Nothing unknown. Since Wenger left we don't have a manager anymore, only head coach. Manager is in control of transfers unlike head coach.
Having the board respect your plans as the coach and agree to never sell a player against your wishes, isn't full control over transfers. It's being left alone to do your job.
I think you need to have a greater understanding of how things work before coming to the conclusion Arteta is being marginalised.
You have to understand there are meetings between all concerned to develop a transfer strategy.
You have to understand that there is give and take.
You have to understand the budget.
You have to understand Artetas plans.
You have to understand that while Arteta may pubically say he wants to keep AMN, that behind the scenes it may be a different story.
You have to understand that while it is easy to say sell Mkhitarayan, Elneny, Sokratis, Guendouzi, Kolasinac, Mustafi, Ozil etc, the reality is it is very hard - especially with the players on high wages.
I am 100% sure any making Ains available for transfer has been discussed and agreed in view of the bigger picture and Arteta is fully on board.
And, like links to Gabriel, Partey and Coutinho, it may all be media bs.
I like Ainsley, but if they get a good offer then it'll be hard to turn down.
I'm sure arteta feels the same way.
I agree with D'JM, they will be looking at what money they have and what their options are, Arteta may not want AMN to go in an ideal world but if they let him go it's because Arteta wants other players more.
I highly doubt they are dictating to Arteta how the money they do have is used, I suspect that he would walk if they did.
Personally I think it is a high priority that they keep AMN, I would sell a number of other players including even Pepe & Willock before selling him.
DJ
You need to understand I've written this on the basis that it isn't something the been agreed to because he wants other players more. From a "Board blatantly interfering in playing affairs" perspective. Also one that says the owner should be putting cash in to cover transfer fees for once (since the rules say he can this season). Instead of selling off one of our better players and weakening the squad, to raise the funds.
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
I agree with D'JM, they will be looking at what money they have and what their options are, Arteta may not want AMN to go in an ideal world but if they let him go it's because Arteta wants other players more.
I highly doubt they are dictating to Arteta how the money they do have is used, I suspect that he would walk if they did.
Personally I think it is a high priority that they keep AMN, I would sell a number of other players including even Pepe & Willock before selling him.
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Same here, good as Willian is, at this point in his career he isn't worth sacrificing AMN for. In an ideal world we have him teaching AMN and helping bring on his attacking play. This way is taking one step backwards, to go one step forward. Self defeating when your objective in progress.
The Willian deal has nothing to do with AMN. That deal is done regardless of AMN staying or going.
We are open to selling AMN to further our transfers beyond Willian, Ceba and Gabriel and to secure Partey.
We have Guendouzi, whose value is harnessed by the fact we want rid and we will be lucky to get what he should be worth to us. We have Torreira who will only attract around £25m. If we add AMN for the rumoured £30m we have £75m-£90m on top of our budget.
The rest of the players we are hoping to get rid of will barely get us double figures between them if we were even able to get rid.
comment by Tu Meke - AinsleyForRightBack (U3732)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
I like Ainsley, but if they get a good offer then it'll be hard to turn down.
I'm sure arteta feels the same way.
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What is a good offer for you?
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke - AinsleyForRightBack (U3732)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
I like Ainsley, but if they get a good offer then it'll be hard to turn down.
I'm sure arteta feels the same way.
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What is a good offer for you?
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25m+ really.
As much as I think he should be a starting RB for us, he hasn't nailed a place down.
If we get a good offer for bellerin too, then things get interesting.
Maybe its Arteta says he wants ot keep AMN and buy Partey. The board have identified AMN as a player that can be sold to fund buying Partey. Or maybe its to fund Ceballos who's contract has not been completed yet.
At the end of the day with the players rumoured to leave or pushed to the sidelines (Ozil we could end up with only Xhaka, Saka and Willock as CM's next season.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
The Willian deal has nothing to do with AMN. That deal is done regardless of AMN staying or going.
We are open to selling AMN to further our transfers beyond Willian, Ceba and Gabriel and to secure Partey.
We have Guendouzi, whose value is harnessed by the fact we want rid and we will be lucky to get what he should be worth to us. We have Torreira who will only attract around £25m. If we add AMN for the rumoured £30m we have £75m-£90m on top of our budget.
The rest of the players we are hoping to get rid of will barely get us double figures between them if we were even able to get rid.
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Still missing the whole "weakening one are to strengthen another," thing I'm talking about I see. I see it more like Wonky. Arteta wants to keep AMN and buy Partey and he's being told no because ke won't invest his money to move this team forward long term.
If we sell AMN to buy Partey or any MF it's weakening defence to improve MF. None of the other top teams would pull this crap. Just ou tight owner and board. The others would all keep the strong player and cough up the cash to buy.
People say they want things at the club to change but the critical thing isn't. The owner still doesn't want to pay for the best players in their prime. So every manager/coach has one armed constantly tied behind his back. This is just rinse and repeat. Couple of season and we'll be in this same boat again with the squad only we'll need strikers and MFs.
Still missing the whole "weakening one are to strengthen another," thing
=====
Because it is not a thing. AMN is a midfielder who fills in at full back - and does a decent job at wing back but Arteta sees 4 at the back as the way forward by all accounts.
The owner is not in control of who we buy. If the people in charge want to spend all our money on the "best players" then they can. Just like Liverpool.
And, as Wonky points out, midfield is the key strengthening area. We have full backs and players who can fill in at full back.
If AMN is the player identified as being a makeweight in bringing in the players to the club we need then so be it.
The owner is not in control of who we buy. If the people in charge want to spend all our money on the "best players" then they can. Just like Liverpool.
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I can't believe you look at this squad and the transfers we've brought in the last 5 years and actually be gullible enough to believe it's the results gleaned by a transfer team free to buy all the best players. The best players of the past ten windows (under 27) have all gone to other teams ya numpty.
OF COURSE THE OWNER IS IN CHARGE! ke didn't get as filthy rich as he is by giving other people unfettered control over his businesses money. He's made a tonne fleecing his US teams long before he started it with Arsenal. Wake up and smell the coffee. The more fans buy into this crap, the longer it'll keep going on for. Arteta is in the process of being set up to fail. Because when push comes to shove, it's big money that's needed. In transfer fees, not geriatric wages. And like Wenger and Emery before him, Arteta won't get it. Instead he will get told "Feck off, sell players." AMN suggests he already is.
Kroenke is in talks with Willian discussing the ins and outs of his contract as we speak...
Kroenke got filthy rich by shaagging a Walmart heiress.
"Kroenke is in talks with Willian discussing the ins and outs of his contract as we speak."
Oh really?
So ke is negotiating Willian's contract. Not Edu, Arteta nor any of the transfer team employed to do that sort of thing? See now that's funny because I swear that you've been adamant for months that ke has absolutely nothing to do with transfers. You said he just tells the team they're free to spend as much as they want, buy anyone they want and then leaves them to it.
So what the feck is HE doing discussing in and outs with Willian then? If he's negotiating player contracts himself, then you can be damn sure he's in total control of who we do or do not buy and whether or not we'll pay the fee to get them. He's up to his bloody neck in our transfer deals DJ. Him micro managing the Willian deal, I'd say is a pretty good indicator that it's ALWAYS been him behind each of the crapass, bargain basement deals we have pursued the last 10 years.
Hence the state of the squad. Ultimately it has been decided on and built, by a micromanaging yank businessman who doesn't know a damn thing about English football. Let alone how you build.run a team in it. Yet he constantly meddles/had meddled in those team affairs.
Hahaha, you fool. Kroenke has nothing to do with transfers. You are too stupid to see sarcasm.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 22 minutes ago
Hahaha, you fool. Kroenke has nothing to do with transfers. You are too stupid to see sarcasm.
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No DJ, you're to blind to see what has been happening at this club for years now. you refuse to recognise and accept that does not allow big money, player in prime, transfers. He will only pay for established veterans or unknown youngsters. That is why we have lost out to Chelsea/City?Man U on every star going. Also why we have so many poor players in the squad. If he'd to cough up 50-100 mil for a fee plus wages, then we'd have a squad that was actually worth some money to sell off.
As it is, his first and only expensive youngster is Pepe. In 10 bloody years, he's the only player we've bought high, so actually going to be worth a good price, when he reaches the end of his contract. Everyone else has been old/high wage or just cheap!
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posted on 8/8/20
Nothing unknown. Since Wenger left we don't have a manager anymore, only head coach. Manager is in control of transfers unlike head coach.
posted on 8/8/20
Having the board respect your plans as the coach and agree to never sell a player against your wishes, isn't full control over transfers. It's being left alone to do your job.
posted on 8/8/20
I think you need to have a greater understanding of how things work before coming to the conclusion Arteta is being marginalised.
You have to understand there are meetings between all concerned to develop a transfer strategy.
You have to understand that there is give and take.
You have to understand the budget.
You have to understand Artetas plans.
You have to understand that while Arteta may pubically say he wants to keep AMN, that behind the scenes it may be a different story.
You have to understand that while it is easy to say sell Mkhitarayan, Elneny, Sokratis, Guendouzi, Kolasinac, Mustafi, Ozil etc, the reality is it is very hard - especially with the players on high wages.
I am 100% sure any making Ains available for transfer has been discussed and agreed in view of the bigger picture and Arteta is fully on board.
And, like links to Gabriel, Partey and Coutinho, it may all be media bs.
posted on 8/8/20
I like Ainsley, but if they get a good offer then it'll be hard to turn down.
I'm sure arteta feels the same way.
posted on 8/8/20
I agree with D'JM, they will be looking at what money they have and what their options are, Arteta may not want AMN to go in an ideal world but if they let him go it's because Arteta wants other players more.
I highly doubt they are dictating to Arteta how the money they do have is used, I suspect that he would walk if they did.
Personally I think it is a high priority that they keep AMN, I would sell a number of other players including even Pepe & Willock before selling him.
posted on 8/8/20
DJ
You need to understand I've written this on the basis that it isn't something the been agreed to because he wants other players more. From a "Board blatantly interfering in playing affairs" perspective. Also one that says the owner should be putting cash in to cover transfer fees for once (since the rules say he can this season). Instead of selling off one of our better players and weakening the squad, to raise the funds.
posted on 8/8/20
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
I agree with D'JM, they will be looking at what money they have and what their options are, Arteta may not want AMN to go in an ideal world but if they let him go it's because Arteta wants other players more.
I highly doubt they are dictating to Arteta how the money they do have is used, I suspect that he would walk if they did.
Personally I think it is a high priority that they keep AMN, I would sell a number of other players including even Pepe & Willock before selling him.
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Same here, good as Willian is, at this point in his career he isn't worth sacrificing AMN for. In an ideal world we have him teaching AMN and helping bring on his attacking play. This way is taking one step backwards, to go one step forward. Self defeating when your objective in progress.
posted on 8/8/20
The Willian deal has nothing to do with AMN. That deal is done regardless of AMN staying or going.
We are open to selling AMN to further our transfers beyond Willian, Ceba and Gabriel and to secure Partey.
We have Guendouzi, whose value is harnessed by the fact we want rid and we will be lucky to get what he should be worth to us. We have Torreira who will only attract around £25m. If we add AMN for the rumoured £30m we have £75m-£90m on top of our budget.
The rest of the players we are hoping to get rid of will barely get us double figures between them if we were even able to get rid.
posted on 8/8/20
comment by Tu Meke - AinsleyForRightBack (U3732)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
I like Ainsley, but if they get a good offer then it'll be hard to turn down.
I'm sure arteta feels the same way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What is a good offer for you?
posted on 8/8/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke - AinsleyForRightBack (U3732)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
I like Ainsley, but if they get a good offer then it'll be hard to turn down.
I'm sure arteta feels the same way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What is a good offer for you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
25m+ really.
As much as I think he should be a starting RB for us, he hasn't nailed a place down.
If we get a good offer for bellerin too, then things get interesting.
posted on 8/8/20
Maybe its Arteta says he wants ot keep AMN and buy Partey. The board have identified AMN as a player that can be sold to fund buying Partey. Or maybe its to fund Ceballos who's contract has not been completed yet.
At the end of the day with the players rumoured to leave or pushed to the sidelines (Ozil we could end up with only Xhaka, Saka and Willock as CM's next season.
posted on 8/8/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
The Willian deal has nothing to do with AMN. That deal is done regardless of AMN staying or going.
We are open to selling AMN to further our transfers beyond Willian, Ceba and Gabriel and to secure Partey.
We have Guendouzi, whose value is harnessed by the fact we want rid and we will be lucky to get what he should be worth to us. We have Torreira who will only attract around £25m. If we add AMN for the rumoured £30m we have £75m-£90m on top of our budget.
The rest of the players we are hoping to get rid of will barely get us double figures between them if we were even able to get rid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still missing the whole "weakening one are to strengthen another," thing I'm talking about I see. I see it more like Wonky. Arteta wants to keep AMN and buy Partey and he's being told no because ke won't invest his money to move this team forward long term.
If we sell AMN to buy Partey or any MF it's weakening defence to improve MF. None of the other top teams would pull this crap. Just ou tight owner and board. The others would all keep the strong player and cough up the cash to buy.
People say they want things at the club to change but the critical thing isn't. The owner still doesn't want to pay for the best players in their prime. So every manager/coach has one armed constantly tied behind his back. This is just rinse and repeat. Couple of season and we'll be in this same boat again with the squad only we'll need strikers and MFs.
posted on 8/8/20
Wow Chelsea defending
posted on 8/8/20
Still missing the whole "weakening one are to strengthen another," thing
=====
Because it is not a thing. AMN is a midfielder who fills in at full back - and does a decent job at wing back but Arteta sees 4 at the back as the way forward by all accounts.
The owner is not in control of who we buy. If the people in charge want to spend all our money on the "best players" then they can. Just like Liverpool.
posted on 8/8/20
And, as Wonky points out, midfield is the key strengthening area. We have full backs and players who can fill in at full back.
If AMN is the player identified as being a makeweight in bringing in the players to the club we need then so be it.
posted on 8/8/20
The owner is not in control of who we buy. If the people in charge want to spend all our money on the "best players" then they can. Just like Liverpool.
-----------------------------------------------------------
I can't believe you look at this squad and the transfers we've brought in the last 5 years and actually be gullible enough to believe it's the results gleaned by a transfer team free to buy all the best players. The best players of the past ten windows (under 27) have all gone to other teams ya numpty.
OF COURSE THE OWNER IS IN CHARGE! ke didn't get as filthy rich as he is by giving other people unfettered control over his businesses money. He's made a tonne fleecing his US teams long before he started it with Arsenal. Wake up and smell the coffee. The more fans buy into this crap, the longer it'll keep going on for. Arteta is in the process of being set up to fail. Because when push comes to shove, it's big money that's needed. In transfer fees, not geriatric wages. And like Wenger and Emery before him, Arteta won't get it. Instead he will get told "Feck off, sell players." AMN suggests he already is.
posted on 8/8/20
Kroenke is in talks with Willian discussing the ins and outs of his contract as we speak...
Kroenke got filthy rich by shaagging a Walmart heiress.
posted on 9/8/20
"Kroenke is in talks with Willian discussing the ins and outs of his contract as we speak."
Oh really?
So ke is negotiating Willian's contract. Not Edu, Arteta nor any of the transfer team employed to do that sort of thing? See now that's funny because I swear that you've been adamant for months that ke has absolutely nothing to do with transfers. You said he just tells the team they're free to spend as much as they want, buy anyone they want and then leaves them to it.
So what the feck is HE doing discussing in and outs with Willian then? If he's negotiating player contracts himself, then you can be damn sure he's in total control of who we do or do not buy and whether or not we'll pay the fee to get them. He's up to his bloody neck in our transfer deals DJ. Him micro managing the Willian deal, I'd say is a pretty good indicator that it's ALWAYS been him behind each of the crapass, bargain basement deals we have pursued the last 10 years.
Hence the state of the squad. Ultimately it has been decided on and built, by a micromanaging yank businessman who doesn't know a damn thing about English football. Let alone how you build.run a team in it. Yet he constantly meddles/had meddled in those team affairs.
posted on 9/8/20
Hahaha, you fool. Kroenke has nothing to do with transfers. You are too stupid to see sarcasm.
posted on 9/8/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 22 minutes ago
Hahaha, you fool. Kroenke has nothing to do with transfers. You are too stupid to see sarcasm.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No DJ, you're to blind to see what has been happening at this club for years now. you refuse to recognise and accept that does not allow big money, player in prime, transfers. He will only pay for established veterans or unknown youngsters. That is why we have lost out to Chelsea/City?Man U on every star going. Also why we have so many poor players in the squad. If he'd to cough up 50-100 mil for a fee plus wages, then we'd have a squad that was actually worth some money to sell off.
As it is, his first and only expensive youngster is Pepe. In 10 bloody years, he's the only player we've bought high, so actually going to be worth a good price, when he reaches the end of his contract. Everyone else has been old/high wage or just cheap!
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