Will have to bring in another striker if Laca is sold
To get too 4 we can't have Auba as our only quality striker option. Martinelli is out until next year and Eddie isn't the guy.
Still expect a Laca for Partey exchange which has been rumoured for almost 6 months now.
I'd rather Torreira was the guy used as part of a deal for Partey. It's a shame that the likes of Laca, AMN & Bellerin have all the rumours. I think once we're clear of the obvious deadwood (Ozil, Elneny, Sokratis) then I would be more open to these players being sold... At the moment I just want certain players given away to clear up some funds.
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 45 minutes ago
I'd rather Torreira was the guy used as part of a deal for Partey. It's a shame that the likes of Laca, AMN & Bellerin have all the rumours. I think once we're clear of the obvious deadwood (Ozil, Elneny, Sokratis) then I would be more open to these players being sold... At the moment I just want certain players given away to clear up some funds.
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So you would wait another year or two until their contracts are up (Ozil, Sokratis, Elneny etc) to rebuild the squad?
Rather we were proactive and if good offers came in for dispensable players like Ains, Laca, Holding, Bellerin etc then we would take them and improve the first XI.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 45 minutes ago
I'd rather Torreira was the guy used as part of a deal for Partey. It's a shame that the likes of Laca, AMN & Bellerin have all the rumours. I think once we're clear of the obvious deadwood (Ozil, Elneny, Sokratis) then I would be more open to these players being sold... At the moment I just want certain players given away to clear up some funds.
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So you would wait another year or two until their contracts are up (Ozil, Sokratis, Elneny etc) to rebuild the squad?
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The complete opposite. I'd take pretty much anything offered to get rid of them now.
But no-one will take them, and they won't go, thats the problem. Who on earth would take on Ozils wages, and why would Ozil leave - for example? Kolasinac is another we have no chance of getting rid of.
It is why we are open to AMN leaving. There is a market for him and a good price, plus he isn't an important first XI player.
As we don’t have lots to spend, we have to prioritise and for me we should focus on the first 11. Laca only makes the subs bench when everyone is fit (in my opinion as Auba and him don’t work well together) so yes happy to cash in to spend the money somewhere else where it’s needed more. I still rate him but we’ve also got to be aware of our bigger needs
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 54 seconds ago
It is why we are open to AMN leaving. There is a market for him and a good price, plus he isn't an important first XI player.
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Yeah agreed, he will be a loss but only a small one, other players can fill in where he would have done and our team won’t be much weaker for it, but if it gives us 50% of the money to buy Partey then it’s a no brainier for me
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 46 minutes ago
It is why we are open to AMN leaving. There is a market for him and a good price, plus he isn't an important first XI player.
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D'jeezus you talk a lot of sense lately. Agree with most of your thoughts. Everyone thinks that this is Fifa or Football manager that you can sell a player on a huge wage that isn't performing just like that. Who would pay Ozil 350k a week, and why would Ozil accept less than that when he can be here for another year on 350k. Same goes for Elneny, Kolasinac, and similar players. If we only sell one of them we can be lucky.
Ozil may accept a deal elsewhere now that he is in his final year. I hope a Turkish club will pay £2m-5m of his wages and take him. They then get an advantage of watching him play and option of signing him first for the longer term when his contract ends.
We need to pay off Ozil whatever left of his contract the man is a bad apple needs to be shipped OUT SOB.
Problem is we are normally told there is a particular transfer fund available, this year £30m. We then sell players and the transfer funds plus transfer fees for sales adds up to a lot less than we spend.
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem is we are normally told there is a particular transfer fund available, this year £30m. We then sell players and the transfer funds plus transfer fees for sales adds up to a lot less than we spend.
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No it doesn't. We were told we had £40m last year and our net spend was £95m.
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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 54 seconds ago
It is why we are open to AMN leaving. There is a market for him and a good price, plus he isn't an important first XI player.
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Yeah agreed, he will be a loss but only a small one, other players can fill in where he would have done and our team won’t be much weaker for it, but if it gives us 50% of the money to buy Partey then it’s a no brainier for me
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30 mil for AMN is a bum deal. And selling him at all is a bad move IMO. First off , he's better than Bellerin and Cedric (so far) at FB. He's a better MF now than Willock for sure (could change but for at least another season, he's better).
Then you add than any team buying him at the crap price we'll sell for, only has to start him all season and they'll easily be able to flip him for 50 mil. We are losing a top quality player who could yet become a star probably a bundle of money on his next transfer fee after or sale for peanuts. And all for a fee that can't even cover what is actually a paltry sum for an MF as good as Partey. It's counterproductive business.
As is selling Laca. We can't afford to/just won't pay for, a player as good as Laca to replace him. Eddie is nowhere near ready to shoulder than burden with Auba (think he'll be brilliant in a couple of years though). Once again. Substantially weakening one area of the team, in order to strengthen another. You cannot build a succesful team in the modern era buy robbing Peter to pay Paul within your squad.
Laca and AMN should be being kept. Whatever money we can make freeing up the actual squad trash, should then be added to by the owner. THAT'S how the other top teams get their top players. Also why they always outbid any Arsenal approach. THEIR owner are willing to pay up. So they don't have to loot and pillage their own playing assets to afford anyone.
Yeah, Liverpool prime example. Selling Suarez and Coutinho and buying Alisson and VvD. Robbed Peter to pay Paul, and look at them now. Total failure.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 7 minutes ago
Laca and AMN should be being kept. Whatever money we can make freeing up the actual squad trash, should then be added to by the owner. THAT'S how the other top teams get their top players. Also why they always outbid any Arsenal approach. THEIR owner are willing to pay up. So they don't have to loot and pillage their own playing assets to afford anyone.
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If we sell Laca then there has to be a replacemt brought in.
As for AMN, i think the board need to be very carefully with this. If we have to sell then surely they can look to offload Bellerin who will probably bring in a higher transfer fee
It may be the wish of AMN to move to MF behind that decision. If so it's still a dumbass deal when we're desperate for MFs. Because he's also at least as good as all we have bar Ceballos, if not better than all of them. So either way, whether we play him at WB or we play him in MF, he's better than what every player we have, barr one. He definitely is not one of the names which should be being listed at this point. Earliest we should even think about it is Jan. After we see whether he can make a genuine go of MF, under Arteta's wing (IMO feck yeah he can, it's a great match).
Stuff the handful of games he got off Wenger before being lumbered with RB due to injuries. You can't call that a focused run at the position. After his performances post lockdown and the potential he has shown in MF, giving him to another team for peanuts, to let them try it instead, is absolutely insane. We could be letting a crap tonne of money walk out the door. For the sake of 5 months to find out ourselves just how good he can be. At best we're selling of an asset we SHOULD be keeping. In a season where the billionaire owner has been given licence by UEFA to spend what he likes. The transfer team shouldn't HAVE to sell any player "To raise funds." Pepe, Jurgen, Frank and Ole don't have to. Why does our managfer/coach?
Chambers is a versatile players but not at the level of AMN. Very rare to have a player who can play in multiple positions and excel.
This season alone, he has locked down some of the best wingers in the league
I’m not against the transfer but It’s the rumoured sum which annoys me. £30M is not a lot.
Laca shouldnt be sold. But if we sell him we need a replacement for him and wouldnt it be much more expensive?
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 33 minutes ago
Yeah, Liverpool prime example. Selling Suarez and Coutinho and buying Alisson and VvD. Robbed Peter to pay Paul, and look at them now. Total failure.
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First off Klopp didn't HAVE to sell Coutinho to finance VVD. VVD is just the player he spent the bumper payday on. He sold Coutinho because Coutinho is was great in attack not so great at handling the high defensive work rate, Klopp way of playing.
That aside, your examples of Liverpool's transfer deals are:
The sale of Coutinho. A player our owner would never have coughed up for in the first place. Aka a player we could never own in the first place, to sell, for 100M
And
Suarez. The brilliant striker, we desperately needed but missed out on because the owner took the P's and only made the cheapest possible offer of £40,000,001.
You still seem to be missing the point entirely here. It's the willingness of Liverpool's owners to just cough up the transfer fee at the beginning. That is responsible for them making nearly 200 million off 2 players alone. Our owner will not do that. Which is why we never have any high value players to sell. Which is why we've been in this perpetual squad cycle, for the last ten years. Whilst all the other top teams who will pay just pay that fee, all got stronger.
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posted on 9/8/20
Will have to bring in another striker if Laca is sold
posted on 9/8/20
To get too 4 we can't have Auba as our only quality striker option. Martinelli is out until next year and Eddie isn't the guy.
posted on 9/8/20
Still expect a Laca for Partey exchange which has been rumoured for almost 6 months now.
posted on 9/8/20
I'd rather Torreira was the guy used as part of a deal for Partey. It's a shame that the likes of Laca, AMN & Bellerin have all the rumours. I think once we're clear of the obvious deadwood (Ozil, Elneny, Sokratis) then I would be more open to these players being sold... At the moment I just want certain players given away to clear up some funds.
posted on 9/8/20
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 45 minutes ago
I'd rather Torreira was the guy used as part of a deal for Partey. It's a shame that the likes of Laca, AMN & Bellerin have all the rumours. I think once we're clear of the obvious deadwood (Ozil, Elneny, Sokratis) then I would be more open to these players being sold... At the moment I just want certain players given away to clear up some funds.
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So you would wait another year or two until their contracts are up (Ozil, Sokratis, Elneny etc) to rebuild the squad?
Rather we were proactive and if good offers came in for dispensable players like Ains, Laca, Holding, Bellerin etc then we would take them and improve the first XI.
posted on 9/8/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 45 minutes ago
I'd rather Torreira was the guy used as part of a deal for Partey. It's a shame that the likes of Laca, AMN & Bellerin have all the rumours. I think once we're clear of the obvious deadwood (Ozil, Elneny, Sokratis) then I would be more open to these players being sold... At the moment I just want certain players given away to clear up some funds.
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So you would wait another year or two until their contracts are up (Ozil, Sokratis, Elneny etc) to rebuild the squad?
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The complete opposite. I'd take pretty much anything offered to get rid of them now.
posted on 9/8/20
But no-one will take them, and they won't go, thats the problem. Who on earth would take on Ozils wages, and why would Ozil leave - for example? Kolasinac is another we have no chance of getting rid of.
posted on 9/8/20
It is why we are open to AMN leaving. There is a market for him and a good price, plus he isn't an important first XI player.
posted on 9/8/20
As we don’t have lots to spend, we have to prioritise and for me we should focus on the first 11. Laca only makes the subs bench when everyone is fit (in my opinion as Auba and him don’t work well together) so yes happy to cash in to spend the money somewhere else where it’s needed more. I still rate him but we’ve also got to be aware of our bigger needs
posted on 9/8/20
Agree V.
posted on 9/8/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 54 seconds ago
It is why we are open to AMN leaving. There is a market for him and a good price, plus he isn't an important first XI player.
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Yeah agreed, he will be a loss but only a small one, other players can fill in where he would have done and our team won’t be much weaker for it, but if it gives us 50% of the money to buy Partey then it’s a no brainier for me
posted on 9/8/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 46 minutes ago
It is why we are open to AMN leaving. There is a market for him and a good price, plus he isn't an important first XI player.
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D'jeezus you talk a lot of sense lately. Agree with most of your thoughts. Everyone thinks that this is Fifa or Football manager that you can sell a player on a huge wage that isn't performing just like that. Who would pay Ozil 350k a week, and why would Ozil accept less than that when he can be here for another year on 350k. Same goes for Elneny, Kolasinac, and similar players. If we only sell one of them we can be lucky.
posted on 9/8/20
Ozil may accept a deal elsewhere now that he is in his final year. I hope a Turkish club will pay £2m-5m of his wages and take him. They then get an advantage of watching him play and option of signing him first for the longer term when his contract ends.
posted on 9/8/20
We need to pay off Ozil whatever left of his contract the man is a bad apple needs to be shipped OUT SOB.
posted on 9/8/20
Problem is we are normally told there is a particular transfer fund available, this year £30m. We then sell players and the transfer funds plus transfer fees for sales adds up to a lot less than we spend.
posted on 9/8/20
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem is we are normally told there is a particular transfer fund available, this year £30m. We then sell players and the transfer funds plus transfer fees for sales adds up to a lot less than we spend.
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No it doesn't. We were told we had £40m last year and our net spend was £95m.
posted on 9/8/20
comment by V - We played a little bit with the handbrake (U7971)
posted 3 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 54 seconds ago
It is why we are open to AMN leaving. There is a market for him and a good price, plus he isn't an important first XI player.
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Yeah agreed, he will be a loss but only a small one, other players can fill in where he would have done and our team won’t be much weaker for it, but if it gives us 50% of the money to buy Partey then it’s a no brainier for me
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30 mil for AMN is a bum deal. And selling him at all is a bad move IMO. First off , he's better than Bellerin and Cedric (so far) at FB. He's a better MF now than Willock for sure (could change but for at least another season, he's better).
Then you add than any team buying him at the crap price we'll sell for, only has to start him all season and they'll easily be able to flip him for 50 mil. We are losing a top quality player who could yet become a star probably a bundle of money on his next transfer fee after or sale for peanuts. And all for a fee that can't even cover what is actually a paltry sum for an MF as good as Partey. It's counterproductive business.
As is selling Laca. We can't afford to/just won't pay for, a player as good as Laca to replace him. Eddie is nowhere near ready to shoulder than burden with Auba (think he'll be brilliant in a couple of years though). Once again. Substantially weakening one area of the team, in order to strengthen another. You cannot build a succesful team in the modern era buy robbing Peter to pay Paul within your squad.
posted on 9/8/20
Laca and AMN should be being kept. Whatever money we can make freeing up the actual squad trash, should then be added to by the owner. THAT'S how the other top teams get their top players. Also why they always outbid any Arsenal approach. THEIR owner are willing to pay up. So they don't have to loot and pillage their own playing assets to afford anyone.
posted on 9/8/20
Yeah, Liverpool prime example. Selling Suarez and Coutinho and buying Alisson and VvD. Robbed Peter to pay Paul, and look at them now. Total failure.
posted on 9/8/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 7 minutes ago
Laca and AMN should be being kept. Whatever money we can make freeing up the actual squad trash, should then be added to by the owner. THAT'S how the other top teams get their top players. Also why they always outbid any Arsenal approach. THEIR owner are willing to pay up. So they don't have to loot and pillage their own playing assets to afford anyone.
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If we sell Laca then there has to be a replacemt brought in.
As for AMN, i think the board need to be very carefully with this. If we have to sell then surely they can look to offload Bellerin who will probably bring in a higher transfer fee
posted on 9/8/20
It may be the wish of AMN to move to MF behind that decision. If so it's still a dumbass deal when we're desperate for MFs. Because he's also at least as good as all we have bar Ceballos, if not better than all of them. So either way, whether we play him at WB or we play him in MF, he's better than what every player we have, barr one. He definitely is not one of the names which should be being listed at this point. Earliest we should even think about it is Jan. After we see whether he can make a genuine go of MF, under Arteta's wing (IMO feck yeah he can, it's a great match).
Stuff the handful of games he got off Wenger before being lumbered with RB due to injuries. You can't call that a focused run at the position. After his performances post lockdown and the potential he has shown in MF, giving him to another team for peanuts, to let them try it instead, is absolutely insane. We could be letting a crap tonne of money walk out the door. For the sake of 5 months to find out ourselves just how good he can be. At best we're selling of an asset we SHOULD be keeping. In a season where the billionaire owner has been given licence by UEFA to spend what he likes. The transfer team shouldn't HAVE to sell any player "To raise funds." Pepe, Jurgen, Frank and Ole don't have to. Why does our managfer/coach?
posted on 9/8/20
Chambers is a versatile players but not at the level of AMN. Very rare to have a player who can play in multiple positions and excel.
This season alone, he has locked down some of the best wingers in the league
posted on 9/8/20
I’m not against the transfer but It’s the rumoured sum which annoys me. £30M is not a lot.
posted on 9/8/20
Laca shouldnt be sold. But if we sell him we need a replacement for him and wouldnt it be much more expensive?
posted on 9/8/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 33 minutes ago
Yeah, Liverpool prime example. Selling Suarez and Coutinho and buying Alisson and VvD. Robbed Peter to pay Paul, and look at them now. Total failure.
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First off Klopp didn't HAVE to sell Coutinho to finance VVD. VVD is just the player he spent the bumper payday on. He sold Coutinho because Coutinho is was great in attack not so great at handling the high defensive work rate, Klopp way of playing.
That aside, your examples of Liverpool's transfer deals are:
The sale of Coutinho. A player our owner would never have coughed up for in the first place. Aka a player we could never own in the first place, to sell, for 100M
And
Suarez. The brilliant striker, we desperately needed but missed out on because the owner took the P's and only made the cheapest possible offer of £40,000,001.
You still seem to be missing the point entirely here. It's the willingness of Liverpool's owners to just cough up the transfer fee at the beginning. That is responsible for them making nearly 200 million off 2 players alone. Our owner will not do that. Which is why we never have any high value players to sell. Which is why we've been in this perpetual squad cycle, for the last ten years. Whilst all the other top teams who will pay just pay that fee, all got stronger.
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