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Can we attract top players?

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comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 7/8/20

comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 minutes ago
Is Harry Kane a mercenary, sandy?
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Spurs didn`t buy him, he is homegrown, and has delivered, so no problem with him.

My beef is with players that come on massive wages and don`t deliver. You being a United supporter should know more than most, you have had some massively underperforming players on £300/400 grand a week.
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Right okay, so if Kane deserves his salary, does that not mean that to buy a midfielder who is as good as Kane in his position that you should pay a similar amount?
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Andros Towsend said he was pished off Lamela was on £60k-£70k a week and on the bench whilst he was on £5k a week.

https://twitter.com/HotspurRelated/status/1290997763119943681?s=19

Now imagine what Winks and rest are thinking with lardy injured and his can't be @rsed attitude.
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Lamela is still at the club and Townsend isnt ?

posted on 7/8/20

He is obviously talking about the time when he was at the club dummy.

posted on 7/8/20

I don't really know what the point is, if you're aiming it at me?

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 7/8/20

comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
He is obviously talking about the time when he was at the club dummy.
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yes because i didnt know that im saying but which player is still at the club? even all the replies are saying about the Townsend attitude being poor compared to Lamela hence Lamela outlasting him at the club. So what is the relevance of this?

posted on 7/8/20

Because the debate moved to salaries and a side note I thought it was worth a mention as sometime when you pay big money for players on big wages it doesn't always work out.

You can say Lamela ousted him from the club but Andros is playing regularly now and Lamela is still a bench warmer so who would you rather be assuming they are in the same wages now.

posted on 7/8/20

comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 12 minutes ago
Because the debate moved to salaries and a side note I thought it was worth a mention as sometime when you pay big money for players on big wages it doesn't always work out.

You can say Lamela ousted him from the club but Andros is playing regularly now and Lamela is still a bench warmer so who would you rather be assuming they are in the same wages now.

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Of course sometimes it doesn't work out.

But that doesn't detract from the point, that ultimately if you won't pay top wages then you won't sign top players.

posted on 7/8/20

We can attract any player if we are willing to pay them enough, this idea that players only consider clubs in the CL is nonsense, in the first place, players consider which club is willing to pay them the most.

posted on 7/8/20

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posted on 7/8/20

comment by SgtWilko (U12059)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 12 minutes ago
Because the debate moved to salaries and a side note I thought it was worth a mention as sometime when you pay big money for players on big wages it doesn't always work out.

You can say Lamela ousted him from the club but Andros is playing regularly now and Lamela is still a bench warmer so who would you rather be assuming they are in the same wages now.

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Of course sometimes it doesn't work out.

But that doesn't detract from the point, that ultimately if you won't pay top wages then you won't sign top players.
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We pay very near top wages. In the top 10 you have the super clubs Barca, Real, Bayern etc or oil backed cheat clubs PSG, Man City, Chelsea plus Arsenal.
We are in the little group behind that with A Madrid, Dortmund, just behind Juventus which seems about right. The stadium was going to bump us a little in the awful "wages league" but Covid has temporarily ruined that for now.
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Only to a handful of players.

The majority of your signings have been on significantly lower wages to the equivalent positions at United, Liverpool etc.

posted on 7/8/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 minutes ago
Is Harry Kane a mercenary, sandy?
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Spurs didn`t buy him, he is homegrown, and has delivered, so no problem with him.

My beef is with players that come on massive wages and don`t deliver. You being a United supporter should know more than most, you have had some massively underperforming players on £300/400 grand a week.
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Right okay, so if Kane deserves his salary, does that not mean that to buy a midfielder who is as good as Kane in his position that you should pay a similar amount?
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Kabe is absolute world class. You don't get many worldclass players up for sale, and then only the chequebook clubs can afford them.

posted on 7/8/20

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 minutes ago
Is Harry Kane a mercenary, sandy?
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Spurs didn`t buy him, he is homegrown, and has delivered, so no problem with him.

My beef is with players that come on massive wages and don`t deliver. You being a United supporter should know more than most, you have had some massively underperforming players on £300/400 grand a week.
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Right okay, so if Kane deserves his salary, does that not mean that to buy a midfielder who is as good as Kane in his position that you should pay a similar amount?
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Kabe is absolute world class. You don't get many worldclass players up for sale, and then only the chequebook clubs can afford them.
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Yes, but when they do come up for sale, they're worth the money, are they not?

And if Spurs won't pay that money, they won't get them.

Not all players are mercenaries. Some are simply paid the going rate and do a great job.

posted on 7/8/20

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posted on 7/8/20

SgtWilko (U12059)

Nope.

I see the duds perfectly well, thanks.

What does that have to do with it?

posted on 7/8/20

Wages need to be capped, not just in the PL but right across the World. This needs intervention from both FIFA & UEFA to bring in new rules.

No club should be spending anymore than 38% of their turnover on wages. Some clubs last year were paying wages equal to around 80% of revenue. Totally unsustainable going forward.

posted on 7/8/20

Of all the clubs we pay only 39% of our turnover on wages, this is right across the board. Does that make us cheapskates? Not necessarily, it really just emphasises that the club is well run fiscally.

Bournemouth, Leicester, Southampton, Everton and Palace were all in the mid to high 70’s in terms of percentages.

Chelsea, United, City & Liverpool were all in the low to high 50’s. Arsenal spend 60% of their turnover on wages.

posted on 7/8/20

Genius - do you follow Swiss Ramble by any chance?

I reckon our wage to turnover ratio is low due to the bank loans we have to cover the cost of the stadium. I agree with your idea but wouldn't transfer fees increase if wages to turnover ratios were capped? Plus the idea would need a collective agreement from all clubs and policing the whole system for FIFA would be a nightmare.

posted on 7/8/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 minutes ago
SgtWilko (U12059)

Nope.

I see the duds perfectly well, thanks.

What does that have to do with it?


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There is risk in buying players. Clubs like United are more able and more willing to write off players value and wages than Spurs are. Consequently SPurs are less likely to pay the massive wages immediately because if they are a flop, you end up taking a hit on fees, and quite often because of their huge wages, it is very difficult to actually sell the player.

Ozil & Bale are classic examples - will never leave as no one will ever pay them the same wage. Wages & transfer fees over the last couple years of their contracts will amount to 10s of millions of waste money.

No doubt Utd been paying most of Sanchez' wages while on loan and now they lose him for £0

Big transfers are a massive risk....Spurs approach is to buy the next rung down the ladder, younger, and develop them. Reward them if they prove themselves worthy of £150k a week, keep them hungry. If reports are right Ndombele is on something like £150k a week. He will earn £40m or so over his 5 years at Spurs....he seems very unwilling to really bust a gut. We cannot and will not write that off. This is the balance Spurs have to find in their transfer dealings, other top teams less so.

posted on 7/8/20

comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
Genius - do you follow Swiss Ramble by any chance?

I reckon our wage to turnover ratio is low due to the bank loans we have to cover the cost of the stadium. I agree with your idea but wouldn't transfer fees increase if wages to turnover ratios were capped? Plus the idea would need a collective agreement from all clubs and policing the whole system for FIFA would be a nightmare.
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The ratio is low because with Wembely and also the UCL money we've had a massive and sudden hike in revenue. Wages havent caught up yet and will take time to do so, as players contracts are extended etc.

Revenue in 2015/16 - £210m

2018/19 £460m

posted on 7/8/20

Devonshirespur (U6316)

Of course, and I'm not suggesting that Spurs can match United's spending.

But the reality is that unless you can offer those big wages then you won't compete.

Spurs could choose to start to change that but at present, haven't really done that.

posted on 7/8/20

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
Genius - do you follow Swiss Ramble by any chance?

I reckon our wage to turnover ratio is low due to the bank loans we have to cover the cost of the stadium. I agree with your idea but wouldn't transfer fees increase if wages to turnover ratios were capped? Plus the idea would need a collective agreement from all clubs and policing the whole system for FIFA would be a nightmare.
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The ratio is low because with Wembely and also the UCL money we've had a massive and sudden hike in revenue. Wages havent caught up yet and will take time to do so, as players contracts are extended etc.

Revenue in 2015/16 - £210m

2018/19 £460m
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Good point!

posted on 7/8/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Devonshirespur (U6316)

Of course, and I'm not suggesting that Spurs can match United's spending.

But the reality is that unless you can offer those big wages then you won't compete.

Spurs could choose to start to change that but at present, haven't really done that.
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Not necessarily.

we've been competing, despite the lesser wages.


posted on 7/8/20

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Devonshirespur (U6316)

Of course, and I'm not suggesting that Spurs can match United's spending.

But the reality is that unless you can offer those big wages then you won't compete.

Spurs could choose to start to change that but at present, haven't really done that.
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Not necessarily.

we've been competing, despite the lesser wages.



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Not really - Poch worked miracles but you don't look likely to win a title any time soon.

This isn't a dig - I'm the first to say that Spurs are doing well considering their finances.

But the article asks if you can attract top players. I'm simply saying no, until you're prepared to pay wages that compete with the likes of United and Liverpool.

Not necessarily for every player, but certainly more so than currently.

posted on 7/8/20

If it is true that NDombele singed on £150k a week wages, then this is already a sign that we are offering more.

Bruno Fernandez is reportedly on £100k a week.....so it's not as if we cannot compete at these levels. We wont be splashing £350k a week on the likes of Sanchez though, like Utd did.

posted on 7/8/20

"Bruno Fernandez is reportedly on £100k a week.....so it's not as if we cannot compete at these levels"

Make your mind up!

posted on 7/8/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Devonshirespur (U6316)

Of course, and I'm not suggesting that Spurs can match United's spending.

But the reality is that unless you can offer those big wages then you won't compete.

Spurs could choose to start to change that but at present, haven't really done that.
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Not necessarily.

we've been competing, despite the lesser wages.



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Not really - Poch worked miracles but you don't look likely to win a title any time soon.

This isn't a dig - I'm the first to say that Spurs are doing well considering their finances.

But the article asks if you can attract top players. I'm simply saying no, until you're prepared to pay wages that compete with the likes of United and Liverpool.

Not necessarily for every player, but certainly more so than currently.
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Your wages have consistently been top 2 for years.....so why havent United been top 2? Why no title for United since Fergie, despite massive spending, massive wages. WHy are you playing in the Europa Cup this season when your wage bill is x 2 Spurs'

Its not as simple as massive wages = better players, otherwise that would make Sanchez, Bale, Ozil some of the best players on the planet - yet they are not wanted by the parent teams. As for DDG on £350k a week, makes him no better than Lloris on probably 1/3 of that, and if you do think he's better than Lloris, he isnt three time better!

https://www.sportekz.com/football/premier-league-clubs-wage-bills/

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