Needs to work seriously hard this summer and get fit. Could be a game changer for us should he get up to speed. If he flops again this season hr will still have value and we should consider recouping as much as we paid for him as possible.
A lot comes down to the management of him too. Both managers spurs had last season said the same about him needing to settle etc
A midfield of say Ndombele, Hojberg, Lo Celso and Dele would be a massive upgrade on what is currently on offer.
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That is our current midfield, what we have right now plus Hojberg.
Ndombele is talented but he has stopped playing for me. Needs to adapt etc is BS for me.
For him not to last more than 20 minutes in a game, sounds like he's just not bothered. He's run back clip chasing a player said it all.
He doesn't fancy this league. Maybe because space is at premium, whether you play Sheff Utd or City.
Obviously, Jose and his team are still willing to keep him, which suggests that they think they'll get something out of him.
I think Levy wants the player to stay to make a point.
A player who barely jogged during any of his game, do you thin would suddenly run around and show some pace, because he had a rest?
No doubt, he has talent. But the desire ain't there, I am afraid. Or hasn't shown it yet.
Of course he can turn it around. He's got more talent in one foot than most of the squad do in their entire bodies. Obviously physical conditioning and mental application are a concern at this stage, but hopefully Mourinho can stop picking fights with him long enough to start doing his job and, y'know, coaching the player to improve.
I'm not saying it's entirely the manager's responsibility - the player has to meet him halfway - but if Mourinho should be afforded more time even after some of the horror shows he's treated us to in the past several months, then Ndombele should absolutely be afforded the same luxury.
Feels like the player's agents want him to leave and they must have been instructed to find another club judging by the constant speculation around him. I think the real question is does he want to play for us and fight for his place?
Personnally I don't think so. Talent is one thing but does he have the hunger now he is £200k a week which is surely a hefty increase on his Lyon salary? Again I don't think so.
Also if we keep him and he flops again next season his value will only decrease more so. I back King Jose decision on his future 100% on this. Ultimately though I think the player wants out. Laters.
To me NDomeble has all the ability, if only he realised it and worked hard. No team in this league can carry players. He just needs to mature a bit and realise what it takes to be successful. Maybe with £150k a week going into his bank account he feels he already is successful. Its all in his mind and in his hands to make a real success of himself and if he does I think he would fit beautifully in to a midfield 3 with Holjberg sitting behind him.
He can`t be arst to run or can`t run due to some kind of injury, he`ll get the next few months to prove himself and display an acceptable level of effort.
If he doesn`t start to work hard and perform, he will be down the road either in January or next summer, Mourinho will not accept a lazy player.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
A midfield of say Ndombele, Hojberg, Lo Celso and Dele would be a massive upgrade on what is currently on offer.
==========
That is our current midfield, what we have right now plus Hojberg.
Ndombele is talented but he has stopped playing for me. Needs to adapt etc is BS for me.
For him not to last more than 20 minutes in a game, sounds like he's just not bothered. He's run back clip chasing a player said it all.
He doesn't fancy this league. Maybe because space is at premium, whether you play Sheff Utd or City.
Obviously, Jose and his team are still willing to keep him, which suggests that they think they'll get something out of him.
I think Levy wants the player to stay to make a point.
A player who barely jogged during any of his game, do you thin would suddenly run around and show some pace, because he had a rest?
No doubt, he has talent. But the desire ain't there, I am afraid. Or hasn't shown it yet.
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Not really our current midfield, two of them hardly featured in the last nine games, and one has not arrived yet.
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
Of course he can turn it around. He's got more talent in one foot than most of the squad do in their entire bodies. Obviously physical conditioning and mental application are a concern at this stage, but hopefully Mourinho can stop picking fights with him long enough to start doing his job and, y'know, coaching the player to improve.
I'm not saying it's entirely the manager's responsibility - the player has to meet him halfway - but if Mourinho should be afforded more time even after some of the horror shows he's treated us to in the past several months, then Ndombele should absolutely be afforded the same luxury.
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You don't know at all that Jose has picked a fight with him at all. Pure media speculation. You do know however that when he has been called on, he looks slower than at tank. He needs to sort himself out first and foremost.
I think that N’Dombele has all the boxes ticked except two critical ones...................application and attitude.
Without those two attributes he will never be a success in the PL.
So what is it that affects his mind and his fitness?
I would suggest that Mourhino has asked himself that question numerous times, I would also think he would have discussed this not only with his coaching team but also with any sports psychologists they use at the club.
If those two attributes can be fixed then I think we would have one heck of a player on our hands.
IF is a big word at times😳
Look at a player like Lampard. Was obviously blessed with natural talent, but you'd never say he was in the top 20 / 30% of players for technical ability.
But he worked his arris off every game and off the pitch, training and improving and putting the effort in to make himself the best player the he could be. The result was that he became one of the league's most important and impressive players.
Ronaldo was born with way more talent than most but he didn't just sit back and be content with being one of the better players around (like Neymar), instead he did everything that he could to be as fit as he could and improve his game, and he became one of the greatest ever.
Then you have players like NDombele.
All the talent, but on current evidence, no motivation or desire to be the best that he can be, or at the moment even really to play or fight for his place.
Just want to see some effort from him. Not a lazy, arrogant attitude and picking up the money.
I'm probably making assumptions here about footballers I've never met, and sure he has issues with Jose and injuries... but does anyone really think he gives a fack about the club?
For me, sell and get in a CM with the money who wants to make Spurs successful.
but does anyone really think he gives a fack about the club?
Hell no! That's why I call him a fraud and a lard a$$
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 15 minutes ago
Look at a player like Lampard. Was obviously blessed with natural talent, but you'd never say he was in the top 20 / 30% of players for technical ability.
But he worked his arris off every game and off the pitch, training and improving and putting the effort in to make himself the best player the he could be. The result was that he became one of the league's most important and impressive players.
Ronaldo was born with way more talent than most but he didn't just sit back and be content with being one of the better players around (like Neymar), instead he did everything that he could to be as fit as he could and improve his game, and he became one of the greatest ever.
Then you have players like NDombele.
All the talent, but on current evidence, no motivation or desire to be the best that he can be, or at the moment even really to play or fight for his place.
Just want to see some effort from him. Not a lazy, arrogant attitude and picking up the money.
I'm probably making assumptions here about footballers I've never met, and sure he has issues with Jose and injuries... but does anyone really think he gives a fack about the club?
For me, sell and get in a CM with the money who wants to make Spurs successful.
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I really don't think it's a good idea selling a player who has so much raw talent, even Barca are sniffing around. For me he has the potential to be a Yaya Toure type, extremely gifted and can do things the rest of the squad can only dream of. I don't think though that his progress at Spurs falls entirely on him. Whilst admittedly he needs to work harder, he strikes me as a confidence player so I imagine it's pretty difficult to build your confidence and find the motivation if your own manager is bashing you publicly on a fairly frequent basis. This is as much a mental battle as it is a physical one so I don't see how you can get the best out of someone by making them feel low. You might say 'he's a grown man' and all that macho nonsense but everyone is different and the art of good management is knowing how to adapt to certain individuals needs. Luke Shaw and Anthony Martial now play with a smile, and they play well. That's the difference. It might have worked with Joe Cole for Jose but he's the exception rather than the rule. Ndomblele's failure at Spurs up to now is as much about the manager as it is Tanguy himself. You need your boss to believe in you. Imagine if you had no faith from the boss at your workplace? Your confidence would dip and your productivity would slow down. It's not rocket science. Jose is clearly a very good manager when all the chess pieces are in place. If they're not, he acts like a spoiled brat and breaks the pieces, one by one.
Also, bear in mind we're now a Europa League team. He is a CL player. We need to keep as many of them in the squad as possible as we won't be getting any more through the door until we're back in it.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Also, bear in mind we're now a Europa League team. He is a CL player. We need to keep as many of them in the squad as possible as we won't be getting any more through the door until we're back in it.
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Do you think Ndom has it in his locker to play 3 times a week over a period if 3 weeks for example? I don't.
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Also, bear in mind we're now a Europa League team. He is a CL player. We need to keep as many of them in the squad as possible as we won't be getting any more through the door until we're back in it.
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Do you think Ndom has it in his locker to play 3 times a week over a period if 3 weeks for example? I don't.
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At the moment he can barely play 3 minutes in 3 weeks.
Ndombele, Hojberg, Lo Celso and Dele
****************
That's on Levy's mind.
even Sissoko is in the mix.
Levy is not going to take a loss this year by selling the player to Juve.
Ndombele is here for another year....get to like it!
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 20 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 15 minutes ago
Look at a player like Lampard. Was obviously blessed with natural talent, but you'd never say he was in the top 20 / 30% of players for technical ability.
But he worked his arris off every game and off the pitch, training and improving and putting the effort in to make himself the best player the he could be. The result was that he became one of the league's most important and impressive players.
Ronaldo was born with way more talent than most but he didn't just sit back and be content with being one of the better players around (like Neymar), instead he did everything that he could to be as fit as he could and improve his game, and he became one of the greatest ever.
Then you have players like NDombele.
All the talent, but on current evidence, no motivation or desire to be the best that he can be, or at the moment even really to play or fight for his place.
Just want to see some effort from him. Not a lazy, arrogant attitude and picking up the money.
I'm probably making assumptions here about footballers I've never met, and sure he has issues with Jose and injuries... but does anyone really think he gives a fack about the club?
For me, sell and get in a CM with the money who wants to make Spurs successful.
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Keegan was another. Not the natural talents of the likes of dalgleish, but he worked like stink to get to the top. Ndombele appears to be the opposite and a huge waste of a lot of money. We don't know what is going on in private, but, for me, get ride now before his value goes lower.
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posted on 7/8/20
Needs to work seriously hard this summer and get fit. Could be a game changer for us should he get up to speed. If he flops again this season hr will still have value and we should consider recouping as much as we paid for him as possible.
A lot comes down to the management of him too. Both managers spurs had last season said the same about him needing to settle etc
posted on 7/8/20
A midfield of say Ndombele, Hojberg, Lo Celso and Dele would be a massive upgrade on what is currently on offer.
==========
That is our current midfield, what we have right now plus Hojberg.
Ndombele is talented but he has stopped playing for me. Needs to adapt etc is BS for me.
For him not to last more than 20 minutes in a game, sounds like he's just not bothered. He's run back clip chasing a player said it all.
He doesn't fancy this league. Maybe because space is at premium, whether you play Sheff Utd or City.
Obviously, Jose and his team are still willing to keep him, which suggests that they think they'll get something out of him.
I think Levy wants the player to stay to make a point.
A player who barely jogged during any of his game, do you thin would suddenly run around and show some pace, because he had a rest?
No doubt, he has talent. But the desire ain't there, I am afraid. Or hasn't shown it yet.
posted on 7/8/20
Of course he can turn it around. He's got more talent in one foot than most of the squad do in their entire bodies. Obviously physical conditioning and mental application are a concern at this stage, but hopefully Mourinho can stop picking fights with him long enough to start doing his job and, y'know, coaching the player to improve.
I'm not saying it's entirely the manager's responsibility - the player has to meet him halfway - but if Mourinho should be afforded more time even after some of the horror shows he's treated us to in the past several months, then Ndombele should absolutely be afforded the same luxury.
posted on 7/8/20
Feels like the player's agents want him to leave and they must have been instructed to find another club judging by the constant speculation around him. I think the real question is does he want to play for us and fight for his place?
Personnally I don't think so. Talent is one thing but does he have the hunger now he is £200k a week which is surely a hefty increase on his Lyon salary? Again I don't think so.
Also if we keep him and he flops again next season his value will only decrease more so. I back King Jose decision on his future 100% on this. Ultimately though I think the player wants out. Laters.
posted on 7/8/20
To me NDomeble has all the ability, if only he realised it and worked hard. No team in this league can carry players. He just needs to mature a bit and realise what it takes to be successful. Maybe with £150k a week going into his bank account he feels he already is successful. Its all in his mind and in his hands to make a real success of himself and if he does I think he would fit beautifully in to a midfield 3 with Holjberg sitting behind him.
posted on 7/8/20
He can`t be arst to run or can`t run due to some kind of injury, he`ll get the next few months to prove himself and display an acceptable level of effort.
If he doesn`t start to work hard and perform, he will be down the road either in January or next summer, Mourinho will not accept a lazy player.
posted on 7/8/20
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
A midfield of say Ndombele, Hojberg, Lo Celso and Dele would be a massive upgrade on what is currently on offer.
==========
That is our current midfield, what we have right now plus Hojberg.
Ndombele is talented but he has stopped playing for me. Needs to adapt etc is BS for me.
For him not to last more than 20 minutes in a game, sounds like he's just not bothered. He's run back clip chasing a player said it all.
He doesn't fancy this league. Maybe because space is at premium, whether you play Sheff Utd or City.
Obviously, Jose and his team are still willing to keep him, which suggests that they think they'll get something out of him.
I think Levy wants the player to stay to make a point.
A player who barely jogged during any of his game, do you thin would suddenly run around and show some pace, because he had a rest?
No doubt, he has talent. But the desire ain't there, I am afraid. Or hasn't shown it yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really our current midfield, two of them hardly featured in the last nine games, and one has not arrived yet.
posted on 7/8/20
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
Of course he can turn it around. He's got more talent in one foot than most of the squad do in their entire bodies. Obviously physical conditioning and mental application are a concern at this stage, but hopefully Mourinho can stop picking fights with him long enough to start doing his job and, y'know, coaching the player to improve.
I'm not saying it's entirely the manager's responsibility - the player has to meet him halfway - but if Mourinho should be afforded more time even after some of the horror shows he's treated us to in the past several months, then Ndombele should absolutely be afforded the same luxury.
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You don't know at all that Jose has picked a fight with him at all. Pure media speculation. You do know however that when he has been called on, he looks slower than at tank. He needs to sort himself out first and foremost.
posted on 7/8/20
I think that N’Dombele has all the boxes ticked except two critical ones...................application and attitude.
Without those two attributes he will never be a success in the PL.
So what is it that affects his mind and his fitness?
I would suggest that Mourhino has asked himself that question numerous times, I would also think he would have discussed this not only with his coaching team but also with any sports psychologists they use at the club.
If those two attributes can be fixed then I think we would have one heck of a player on our hands.
posted on 7/8/20
Its a massive IF though
posted on 7/8/20
IF is a big word at times😳
posted on 7/8/20
Look at a player like Lampard. Was obviously blessed with natural talent, but you'd never say he was in the top 20 / 30% of players for technical ability.
But he worked his arris off every game and off the pitch, training and improving and putting the effort in to make himself the best player the he could be. The result was that he became one of the league's most important and impressive players.
Ronaldo was born with way more talent than most but he didn't just sit back and be content with being one of the better players around (like Neymar), instead he did everything that he could to be as fit as he could and improve his game, and he became one of the greatest ever.
Then you have players like NDombele.
All the talent, but on current evidence, no motivation or desire to be the best that he can be, or at the moment even really to play or fight for his place.
Just want to see some effort from him. Not a lazy, arrogant attitude and picking up the money.
I'm probably making assumptions here about footballers I've never met, and sure he has issues with Jose and injuries... but does anyone really think he gives a fack about the club?
For me, sell and get in a CM with the money who wants to make Spurs successful.
posted on 7/8/20
but does anyone really think he gives a fack about the club?
Hell no! That's why I call him a fraud and a lard a$$
posted on 7/8/20
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 15 minutes ago
Look at a player like Lampard. Was obviously blessed with natural talent, but you'd never say he was in the top 20 / 30% of players for technical ability.
But he worked his arris off every game and off the pitch, training and improving and putting the effort in to make himself the best player the he could be. The result was that he became one of the league's most important and impressive players.
Ronaldo was born with way more talent than most but he didn't just sit back and be content with being one of the better players around (like Neymar), instead he did everything that he could to be as fit as he could and improve his game, and he became one of the greatest ever.
Then you have players like NDombele.
All the talent, but on current evidence, no motivation or desire to be the best that he can be, or at the moment even really to play or fight for his place.
Just want to see some effort from him. Not a lazy, arrogant attitude and picking up the money.
I'm probably making assumptions here about footballers I've never met, and sure he has issues with Jose and injuries... but does anyone really think he gives a fack about the club?
For me, sell and get in a CM with the money who wants to make Spurs successful.
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posted on 7/8/20
I really don't think it's a good idea selling a player who has so much raw talent, even Barca are sniffing around. For me he has the potential to be a Yaya Toure type, extremely gifted and can do things the rest of the squad can only dream of. I don't think though that his progress at Spurs falls entirely on him. Whilst admittedly he needs to work harder, he strikes me as a confidence player so I imagine it's pretty difficult to build your confidence and find the motivation if your own manager is bashing you publicly on a fairly frequent basis. This is as much a mental battle as it is a physical one so I don't see how you can get the best out of someone by making them feel low. You might say 'he's a grown man' and all that macho nonsense but everyone is different and the art of good management is knowing how to adapt to certain individuals needs. Luke Shaw and Anthony Martial now play with a smile, and they play well. That's the difference. It might have worked with Joe Cole for Jose but he's the exception rather than the rule. Ndomblele's failure at Spurs up to now is as much about the manager as it is Tanguy himself. You need your boss to believe in you. Imagine if you had no faith from the boss at your workplace? Your confidence would dip and your productivity would slow down. It's not rocket science. Jose is clearly a very good manager when all the chess pieces are in place. If they're not, he acts like a spoiled brat and breaks the pieces, one by one.
posted on 7/8/20
Also, bear in mind we're now a Europa League team. He is a CL player. We need to keep as many of them in the squad as possible as we won't be getting any more through the door until we're back in it.
posted on 7/8/20
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Also, bear in mind we're now a Europa League team. He is a CL player. We need to keep as many of them in the squad as possible as we won't be getting any more through the door until we're back in it.
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Do you think Ndom has it in his locker to play 3 times a week over a period if 3 weeks for example? I don't.
posted on 7/8/20
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Also, bear in mind we're now a Europa League team. He is a CL player. We need to keep as many of them in the squad as possible as we won't be getting any more through the door until we're back in it.
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Do you think Ndom has it in his locker to play 3 times a week over a period if 3 weeks for example? I don't.
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At the moment he can barely play 3 minutes in 3 weeks.
posted on 7/8/20
Ndombele, Hojberg, Lo Celso and Dele
****************
That's on Levy's mind.
even Sissoko is in the mix.
Levy is not going to take a loss this year by selling the player to Juve.
Ndombele is here for another year....get to like it!
posted on 8/8/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 20 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 15 minutes ago
Look at a player like Lampard. Was obviously blessed with natural talent, but you'd never say he was in the top 20 / 30% of players for technical ability.
But he worked his arris off every game and off the pitch, training and improving and putting the effort in to make himself the best player the he could be. The result was that he became one of the league's most important and impressive players.
Ronaldo was born with way more talent than most but he didn't just sit back and be content with being one of the better players around (like Neymar), instead he did everything that he could to be as fit as he could and improve his game, and he became one of the greatest ever.
Then you have players like NDombele.
All the talent, but on current evidence, no motivation or desire to be the best that he can be, or at the moment even really to play or fight for his place.
Just want to see some effort from him. Not a lazy, arrogant attitude and picking up the money.
I'm probably making assumptions here about footballers I've never met, and sure he has issues with Jose and injuries... but does anyone really think he gives a fack about the club?
For me, sell and get in a CM with the money who wants to make Spurs successful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Keegan was another. Not the natural talents of the likes of dalgleish, but he worked like stink to get to the top. Ndombele appears to be the opposite and a huge waste of a lot of money. We don't know what is going on in private, but, for me, get ride now before his value goes lower.
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