Heating aside; this whole process has been a monumental fwck up.
On what basis does any examining board decide to ignore the grades proposed by the pupils own school and teachers?
I’d have thought you’d have to have a very good reason and not just put it down to postcode and history.
Shambolic.
Wait until the results are announced south of the border.
I don’t understand these claims that poorer schools suffered most. Nobody has explained it. Unless these schools were the ones with the most ‘optimistic’ teacher predictions? No, surely not?
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 40 seconds ago
I don’t understand these claims that poorer schools suffered most. Nobody has explained it. Unless these schools were the ones with the most ‘optimistic’ teacher predictions? No, surely not?
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Pretty poor standard of teachers if they were indeed trying it on.
Never mind the absolute mess that university clearing will become.
Everyone knows that the richer you are, the smarter you are so I have no problem with the system. We have an economy to run in the future and we need people who have plenty of experience with vast sums of money. Not some idiots who spent their childhood fighting for scraps of bread. The poor are lucky they get to go to school at all using my tax money.
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 59 seconds ago
Everyone knows that the richer you are, the smarter you are so I have no problem with the system. We have an economy to run in the future and we need people who have plenty of experience with vast sums of money. Not some idiots who spent their childhood fighting for scraps of bread. The poor are lucky they get to go to school at all using my tax money.
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100% agree with this
natural eugenics ensures the poor stay that way
and rightly so
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
Everyone knows that the richer you are, the smarter you are so I have no problem with the system. We have an economy to run in the future and we need people who have plenty of experience with vast sums of money. Not some idiots who spent their childhood fighting for scraps of bread. The poor are lucky they get to go to school at all using my tax money.
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Is that right, aye, Boris?
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
Everyone knows that the richer you are, the smarter you are so I have no problem with the system. We have an economy to run in the future and we need people who have plenty of experience with vast sums of money. Not some idiots who spent their childhood fighting for scraps of bread. The poor are lucky they get to go to school at all using my tax money.
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Confirms my suspicion that this is one of Ginger's log ins.
Ginger's 1st against the wall post revolution.
Getting a right good seeing to from Pointy.
comment by atheist (U2783)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ginger's 1st against the wall post revolution.
Getting a right good seeing to from Pointy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jefferson Airplane. 1969?
Up against the wall, muthafugga.
Rich people be like: stay away from the money, step back kindly now sir.
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
Everyone knows that the richer you are, the smarter you are so I have no problem with the system. We have an economy to run in the future and we need people who have plenty of experience with vast sums of money. Not some idiots who spent their childhood fighting for scraps of bread. The poor are lucky they get to go to school at all using my tax money.
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Confirms my suspicion that this is one of Ginger's log ins.
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I have been tempted in the past to pose as another poster but have seen how people react to anyone “new”; so no. Not me. Have never been anyone other than the username you see above unless I’ve lost a bet for a month or so.
My yoot got downgraded in exams. Struggled in his prelims due to a general sense of phuqqwhiterry but really cracked on since and still got downgraded below his prelim results!
Fvckin weans nooadays eh
Many years ago when I was a nipper ye did whit ye wer telt and took what ye were given oooh er missus
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Heating aside; this whole process has been a monumental fwck up.
On what basis does any examining board decide to ignore the grades proposed by the pupils own school and teachers?
I’d have thought you’d have to have a very good reason and not just put it down to postcode and history.
Shambolic.
Wait until the results are announced south of the border.
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You do realise that if the SQA had accepted all of the 'predictions' by the invested teachers, that exam passes would have gone up by 20%? A 20% increase in one year!! FFS. Who would've believed that??
I have insider knowledge on how pupils were graded by teachers.
Don't tell anyone
But
The teachers took into account prelim results, coursework, effort. From this they gave predicted grades. A good pupil who was ill or missed work and therefore struggled on prelim, reflected grade included this.
Now don't give away this insider secret information
Some schools from more affluent areas who have head teachers embedded within education in Scotland encouraged teachers to over predict by 10%
Politicos are adept in the art of dressing. Whether it's pigs, hoorz or randyandy. Utter shambles again with education. The last time they made an erse of it my other wean was involved. Not sure of the answers but snp as educators are utterly scheidt.
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Heating aside; this whole process has been a monumental fwck up.
On what basis does any examining board decide to ignore the grades proposed by the pupils own school and teachers?
I’d have thought you’d have to have a very good reason and not just put it down to postcode and history.
Shambolic.
Wait until the results are announced south of the border.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You do realise that if the SQA had accepted all of the 'predictions' by the invested teachers, that exam passes would have gone up by 20%? A 20% increase in one year!! FFS. Who would've believed that??
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
And where does this come from and why is it now necessary for the First Minister to demand action be taken?
A complete 180 from a few short days ago.
NoU turn mind.
Oh no siree.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Heating aside; this whole process has been a monumental fwck up.
On what basis does any examining board decide to ignore the grades proposed by the pupils own school and teachers?
I’d have thought you’d have to have a very good reason and not just put it down to postcode and history.
Shambolic.
Wait until the results are announced south of the border.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You do realise that if the SQA had accepted all of the 'predictions' by the invested teachers, that exam passes would have gone up by 20%? A 20% increase in one year!! FFS. Who would've believed that??
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
And where does this come from and why is it now necessary for the First Minister to demand action be taken?
A complete 180 from a few short days ago.
NoU turn mind.
Oh no siree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That seems a bit twee to say no u turn, when she’s stood in front of the country, said they’ve got it wrong and apologised.
It was always a no win situation. They had to introduce a system that gave grades, and that had to be moderated.
As Tully pointed out, by just accepting the grades teachers were suggesting, it would have seen an incredible rise in passes. The outcry by parents, teachers and pupils has meant that they’re probably going to bow to public pressure and award the grades pretty much in line with teacher recommendations.
It’s like the opening of schools. I watched a Q&A session with John Swinney and some parents association, and the comments on the screen were ridiculous.
It was just parents moaning about the SNP and wanting their kids back at school. Most of them were probably just sick of the sight of their own children. They’ve bowed to that public pressure, and now they’ll take the heat the first outbreak that happens at a school-and there will be at least one.
comment by HelpMordorPolis (U4292)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
My yoot got downgraded in exams. Struggled in his prelims due to a general sense of phuqqwhiterry but really cracked on since and still got downgraded below his prelim results!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds a bit like Hearts tbh? They were just about to go on a run...
I know kids that fook about then get straight As. A few smart erses that waltzed into their prelims, signed their paper and waltzed back out. Not so smart now?
CS is painting a picture blaming affluent schools? What is missing is hard data, school by school, year by year, predicted versus actual. Then we can see for ourselves who played silly buggers this year and who plays silly buggers every year.
SQA ought to get on top of this if the truth is to come out because there will be only one winner if they let politics and spin play out. As it is the head honcho is likely to get the tin tack so may as well go down fighting unless they are pining for an OBE or something?
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The Guardian is reporting today that in England '39% of teachers' predictions are set to be downgraded by Ofqual'.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Heating aside; this whole process has been a monumental fwck up.
On what basis does any examining board decide to ignore the grades proposed by the pupils own school and teachers?
I’d have thought you’d have to have a very good reason and not just put it down to postcode and history.
Shambolic.
Wait until the results are announced south of the border.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You do realise that if the SQA had accepted all of the 'predictions' by the invested teachers, that exam passes would have gone up by 20%? A 20% increase in one year!! FFS. Who would've believed that??
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
And where does this come from and why is it now necessary for the First Minister to demand action be taken?
A complete 180 from a few short days ago.
NoU turn mind.
Oh no siree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That seems a bit twee to say no u turn, when she’s stood in front of the country, said they’ve got it wrong and apologised.
It was always a no win situation. They had to introduce a system that gave grades, and that had to be moderated.
As Tully pointed out, by just accepting the grades teachers were suggesting, it would have seen an incredible rise in passes. The outcry by parents, teachers and pupils has meant that they’re probably going to bow to public pressure and award the grades pretty much in line with teacher recommendations.
It’s like the opening of schools. I watched a Q&A session with John Swinney and some parents association, and the comments on the screen were ridiculous.
It was just parents moaning about the SNP and wanting their kids back at school. Most of them were probably just sick of the sight of their own children. They’ve bowed to that public pressure, and now they’ll take the heat the first outbreak that happens at a school-and there will be at least one.
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She was asked the direct question “is this a U turn”. Fobbed and muddied the waters as per when she is fond of using the phrase herself.
Same as the rest.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by HelpMordorPolis (U4292)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
My yoot got downgraded in exams. Struggled in his prelims due to a general sense of phuqqwhiterry but really cracked on since and still got downgraded below his prelim results!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds a bit like Hearts tbh? They were just about to go on a run...
I know kids that fook about then get straight As. A few smart erses that waltzed into their prelims, signed their paper and waltzed back out. Not so smart now?
CS is painting a picture blaming affluent schools? What is missing is hard data, school by school, year by year, predicted versus actual. Then we can see for ourselves who played silly buggers this year and who plays silly buggers every year.
SQA ought to get on top of this if the truth is to come out because there will be only one winner if they let politics and spin play out. As it is the head honcho is likely to get the tin tack so may as well go down fighting unless they are pining for an OBE or something?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with Silver that having sight of the hard data on a teacher's record of predictions as opposed to actual would be very helpful. That, coupled with detail on the individual pupil's past performance and the school track record would also be helpful indicators and collectively and in general terms, they should provide the basis for a starting point in awarding scores
However, they are pretty blunt instruments and what is definitely needed is an open and transparent appeals process whereby the pupil can appeal if they feel their award is unfair. That already happens in Scotland, however, and quite inexplicably as far as I am concerned there is no such right for pupils in England, there, only schools and not individual pupils can appeal.
In truth, however, there is no simple solution to a situation whereby the tradition has been that final marks are decided by exam and what to do in the circumstances where there has not been a final exam. Pupil and school past performance record, teachers' predictions moderated and the right of individual appeal appears to offer a fair way to resolve the situation.
The whole grades thing was doomed to failure no matter what approach was taken.
They are getting accused of postcode pottery when in reality it was more affluent schools over grading. Had they gone with 100% of teachers estimations then Scottish Tories would have accused the government of buying people with grades
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posted on 10/8/20
Heating aside; this whole process has been a monumental fwck up.
On what basis does any examining board decide to ignore the grades proposed by the pupils own school and teachers?
I’d have thought you’d have to have a very good reason and not just put it down to postcode and history.
Shambolic.
Wait until the results are announced south of the border.
posted on 10/8/20
I don’t understand these claims that poorer schools suffered most. Nobody has explained it. Unless these schools were the ones with the most ‘optimistic’ teacher predictions? No, surely not?
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 40 seconds ago
I don’t understand these claims that poorer schools suffered most. Nobody has explained it. Unless these schools were the ones with the most ‘optimistic’ teacher predictions? No, surely not?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pretty poor standard of teachers if they were indeed trying it on.
Never mind the absolute mess that university clearing will become.
posted on 10/8/20
Everyone knows that the richer you are, the smarter you are so I have no problem with the system. We have an economy to run in the future and we need people who have plenty of experience with vast sums of money. Not some idiots who spent their childhood fighting for scraps of bread. The poor are lucky they get to go to school at all using my tax money.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 59 seconds ago
Everyone knows that the richer you are, the smarter you are so I have no problem with the system. We have an economy to run in the future and we need people who have plenty of experience with vast sums of money. Not some idiots who spent their childhood fighting for scraps of bread. The poor are lucky they get to go to school at all using my tax money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
100% agree with this
natural eugenics ensures the poor stay that way
and rightly so
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
Everyone knows that the richer you are, the smarter you are so I have no problem with the system. We have an economy to run in the future and we need people who have plenty of experience with vast sums of money. Not some idiots who spent their childhood fighting for scraps of bread. The poor are lucky they get to go to school at all using my tax money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that right, aye, Boris?
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
Everyone knows that the richer you are, the smarter you are so I have no problem with the system. We have an economy to run in the future and we need people who have plenty of experience with vast sums of money. Not some idiots who spent their childhood fighting for scraps of bread. The poor are lucky they get to go to school at all using my tax money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Confirms my suspicion that this is one of Ginger's log ins.
posted on 10/8/20
Ginger's 1st against the wall post revolution.
Getting a right good seeing to from Pointy.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by atheist (U2783)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ginger's 1st against the wall post revolution.
Getting a right good seeing to from Pointy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jefferson Airplane. 1969?
Up against the wall, muthafugga.
posted on 10/8/20
Rich people be like: stay away from the money, step back kindly now sir.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
Everyone knows that the richer you are, the smarter you are so I have no problem with the system. We have an economy to run in the future and we need people who have plenty of experience with vast sums of money. Not some idiots who spent their childhood fighting for scraps of bread. The poor are lucky they get to go to school at all using my tax money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Confirms my suspicion that this is one of Ginger's log ins.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have been tempted in the past to pose as another poster but have seen how people react to anyone “new”; so no. Not me. Have never been anyone other than the username you see above unless I’ve lost a bet for a month or so.
posted on 10/8/20
My yoot got downgraded in exams. Struggled in his prelims due to a general sense of phuqqwhiterry but really cracked on since and still got downgraded below his prelim results!
posted on 10/8/20
Fvckin weans nooadays eh
Many years ago when I was a nipper ye did whit ye wer telt and took what ye were given oooh er missus
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Heating aside; this whole process has been a monumental fwck up.
On what basis does any examining board decide to ignore the grades proposed by the pupils own school and teachers?
I’d have thought you’d have to have a very good reason and not just put it down to postcode and history.
Shambolic.
Wait until the results are announced south of the border.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You do realise that if the SQA had accepted all of the 'predictions' by the invested teachers, that exam passes would have gone up by 20%? A 20% increase in one year!! FFS. Who would've believed that??
posted on 10/8/20
I have insider knowledge on how pupils were graded by teachers.
Don't tell anyone
But
The teachers took into account prelim results, coursework, effort. From this they gave predicted grades. A good pupil who was ill or missed work and therefore struggled on prelim, reflected grade included this.
Now don't give away this insider secret information
Some schools from more affluent areas who have head teachers embedded within education in Scotland encouraged teachers to over predict by 10%
posted on 10/8/20
Politicos are adept in the art of dressing. Whether it's pigs, hoorz or randyandy. Utter shambles again with education. The last time they made an erse of it my other wean was involved. Not sure of the answers but snp as educators are utterly scheidt.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Heating aside; this whole process has been a monumental fwck up.
On what basis does any examining board decide to ignore the grades proposed by the pupils own school and teachers?
I’d have thought you’d have to have a very good reason and not just put it down to postcode and history.
Shambolic.
Wait until the results are announced south of the border.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You do realise that if the SQA had accepted all of the 'predictions' by the invested teachers, that exam passes would have gone up by 20%? A 20% increase in one year!! FFS. Who would've believed that??
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
And where does this come from and why is it now necessary for the First Minister to demand action be taken?
A complete 180 from a few short days ago.
NoU turn mind.
Oh no siree.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Heating aside; this whole process has been a monumental fwck up.
On what basis does any examining board decide to ignore the grades proposed by the pupils own school and teachers?
I’d have thought you’d have to have a very good reason and not just put it down to postcode and history.
Shambolic.
Wait until the results are announced south of the border.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You do realise that if the SQA had accepted all of the 'predictions' by the invested teachers, that exam passes would have gone up by 20%? A 20% increase in one year!! FFS. Who would've believed that??
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
And where does this come from and why is it now necessary for the First Minister to demand action be taken?
A complete 180 from a few short days ago.
NoU turn mind.
Oh no siree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That seems a bit twee to say no u turn, when she’s stood in front of the country, said they’ve got it wrong and apologised.
It was always a no win situation. They had to introduce a system that gave grades, and that had to be moderated.
As Tully pointed out, by just accepting the grades teachers were suggesting, it would have seen an incredible rise in passes. The outcry by parents, teachers and pupils has meant that they’re probably going to bow to public pressure and award the grades pretty much in line with teacher recommendations.
It’s like the opening of schools. I watched a Q&A session with John Swinney and some parents association, and the comments on the screen were ridiculous.
It was just parents moaning about the SNP and wanting their kids back at school. Most of them were probably just sick of the sight of their own children. They’ve bowed to that public pressure, and now they’ll take the heat the first outbreak that happens at a school-and there will be at least one.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by HelpMordorPolis (U4292)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
My yoot got downgraded in exams. Struggled in his prelims due to a general sense of phuqqwhiterry but really cracked on since and still got downgraded below his prelim results!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds a bit like Hearts tbh? They were just about to go on a run...
I know kids that fook about then get straight As. A few smart erses that waltzed into their prelims, signed their paper and waltzed back out. Not so smart now?
CS is painting a picture blaming affluent schools? What is missing is hard data, school by school, year by year, predicted versus actual. Then we can see for ourselves who played silly buggers this year and who plays silly buggers every year.
SQA ought to get on top of this if the truth is to come out because there will be only one winner if they let politics and spin play out. As it is the head honcho is likely to get the tin tack so may as well go down fighting unless they are pining for an OBE or something?
posted on 10/8/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/8/20
The Guardian is reporting today that in England '39% of teachers' predictions are set to be downgraded by Ofqual'.
posted on 11/8/20
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Heating aside; this whole process has been a monumental fwck up.
On what basis does any examining board decide to ignore the grades proposed by the pupils own school and teachers?
I’d have thought you’d have to have a very good reason and not just put it down to postcode and history.
Shambolic.
Wait until the results are announced south of the border.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You do realise that if the SQA had accepted all of the 'predictions' by the invested teachers, that exam passes would have gone up by 20%? A 20% increase in one year!! FFS. Who would've believed that??
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
And where does this come from and why is it now necessary for the First Minister to demand action be taken?
A complete 180 from a few short days ago.
NoU turn mind.
Oh no siree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That seems a bit twee to say no u turn, when she’s stood in front of the country, said they’ve got it wrong and apologised.
It was always a no win situation. They had to introduce a system that gave grades, and that had to be moderated.
As Tully pointed out, by just accepting the grades teachers were suggesting, it would have seen an incredible rise in passes. The outcry by parents, teachers and pupils has meant that they’re probably going to bow to public pressure and award the grades pretty much in line with teacher recommendations.
It’s like the opening of schools. I watched a Q&A session with John Swinney and some parents association, and the comments on the screen were ridiculous.
It was just parents moaning about the SNP and wanting their kids back at school. Most of them were probably just sick of the sight of their own children. They’ve bowed to that public pressure, and now they’ll take the heat the first outbreak that happens at a school-and there will be at least one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She was asked the direct question “is this a U turn”. Fobbed and muddied the waters as per when she is fond of using the phrase herself.
Same as the rest.
posted on 11/8/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/8/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by HelpMordorPolis (U4292)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
My yoot got downgraded in exams. Struggled in his prelims due to a general sense of phuqqwhiterry but really cracked on since and still got downgraded below his prelim results!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds a bit like Hearts tbh? They were just about to go on a run...
I know kids that fook about then get straight As. A few smart erses that waltzed into their prelims, signed their paper and waltzed back out. Not so smart now?
CS is painting a picture blaming affluent schools? What is missing is hard data, school by school, year by year, predicted versus actual. Then we can see for ourselves who played silly buggers this year and who plays silly buggers every year.
SQA ought to get on top of this if the truth is to come out because there will be only one winner if they let politics and spin play out. As it is the head honcho is likely to get the tin tack so may as well go down fighting unless they are pining for an OBE or something?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with Silver that having sight of the hard data on a teacher's record of predictions as opposed to actual would be very helpful. That, coupled with detail on the individual pupil's past performance and the school track record would also be helpful indicators and collectively and in general terms, they should provide the basis for a starting point in awarding scores
However, they are pretty blunt instruments and what is definitely needed is an open and transparent appeals process whereby the pupil can appeal if they feel their award is unfair. That already happens in Scotland, however, and quite inexplicably as far as I am concerned there is no such right for pupils in England, there, only schools and not individual pupils can appeal.
In truth, however, there is no simple solution to a situation whereby the tradition has been that final marks are decided by exam and what to do in the circumstances where there has not been a final exam. Pupil and school past performance record, teachers' predictions moderated and the right of individual appeal appears to offer a fair way to resolve the situation.
posted on 11/8/20
The whole grades thing was doomed to failure no matter what approach was taken.
They are getting accused of postcode pottery when in reality it was more affluent schools over grading. Had they gone with 100% of teachers estimations then Scottish Tories would have accused the government of buying people with grades
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