He’s not even half way through his rebuild. Time will tell. And this is coming from someone who would have gladly seen him leave in January.
You better dive for cover, because bullets are about to come your way.
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comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
You better dive for cover, because bullets are about to come your way.
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I know. I'm expecting to be crucified by those who believe in such hollow slogans as "United DNA" and "the United way". When you see such famous mangers as José M. and Ancelotti managing Spurs and Everton respectively, you realize that football has changed,
Think all utd fans want to see the team play fast pressing attacking football and also adapt to play against different formations, whether ole wants to play like that is another matter?, or he doesnt feel he has the players to play that yet? next season will show whether ole can step up a gear
heart says yes
head says no
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’d love Negalsmenn. A much better manager than Ole.
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Imagine Negalsman with our players and resources.
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
You better dive for cover, because bullets are about to come your way.
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I know. I'm expecting to be crucified by those who believe in such hollow slogans as "United DNA" and "the United way". When you see such famous mangers as José M. and Ancelotti managing Spurs and Everton respectively, you realize that football has changed,
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Which is why I think Ole needs to at least get a new assistant who is in touch with where the game is moving.
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 4 minutes ago
Reason
Would be very exciting, especially if we get sancho
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Definitely!
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
There's more than one way to play footie... Madrid coasted to the La liga title playing an "Old school" brand of footie... Bayern had shifted away from Pep's philosophy since he left and are doing just fine... Pep lads haven't looked particularly good this season and they definitely not been particularly effective...
I don't really care what brand of footy we play as long as we are attacking, good to watch and winning games, mission accomplished!
For the last 6 months that's what we've been doing, so can't ask for more...
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
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Coaches dancing long the touch line is just nonsense... They don't really impact the game. If anything is shows a lack of preparation... If you've done your job right during the week, you shouldn't have to be dancing along the touchline like a monkey come game day... Its all for show...
Loved Lobanovskyi... Facker'd be sleeping on the bench while his lads where pasting the best in Europe
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
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Coaches dancing long the touch line is just nonsense... They don't really impact the game. If anything is shows a lack of preparation... If you've done your job right during the week, you shouldn't have to be dancing along the touchline like a monkey come game day... Its all for show...
Loved Lobanovskyi... Facker'd be sleeping on the bench while his lads where pasting the best in Europe
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I don't like managers clowning around on the touchline. Rather the new breed of managers are proactive and constantly tweaking things during the game. It's become like a chess match, and the old laissez-faire approach no longer cuts it.
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 13 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
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LOL
Had an interesting conversation the other day. One lad put forward the view that Ole was in trying to replicate the UTD teams of old, rather than implement his own style or a more modern style in keeping with what's been said about other teams eg city and LFC.
So McGuire is basically Bruce kind of thing
What do you all reckon? Maybe? Or nah?
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
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Coaches dancing long the touch line is just nonsense... They don't really impact the game. If anything is shows a lack of preparation... If you've done your job right during the week, you shouldn't have to be dancing along the touchline like a monkey come game day... Its all for show...
Loved Lobanovskyi... Facker'd be sleeping on the bench while his lads where pasting the best in Europe
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I don't like managers clowning around on the touchline. Rather the new breed of managers are proactive and constantly tweaking things during the game. It's become like a chess match, and the old laissez-faire approach no longer cuts it.
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No manager worth his salt isn't thinking of how to change the game favorably for his side... It's always been like a chess match. This is nothing new...
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
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Coaches dancing long the touch line is just nonsense... They don't really impact the game. If anything is shows a lack of preparation... If you've done your job right during the week, you shouldn't have to be dancing along the touchline like a monkey come game day... Its all for show...
Loved Lobanovskyi... Facker'd be sleeping on the bench while his lads where pasting the best in Europe
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I don't like managers clowning around on the touchline. Rather the new breed of managers are proactive and constantly tweaking things during the game. It's become like a chess match, and the old laissez-faire approach no longer cuts it.
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No manager worth his salt isn't thinking of how to change the game favorably for his side... It's always been like a chess match. This is nothing new...
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Football used to be less tactical, just letting the players get on with it, with changes made less often.
The new breed of managers act a bit like muppet masters, frequently directing their players, responding to opposition charges, weaknesses to attack, spaces to exploit, etc. A lot of things changes as the game goes on, and you have to keep on top.
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 13 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
............
You are either trying your hardest to WUM or are one of the biggest spackers ever to post on this site.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 13 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
............
You are either trying your hardest to WUM or are one of the biggest spackers ever to post on this site.
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You are either without argument or are so dumb to believe that Ole is a great manager.
I’m seeing a lot of emotive sentences, but no actual footballing insight into what you consider modern football management involves and what you consider Ole’s doing that doesn’t fit this new era.
"I’m seeing a lot of emotive sentences, but no actual footballing insight into what you consider modern football management involves"
Being Spanish or German
Reason-not-the-need
I wonder about your thoughts on Jose? Was he more or less progressive and modern than Ole?
It seems to me that Ole as a manager is akin to the time we signed Carrick and no one rated him. The ones that did were the ones that did were the ones with a better understanding of football such as SAF and his team mates.
If you have watched how United play from the first time he came in as caretaker manager to now, you'll see he has changes and adapted his tactics. It has happened several times and at times due to missing key players. Just look at how we were playing just before lockdown and after. There was a tactical shift in movement and positions being taken up. Shaw's absence is being felt as the position he takes up is being missed. Brandon simply doesn't do with Shaw does (could simply be due to being right footed or due to inexperience or manager's instructions).
Now you mentioned Pep and German coaches. Pep himself has adapted his tactics while sticking to his philosophy. Klopp has changed the way Liverpool play under him compared to when he first came in. Leipzig hire coaches who have the same sort of style they like to play (we saw this with some teams here such as Swansea and Southampton for a while). We've had two German coaches related with their teams in Huddersfield and Norwich. Wagner is at Shalke and to be honest their defence doesn't look any better than Norwich since the restart and the end of the season. Hasenhüttl (who is Austrian) had lost 9-0 to Leicester earlier on in the season and Southampton and looked like he could get the sack. But like Ole, he didn't and they ended the season well.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 8 hours, 34 minutes ago
Had an interesting conversation the other day. One lad put forward the view that Ole was in trying to replicate the UTD teams of old, rather than implement his own style or a more modern style in keeping with what's been said about other teams eg city and LFC.
So McGuire is basically Bruce kind of thing
What do you all reckon? Maybe? Or nah?
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Aaron Wan-Paulparker
Luke Shawin
Nemamja Matince
Bruno Fernantona
Could be onto something.
Modern managers know how to coach a positional play and positional pressing. Nagelsmann is one of those.
He is one of the best in implementing a back three system with the double pivot and wing backs take high positions which resulted in good build up.play. We saw that yesterday for the second goal.
The main concept for him is to play as many vertical passes as possible and to do this needs players to take up positions between the lines of the opposition to give passing options.
Ole has outdated tactics and plays a counter attacking style which he inherited from Fergy. He will get results against some teams because he has some good attacking players but will come up short against the very best tacticians.
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posted on 13/8/20
He’s not even half way through his rebuild. Time will tell. And this is coming from someone who would have gladly seen him leave in January.
posted on 13/8/20
You better dive for cover, because bullets are about to come your way.
posted on 13/8/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 13/8/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
You better dive for cover, because bullets are about to come your way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know. I'm expecting to be crucified by those who believe in such hollow slogans as "United DNA" and "the United way". When you see such famous mangers as José M. and Ancelotti managing Spurs and Everton respectively, you realize that football has changed,
posted on 13/8/20
Think all utd fans want to see the team play fast pressing attacking football and also adapt to play against different formations, whether ole wants to play like that is another matter?, or he doesnt feel he has the players to play that yet? next season will show whether ole can step up a gear
heart says yes
head says no
posted on 13/8/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’d love Negalsmenn. A much better manager than Ole.
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Imagine Negalsman with our players and resources.
posted on 13/8/20
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
You better dive for cover, because bullets are about to come your way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know. I'm expecting to be crucified by those who believe in such hollow slogans as "United DNA" and "the United way". When you see such famous mangers as José M. and Ancelotti managing Spurs and Everton respectively, you realize that football has changed,
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which is why I think Ole needs to at least get a new assistant who is in touch with where the game is moving.
posted on 13/8/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 13/8/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 4 minutes ago
Reason
Would be very exciting, especially if we get sancho
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Definitely!
posted on 13/8/20
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
posted on 13/8/20
There's more than one way to play footie... Madrid coasted to the La liga title playing an "Old school" brand of footie... Bayern had shifted away from Pep's philosophy since he left and are doing just fine... Pep lads haven't looked particularly good this season and they definitely not been particularly effective...
I don't really care what brand of footy we play as long as we are attacking, good to watch and winning games, mission accomplished!
For the last 6 months that's what we've been doing, so can't ask for more...
posted on 13/8/20
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Coaches dancing long the touch line is just nonsense... They don't really impact the game. If anything is shows a lack of preparation... If you've done your job right during the week, you shouldn't have to be dancing along the touchline like a monkey come game day... Its all for show...
Loved Lobanovskyi... Facker'd be sleeping on the bench while his lads where pasting the best in Europe
posted on 13/8/20
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
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Coaches dancing long the touch line is just nonsense... They don't really impact the game. If anything is shows a lack of preparation... If you've done your job right during the week, you shouldn't have to be dancing along the touchline like a monkey come game day... Its all for show...
Loved Lobanovskyi... Facker'd be sleeping on the bench while his lads where pasting the best in Europe
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't like managers clowning around on the touchline. Rather the new breed of managers are proactive and constantly tweaking things during the game. It's become like a chess match, and the old laissez-faire approach no longer cuts it.
posted on 13/8/20
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 13 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
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LOL
posted on 14/8/20
Had an interesting conversation the other day. One lad put forward the view that Ole was in trying to replicate the UTD teams of old, rather than implement his own style or a more modern style in keeping with what's been said about other teams eg city and LFC.
So McGuire is basically Bruce kind of thing
What do you all reckon? Maybe? Or nah?
posted on 14/8/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
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Coaches dancing long the touch line is just nonsense... They don't really impact the game. If anything is shows a lack of preparation... If you've done your job right during the week, you shouldn't have to be dancing along the touchline like a monkey come game day... Its all for show...
Loved Lobanovskyi... Facker'd be sleeping on the bench while his lads where pasting the best in Europe
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't like managers clowning around on the touchline. Rather the new breed of managers are proactive and constantly tweaking things during the game. It's become like a chess match, and the old laissez-faire approach no longer cuts it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No manager worth his salt isn't thinking of how to change the game favorably for his side... It's always been like a chess match. This is nothing new...
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Coaches dancing long the touch line is just nonsense... They don't really impact the game. If anything is shows a lack of preparation... If you've done your job right during the week, you shouldn't have to be dancing along the touchline like a monkey come game day... Its all for show...
Loved Lobanovskyi... Facker'd be sleeping on the bench while his lads where pasting the best in Europe
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't like managers clowning around on the touchline. Rather the new breed of managers are proactive and constantly tweaking things during the game. It's become like a chess match, and the old laissez-faire approach no longer cuts it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No manager worth his salt isn't thinking of how to change the game favorably for his side... It's always been like a chess match. This is nothing new...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football used to be less tactical, just letting the players get on with it, with changes made less often.
The new breed of managers act a bit like muppet masters, frequently directing their players, responding to opposition charges, weaknesses to attack, spaces to exploit, etc. A lot of things changes as the game goes on, and you have to keep on top.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 13 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
............
You are either trying your hardest to WUM or are one of the biggest spackers ever to post on this site.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 13 minutes ago
Ole can't even understand the importance in modern football of being active on the touch line, it's like having a twelfth player directing the action and helping the players to keep focused. Seeing Ole seated in the stands holding his knee quietly is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing sights for me.
............
You are either trying your hardest to WUM or are one of the biggest spackers ever to post on this site.
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You are either without argument or are so dumb to believe that Ole is a great manager.
posted on 14/8/20
I’m seeing a lot of emotive sentences, but no actual footballing insight into what you consider modern football management involves and what you consider Ole’s doing that doesn’t fit this new era.
posted on 14/8/20
"I’m seeing a lot of emotive sentences, but no actual footballing insight into what you consider modern football management involves"
Being Spanish or German
posted on 14/8/20
Reason-not-the-need
I wonder about your thoughts on Jose? Was he more or less progressive and modern than Ole?
posted on 14/8/20
It seems to me that Ole as a manager is akin to the time we signed Carrick and no one rated him. The ones that did were the ones that did were the ones with a better understanding of football such as SAF and his team mates.
If you have watched how United play from the first time he came in as caretaker manager to now, you'll see he has changes and adapted his tactics. It has happened several times and at times due to missing key players. Just look at how we were playing just before lockdown and after. There was a tactical shift in movement and positions being taken up. Shaw's absence is being felt as the position he takes up is being missed. Brandon simply doesn't do with Shaw does (could simply be due to being right footed or due to inexperience or manager's instructions).
Now you mentioned Pep and German coaches. Pep himself has adapted his tactics while sticking to his philosophy. Klopp has changed the way Liverpool play under him compared to when he first came in. Leipzig hire coaches who have the same sort of style they like to play (we saw this with some teams here such as Swansea and Southampton for a while). We've had two German coaches related with their teams in Huddersfield and Norwich. Wagner is at Shalke and to be honest their defence doesn't look any better than Norwich since the restart and the end of the season. Hasenhüttl (who is Austrian) had lost 9-0 to Leicester earlier on in the season and Southampton and looked like he could get the sack. But like Ole, he didn't and they ended the season well.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 8 hours, 34 minutes ago
Had an interesting conversation the other day. One lad put forward the view that Ole was in trying to replicate the UTD teams of old, rather than implement his own style or a more modern style in keeping with what's been said about other teams eg city and LFC.
So McGuire is basically Bruce kind of thing
What do you all reckon? Maybe? Or nah?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aaron Wan-Paulparker
Luke Shawin
Nemamja Matince
Bruno Fernantona
Could be onto something.
posted on 14/8/20
Modern managers know how to coach a positional play and positional pressing. Nagelsmann is one of those.
He is one of the best in implementing a back three system with the double pivot and wing backs take high positions which resulted in good build up.play. We saw that yesterday for the second goal.
The main concept for him is to play as many vertical passes as possible and to do this needs players to take up positions between the lines of the opposition to give passing options.
Ole has outdated tactics and plays a counter attacking style which he inherited from Fergy. He will get results against some teams because he has some good attacking players but will come up short against the very best tacticians.
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