-Only Pepe comes close to fitting into the type of transfer I mean. I'm saying the others were all make do in price for their position terms.
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Ozil was a massive fee at the time.
Xhaka and Mustafi in the top 20 at the time.
Stop rewriting history you complete nutcase.
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
This obviously all stems from his defence of Wenger. So he’s just making things up to try and rewrite history around that.
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comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 7 minutes ago
2013 - Ozil signed for £42.5 m
2014 - Alexis signed for £31.7 m
2017 - Lacazette signed for £46.5 m (plus bonuses)
2018 - Aubameyang signed for £56 m
2019 - Pepe signed for £72 m
Arsenal spend money.
Interestingly, none of those huge signings play in central positions. Positions we've most needed strengthening...
----------------------------------------------------------------------Only Pepe comes close to fitting into the type of transfer I mean. I'm saying the others were all make do in price for their position terms. Because the younger long term prospect as good as them would have cost far more money. It was ultimately the big move for VVD that was the crown to make pool kings. They didn't feck about buying a 30 year old for half the money. They bought the prime age star for top whack in a move we'd never make..
And btw what about all of the money spent by Pool strengthening their squad and trying allsorts for the ten years before 2013? Why do you act as though act as though it had no bearing on the state of the squads both teams had to proceed with from 2013 on.
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Seriously dude, why are you mentioning pre-2013 transfers, when DJ has just given you the clubs' respective trading in league positions over the past 5 seasons.
Because Liverpools squad that finished 8th was full of amazing players and so much depth.
Feel kinda bad for WB2 missing out on all the 'Carroll £35m ' years now
They had lost Gerrard, Suarez and Sterling and replaced them with Benteke, Grujic and Ings
Their big money (£8.5m) player Coutinho was the only quality they had.
Pretty impossible for them not to win the league by 20 odd points really.
If Arsenal had been bold and moved for Klopp when they should have this conversation would be a little bit different.
The deal that brought Petr Cech to Arsenal was the 6th highest amount ever paid for a keeper at the time.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 hours, 13 minutes ago
-Only Pepe comes close to fitting into the type of transfer I mean. I'm saying the others were all make do in price for their position terms.
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Ozil was a massive fee at the time.
Xhaka and Mustafi in the top 20 at the time.
Stop rewriting history you complete nutcase.
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You're the one rewriting history trying to say that any of those players aside from Pepe, cost anything near what the top transfer that year in their position did. Every single one of them is alot cheaper than that player would have been.
Instead of pretending we spent big like the other clubs ON TRANSFER FEES! Why don't you explaibn to me why we have always been outbid for the best players in football. Your "Everyone at the club is dumb," explanation doesn't cut it. Because even dumbasses can throw enough money at a deal.
We penny pinch as policy when it comes to a transfer window. That penny pinching is a big part of the problem. Where you see rampant incompetence, I see the overall agenda of a shady businessman who has never intended to win anything other than the fat share price he's now got.
Ozil was the most expensive Midfielder that transfer window, only bale, neymar and cavani were more expensive than him, should we have bought neymar?
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ozil was the most expensive Midfielder that transfer window, only bale, neymar and cavani were more expensive than him, should we have bought neymar?
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Given that we needed a striker at the time, I'm going to say yes. But he would have cost 60+ that's why we never got him. Because once again people were told "Fee's too high, find/buy someone else.
Geezer thinks Neymar was an option
Mustafi 3rd most expensive defender ever at October 2016...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/06/10-most-expensive-defenders-of-all-time---will-leonardo-bonucci/david-luiz0/
I don’t understand how someone can be so consistently wrong about these things, you still continue to argue it. He’s like your board’s RDD.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ozil was the most expensive Midfielder that transfer window, only bale, neymar and cavani were more expensive than him, should we have bought neymar?
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Given that we needed a striker at the time, I'm going to say yes. But he would have cost 60+ that's why we never got him. Because once again people were told "Fee's too high, find/buy someone else.
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But your point you put was
"You're the one rewriting history trying to say that any of those players aside from Pepe, cost anything near what the top transfer that year in their position did. Every single one of them is alot cheaper than that player would have been."
Which ozil was...
The fact we went from Suarez to Ozil shows the lack of planning we had around that time. Santi was our POTY and we desperately needed a striker but blew our entire budget on a position we didn't need.
The fact we went from Suarez to Ozil shows the lack of planning we had around that time. Santi was our POTY and we desperately needed a striker but blew our entire budget on a position we didn't need.
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Kinda my point re the budget. Explains why we didn't buy the Cavani we needed if the whole budget went on Ozil. Cavani was more money that we were allowed to spend. Ended up with Ozil so fans didn't go mad at yet another window with no big name.
Some things are poor organisation but some are just excessive financial limitation. And some of the first thing is brought about caused by the second thing. All I'm saying here.
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ozil was the most expensive Midfielder that transfer window, only bale, neymar and cavani were more expensive than him, should we have bought neymar?
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Given that we needed a striker at the time, I'm going to say yes. But he would have cost 60+ that's why we never got him. Because once again people were told "Fee's too high, find/buy someone else.
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But your point you put was
"You're the one rewriting history trying to say that any of those players aside from Pepe, cost anything near what the top transfer that year in their position did. Every single one of them is alot cheaper than that player would have been."
Which ozil was...
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Ozil was not the most valuable CAM in football at the time by any stretch so don't even.
But I find it interesting you want to be pedantic over that, rather than have to face the blatant fact we only got lumbered with Ozil due to not being allowed to buy the Cavani we needed. Despite having the money to do so.
But I guess us not being allowed to buy Cavani because he cost 20 mil more. That doesn't fit with your "They can spend as much as they like on a transfer fee." crap does it.
Now you can blame the transfer people for choosing Ozil when they could have got someone better for the 40 odd mil they could spend. But it is 100% the owner/board's fault that they only got 50 mil to spend in the first place. So had to go looking for Ozil after being told they couldn't have more to get Cavani.
Who are you quoting? I didn't say that
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
Who are you quoting? I didn't say that
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No, it's DJ pretending that Ozil was the MVP of CAMs at the time.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
Who are you quoting? I didn't say that
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No, it's DJ pretending that Ozil was the MVP of CAMs at the time.
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Erm, where did I say that? He certainly was very expensive when we signed him, that is the thing you are claiming isn't true. You are trying to claim £42.5m was a run of the mill fee when in fact it was top 10 transfer fees at the time. Only Torres from Liverpool to Chelsea topped it for PL clubs.
The Ozil fee was massive at the time. Cavani moved to PSG before we even bid for Suarez But we thought we were guaranteed to get Suarez because of the release clause
You're confusing "Most expensive CAM by default, due to no other as good as him moving in that window."
With
"CAM priced at what his talent and accolades say he's worth"
Becoming the first option does not automatically dictate he was the second option. It just means no other CAM as good as him or better, moved in that window. Jose under-priced Ozil to get shot in a hurry. The 80M that J.Rod went for the following summer, better quatifies what Ozil SHOULD have been costing us. Also what it like would have cost us to another CAM at Ozil's level.
Don't even know why ya arguing, you were on these boards at the same time as me, when all AFC fans that we'd got Ozil for "only 45 mil." So it isn't as though you don't know his actual price tag was well below what someone that good should have cost us. I'm still waiting for you to address why we couldn't get the 60M it would have cost for Cavani and wage?
Club definitely had it and the whole football world and their dogs, knew we need a top striker. So why wasn't Wenger given the cash for Cavani or another top striker who'd have cost similar? And don't come back with any "Oh he was but just didn't spend it," crap. Man had his back to the wall. If he could have just blown 60 mil to solve his problem, he would have.
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 1 day ago
I don’t understand how someone can be so consistently wrong about these things, you still continue to argue it. He’s like your board’s RDD.
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Dunno ask DJ or anyone else saying we spend cash on transfer FEES just like City/Utd/Chelsea. Because that's what I'm saying. And the top fees paid by those clubs for certain transfers of the years damn well prove that so I have no idea why they're arguing that.
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posted on 9/8/20
-Only Pepe comes close to fitting into the type of transfer I mean. I'm saying the others were all make do in price for their position terms.
------
Ozil was a massive fee at the time.
Xhaka and Mustafi in the top 20 at the time.
Stop rewriting history you complete nutcase.
posted on 9/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
This obviously all stems from his defence of Wenger. So he’s just making things up to try and rewrite history around that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This
posted on 9/8/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 7 minutes ago
2013 - Ozil signed for £42.5 m
2014 - Alexis signed for £31.7 m
2017 - Lacazette signed for £46.5 m (plus bonuses)
2018 - Aubameyang signed for £56 m
2019 - Pepe signed for £72 m
Arsenal spend money.
Interestingly, none of those huge signings play in central positions. Positions we've most needed strengthening...
----------------------------------------------------------------------Only Pepe comes close to fitting into the type of transfer I mean. I'm saying the others were all make do in price for their position terms. Because the younger long term prospect as good as them would have cost far more money. It was ultimately the big move for VVD that was the crown to make pool kings. They didn't feck about buying a 30 year old for half the money. They bought the prime age star for top whack in a move we'd never make..
And btw what about all of the money spent by Pool strengthening their squad and trying allsorts for the ten years before 2013? Why do you act as though act as though it had no bearing on the state of the squads both teams had to proceed with from 2013 on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seriously dude, why are you mentioning pre-2013 transfers, when DJ has just given you the clubs' respective trading in league positions over the past 5 seasons.
posted on 9/8/20
Because Liverpools squad that finished 8th was full of amazing players and so much depth.
posted on 9/8/20
Feel kinda bad for WB2 missing out on all the 'Carroll £35m ' years now
posted on 9/8/20
Ahh the good old days.
posted on 9/8/20
posted on 9/8/20
They had lost Gerrard, Suarez and Sterling and replaced them with Benteke, Grujic and Ings
Their big money (£8.5m) player Coutinho was the only quality they had.
Pretty impossible for them not to win the league by 20 odd points really.
posted on 9/8/20
If Arsenal had been bold and moved for Klopp when they should have this conversation would be a little bit different.
posted on 10/8/20
The deal that brought Petr Cech to Arsenal was the 6th highest amount ever paid for a keeper at the time.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 hours, 13 minutes ago
-Only Pepe comes close to fitting into the type of transfer I mean. I'm saying the others were all make do in price for their position terms.
------
Ozil was a massive fee at the time.
Xhaka and Mustafi in the top 20 at the time.
Stop rewriting history you complete nutcase.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're the one rewriting history trying to say that any of those players aside from Pepe, cost anything near what the top transfer that year in their position did. Every single one of them is alot cheaper than that player would have been.
Instead of pretending we spent big like the other clubs ON TRANSFER FEES! Why don't you explaibn to me why we have always been outbid for the best players in football. Your "Everyone at the club is dumb," explanation doesn't cut it. Because even dumbasses can throw enough money at a deal.
We penny pinch as policy when it comes to a transfer window. That penny pinching is a big part of the problem. Where you see rampant incompetence, I see the overall agenda of a shady businessman who has never intended to win anything other than the fat share price he's now got.
posted on 10/8/20
Ozil was the most expensive Midfielder that transfer window, only bale, neymar and cavani were more expensive than him, should we have bought neymar?
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ozil was the most expensive Midfielder that transfer window, only bale, neymar and cavani were more expensive than him, should we have bought neymar?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Given that we needed a striker at the time, I'm going to say yes. But he would have cost 60+ that's why we never got him. Because once again people were told "Fee's too high, find/buy someone else.
posted on 10/8/20
Geezer thinks Neymar was an option
Mustafi 3rd most expensive defender ever at October 2016...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/06/10-most-expensive-defenders-of-all-time---will-leonardo-bonucci/david-luiz0/
posted on 10/8/20
I don’t understand how someone can be so consistently wrong about these things, you still continue to argue it. He’s like your board’s RDD.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ozil was the most expensive Midfielder that transfer window, only bale, neymar and cavani were more expensive than him, should we have bought neymar?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Given that we needed a striker at the time, I'm going to say yes. But he would have cost 60+ that's why we never got him. Because once again people were told "Fee's too high, find/buy someone else.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But your point you put was
"You're the one rewriting history trying to say that any of those players aside from Pepe, cost anything near what the top transfer that year in their position did. Every single one of them is alot cheaper than that player would have been."
Which ozil was...
posted on 10/8/20
The fact we went from Suarez to Ozil shows the lack of planning we had around that time. Santi was our POTY and we desperately needed a striker but blew our entire budget on a position we didn't need.
posted on 10/8/20
The fact we went from Suarez to Ozil shows the lack of planning we had around that time. Santi was our POTY and we desperately needed a striker but blew our entire budget on a position we didn't need.
---------------------------------------------
Kinda my point re the budget. Explains why we didn't buy the Cavani we needed if the whole budget went on Ozil. Cavani was more money that we were allowed to spend. Ended up with Ozil so fans didn't go mad at yet another window with no big name.
Some things are poor organisation but some are just excessive financial limitation. And some of the first thing is brought about caused by the second thing. All I'm saying here.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ozil was the most expensive Midfielder that transfer window, only bale, neymar and cavani were more expensive than him, should we have bought neymar?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Given that we needed a striker at the time, I'm going to say yes. But he would have cost 60+ that's why we never got him. Because once again people were told "Fee's too high, find/buy someone else.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But your point you put was
"You're the one rewriting history trying to say that any of those players aside from Pepe, cost anything near what the top transfer that year in their position did. Every single one of them is alot cheaper than that player would have been."
Which ozil was...
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Ozil was not the most valuable CAM in football at the time by any stretch so don't even.
But I find it interesting you want to be pedantic over that, rather than have to face the blatant fact we only got lumbered with Ozil due to not being allowed to buy the Cavani we needed. Despite having the money to do so.
But I guess us not being allowed to buy Cavani because he cost 20 mil more. That doesn't fit with your "They can spend as much as they like on a transfer fee." crap does it.
Now you can blame the transfer people for choosing Ozil when they could have got someone better for the 40 odd mil they could spend. But it is 100% the owner/board's fault that they only got 50 mil to spend in the first place. So had to go looking for Ozil after being told they couldn't have more to get Cavani.
posted on 10/8/20
Who are you quoting? I didn't say that
posted on 11/8/20
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
Who are you quoting? I didn't say that
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No, it's DJ pretending that Ozil was the MVP of CAMs at the time.
posted on 11/8/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
Who are you quoting? I didn't say that
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No, it's DJ pretending that Ozil was the MVP of CAMs at the time.
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Erm, where did I say that? He certainly was very expensive when we signed him, that is the thing you are claiming isn't true. You are trying to claim £42.5m was a run of the mill fee when in fact it was top 10 transfer fees at the time. Only Torres from Liverpool to Chelsea topped it for PL clubs.
posted on 11/8/20
The Ozil fee was massive at the time. Cavani moved to PSG before we even bid for Suarez But we thought we were guaranteed to get Suarez because of the release clause
posted on 11/8/20
You're confusing "Most expensive CAM by default, due to no other as good as him moving in that window."
With
"CAM priced at what his talent and accolades say he's worth"
Becoming the first option does not automatically dictate he was the second option. It just means no other CAM as good as him or better, moved in that window. Jose under-priced Ozil to get shot in a hurry. The 80M that J.Rod went for the following summer, better quatifies what Ozil SHOULD have been costing us. Also what it like would have cost us to another CAM at Ozil's level.
Don't even know why ya arguing, you were on these boards at the same time as me, when all AFC fans that we'd got Ozil for "only 45 mil." So it isn't as though you don't know his actual price tag was well below what someone that good should have cost us. I'm still waiting for you to address why we couldn't get the 60M it would have cost for Cavani and wage?
Club definitely had it and the whole football world and their dogs, knew we need a top striker. So why wasn't Wenger given the cash for Cavani or another top striker who'd have cost similar? And don't come back with any "Oh he was but just didn't spend it," crap. Man had his back to the wall. If he could have just blown 60 mil to solve his problem, he would have.
posted on 11/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 1 day ago
I don’t understand how someone can be so consistently wrong about these things, you still continue to argue it. He’s like your board’s RDD.
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Dunno ask DJ or anyone else saying we spend cash on transfer FEES just like City/Utd/Chelsea. Because that's what I'm saying. And the top fees paid by those clubs for certain transfers of the years damn well prove that so I have no idea why they're arguing that.
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