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posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
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This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
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And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
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and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
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I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
The death rate is bad (small differences in percentages are massive when considered in the scale of human populations), it is highly contagious and the long term effects for some people are shaping up to be worse than I'm sure most people expected.
We've seen measures brought in across the world that haven't been seen in most peoples life times. Yet there have still been many many deaths.
People who associate this with being similar to what we consider standard flu (which is in fact many different strains anyway) are jumping the gun big time, there are still too many unknowns (we already have evidence the effects are different and long term that picture is very much still developing).
"Spanish flu" for instance most devastated what we would consider the least likely part of the population to suffer - young to middle aged adults while the elderly, very young were less effected.
These new flu's aren't simple at all, treating something like Covid-19 with extreme caution when it does already stack up as being more deadly and harmful long term is sensible imo.
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comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
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And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
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and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
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I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
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yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 9 minutes ago
right but again, how many people die of other diseases that we don't feel obliged to limit freedoms about?
its like covid is the only killer out there.
diseases with far higher mortality rates are just ignored, surgeries cancelled, testing delayed, products and goods that are linked to these diseases freely sold
you cant suddenly be all about protecting people from this illness then go down the pub drink a carcinogen, smoke a carcinogen, drive your car on roads with a far higher death rate etc etc
why is this one so special to you snowflakes?
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You are either spectacularly incapable of absorbing information or so wedded to your preconceived notions that you willfully ignore anything that contradicts them. This year already in the UK over 60k people have died OVER AND ABOVE THE AVERAGE. That's excess deaths. Sixty thousand people who wouldn't have died this year.
Frame it how you like, but what you are advocating is avoidable premature death on a mass scale. Personally, I think the preservation of human life is a key tenet of civilisation, and I want as few people as possible to go through what my family experienced during the pandemic. I struggle to express my contempt for your use of the childish and empty clichéd term 'snowflake' to dismiss this stance.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
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comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
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And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
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and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
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I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
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yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
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Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 9 minutes ago
right but again, how many people die of other diseases that we don't feel obliged to limit freedoms about?
its like covid is the only killer out there.
diseases with far higher mortality rates are just ignored, surgeries cancelled, testing delayed, products and goods that are linked to these diseases freely sold
you cant suddenly be all about protecting people from this illness then go down the pub drink a carcinogen, smoke a carcinogen, drive your car on roads with a far higher death rate etc etc
why is this one so special to you snowflakes?
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You are either spectacularly incapable of absorbing information or so wedded to your preconceived notions that you willfully ignore anything that contradicts them. This year already in the UK over 60k people have died OVER AND ABOVE THE AVERAGE. That's excess deaths. Sixty thousand people who wouldn't have died this year.
Frame it how you like, but what you are advocating is avoidable premature death on a mass scale. Personally, I think the preservation of human life is a key tenet of civilisation, and I want as few people as possible to go through what my family experienced during the pandemic. I struggle to express my contempt for your use of the childish and empty clichéd term 'snowflake' to dismiss this stance.
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correct
and go look up how many of those people died because they couldn't get cancer treatment.
cancer research have been very vocal that far more than that are going to die in th coming months because of this.
and of that 60k more than usual, how many ACTUALLY had covid, or just assumed, or did you just hear we've lost 60k more and assume it must be covid?
moron
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
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And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
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and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
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I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
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yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
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Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
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so sweetheart we know flu kills 0.1% do you also support us going into lockdown every winter to save those souls
or do you only support the 0.3% for covid?
cant have it both ways princess
all these people pretending to be civilization first and that they care about the lives of the masses are beyond hypocritical.
you say avoidable deaths.
so I assume then, one by one, you will all reply to this with your undying support to the
immediate ban of cigarrettes
immediate ban of alcohol
immediate ban on all fast foods/sweets/unhealthy junk foods
immediate ban on all greenhouse gases
because you care about the greater good right?
no didn't think so, you've just got on one half educated crusade and are happy to turn a blind eye to all the other avoidable causes of deaths to support your agenda.
I give up, we just have to face the fact that people like this Jim character are always going to be feckin dumb as a box of frogs
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
I give up, we just have to face the fact that people like this Jim character are always going to be feckin dumb as a box of frogs
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of course you give up
because you cant accept simple facts
22% of all deaths in the UK are avoidable
you don't give two F's about those causes but you want to ruin peoples lives to protect them from a nasty flu.
thats why you're giving up princess. your crusade conflicts with your views on other subjects and you know it
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posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
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yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
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Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
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so sweetheart we know flu kills 0.1% do you also support us going into lockdown every winter to save those souls
or do you only support the 0.3% for covid?
cant have it both ways princess
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What if the death rate due to social distancing and low viral load is 0.3% but it is/would be significantly higher when exposure is greater as it would be without lock downs?
*As demonstrated by high death rates of healthcare and public transport workers for instance.
What if as it's shaping up that the death rate is merely one factor while a chunk of those who recover suffer long term effects?
Far too much is still unknown and already known for the frankly stupid pov you're trying to argue.
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
I give up, we just have to face the fact that people like this Jim character are always going to be feckin dumb as a box of frogs
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Yes I just replied to his nonsense but regret it. Guy is either a wum or beyond help.
What also isn't mentioned is that due to the measures put in place and the changes to people's lifestyles to fight COVID-19, we'll also see less deaths from flu than normal. So whilst excess deaths shows part of the story, over 60k at present, this would obviously have been much higher had there been no measures put in place.
People are stupid. Conspiracy theories are getting really dangerous as many people don't have the intelligence to not believe something just because somebody said it and to actually look at the facts and figures themselves.
I meet very few people in work and even in my family who don't think this is all one big joke, a way for governments across the world to control us. It's amazing. Some of these believe the Queen is a lizard person and many of them believe Bill Gates is running a paedophile ring, who created 5g, in order to create COVID-19, to make money. The mind bloody boggles.
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 9 minutes ago
right but again, how many people die of other diseases that we don't feel obliged to limit freedoms about?
its like covid is the only killer out there.
diseases with far higher mortality rates are just ignored, surgeries cancelled, testing delayed, products and goods that are linked to these diseases freely sold
you cant suddenly be all about protecting people from this illness then go down the pub drink a carcinogen, smoke a carcinogen, drive your car on roads with a far higher death rate etc etc
why is this one so special to you snowflakes?
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You are either spectacularly incapable of absorbing information or so wedded to your preconceived notions that you willfully ignore anything that contradicts them. This year already in the UK over 60k people have died OVER AND ABOVE THE AVERAGE. That's excess deaths. Sixty thousand people who wouldn't have died this year.
Frame it how you like, but what you are advocating is avoidable premature death on a mass scale. Personally, I think the preservation of human life is a key tenet of civilisation, and I want as few people as possible to go through what my family experienced during the pandemic. I struggle to express my contempt for your use of the childish and empty clichéd term 'snowflake' to dismiss this stance.
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correct
and go look up how many of those people died because they couldn't get cancer treatment.
cancer research have been very vocal that far more than that are going to die in th coming months because of this.
and of that 60k more than usual, how many ACTUALLY had covid, or just assumed, or did you just hear we've lost 60k more and assume it must be covid?
moron
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Official figures suggest that at least three quarters of the UK deaths were Covid, and many died in care homes ravaged by the disease without testing, often with the result that Covid was not put on the death certificate.
On previous threads you have been presented with and ignored evidence that cancer treatment has continued during the pandemic. That said, I'm sure there will be deaths as a result of the squeeze on resources caused by Covid. The only solution to this is to try to get Covid under control. The countries that succeeded in doing so through decisive action have seen not only fewer Covid deaths, but a shorter lockdown, less economic damage, and less impact on heathcare provision for other conditions.
What you appear to advocate - ignoring Covid, prioritising other things - would have Covid cases and deaths soaring, particularly affecting people with other conditions such as cancer, overwhelming hospitals so they are again less capable of safely treating patients with all conditions.
I hope, despite your insults directed to someone dealing with bereavement from Covid, that none of your loved ones is affected by this horrendous situation, which has been tragically exacerbated by denial of science on a government level.
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comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
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so sweetheart we know flu kills 0.1% do you also support us going into lockdown every winter to save those souls
or do you only support the 0.3% for covid?
cant have it both ways princess
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What if the death rate due to social distancing and low viral load is 0.3% but it is/would be significantly higher when exposure is greater as it would be without lock downs?
*As demonstrated by high death rates of healthcare and public transport workers for instance.
What if as it's shaping up that the death rate is merely one factor while a chunk of those who recover suffer long term effects?
Far too much is still unknown and already known for the frankly stupid pov you're trying to argue.
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this might be the stupidest post ive seen so far
the death rate has nothing to do with number of cases its the mortality of those that have it.
which we've already established is inflated anyway. anyone with any symptoms similar to flu..cough cough...are getting covid not he death certificate.
so what we know is, the case numbers are vastly under reported and deaths are over reported.
and again what long term effect do you think all those with really bad diseases denied treatment will have?
what long term effects do you think those cast into poverty will have.
these views always seem to be spouted by the comfortable workers just enjoying a couple months not having to go into the office.
funny that
The government control thing is hilarious. As if countries really want this amount of bullshat in their lives right now ffs.
Official figures suggest that at least three quarters of the UK deaths were Covid, and many died in care homes ravaged by the disease without testing, often with the result that Covid was not put on the death certificate.
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accept its now accepted authorities were just sticking covid down when it wasn't even actually diagnosed....
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posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
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so sweetheart we know flu kills 0.1% do you also support us going into lockdown every winter to save those souls
or do you only support the 0.3% for covid?
cant have it both ways princess
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if the death rate due to social distancing and low viral load is 0.3% but it is/would be significantly higher when exposure is greater as it would be without lock downs?
*As demonstrated by high death rates of healthcare and public transport workers for instance.
What if as it's shaping up that the death rate is merely one factor while a chunk of those who recover suffer long term effects?
Far too much is still unknown and already known for the frankly stupid pov you're trying to argue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this might be the stupidest post ive seen so far
the death rate has nothing to do with number of cases its the mortality of those that have it.
which we've already established is inflated anyway. anyone with any symptoms similar to flu..cough cough...are getting covid not he death certificate.
so what we know is, the case numbers are vastly under reported and deaths are over reported.
and again what long term effect do you think all those with really bad diseases denied treatment will have?
what long term effects do you think those cast into poverty will have.
these views always seem to be spouted by the comfortable workers just enjoying a couple months not having to go into the office.
funny that
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even the most basic understanding of my comment is clearly missed here. You're beyond help
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On Sept 17th last year, The Federal Reserve began pumping billions upon billions into a failing financial system.
A few months later we have a germ that as bad as it can be for some, has been spectacularly over-hyped for some reason. It's hysterical insanity.
Now we have a situation where the germ is being blamed for the economic problems that we face..........despite the fact that the printing hasn't stopped since September?
I do believe the germ exists but I also believe the hype has been hysterical.
I don't believe in coincidences.
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comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 10 minutes ago
Official figures suggest that at least three quarters of the UK deaths were Covid, and many died in care homes ravaged by the disease without testing, often with the result that Covid was not put on the death certificate.
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accept its now accepted authorities were just sticking covid down when it wasn't even actually diagnosed....
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'The authorities'? Doctors define cause of death, not 'the authorities', so death certificate and diagnosis aren't going to diverge except in the rare cases of a post mortem. As for the UK government at least, they have no motive for exaggerating the numbers of Covid-19 deaths. They are taking lots of heat for having the highest numbers in Europe. They are also keen to open things up and have been frustrated on more than one occasion when inconvenient reality forced U-turns. So who are these 'authorities' who are misleading us? Doctors and epidemiologists?
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posted 6 hours, 27 minutes ago
Just to add.... these family member range from 22-54. The 22 year old is a sportsman and is the one finding it hardest to recover
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A lot of healthy young people die from the flu every year too so what's your point exactly?
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
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and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
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I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
posted on 14/8/20
The death rate is bad (small differences in percentages are massive when considered in the scale of human populations), it is highly contagious and the long term effects for some people are shaping up to be worse than I'm sure most people expected.
We've seen measures brought in across the world that haven't been seen in most peoples life times. Yet there have still been many many deaths.
People who associate this with being similar to what we consider standard flu (which is in fact many different strains anyway) are jumping the gun big time, there are still too many unknowns (we already have evidence the effects are different and long term that picture is very much still developing).
"Spanish flu" for instance most devastated what we would consider the least likely part of the population to suffer - young to middle aged adults while the elderly, very young were less effected.
These new flu's aren't simple at all, treating something like Covid-19 with extreme caution when it does already stack up as being more deadly and harmful long term is sensible imo.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
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yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 9 minutes ago
right but again, how many people die of other diseases that we don't feel obliged to limit freedoms about?
its like covid is the only killer out there.
diseases with far higher mortality rates are just ignored, surgeries cancelled, testing delayed, products and goods that are linked to these diseases freely sold
you cant suddenly be all about protecting people from this illness then go down the pub drink a carcinogen, smoke a carcinogen, drive your car on roads with a far higher death rate etc etc
why is this one so special to you snowflakes?
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You are either spectacularly incapable of absorbing information or so wedded to your preconceived notions that you willfully ignore anything that contradicts them. This year already in the UK over 60k people have died OVER AND ABOVE THE AVERAGE. That's excess deaths. Sixty thousand people who wouldn't have died this year.
Frame it how you like, but what you are advocating is avoidable premature death on a mass scale. Personally, I think the preservation of human life is a key tenet of civilisation, and I want as few people as possible to go through what my family experienced during the pandemic. I struggle to express my contempt for your use of the childish and empty clichéd term 'snowflake' to dismiss this stance.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
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Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 9 minutes ago
right but again, how many people die of other diseases that we don't feel obliged to limit freedoms about?
its like covid is the only killer out there.
diseases with far higher mortality rates are just ignored, surgeries cancelled, testing delayed, products and goods that are linked to these diseases freely sold
you cant suddenly be all about protecting people from this illness then go down the pub drink a carcinogen, smoke a carcinogen, drive your car on roads with a far higher death rate etc etc
why is this one so special to you snowflakes?
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You are either spectacularly incapable of absorbing information or so wedded to your preconceived notions that you willfully ignore anything that contradicts them. This year already in the UK over 60k people have died OVER AND ABOVE THE AVERAGE. That's excess deaths. Sixty thousand people who wouldn't have died this year.
Frame it how you like, but what you are advocating is avoidable premature death on a mass scale. Personally, I think the preservation of human life is a key tenet of civilisation, and I want as few people as possible to go through what my family experienced during the pandemic. I struggle to express my contempt for your use of the childish and empty clichéd term 'snowflake' to dismiss this stance.
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correct
and go look up how many of those people died because they couldn't get cancer treatment.
cancer research have been very vocal that far more than that are going to die in th coming months because of this.
and of that 60k more than usual, how many ACTUALLY had covid, or just assumed, or did you just hear we've lost 60k more and assume it must be covid?
moron
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
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so sweetheart we know flu kills 0.1% do you also support us going into lockdown every winter to save those souls
or do you only support the 0.3% for covid?
cant have it both ways princess
posted on 14/8/20
all these people pretending to be civilization first and that they care about the lives of the masses are beyond hypocritical.
you say avoidable deaths.
so I assume then, one by one, you will all reply to this with your undying support to the
immediate ban of cigarrettes
immediate ban of alcohol
immediate ban on all fast foods/sweets/unhealthy junk foods
immediate ban on all greenhouse gases
because you care about the greater good right?
no didn't think so, you've just got on one half educated crusade and are happy to turn a blind eye to all the other avoidable causes of deaths to support your agenda.
posted on 14/8/20
I give up, we just have to face the fact that people like this Jim character are always going to be feckin dumb as a box of frogs
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
I give up, we just have to face the fact that people like this Jim character are always going to be feckin dumb as a box of frogs
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of course you give up
because you cant accept simple facts
22% of all deaths in the UK are avoidable
you don't give two F's about those causes but you want to ruin peoples lives to protect them from a nasty flu.
thats why you're giving up princess. your crusade conflicts with your views on other subjects and you know it
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
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so sweetheart we know flu kills 0.1% do you also support us going into lockdown every winter to save those souls
or do you only support the 0.3% for covid?
cant have it both ways princess
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What if the death rate due to social distancing and low viral load is 0.3% but it is/would be significantly higher when exposure is greater as it would be without lock downs?
*As demonstrated by high death rates of healthcare and public transport workers for instance.
What if as it's shaping up that the death rate is merely one factor while a chunk of those who recover suffer long term effects?
Far too much is still unknown and already known for the frankly stupid pov you're trying to argue.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
I give up, we just have to face the fact that people like this Jim character are always going to be feckin dumb as a box of frogs
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Yes I just replied to his nonsense but regret it. Guy is either a wum or beyond help.
posted on 14/8/20
What also isn't mentioned is that due to the measures put in place and the changes to people's lifestyles to fight COVID-19, we'll also see less deaths from flu than normal. So whilst excess deaths shows part of the story, over 60k at present, this would obviously have been much higher had there been no measures put in place.
People are stupid. Conspiracy theories are getting really dangerous as many people don't have the intelligence to not believe something just because somebody said it and to actually look at the facts and figures themselves.
I meet very few people in work and even in my family who don't think this is all one big joke, a way for governments across the world to control us. It's amazing. Some of these believe the Queen is a lizard person and many of them believe Bill Gates is running a paedophile ring, who created 5g, in order to create COVID-19, to make money. The mind bloody boggles.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 9 minutes ago
right but again, how many people die of other diseases that we don't feel obliged to limit freedoms about?
its like covid is the only killer out there.
diseases with far higher mortality rates are just ignored, surgeries cancelled, testing delayed, products and goods that are linked to these diseases freely sold
you cant suddenly be all about protecting people from this illness then go down the pub drink a carcinogen, smoke a carcinogen, drive your car on roads with a far higher death rate etc etc
why is this one so special to you snowflakes?
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You are either spectacularly incapable of absorbing information or so wedded to your preconceived notions that you willfully ignore anything that contradicts them. This year already in the UK over 60k people have died OVER AND ABOVE THE AVERAGE. That's excess deaths. Sixty thousand people who wouldn't have died this year.
Frame it how you like, but what you are advocating is avoidable premature death on a mass scale. Personally, I think the preservation of human life is a key tenet of civilisation, and I want as few people as possible to go through what my family experienced during the pandemic. I struggle to express my contempt for your use of the childish and empty clichéd term 'snowflake' to dismiss this stance.
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correct
and go look up how many of those people died because they couldn't get cancer treatment.
cancer research have been very vocal that far more than that are going to die in th coming months because of this.
and of that 60k more than usual, how many ACTUALLY had covid, or just assumed, or did you just hear we've lost 60k more and assume it must be covid?
moron
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Official figures suggest that at least three quarters of the UK deaths were Covid, and many died in care homes ravaged by the disease without testing, often with the result that Covid was not put on the death certificate.
On previous threads you have been presented with and ignored evidence that cancer treatment has continued during the pandemic. That said, I'm sure there will be deaths as a result of the squeeze on resources caused by Covid. The only solution to this is to try to get Covid under control. The countries that succeeded in doing so through decisive action have seen not only fewer Covid deaths, but a shorter lockdown, less economic damage, and less impact on heathcare provision for other conditions.
What you appear to advocate - ignoring Covid, prioritising other things - would have Covid cases and deaths soaring, particularly affecting people with other conditions such as cancer, overwhelming hospitals so they are again less capable of safely treating patients with all conditions.
I hope, despite your insults directed to someone dealing with bereavement from Covid, that none of your loved ones is affected by this horrendous situation, which has been tragically exacerbated by denial of science on a government level.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
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so sweetheart we know flu kills 0.1% do you also support us going into lockdown every winter to save those souls
or do you only support the 0.3% for covid?
cant have it both ways princess
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What if the death rate due to social distancing and low viral load is 0.3% but it is/would be significantly higher when exposure is greater as it would be without lock downs?
*As demonstrated by high death rates of healthcare and public transport workers for instance.
What if as it's shaping up that the death rate is merely one factor while a chunk of those who recover suffer long term effects?
Far too much is still unknown and already known for the frankly stupid pov you're trying to argue.
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this might be the stupidest post ive seen so far
the death rate has nothing to do with number of cases its the mortality of those that have it.
which we've already established is inflated anyway. anyone with any symptoms similar to flu..cough cough...are getting covid not he death certificate.
so what we know is, the case numbers are vastly under reported and deaths are over reported.
and again what long term effect do you think all those with really bad diseases denied treatment will have?
what long term effects do you think those cast into poverty will have.
these views always seem to be spouted by the comfortable workers just enjoying a couple months not having to go into the office.
funny that
posted on 14/8/20
The government control thing is hilarious. As if countries really want this amount of bullshat in their lives right now ffs.
posted on 14/8/20
Official figures suggest that at least three quarters of the UK deaths were Covid, and many died in care homes ravaged by the disease without testing, often with the result that Covid was not put on the death certificate.
=================
accept its now accepted authorities were just sticking covid down when it wasn't even actually diagnosed....
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so sweetheart we know flu kills 0.1% do you also support us going into lockdown every winter to save those souls
or do you only support the 0.3% for covid?
cant have it both ways princess
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if the death rate due to social distancing and low viral load is 0.3% but it is/would be significantly higher when exposure is greater as it would be without lock downs?
*As demonstrated by high death rates of healthcare and public transport workers for instance.
What if as it's shaping up that the death rate is merely one factor while a chunk of those who recover suffer long term effects?
Far too much is still unknown and already known for the frankly stupid pov you're trying to argue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this might be the stupidest post ive seen so far
the death rate has nothing to do with number of cases its the mortality of those that have it.
which we've already established is inflated anyway. anyone with any symptoms similar to flu..cough cough...are getting covid not he death certificate.
so what we know is, the case numbers are vastly under reported and deaths are over reported.
and again what long term effect do you think all those with really bad diseases denied treatment will have?
what long term effects do you think those cast into poverty will have.
these views always seem to be spouted by the comfortable workers just enjoying a couple months not having to go into the office.
funny that
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even the most basic understanding of my comment is clearly missed here. You're beyond help
posted on 14/8/20
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posted on 14/8/20
On Sept 17th last year, The Federal Reserve began pumping billions upon billions into a failing financial system.
A few months later we have a germ that as bad as it can be for some, has been spectacularly over-hyped for some reason. It's hysterical insanity.
Now we have a situation where the germ is being blamed for the economic problems that we face..........despite the fact that the printing hasn't stopped since September?
I do believe the germ exists but I also believe the hype has been hysterical.
I don't believe in coincidences.
posted on 14/8/20
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posted on 14/8/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 10 minutes ago
Official figures suggest that at least three quarters of the UK deaths were Covid, and many died in care homes ravaged by the disease without testing, often with the result that Covid was not put on the death certificate.
=================
accept its now accepted authorities were just sticking covid down when it wasn't even actually diagnosed....
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'The authorities'? Doctors define cause of death, not 'the authorities', so death certificate and diagnosis aren't going to diverge except in the rare cases of a post mortem. As for the UK government at least, they have no motive for exaggerating the numbers of Covid-19 deaths. They are taking lots of heat for having the highest numbers in Europe. They are also keen to open things up and have been frustrated on more than one occasion when inconvenient reality forced U-turns. So who are these 'authorities' who are misleading us? Doctors and epidemiologists?
posted on 14/8/20
comment by 8===Divock* (U22339)
posted 6 hours, 27 minutes ago
Just to add.... these family member range from 22-54. The 22 year old is a sportsman and is the one finding it hardest to recover
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A lot of healthy young people die from the flu every year too so what's your point exactly?
posted on 14/8/20
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
——————
This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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How dare you talk sense
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