last season under Sarri was better?
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Painful for large parts of the season and no feel good factor. We've got a legend in charge, academy players coming through, world class signings on the way and champions league for another season. Regardless of points or where we finished there's no comparison for me
Last season was better in terms of performances and silverware.
This season has been good though for period of transition. Plus it's been great to see some many young players get regular football.
Our last two seasons prove how much we've been in an identity crisis since that noughties team slowly began disbanding.
Nothing against Sarri, I liked him personally, but what he interpreted as his professional identity clashed with what we wanted, Lampard by contrast has embodied it. Thus even with two separate but similar seasons in terms of performance, the feeling of contentment, progression & togetherness is much stronger coming out of one than the other.
Our last two seasons are a great case study for the value of club identity being just as important as on pitch success
If it wasn’t a Chelsea legend managing the club you’d be calling for his head. I don’t get this media loving of a Frank so far. He’s done pretty much what was expected or less. Sarri had a better season
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 seconds ago
If it wasn’t a Chelsea legend managing the club you’d be calling for his head. I don’t get this media loving of a Frank so far. He’s done pretty much what was expected or less. Sarri had a better season
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Nope, the fact this non Chelsea legend (in the example) was trusting academy players would've bought him more favor with us than you realize!
Sarri had the better season. Our football was better, the management better and we were more successful. It's also not as if academy players weren't getting opportunities either. CHO, RLC and Christensen all got plenty of game time.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 seconds ago
If it wasn’t a Chelsea legend managing the club you’d be calling for his head. I don’t get this media loving of a Frank so far. He’s done pretty much what was expected or less. Sarri had a better season
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Nope, the fact this non Chelsea legend (in the example) was trusting academy players would've bought him more favor with us than you realize!
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Werner, Havertz and Ziyech are not being signed to play 2nd fiddle to Mount, Abraham and CHO?
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 seconds ago
If it wasn’t a Chelsea legend managing the club you’d be calling for his head. I don’t get this media loving of a Frank so far. He’s done pretty much what was expected or less. Sarri had a better season
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Nope, the fact this non Chelsea legend (in the example) was trusting academy players would've bought him more favor with us than you realize!
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Mount, Abraham and Tomori were all on loan getting experience. You have just spent a fortune on new players therefore most of the academy won’t play.
Sarri's win percentage was almost 10% higher than Frank Lampard. We finished 3rd, came runners up in the EFL cup final and won the Europa League.
Lampard deserves credit but as does Sarri.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 seconds ago
If it wasn’t a Chelsea legend managing the club you’d be calling for his head. I don’t get this media loving of a Frank so far. He’s done pretty much what was expected or less. Sarri had a better season
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Nope, the fact this non Chelsea legend (in the example) was trusting academy players would've bought him more favor with us than you realize!
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Mount, Abraham and Tomori were all on loan getting experience. You have just spent a fortune on new players therefore most of the academy won’t play.
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But the fact he trusted them at all when other managers wouldn't have even with a transfer ban would've made him instantly different from anything else we'd seen before in the Roman era. Would've shown balls, and frankly from that prospective been even more impressive if he was just the guy who couldn't get Derby promoted to us
Sarri was/is a good manager, but his idea of an identity based on a particular style of football was something we'd seen before & have terrible memories of with Scolari & AVB - unless it held up from day one fans were going to lose faith in it very quickly.
Buying new players to improve is standard practice. Doesn't mean the academy lads won't play necessarily, time will tell.
Lampard deserves credit but as does Sarri.
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Absolutely
Lemme stress I had no problem with Sarri, but many Chelsea fans did & I'm arguing their case - doing my DA thing
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 38 minutes ago
Surely last season under Sarri was better?
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Sarri had the luxury of having arguably our best ever player in his side as well as two transfer windows to bring in any players he needed. It's not a particularly fair comparison.
Let Lampard have at least one active transfer window and then we'll be able to make a better comparison.
Either way I honestly don't think any other manager would have done much better this season given the circumstances which were very far from ideal.
Under Lampard Pulisic has gone from a bit part player at Dortmund to a player that is now being compared to Hazard. And our young players who were in the Championship last season have all played their part in helping us finish top four.
Manc Python is an absolute beeellend, but he’s right that it Lampard wasn’t a legend he’d be getting a lot of shiiiit.
Chelsea have very high standards, and despite the difficulties Chelsea haven’t performed at a high standard this season.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 38 minutes ago
Surely last season under Sarri was better?
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Sarri had the luxury of having arguably our best ever player in his side as well as two transfer windows to bring in any players he needed. It's not a particularly fair comparison.
Let Lampard have at least one active transfer window and then we'll be able to make a better comparison.
Either way I honestly don't think any other manager would have done much better this season given the circumstances which were very far from ideal.
Under Lampard Pulisic has gone from a bit part player at Dortmund to a player that is now being compared to Hazard. And our young players who were in the Championship last season have all played their part in helping us finish top four.
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I agree. The loss of our best player this season was a huge test for Lampard. The lack of a transfer window was problematic, but it's not as if we had no reinforcements to the squad.
Pulisic was major signing for the team. His last season in Germany was disappointing, but up until then he was one of the most exciting prospects in the Bundesliga. He was signed in January, but I'm sure had he been brought to Frank's attention, he would have definitely green lit the signing.
Likewise, we've had a lot of very talented players coming back from loan, all coming back from very successful seasons. James, Tomori, Mount, Zouma and Abraham were all improvements on the players in similar roles during the Sarri season.
Frank has managed this season very well in terms of making use of players he had at his disposal, and keeping the dressing room together. The big test is next season - this season has seen him struggle to find an identity for the squad. Hopefully, with some signings he will find the right mix of players
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Manc Python is an absolute beeellend, but he’s right that it Lampard wasn’t a legend he’d be getting a lot of shiiiit.
Chelsea have very high standards, and despite the difficulties Chelsea haven’t performed at a high standard this season.
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We were getting laughed at before the season started because people thought we'd finish midtable this season after the transfer ban and with Hazard leaving. I think Lampard has done about as well as can be expected this season given the circumstances. Personally I thought we had very little chance of getting top four so I'm delighted we did. Couldn't really ask for much more.
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comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 36 minutes ago
Manc Python is an absolute beeellend, but he’s right that it Lampard wasn’t a legend he’d be getting a lot of shiiiit.
Chelsea have very high standards, and despite the difficulties Chelsea haven’t performed at a high standard this season.
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Maybe from a minority of idiots, but there’s no chance the general Chelsea fanbase would be giving anyone grief for this season’s performance given the circumstances.
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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This caaaant speaking sense. Jesus christ we really are in a new normal
Lampard has done a good job. At start of the season most of us fans were expecting top 6 and a half decent cup run to be a good season,
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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This caaaant speaking sense. Jesus christ we really are in a new normal
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I hope you get coronavirus.
Lampard did a decent job. There are some things that fell in his favour. The Transfer Ban (though they already signed a player before that came into force), the sale of Hazard, and the usage of youth (whether forced out by choice) being something that Chelsea fans have wanted for ages.
I think the selling of Hazard was a good thing. Lampard is an inexperienced coach and could have been undermined as Sarri was. Then there was the lowering of expectations because of that.
Would another coach get as much support? Possibly. But not to the extent of Lampard. If he had finished outside the top 4, there would have been murmers.
And no one saw Arsenal and Tottenham performing as poorly as they did. Many thought both would do better than Chelsea, United, and Leicester.
Also the signings they have made will also excite the fans, so it looks good.
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posted on 1/8/20
Surely last season under Sarri was better?
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Surely last season under Sarri was better?
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Painful for large parts of the season and no feel good factor. We've got a legend in charge, academy players coming through, world class signings on the way and champions league for another season. Regardless of points or where we finished there's no comparison for me
posted on 1/8/20
Last season was better in terms of performances and silverware.
This season has been good though for period of transition. Plus it's been great to see some many young players get regular football.
posted on 1/8/20
Our last two seasons prove how much we've been in an identity crisis since that noughties team slowly began disbanding.
Nothing against Sarri, I liked him personally, but what he interpreted as his professional identity clashed with what we wanted, Lampard by contrast has embodied it. Thus even with two separate but similar seasons in terms of performance, the feeling of contentment, progression & togetherness is much stronger coming out of one than the other.
posted on 1/8/20
Our last two seasons are a great case study for the value of club identity being just as important as on pitch success
posted on 1/8/20
If it wasn’t a Chelsea legend managing the club you’d be calling for his head. I don’t get this media loving of a Frank so far. He’s done pretty much what was expected or less. Sarri had a better season
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 seconds ago
If it wasn’t a Chelsea legend managing the club you’d be calling for his head. I don’t get this media loving of a Frank so far. He’s done pretty much what was expected or less. Sarri had a better season
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Nope, the fact this non Chelsea legend (in the example) was trusting academy players would've bought him more favor with us than you realize!
posted on 1/8/20
Sarri had the better season. Our football was better, the management better and we were more successful. It's also not as if academy players weren't getting opportunities either. CHO, RLC and Christensen all got plenty of game time.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 seconds ago
If it wasn’t a Chelsea legend managing the club you’d be calling for his head. I don’t get this media loving of a Frank so far. He’s done pretty much what was expected or less. Sarri had a better season
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Nope, the fact this non Chelsea legend (in the example) was trusting academy players would've bought him more favor with us than you realize!
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Werner, Havertz and Ziyech are not being signed to play 2nd fiddle to Mount, Abraham and CHO?
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 seconds ago
If it wasn’t a Chelsea legend managing the club you’d be calling for his head. I don’t get this media loving of a Frank so far. He’s done pretty much what was expected or less. Sarri had a better season
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Nope, the fact this non Chelsea legend (in the example) was trusting academy players would've bought him more favor with us than you realize!
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Mount, Abraham and Tomori were all on loan getting experience. You have just spent a fortune on new players therefore most of the academy won’t play.
posted on 1/8/20
Sarri's win percentage was almost 10% higher than Frank Lampard. We finished 3rd, came runners up in the EFL cup final and won the Europa League.
Lampard deserves credit but as does Sarri.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 seconds ago
If it wasn’t a Chelsea legend managing the club you’d be calling for his head. I don’t get this media loving of a Frank so far. He’s done pretty much what was expected or less. Sarri had a better season
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Nope, the fact this non Chelsea legend (in the example) was trusting academy players would've bought him more favor with us than you realize!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mount, Abraham and Tomori were all on loan getting experience. You have just spent a fortune on new players therefore most of the academy won’t play.
----------------------------------------------------------
But the fact he trusted them at all when other managers wouldn't have even with a transfer ban would've made him instantly different from anything else we'd seen before in the Roman era. Would've shown balls, and frankly from that prospective been even more impressive if he was just the guy who couldn't get Derby promoted to us
Sarri was/is a good manager, but his idea of an identity based on a particular style of football was something we'd seen before & have terrible memories of with Scolari & AVB - unless it held up from day one fans were going to lose faith in it very quickly.
Buying new players to improve is standard practice. Doesn't mean the academy lads won't play necessarily, time will tell.
posted on 1/8/20
Lampard deserves credit but as does Sarri.
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Absolutely
Lemme stress I had no problem with Sarri, but many Chelsea fans did & I'm arguing their case - doing my DA thing
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 38 minutes ago
Surely last season under Sarri was better?
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Sarri had the luxury of having arguably our best ever player in his side as well as two transfer windows to bring in any players he needed. It's not a particularly fair comparison.
Let Lampard have at least one active transfer window and then we'll be able to make a better comparison.
Either way I honestly don't think any other manager would have done much better this season given the circumstances which were very far from ideal.
Under Lampard Pulisic has gone from a bit part player at Dortmund to a player that is now being compared to Hazard. And our young players who were in the Championship last season have all played their part in helping us finish top four.
posted on 1/8/20
Manc Python is an absolute beeellend, but he’s right that it Lampard wasn’t a legend he’d be getting a lot of shiiiit.
Chelsea have very high standards, and despite the difficulties Chelsea haven’t performed at a high standard this season.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 38 minutes ago
Surely last season under Sarri was better?
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Sarri had the luxury of having arguably our best ever player in his side as well as two transfer windows to bring in any players he needed. It's not a particularly fair comparison.
Let Lampard have at least one active transfer window and then we'll be able to make a better comparison.
Either way I honestly don't think any other manager would have done much better this season given the circumstances which were very far from ideal.
Under Lampard Pulisic has gone from a bit part player at Dortmund to a player that is now being compared to Hazard. And our young players who were in the Championship last season have all played their part in helping us finish top four.
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I agree. The loss of our best player this season was a huge test for Lampard. The lack of a transfer window was problematic, but it's not as if we had no reinforcements to the squad.
Pulisic was major signing for the team. His last season in Germany was disappointing, but up until then he was one of the most exciting prospects in the Bundesliga. He was signed in January, but I'm sure had he been brought to Frank's attention, he would have definitely green lit the signing.
Likewise, we've had a lot of very talented players coming back from loan, all coming back from very successful seasons. James, Tomori, Mount, Zouma and Abraham were all improvements on the players in similar roles during the Sarri season.
Frank has managed this season very well in terms of making use of players he had at his disposal, and keeping the dressing room together. The big test is next season - this season has seen him struggle to find an identity for the squad. Hopefully, with some signings he will find the right mix of players
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Manc Python is an absolute beeellend, but he’s right that it Lampard wasn’t a legend he’d be getting a lot of shiiiit.
Chelsea have very high standards, and despite the difficulties Chelsea haven’t performed at a high standard this season.
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We were getting laughed at before the season started because people thought we'd finish midtable this season after the transfer ban and with Hazard leaving. I think Lampard has done about as well as can be expected this season given the circumstances. Personally I thought we had very little chance of getting top four so I'm delighted we did. Couldn't really ask for much more.
posted on 1/8/20
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posted on 1/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 36 minutes ago
Manc Python is an absolute beeellend, but he’s right that it Lampard wasn’t a legend he’d be getting a lot of shiiiit.
Chelsea have very high standards, and despite the difficulties Chelsea haven’t performed at a high standard this season.
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Maybe from a minority of idiots, but there’s no chance the general Chelsea fanbase would be giving anyone grief for this season’s performance given the circumstances.
posted on 1/8/20
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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This caaaant speaking sense. Jesus christ we really are in a new normal
posted on 1/8/20
And still in CL 😂
posted on 1/8/20
Lampard has done a good job. At start of the season most of us fans were expecting top 6 and a half decent cup run to be a good season,
posted on 1/8/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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This caaaant speaking sense. Jesus christ we really are in a new normal
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I hope you get coronavirus.
posted on 2/8/20
Lampard did a decent job. There are some things that fell in his favour. The Transfer Ban (though they already signed a player before that came into force), the sale of Hazard, and the usage of youth (whether forced out by choice) being something that Chelsea fans have wanted for ages.
I think the selling of Hazard was a good thing. Lampard is an inexperienced coach and could have been undermined as Sarri was. Then there was the lowering of expectations because of that.
Would another coach get as much support? Possibly. But not to the extent of Lampard. If he had finished outside the top 4, there would have been murmers.
And no one saw Arsenal and Tottenham performing as poorly as they did. Many thought both would do better than Chelsea, United, and Leicester.
Also the signings they have made will also excite the fans, so it looks good.
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