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The media in this country especially Sky News and BBC are basically race baiting 24/7 now.
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If you genuinely believe that, you're a victim of far-right radicalisation.
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I do genuinely believe it. Every single day I am seeing how a black person is being victimised by this or that. Very rarely if ever do I see an argument the other way. The press are supposed to remain impartial are they not?
Best one i saw a few weeks ago was countryfile saying that the countryside is a white environment
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Let's just say for argument's sake that racism objectively exists. Is it the job of news reporters to report the truth, or to report that some people say it exists and others say it doesn't, in order to be 'balanced'? If one person says it's raining and another says it's dry, should the journalist report both arguments or investigate the truth?
Isn't it possible that what you don't like in the news is glimpses of a reality that you would rather believe doesn't exist?
That said, mainstream media including the BBC puts plenty of right-wing commentators, Tories, anti-PC types, on air on a regular basis because they do take very seriously the idea of perceived balance.
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When you have the likes of the idiot athlete accusing the police of racism i would expect someone to come out and back themselves up yes rather than give one side of the story
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On the point about unconscious racism affecting officers' perceptions of the world they are policing, coincidentally read an interview with Danny Rose today:
'He was first stopped by police as a 15-year-old and it was still happening to him at 30. “My friends have been there with me a lot of the time when it’s happened,” he told the Second Captains podcast. “The last time, last week, when I’d just been at my mum’s house, I had pulled up in a car park so the engine was off. The police pulled in and they brought a riot van, three police cars and they questioned me. They said they’d had a report that a car had not been driving correctly.
“So I’m like: ‘OK, so why does that make it my car?’ I got my ID out and they breathalysed me. It’s just one of those things to me now. What can I do? Fifteen years of this on and off the field happening and there’s no change whatsoever.”
Rose described being stopped by police as a regular occurrence. “Each time, it’s: ‘Is this car stolen? Where did you get this car from? What are you doing here? Can you prove that you bought this car?’”'
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I reckon most of that is utter BS. A witch hunt to try and prove there is lots of racism in this country to show police here are also racist.
Some of the stories I have been seeing are truly ridiculous. They stupid athlete who was stopped and cried racism
That black couple in Norfolk who said they were stopped because they were black. No proof whatsoever just there gut feeling..and guess what. These made main stream media headlines. The media in this country especially Sky News and BBC are basically race baiting 24/7 now.
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You'd have to assume that huge numbers of black people are lying (as well as things like official stop and search statistics) to conclude that this doesn't happen. I've read so many accounts by black people about being regularly stopped and questioned while doing nothing in particular. I've never been stopped by a police officer. I struggle to think of any of my white friends who have. It's just not part of everyday white experience, unless you have some other identifying marks (like prison tattoos or the bedraggled appearance of an addict).
I really don't understand why people go to such efforts to deny something that so obviously exists. And the existence of it doesn't mean we're all evil people. Acknowledging these unconscious prejudices is a positive thing, which helps us progress as a society.
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Violent crime is the main reason why stop and search was brought in. Look at the figures in london. Young black males are the main victims and suspects when it comes to violent crime involving weapons. Therefore the police aren't going to then search some 40 odd yr old white man are they. The media conveniently always miss out this very important point
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My brother is a copper. He said that he and his colleagues do tend to stop more vehicles driven by BAME. Because they tend to yield more crimes, which helps with the statistics.
Its not rocket science. If a certain demographic is more likely to help improve/massage the police figures, then that is who those in charge will tell their staff to target.
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 52 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 seconds ago
On the point about unconscious racism affecting officers' perceptions of the world they are policing, coincidentally read an interview with Danny Rose today:
'He was first stopped by police as a 15-year-old and it was still happening to him at 30. “My friends have been there with me a lot of the time when it’s happened,” he told the Second Captains podcast. “The last time, last week, when I’d just been at my mum’s house, I had pulled up in a car park so the engine was off. The police pulled in and they brought a riot van, three police cars and they questioned me. They said they’d had a report that a car had not been driving correctly.
“So I’m like: ‘OK, so why does that make it my car?’ I got my ID out and they breathalysed me. It’s just one of those things to me now. What can I do? Fifteen years of this on and off the field happening and there’s no change whatsoever.”
Rose described being stopped by police as a regular occurrence. “Each time, it’s: ‘Is this car stolen? Where did you get this car from? What are you doing here? Can you prove that you bought this car?’”'
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I reckon most of that is utter BS. A witch hunt to try and prove there is lots of racism in this country to show police here are also racist.
Some of the stories I have been seeing are truly ridiculous. They stupid athlete who was stopped and cried racism
That black couple in Norfolk who said they were stopped because they were black. No proof whatsoever just there gut feeling..and guess what. These made main stream media headlines. The media in this country especially Sky News and BBC are basically race baiting 24/7 now.
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You'd have to assume that huge numbers of black people are lying (as well as things like official stop and search statistics) to conclude that this doesn't happen. I've read so many accounts by black people about being regularly stopped and questioned while doing nothing in particular. I've never been stopped by a police officer. I struggle to think of any of my white friends who have. It's just not part of everyday white experience, unless you have some other identifying marks (like prison tattoos or the bedraggled appearance of an addict).
I really don't understand why people go to such efforts to deny something that so obviously exists. And the existence of it doesn't mean we're all evil people. Acknowledging these unconscious prejudices is a positive thing, which helps us progress as a society.
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Violent crime is the main reason why stop and search was brought in. Look at the figures in london. Young black males are the main victims and suspects when it comes to violent crime involving weapons. Therefore the police aren't going to then search some 40 odd yr old white man are they. The media conveniently always miss out this very important point
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My brother is a copper. He said that he and his colleagues do tend to stop more vehicles driven by BAME. Because they tend to yield more crimes, which helps with the statistics.
Its not rocket science. If a certain demographic is more likely to help improve/massage the police figures, then that is who those in charge will tell their staff to target.
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Hang on. How if they are more likely to be committing crimes is it massaging the figures
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 seconds ago
On the point about unconscious racism affecting officers' perceptions of the world they are policing, coincidentally read an interview with Danny Rose today:
'He was first stopped by police as a 15-year-old and it was still happening to him at 30. “My friends have been there with me a lot of the time when it’s happened,” he told the Second Captains podcast. “The last time, last week, when I’d just been at my mum’s house, I had pulled up in a car park so the engine was off. The police pulled in and they brought a riot van, three police cars and they questioned me. They said they’d had a report that a car had not been driving correctly.
“So I’m like: ‘OK, so why does that make it my car?’ I got my ID out and they breathalysed me. It’s just one of those things to me now. What can I do? Fifteen years of this on and off the field happening and there’s no change whatsoever.”
Rose described being stopped by police as a regular occurrence. “Each time, it’s: ‘Is this car stolen? Where did you get this car from? What are you doing here? Can you prove that you bought this car?’”'
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I reckon most of that is utter BS. A witch hunt to try and prove there is lots of racism in this country to show police here are also racist.
Some of the stories I have been seeing are truly ridiculous. They stupid athlete who was stopped and cried racism
That black couple in Norfolk who said they were stopped because they were black. No proof whatsoever just there gut feeling..and guess what. These made main stream media headlines. The media in this country especially Sky News and BBC are basically race baiting 24/7 now.
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You'd have to assume that huge numbers of black people are lying (as well as things like official stop and search statistics) to conclude that this doesn't happen. I've read so many accounts by black people about being regularly stopped and questioned while doing nothing in particular. I've never been stopped by a police officer. I struggle to think of any of my white friends who have. It's just not part of everyday white experience, unless you have some other identifying marks (like prison tattoos or the bedraggled appearance of an addict).
I really don't understand why people go to such efforts to deny something that so obviously exists. And the existence of it doesn't mean we're all evil people. Acknowledging these unconscious prejudices is a positive thing, which helps us progress as a society.
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Violent crime is the main reason why stop and search was brought in. Look at the figures in london. Young black males are the main victims and suspects when it comes to violent crime involving weapons. Therefore the police aren't going to then search some 40 odd yr old white man are they. The media conveniently always miss out this very important point
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My brother is a copper. He said that he and his colleagues do tend to stop more vehicles driven by BAME. Because they tend to yield more crimes, which helps with the statistics.
Its not rocket science. If a certain demographic is more likely to help improve/massage the police figures, then that is who those in charge will tell their staff to target.
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Hang on. How if they are more likely to be committing crimes is it massaging the figures
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I just put that in there as not to upset the SNOWFLAKES.
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time to build the moat
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That wasn't even Raoul Moatly funny.
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Draft moat design to keep out foreigners below. We will be protected on all coasts.
https://ibb.co/wzFy10Y
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Draft moat design to keep out foreigners below. We will be protected on all coasts.
https://ibb.co/wzFy10Y
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With that sort of genius behind you, I think there’s a job for you over the pond in Washington, or mar a logo (depending if HE is golfing). You could make a packet.
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Exactly. Cops go into every situation believing guns are present. Therefore take a 'safety first' approach.
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I do find it very strange that a certain kind of American ideology happily applies the precautionary approach around shooting to kill when the possibility that a citizen may be dangerous, but demands almost impossible burdens of evidence when a risk of infection or environmental damage impinges on economic or personal freedoms. So you have cases such as a little child shot while playing with a toy gun and apparently fully grown men losing their sheet about Dunkin Donuts asking them to wear a mask for the protection of their staff and customers.
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I still can't get my head around the fact that they believe guns make everybody safer. Like when Trump said if everybody had guns, mass shootings wouldn't happen.
im surprised their fire service isnt privatised
The gun fan club generally speaking are the same morons that back trump, go to church and are racist s
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The gun fan club generally speaking are the same morons that back trump, go to church and are racists
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The wacko right wing Christian nutcases?
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The gun fan club generally speaking are the same morons that back trump, go to church and are racists
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The wacko right wing Christian nutcases?
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Yep, most dangerous people in America by a huge distance.
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"Chauvin likely knew of the scientific research indicating that prone restraint is not excessively dangerous to the suspect’s cardiovascular health"
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Seconded.
“45 lbs is definitively insufficient to restrict breathing or blood-flow in the neck.“
That is also categorically untrue.
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right so a study by a university should be discredited because you say so, noted
you are thinking of direct pressure on a specific point, the purpose of a double knee restraint is to spread that pressure over a large surface area.
its akin to the pain of standing on a pin, where its focussed on a solitary point in a small area.
a single knee is a far more direct PSI pressure but a double spreads that pressure out over a much larger area.
But again, I would trust the academics on this rather than you tbh
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I’ll take the advice of probably the world’s leading expert on asphyxial forensic pathology and author of the ubiquitous textbook, the Handbook of Forensic Pathology, Vincent Di Maio MD, thanks.
Or John Parkes, who has spent half his career researching restraint and positional asphyxia.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1258/rsmmsl.48.2.137
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254190062_A_review_of_the_literature_on_positional_asphyxia_as_a_possible_cause_of_sudden_death_during_restraint
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did you even read the summaries of what you sent?
"There is literature to suggest that deaths that occur in circumstances involving restraint may be related to certain positions, but early research has been contested. This article presents a balanced review of the literature and findings and concludes that the evidence remains unclear."
inconclusive proof and unclear evidence yet you spout it like fact?
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"Chauvin likely knew of the scientific research indicating that prone restraint is not excessively dangerous to the suspect’s cardiovascular health"
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Seconded.
“45 lbs is definitively insufficient to restrict breathing or blood-flow in the neck.“
That is also categorically untrue.
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right so a study by a university should be discredited because you say so, noted
you are thinking of direct pressure on a specific point, the purpose of a double knee restraint is to spread that pressure over a large surface area.
its akin to the pain of standing on a pin, where its focussed on a solitary point in a small area.
a single knee is a far more direct PSI pressure but a double spreads that pressure out over a much larger area.
But again, I would trust the academics on this rather than you tbh
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I’ll take the advice of probably the world’s leading expert on asphyxial forensic pathology and author of the ubiquitous textbook, the Handbook of Forensic Pathology, Vincent Di Maio MD, thanks.
Or John Parkes, who has spent half his career researching restraint and positional asphyxia.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1258/rsmmsl.48.2.137
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254190062_A_review_of_the_literature_on_positional_asphyxia_as_a_possible_cause_of_sudden_death_during_restraint
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I enjoyed this.
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did you even read the summaries of what you sent?
"There is literature to suggest that deaths that occur in circumstances involving restraint may be related to certain positions, but early research has been contested. This article presents a balanced review of the literature and findings and concludes that the evidence remains unclear."
inconclusive proof and unclear evidence yet you spout it like fact?
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Nice work
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posted 7 minutes ago
"Chauvin likely knew of the scientific research indicating that prone restraint is not excessively dangerous to the suspect’s cardiovascular health"
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Seconded.
“45 lbs is definitively insufficient to restrict breathing or blood-flow in the neck.“
That is also categorically untrue.
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right so a study by a university should be discredited because you say so, noted
you are thinking of direct pressure on a specific point, the purpose of a double knee restraint is to spread that pressure over a large surface area.
its akin to the pain of standing on a pin, where its focussed on a solitary point in a small area.
a single knee is a far more direct PSI pressure but a double spreads that pressure out over a much larger area.
But again, I would trust the academics on this rather than you tbh
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I’ll take the advice of probably the world’s leading expert on asphyxial forensic pathology and author of the ubiquitous textbook, the Handbook of Forensic Pathology, Vincent Di Maio MD, thanks.
Or John Parkes, who has spent half his career researching restraint and positional asphyxia.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1258/rsmmsl.48.2.137
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254190062_A_review_of_the_literature_on_positional_asphyxia_as_a_possible_cause_of_sudden_death_during_restraint
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I enjoyed this.
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did you even read the summaries of what you sent?
"There is literature to suggest that deaths that occur in circumstances involving restraint may be related to certain positions, but early research has been contested. This article presents a balanced review of the literature and findings and concludes that the evidence remains unclear."
inconclusive proof and unclear evidence yet you spout it like fact?
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I read the paper.
If you read the paper you’ll find that the literature doesn’t contest that unsurprisingly there are mortal risks associated with the application of pressure to the neck.
Look at Minnesota PD’s own facking data.
right but go back to your original point on this topic.
you were crystal clear in dismissing the evidence because and the studies because only 11lbs of pressure is needed to crush the jugular.
when it was explained to you the difference in direct pressure and pressure spread out over a large surface area you then flipped to now showing me studies that there may be a link but research is contested and evidence unclear.
not quite the open and shut case you made earlier
Here’s a question, Jim:
Given a situation in which you have four able policing professionals trained in pacifying violent offenders, do you believe it to be morally acceptable or justifiable for one of those men to kneel on the neck of an unarmed man who repeatedly states that he cannot breathe until that man is dead?
Yes or no.
What we saw was an act of pure barbarism - no more, no less - damaging to trust in policing, public safety and the very fabric of American society. The way thousands of police officers across the US have unreservedly condemned in the strongest possible terms the behaviour of those of their colleagues involved in the killing of George Floyd speaks volumes in itself.
If the US legal system is fit for purpose - and I believe it is - we’ll see Chauvin convicted of a criminal offence at some level and serving time. Whether it can be proved that his actions led directly to Floyd’s death or not, his actions that day were an inexcusable disgrace, and police brutality cannot be tolerated.
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Here’s a question, Jim:
Given a situation in which you have four able policing professionals trained in pacifying violent offenders, do you believe it to be morally acceptable or justifiable for one of those men to kneel on the neck of an unarmed man who repeatedly states that he cannot breathe until that man is dead?
Yes or no.
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I think it’s that plus that he was handcuffed wasn’t he? I mean what can someone really do against even one cop when handcuffed? Bruce Lee maybe could do something
The practice is clearly wrong when handcuffed.
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comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Here’s a question, Jim:
Given a situation in which you have four able policing professionals trained in pacifying violent offenders, do you believe it to be morally acceptable or justifiable for one of those men to kneel on the neck of an unarmed man who repeatedly states that he cannot breathe until that man is dead?
Yes or no.
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I think it’s that plus that he was handcuffed wasn’t he? I mean what can someone really do against even one cop when handcuffed? Bruce Lee maybe could do something
The practice is clearly wrong when handcuffed.
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a man who was saying he couldn't breathe from the very beginning?
who they Cleary identified as suffering from ExDS?
who tried to secure him in their patrol car and failed and which given their training tells them to put him in a restraint that will secure him until emergency services can tend to his obvious ExDS situation?
there is a reason they are trained that way to deal with ExDS, do a bit of research on that and see what you find.
but let me ask you this question, if they don't restrain him and he breaks free, flees into the road causes a car to swerve which then plows head on into another killing innocent victims, would you then be saying they should of used whatever force necessary to restrain him.
and lets ignore the fact he was high as a kite with an amount of fentanyl in his system over the accepted OD limit.
and to Sat Nav about bruce Lee, again I redirect you to read to about ExDS...studies have shown the sheer adrenaline coursing through their systems can make even average men super strong let alone a man George Floyds size.
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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The media in this country especially Sky News and BBC are basically race baiting 24/7 now.
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If you genuinely believe that, you're a victim of far-right radicalisation.
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I do genuinely believe it. Every single day I am seeing how a black person is being victimised by this or that. Very rarely if ever do I see an argument the other way. The press are supposed to remain impartial are they not?
Best one i saw a few weeks ago was countryfile saying that the countryside is a white environment
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Let's just say for argument's sake that racism objectively exists. Is it the job of news reporters to report the truth, or to report that some people say it exists and others say it doesn't, in order to be 'balanced'? If one person says it's raining and another says it's dry, should the journalist report both arguments or investigate the truth?
Isn't it possible that what you don't like in the news is glimpses of a reality that you would rather believe doesn't exist?
That said, mainstream media including the BBC puts plenty of right-wing commentators, Tories, anti-PC types, on air on a regular basis because they do take very seriously the idea of perceived balance.
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When you have the likes of the idiot athlete accusing the police of racism i would expect someone to come out and back themselves up yes rather than give one side of the story
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 seconds ago
On the point about unconscious racism affecting officers' perceptions of the world they are policing, coincidentally read an interview with Danny Rose today:
'He was first stopped by police as a 15-year-old and it was still happening to him at 30. “My friends have been there with me a lot of the time when it’s happened,” he told the Second Captains podcast. “The last time, last week, when I’d just been at my mum’s house, I had pulled up in a car park so the engine was off. The police pulled in and they brought a riot van, three police cars and they questioned me. They said they’d had a report that a car had not been driving correctly.
“So I’m like: ‘OK, so why does that make it my car?’ I got my ID out and they breathalysed me. It’s just one of those things to me now. What can I do? Fifteen years of this on and off the field happening and there’s no change whatsoever.”
Rose described being stopped by police as a regular occurrence. “Each time, it’s: ‘Is this car stolen? Where did you get this car from? What are you doing here? Can you prove that you bought this car?’”'
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I reckon most of that is utter BS. A witch hunt to try and prove there is lots of racism in this country to show police here are also racist.
Some of the stories I have been seeing are truly ridiculous. They stupid athlete who was stopped and cried racism
That black couple in Norfolk who said they were stopped because they were black. No proof whatsoever just there gut feeling..and guess what. These made main stream media headlines. The media in this country especially Sky News and BBC are basically race baiting 24/7 now.
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You'd have to assume that huge numbers of black people are lying (as well as things like official stop and search statistics) to conclude that this doesn't happen. I've read so many accounts by black people about being regularly stopped and questioned while doing nothing in particular. I've never been stopped by a police officer. I struggle to think of any of my white friends who have. It's just not part of everyday white experience, unless you have some other identifying marks (like prison tattoos or the bedraggled appearance of an addict).
I really don't understand why people go to such efforts to deny something that so obviously exists. And the existence of it doesn't mean we're all evil people. Acknowledging these unconscious prejudices is a positive thing, which helps us progress as a society.
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Violent crime is the main reason why stop and search was brought in. Look at the figures in london. Young black males are the main victims and suspects when it comes to violent crime involving weapons. Therefore the police aren't going to then search some 40 odd yr old white man are they. The media conveniently always miss out this very important point
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My brother is a copper. He said that he and his colleagues do tend to stop more vehicles driven by BAME. Because they tend to yield more crimes, which helps with the statistics.
Its not rocket science. If a certain demographic is more likely to help improve/massage the police figures, then that is who those in charge will tell their staff to target.
posted on 4/8/20
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 52 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 seconds ago
On the point about unconscious racism affecting officers' perceptions of the world they are policing, coincidentally read an interview with Danny Rose today:
'He was first stopped by police as a 15-year-old and it was still happening to him at 30. “My friends have been there with me a lot of the time when it’s happened,” he told the Second Captains podcast. “The last time, last week, when I’d just been at my mum’s house, I had pulled up in a car park so the engine was off. The police pulled in and they brought a riot van, three police cars and they questioned me. They said they’d had a report that a car had not been driving correctly.
“So I’m like: ‘OK, so why does that make it my car?’ I got my ID out and they breathalysed me. It’s just one of those things to me now. What can I do? Fifteen years of this on and off the field happening and there’s no change whatsoever.”
Rose described being stopped by police as a regular occurrence. “Each time, it’s: ‘Is this car stolen? Where did you get this car from? What are you doing here? Can you prove that you bought this car?’”'
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I reckon most of that is utter BS. A witch hunt to try and prove there is lots of racism in this country to show police here are also racist.
Some of the stories I have been seeing are truly ridiculous. They stupid athlete who was stopped and cried racism
That black couple in Norfolk who said they were stopped because they were black. No proof whatsoever just there gut feeling..and guess what. These made main stream media headlines. The media in this country especially Sky News and BBC are basically race baiting 24/7 now.
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You'd have to assume that huge numbers of black people are lying (as well as things like official stop and search statistics) to conclude that this doesn't happen. I've read so many accounts by black people about being regularly stopped and questioned while doing nothing in particular. I've never been stopped by a police officer. I struggle to think of any of my white friends who have. It's just not part of everyday white experience, unless you have some other identifying marks (like prison tattoos or the bedraggled appearance of an addict).
I really don't understand why people go to such efforts to deny something that so obviously exists. And the existence of it doesn't mean we're all evil people. Acknowledging these unconscious prejudices is a positive thing, which helps us progress as a society.
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Violent crime is the main reason why stop and search was brought in. Look at the figures in london. Young black males are the main victims and suspects when it comes to violent crime involving weapons. Therefore the police aren't going to then search some 40 odd yr old white man are they. The media conveniently always miss out this very important point
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My brother is a copper. He said that he and his colleagues do tend to stop more vehicles driven by BAME. Because they tend to yield more crimes, which helps with the statistics.
Its not rocket science. If a certain demographic is more likely to help improve/massage the police figures, then that is who those in charge will tell their staff to target.
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Hang on. How if they are more likely to be committing crimes is it massaging the figures
posted on 4/8/20
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On the point about unconscious racism affecting officers' perceptions of the world they are policing, coincidentally read an interview with Danny Rose today:
'He was first stopped by police as a 15-year-old and it was still happening to him at 30. “My friends have been there with me a lot of the time when it’s happened,” he told the Second Captains podcast. “The last time, last week, when I’d just been at my mum’s house, I had pulled up in a car park so the engine was off. The police pulled in and they brought a riot van, three police cars and they questioned me. They said they’d had a report that a car had not been driving correctly.
“So I’m like: ‘OK, so why does that make it my car?’ I got my ID out and they breathalysed me. It’s just one of those things to me now. What can I do? Fifteen years of this on and off the field happening and there’s no change whatsoever.”
Rose described being stopped by police as a regular occurrence. “Each time, it’s: ‘Is this car stolen? Where did you get this car from? What are you doing here? Can you prove that you bought this car?’”'
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I reckon most of that is utter BS. A witch hunt to try and prove there is lots of racism in this country to show police here are also racist.
Some of the stories I have been seeing are truly ridiculous. They stupid athlete who was stopped and cried racism
That black couple in Norfolk who said they were stopped because they were black. No proof whatsoever just there gut feeling..and guess what. These made main stream media headlines. The media in this country especially Sky News and BBC are basically race baiting 24/7 now.
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You'd have to assume that huge numbers of black people are lying (as well as things like official stop and search statistics) to conclude that this doesn't happen. I've read so many accounts by black people about being regularly stopped and questioned while doing nothing in particular. I've never been stopped by a police officer. I struggle to think of any of my white friends who have. It's just not part of everyday white experience, unless you have some other identifying marks (like prison tattoos or the bedraggled appearance of an addict).
I really don't understand why people go to such efforts to deny something that so obviously exists. And the existence of it doesn't mean we're all evil people. Acknowledging these unconscious prejudices is a positive thing, which helps us progress as a society.
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Violent crime is the main reason why stop and search was brought in. Look at the figures in london. Young black males are the main victims and suspects when it comes to violent crime involving weapons. Therefore the police aren't going to then search some 40 odd yr old white man are they. The media conveniently always miss out this very important point
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My brother is a copper. He said that he and his colleagues do tend to stop more vehicles driven by BAME. Because they tend to yield more crimes, which helps with the statistics.
Its not rocket science. If a certain demographic is more likely to help improve/massage the police figures, then that is who those in charge will tell their staff to target.
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Hang on. How if they are more likely to be committing crimes is it massaging the figures
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I just put that in there as not to upset the SNOWFLAKES.
posted on 4/8/20
time to build the moat
posted on 4/8/20
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time to build the moat
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That wasn't even Raoul Moatly funny.
posted on 4/8/20
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Draft moat design to keep out foreigners below. We will be protected on all coasts.
https://ibb.co/wzFy10Y
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comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
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Draft moat design to keep out foreigners below. We will be protected on all coasts.
https://ibb.co/wzFy10Y
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With that sort of genius behind you, I think there’s a job for you over the pond in Washington, or mar a logo (depending if HE is golfing). You could make a packet.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Exactly. Cops go into every situation believing guns are present. Therefore take a 'safety first' approach.
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I do find it very strange that a certain kind of American ideology happily applies the precautionary approach around shooting to kill when the possibility that a citizen may be dangerous, but demands almost impossible burdens of evidence when a risk of infection or environmental damage impinges on economic or personal freedoms. So you have cases such as a little child shot while playing with a toy gun and apparently fully grown men losing their sheet about Dunkin Donuts asking them to wear a mask for the protection of their staff and customers.
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I still can't get my head around the fact that they believe guns make everybody safer. Like when Trump said if everybody had guns, mass shootings wouldn't happen.
posted on 4/8/20
im surprised their fire service isnt privatised
posted on 4/8/20
The gun fan club generally speaking are the same morons that back trump, go to church and are racist s
posted on 4/8/20
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The gun fan club generally speaking are the same morons that back trump, go to church and are racists
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The wacko right wing Christian nutcases?
posted on 4/8/20
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comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
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The gun fan club generally speaking are the same morons that back trump, go to church and are racists
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The wacko right wing Christian nutcases?
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Yep, most dangerous people in America by a huge distance.
posted on 4/8/20
M A G A !
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"Chauvin likely knew of the scientific research indicating that prone restraint is not excessively dangerous to the suspect’s cardiovascular health"
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Seconded.
“45 lbs is definitively insufficient to restrict breathing or blood-flow in the neck.“
That is also categorically untrue.
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right so a study by a university should be discredited because you say so, noted
you are thinking of direct pressure on a specific point, the purpose of a double knee restraint is to spread that pressure over a large surface area.
its akin to the pain of standing on a pin, where its focussed on a solitary point in a small area.
a single knee is a far more direct PSI pressure but a double spreads that pressure out over a much larger area.
But again, I would trust the academics on this rather than you tbh
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I’ll take the advice of probably the world’s leading expert on asphyxial forensic pathology and author of the ubiquitous textbook, the Handbook of Forensic Pathology, Vincent Di Maio MD, thanks.
Or John Parkes, who has spent half his career researching restraint and positional asphyxia.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1258/rsmmsl.48.2.137
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254190062_A_review_of_the_literature_on_positional_asphyxia_as_a_possible_cause_of_sudden_death_during_restraint
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I enjoyed this.
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did you even read the summaries of what you sent?
"There is literature to suggest that deaths that occur in circumstances involving restraint may be related to certain positions, but early research has been contested. This article presents a balanced review of the literature and findings and concludes that the evidence remains unclear."
inconclusive proof and unclear evidence yet you spout it like fact?
posted on 4/8/20
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"Chauvin likely knew of the scientific research indicating that prone restraint is not excessively dangerous to the suspect’s cardiovascular health"
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Seconded.
“45 lbs is definitively insufficient to restrict breathing or blood-flow in the neck.“
That is also categorically untrue.
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right so a study by a university should be discredited because you say so, noted
you are thinking of direct pressure on a specific point, the purpose of a double knee restraint is to spread that pressure over a large surface area.
its akin to the pain of standing on a pin, where its focussed on a solitary point in a small area.
a single knee is a far more direct PSI pressure but a double spreads that pressure out over a much larger area.
But again, I would trust the academics on this rather than you tbh
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I’ll take the advice of probably the world’s leading expert on asphyxial forensic pathology and author of the ubiquitous textbook, the Handbook of Forensic Pathology, Vincent Di Maio MD, thanks.
Or John Parkes, who has spent half his career researching restraint and positional asphyxia.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1258/rsmmsl.48.2.137
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254190062_A_review_of_the_literature_on_positional_asphyxia_as_a_possible_cause_of_sudden_death_during_restraint
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I enjoyed this.
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did you even read the summaries of what you sent?
"There is literature to suggest that deaths that occur in circumstances involving restraint may be related to certain positions, but early research has been contested. This article presents a balanced review of the literature and findings and concludes that the evidence remains unclear."
inconclusive proof and unclear evidence yet you spout it like fact?
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Nice work
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comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
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comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
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"Chauvin likely knew of the scientific research indicating that prone restraint is not excessively dangerous to the suspect’s cardiovascular health"
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Seconded.
“45 lbs is definitively insufficient to restrict breathing or blood-flow in the neck.“
That is also categorically untrue.
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right so a study by a university should be discredited because you say so, noted
you are thinking of direct pressure on a specific point, the purpose of a double knee restraint is to spread that pressure over a large surface area.
its akin to the pain of standing on a pin, where its focussed on a solitary point in a small area.
a single knee is a far more direct PSI pressure but a double spreads that pressure out over a much larger area.
But again, I would trust the academics on this rather than you tbh
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I’ll take the advice of probably the world’s leading expert on asphyxial forensic pathology and author of the ubiquitous textbook, the Handbook of Forensic Pathology, Vincent Di Maio MD, thanks.
Or John Parkes, who has spent half his career researching restraint and positional asphyxia.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1258/rsmmsl.48.2.137
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254190062_A_review_of_the_literature_on_positional_asphyxia_as_a_possible_cause_of_sudden_death_during_restraint
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I enjoyed this.
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did you even read the summaries of what you sent?
"There is literature to suggest that deaths that occur in circumstances involving restraint may be related to certain positions, but early research has been contested. This article presents a balanced review of the literature and findings and concludes that the evidence remains unclear."
inconclusive proof and unclear evidence yet you spout it like fact?
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I read the paper.
If you read the paper you’ll find that the literature doesn’t contest that unsurprisingly there are mortal risks associated with the application of pressure to the neck.
Look at Minnesota PD’s own facking data.
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right but go back to your original point on this topic.
you were crystal clear in dismissing the evidence because and the studies because only 11lbs of pressure is needed to crush the jugular.
when it was explained to you the difference in direct pressure and pressure spread out over a large surface area you then flipped to now showing me studies that there may be a link but research is contested and evidence unclear.
not quite the open and shut case you made earlier
posted on 4/8/20
Here’s a question, Jim:
Given a situation in which you have four able policing professionals trained in pacifying violent offenders, do you believe it to be morally acceptable or justifiable for one of those men to kneel on the neck of an unarmed man who repeatedly states that he cannot breathe until that man is dead?
Yes or no.
posted on 4/8/20
What we saw was an act of pure barbarism - no more, no less - damaging to trust in policing, public safety and the very fabric of American society. The way thousands of police officers across the US have unreservedly condemned in the strongest possible terms the behaviour of those of their colleagues involved in the killing of George Floyd speaks volumes in itself.
If the US legal system is fit for purpose - and I believe it is - we’ll see Chauvin convicted of a criminal offence at some level and serving time. Whether it can be proved that his actions led directly to Floyd’s death or not, his actions that day were an inexcusable disgrace, and police brutality cannot be tolerated.
posted on 4/8/20
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Here’s a question, Jim:
Given a situation in which you have four able policing professionals trained in pacifying violent offenders, do you believe it to be morally acceptable or justifiable for one of those men to kneel on the neck of an unarmed man who repeatedly states that he cannot breathe until that man is dead?
Yes or no.
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I think it’s that plus that he was handcuffed wasn’t he? I mean what can someone really do against even one cop when handcuffed? Bruce Lee maybe could do something
The practice is clearly wrong when handcuffed.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Here’s a question, Jim:
Given a situation in which you have four able policing professionals trained in pacifying violent offenders, do you believe it to be morally acceptable or justifiable for one of those men to kneel on the neck of an unarmed man who repeatedly states that he cannot breathe until that man is dead?
Yes or no.
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I think it’s that plus that he was handcuffed wasn’t he? I mean what can someone really do against even one cop when handcuffed? Bruce Lee maybe could do something
The practice is clearly wrong when handcuffed.
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a man who was saying he couldn't breathe from the very beginning?
who they Cleary identified as suffering from ExDS?
who tried to secure him in their patrol car and failed and which given their training tells them to put him in a restraint that will secure him until emergency services can tend to his obvious ExDS situation?
there is a reason they are trained that way to deal with ExDS, do a bit of research on that and see what you find.
but let me ask you this question, if they don't restrain him and he breaks free, flees into the road causes a car to swerve which then plows head on into another killing innocent victims, would you then be saying they should of used whatever force necessary to restrain him.
and lets ignore the fact he was high as a kite with an amount of fentanyl in his system over the accepted OD limit.
and to Sat Nav about bruce Lee, again I redirect you to read to about ExDS...studies have shown the sheer adrenaline coursing through their systems can make even average men super strong let alone a man George Floyds size.
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