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As for forcing VDB into the same side as Pogba and Bruno, with respect, I think that forcing Bruno, your best performing and arguably currently most important player wide and out of position to accommodate VBD is a little bit nuts.
If you had to force him in, you’d play him alongside Pogba in the double pivot.
In reality, I think we’ll see VDB primarily deputise for Bruno, who should be getting much more time off, and maybe play the odd game in central midfield, particularly if we use Bruno as one of the strikers in the 3-4-1-2, which I think is a possibility on occasion.
But this isn’t the kind of signing you change your entire approach or balance just to accommodate.
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I don’t think anyone is expecting those 3 in a starting XI but just wondering how it could work with all 3 on the pitch at the same time.
My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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posted 4 minutes ago
I say deeper, we don’t really play a DM at times. Fred is around the opposition box quite regularly (unfortunately) so that could work.
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We’ve played two different ways since lockdown.
Firstly, as we did earlier in the season, with the two players in the double pivot carrying the ball up the pitch together. We saw Matic and Pogba do this really effectively just after football recommenced.
And secondly, as we did more often in the last few weeks of the season, with one of the CMs (usually Matic) dropping into the back line to receive the ball and sitting there as the fullbacks push up more. I think we’re more likely to do this in games in which we aren’t pressed when we have the ball at the back and the opposition forwards sit in to mark Pogba and block passing lanes trying to force us to play long, and in games in which we don’t have both Maguire and Lindelof in and don’t have the same confidence in, for example, Bailly to pass our way through the press.
I think opposition tactics will largely dictate when we decide to do which, but in the first approach I think VDB could probably work with Pogba. (So that’d be playing against lower ranked sides who decide to press us hard, which I actually think we’ll be seeing less often this season.)
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posted 2 minutes ago
My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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I suspect we’ll go with Pogba and VDB with Bruno ahead of them. Usual front three.
Shame we’ve still got tweedle Dee and tweedle Dum at centre back.
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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We aren’t going to play with a midfield three?
Matic, Pogba & Bruno is not a midfield three?
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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We aren’t going to play with a midfield three?
Matic, Pogba & Bruno is not a midfield three?
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No, it’s a midfield two behind three forwards and a striker.
Bruno is normally our second most advanced player over 90 mins if you look at his heat maps. He’s effectively playing as a second striker positionally most weeks.
It’s semantics, technically it’s a midfield pair of Pogba and Matic with Bruno playing the #10 role, but I’d class that position more as an attacking midfielder than a forward. Perfectly fine to call it a midfield 3 imo.
Van Der Saar, Blind former Ajax and Man Utd players recently who won european trophies. We know Depay flopped but RVN and RVP performed. I know we had other dutch players but this could be our best dutch signing that wins us the title. RVP type signing as it will make us have that depth in attacking midfield we have struggled in the past 7 years.
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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We aren’t going to play with a midfield three?
Matic, Pogba & Bruno is not a midfield three?
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No, it’s a midfield two behind three forwards and a striker.
Bruno is normally our second most advanced player over 90 mins if you look at his heat maps. He’s effectively playing as a second striker positionally most weeks.
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Look more like a CAM to me, not that there’s a huge difference between the two.
Scroll down for the season heat map:
https://www.sofascore.com/player/bruno-fernandes/288205
And martial greenwood and Rashford were all pretty much in line. When you look at their heat maps.
So whether you call it a SS or a CAM as part of a three Lambeau’s comment about his ability to lie deeper and make tackles is completely relevant.
The thing about trying to get them all on the pitch at the same time is that we’re then still left with poor options from the bench.
I suspect we’ll see lots of rotation and competition for places. VDB may even be a long term successor to Pogba if he leaves next season, for example.
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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We aren’t going to play with a midfield three?
Matic, Pogba & Bruno is not a midfield three?
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No, it’s a midfield two behind three forwards and a striker.
Bruno is normally our second most advanced player over 90 mins if you look at his heat maps. He’s effectively playing as a second striker positionally most weeks.
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Look more like a CAM to me, not that there’s a huge difference between the two.
Scroll down for the season heat map:
https://www.sofascore.com/player/bruno-fernandes/288205
And martial greenwood and Rashford were all pretty much in line. When you look at their heat maps.
So whether you call it a SS or a CAM as part of a three Lambeau’s comment about his ability to lie deeper and make tackles is completely relevant.
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Are Rashford and Greenwood attacking midfielders then?
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posted 5 minutes ago
The thing about trying to get them all on the pitch at the same time is that we’re then still left with poor options from the bench.
I suspect we’ll see lots of rotation and competition for places. VDB may even be a long term successor to Pogba if he leaves next season, for example.
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Yeah I don’t think anyone is expecting them all in the starting XI but if we need a goal and have most possession then I’d take off Matic and bring on DVB quite happily or if one of the front three is having a mare swap them with Fernandes and bring on DVB in the CAM position
I think it’s a great signing which gives us a lot more flexibility which we clearly didn’t have last season
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posted 20 minutes ago
It’s semantics, technically it’s a midfield pair of Pogba and Matic with Bruno playing the #10 role, but I’d class that position more as an attacking midfielder than a forward. Perfectly fine to call it a midfield 3 imo.
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Doesn’t make any sense to me.
We weren’t calling Cantona an attacking midfielder, or Rooney when he was in behind Berbatov, for example.
Dybala isn’t labelled a midfielder.
Like the above, he just doesn’t play in the centre of the park.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 20 minutes ago
It’s semantics, technically it’s a midfield pair of Pogba and Matic with Bruno playing the #10 role, but I’d class that position more as an attacking midfielder than a forward. Perfectly fine to call it a midfield 3 imo.
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Doesn’t make any sense to me.
We weren’t calling Cantona an attacking midfielder, or Rooney when he was in behind Berbatov, for example.
Dybala isn’t labelled a midfielder.
Like the above, he just doesn’t play in the centre of the park.
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Cantona and Rooney had strike partners.
Shape-wise we’re all pretty much talking about the same thing. I’d just call Bruno a CAM rather than a SS as that is what he is; a midfielder.
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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We aren’t going to play with a midfield three?
Matic, Pogba & Bruno is not a midfield three?
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No, it’s a midfield two behind three forwards and a striker.
Bruno is normally our second most advanced player over 90 mins if you look at his heat maps. He’s effectively playing as a second striker positionally most weeks.
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Look more like a CAM to me, not that there’s a huge difference between the two.
Scroll down for the season heat map:
https://www.sofascore.com/player/bruno-fernandes/288205
And martial greenwood and Rashford were all pretty much in line. When you look at their heat maps.
So whether you call it a SS or a CAM as part of a three Lambeau’s comment about his ability to lie deeper and make tackles is completely relevant.
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Are Rashford and Greenwood attacking midfielders then?
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No of course not. But one of our midfielders goes forwards and attacks more than the other two; hence CAM.
Bruno pretty has a free reign to roam where he sees fit. You’ll see him around the box, drifting wide and deep.
4-2-3-1 implies that Martial is notably ahead of the others when he isn’t really but ultimately there really isn’t a huge difference between 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 with the players that we have. Bruno is the most advanced midfielder but is still generally behind Rashy, Tony & Greenwood as he’s feeding little passes to them. Sometimes he’s right up there with them but that’s no the case for the majority of the time. CAM or SS who cares?
The point was DVB’s ability to carry out defensive duties was called irrelevant which I find totally bizarre.
Bruni categorically is not playing any deeper than Rashford or Greenwood.
The very heat maps Sat Nav linked to demonstrate that. He’s playing at least as high up as Rashford, and, again, according to the SofaScore and WhoScored maps, actually higher up than Greenwood.
He just isn’t playing as a midfielder. His role is not in midfield
I don’t think we should sign this lad, look at the trouble he’s caused already
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Bruni categorically is not playing any deeper than Rashford or Greenwood.
The very heat maps Sat Nav linked to demonstrate that. He’s playing at least as high up as Rashford, and, again, according to the SofaScore and WhoScored maps, actually higher up than Greenwood.
He just isn’t playing as a midfielder. His role is not in midfield
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OK Rosso, you win. He’s not a midfielder despite every profile of the player stating that he is. (Insert juvenile smiley face)
Why are DVB’s defensive abilities irrelevant? A comment from you from which is where this all spawned .
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Bruni categorically is not playing any deeper than Rashford or Greenwood.
The very heat maps Sat Nav linked to demonstrate that. He’s playing at least as high up as Rashford, and, again, according to the SofaScore and WhoScored maps, actually higher up than Greenwood.
He just isn’t playing as a midfielder. His role is not in midfield
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OK Rosso, you win. He’s not a midfielder despite every profile of the player stating that he is. (Insert juvenile smiley face)
Why are DVB’s defensive abilities irrelevant? A comment from you from which is where this all spawned .
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I didn’t say his defensive attributes are irrelevant.
I said that it’s irrelevant that he can play in a midfield three, because we don’t, and we won’t be.
His defensive attributes will be useful whether Ole deploys him in Bruno’s role, or whether he plays him in midfield with Pogba or Matic.
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Bruni categorically is not playing any deeper than Rashford or Greenwood.
The very heat maps Sat Nav linked to demonstrate that. He’s playing at least as high up as Rashford, and, again, according to the SofaScore and WhoScored maps, actually higher up than Greenwood.
He just isn’t playing as a midfielder. His role is not in midfield
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OK Rosso, you win. He’s not a midfielder despite every profile of the player stating that he is. (Insert juvenile smiley face)
Why are DVB’s defensive abilities irrelevant? A comment from you from which is where this all spawned .
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I didn’t say his defensive attributes are irrelevant.
I said that it’s irrelevant that he can play in a midfield three, because we don’t, and we won’t be.
His defensive attributes will be useful whether Ole deploys him in Bruno’s role, or whether he plays him in midfield with Pogba or Matic.
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Well if you don’t define a midfielder as a midfielder then I guess it’s highly unlikely that we’ll ever play a 3 man midfield.
Anyway, I think it’s fair to say that we’re all happy to be signing him and look forward to watching him play in whatever position.
Liverpool play with a midfield three, as do City (most often).
We did infrequently under Mourinho, and have even under Ole when he’s used the diamond.
But generally speaking, we simply don’t play with three midfield roles.
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comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
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As for forcing VDB into the same side as Pogba and Bruno, with respect, I think that forcing Bruno, your best performing and arguably currently most important player wide and out of position to accommodate VBD is a little bit nuts.
If you had to force him in, you’d play him alongside Pogba in the double pivot.
In reality, I think we’ll see VDB primarily deputise for Bruno, who should be getting much more time off, and maybe play the odd game in central midfield, particularly if we use Bruno as one of the strikers in the 3-4-1-2, which I think is a possibility on occasion.
But this isn’t the kind of signing you change your entire approach or balance just to accommodate.
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I don’t think anyone is expecting those 3 in a starting XI but just wondering how it could work with all 3 on the pitch at the same time.
posted on 31/8/20
My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
posted on 31/8/20
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
I say deeper, we don’t really play a DM at times. Fred is around the opposition box quite regularly (unfortunately) so that could work.
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We’ve played two different ways since lockdown.
Firstly, as we did earlier in the season, with the two players in the double pivot carrying the ball up the pitch together. We saw Matic and Pogba do this really effectively just after football recommenced.
And secondly, as we did more often in the last few weeks of the season, with one of the CMs (usually Matic) dropping into the back line to receive the ball and sitting there as the fullbacks push up more. I think we’re more likely to do this in games in which we aren’t pressed when we have the ball at the back and the opposition forwards sit in to mark Pogba and block passing lanes trying to force us to play long, and in games in which we don’t have both Maguire and Lindelof in and don’t have the same confidence in, for example, Bailly to pass our way through the press.
I think opposition tactics will largely dictate when we decide to do which, but in the first approach I think VDB could probably work with Pogba. (So that’d be playing against lower ranked sides who decide to press us hard, which I actually think we’ll be seeing less often this season.)
posted on 31/8/20
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
posted on 31/8/20
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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I suspect we’ll go with Pogba and VDB with Bruno ahead of them. Usual front three.
Shame we’ve still got tweedle Dee and tweedle Dum at centre back.
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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We aren’t going to play with a midfield three?
Matic, Pogba & Bruno is not a midfield three?
posted on 31/8/20
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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We aren’t going to play with a midfield three?
Matic, Pogba & Bruno is not a midfield three?
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No, it’s a midfield two behind three forwards and a striker.
Bruno is normally our second most advanced player over 90 mins if you look at his heat maps. He’s effectively playing as a second striker positionally most weeks.
posted on 31/8/20
It’s semantics, technically it’s a midfield pair of Pogba and Matic with Bruno playing the #10 role, but I’d class that position more as an attacking midfielder than a forward. Perfectly fine to call it a midfield 3 imo.
posted on 31/8/20
Van Der Saar, Blind former Ajax and Man Utd players recently who won european trophies. We know Depay flopped but RVN and RVP performed. I know we had other dutch players but this could be our best dutch signing that wins us the title. RVP type signing as it will make us have that depth in attacking midfield we have struggled in the past 7 years.
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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We aren’t going to play with a midfield three?
Matic, Pogba & Bruno is not a midfield three?
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No, it’s a midfield two behind three forwards and a striker.
Bruno is normally our second most advanced player over 90 mins if you look at his heat maps. He’s effectively playing as a second striker positionally most weeks.
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Look more like a CAM to me, not that there’s a huge difference between the two.
Scroll down for the season heat map:
https://www.sofascore.com/player/bruno-fernandes/288205
And martial greenwood and Rashford were all pretty much in line. When you look at their heat maps.
So whether you call it a SS or a CAM as part of a three Lambeau’s comment about his ability to lie deeper and make tackles is completely relevant.
posted on 31/8/20
The thing about trying to get them all on the pitch at the same time is that we’re then still left with poor options from the bench.
I suspect we’ll see lots of rotation and competition for places. VDB may even be a long term successor to Pogba if he leaves next season, for example.
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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We aren’t going to play with a midfield three?
Matic, Pogba & Bruno is not a midfield three?
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No, it’s a midfield two behind three forwards and a striker.
Bruno is normally our second most advanced player over 90 mins if you look at his heat maps. He’s effectively playing as a second striker positionally most weeks.
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Look more like a CAM to me, not that there’s a huge difference between the two.
Scroll down for the season heat map:
https://www.sofascore.com/player/bruno-fernandes/288205
And martial greenwood and Rashford were all pretty much in line. When you look at their heat maps.
So whether you call it a SS or a CAM as part of a three Lambeau’s comment about his ability to lie deeper and make tackles is completely relevant.
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Are Rashford and Greenwood attacking midfielders then?
posted on 31/8/20
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
The thing about trying to get them all on the pitch at the same time is that we’re then still left with poor options from the bench.
I suspect we’ll see lots of rotation and competition for places. VDB may even be a long term successor to Pogba if he leaves next season, for example.
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Yeah I don’t think anyone is expecting them all in the starting XI but if we need a goal and have most possession then I’d take off Matic and bring on DVB quite happily or if one of the front three is having a mare swap them with Fernandes and bring on DVB in the CAM position
I think it’s a great signing which gives us a lot more flexibility which we clearly didn’t have last season
posted on 31/8/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 20 minutes ago
It’s semantics, technically it’s a midfield pair of Pogba and Matic with Bruno playing the #10 role, but I’d class that position more as an attacking midfielder than a forward. Perfectly fine to call it a midfield 3 imo.
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Doesn’t make any sense to me.
We weren’t calling Cantona an attacking midfielder, or Rooney when he was in behind Berbatov, for example.
Dybala isn’t labelled a midfielder.
Like the above, he just doesn’t play in the centre of the park.
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posted 20 minutes ago
It’s semantics, technically it’s a midfield pair of Pogba and Matic with Bruno playing the #10 role, but I’d class that position more as an attacking midfielder than a forward. Perfectly fine to call it a midfield 3 imo.
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Doesn’t make any sense to me.
We weren’t calling Cantona an attacking midfielder, or Rooney when he was in behind Berbatov, for example.
Dybala isn’t labelled a midfielder.
Like the above, he just doesn’t play in the centre of the park.
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Cantona and Rooney had strike partners.
Shape-wise we’re all pretty much talking about the same thing. I’d just call Bruno a CAM rather than a SS as that is what he is; a midfielder.
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My friend in Amsterdam is adamant that VDB can play the deep lying position to a very high standard and has the discipline to fit in behind Pogba and Bruno in a midfield 3. Apparently his tackling stats are pretty impressive.
I can genuinely say I have never seen him play
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Pretty irrelevant given that we aren’t going to play with a midfield three.
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We aren’t going to play with a midfield three?
Matic, Pogba & Bruno is not a midfield three?
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No, it’s a midfield two behind three forwards and a striker.
Bruno is normally our second most advanced player over 90 mins if you look at his heat maps. He’s effectively playing as a second striker positionally most weeks.
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Look more like a CAM to me, not that there’s a huge difference between the two.
Scroll down for the season heat map:
https://www.sofascore.com/player/bruno-fernandes/288205
And martial greenwood and Rashford were all pretty much in line. When you look at their heat maps.
So whether you call it a SS or a CAM as part of a three Lambeau’s comment about his ability to lie deeper and make tackles is completely relevant.
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Are Rashford and Greenwood attacking midfielders then?
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No of course not. But one of our midfielders goes forwards and attacks more than the other two; hence CAM.
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Bruno pretty has a free reign to roam where he sees fit. You’ll see him around the box, drifting wide and deep.
posted on 31/8/20
4-2-3-1 implies that Martial is notably ahead of the others when he isn’t really but ultimately there really isn’t a huge difference between 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 with the players that we have. Bruno is the most advanced midfielder but is still generally behind Rashy, Tony & Greenwood as he’s feeding little passes to them. Sometimes he’s right up there with them but that’s no the case for the majority of the time. CAM or SS who cares?
The point was DVB’s ability to carry out defensive duties was called irrelevant which I find totally bizarre.
posted on 31/8/20
Bruni categorically is not playing any deeper than Rashford or Greenwood.
The very heat maps Sat Nav linked to demonstrate that. He’s playing at least as high up as Rashford, and, again, according to the SofaScore and WhoScored maps, actually higher up than Greenwood.
He just isn’t playing as a midfielder. His role is not in midfield
posted on 31/8/20
I don’t think we should sign this lad, look at the trouble he’s caused already
posted on 31/8/20
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posted 12 minutes ago
Bruni categorically is not playing any deeper than Rashford or Greenwood.
The very heat maps Sat Nav linked to demonstrate that. He’s playing at least as high up as Rashford, and, again, according to the SofaScore and WhoScored maps, actually higher up than Greenwood.
He just isn’t playing as a midfielder. His role is not in midfield
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OK Rosso, you win. He’s not a midfielder despite every profile of the player stating that he is. (Insert juvenile smiley face)
Why are DVB’s defensive abilities irrelevant? A comment from you from which is where this all spawned .
posted on 31/8/20
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
Bruni categorically is not playing any deeper than Rashford or Greenwood.
The very heat maps Sat Nav linked to demonstrate that. He’s playing at least as high up as Rashford, and, again, according to the SofaScore and WhoScored maps, actually higher up than Greenwood.
He just isn’t playing as a midfielder. His role is not in midfield
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OK Rosso, you win. He’s not a midfielder despite every profile of the player stating that he is. (Insert juvenile smiley face)
Why are DVB’s defensive abilities irrelevant? A comment from you from which is where this all spawned .
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I didn’t say his defensive attributes are irrelevant.
I said that it’s irrelevant that he can play in a midfield three, because we don’t, and we won’t be.
His defensive attributes will be useful whether Ole deploys him in Bruno’s role, or whether he plays him in midfield with Pogba or Matic.
posted on 31/8/20
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posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
Bruni categorically is not playing any deeper than Rashford or Greenwood.
The very heat maps Sat Nav linked to demonstrate that. He’s playing at least as high up as Rashford, and, again, according to the SofaScore and WhoScored maps, actually higher up than Greenwood.
He just isn’t playing as a midfielder. His role is not in midfield
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OK Rosso, you win. He’s not a midfielder despite every profile of the player stating that he is. (Insert juvenile smiley face)
Why are DVB’s defensive abilities irrelevant? A comment from you from which is where this all spawned .
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I didn’t say his defensive attributes are irrelevant.
I said that it’s irrelevant that he can play in a midfield three, because we don’t, and we won’t be.
His defensive attributes will be useful whether Ole deploys him in Bruno’s role, or whether he plays him in midfield with Pogba or Matic.
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Well if you don’t define a midfielder as a midfielder then I guess it’s highly unlikely that we’ll ever play a 3 man midfield.
posted on 31/8/20
Anyway, I think it’s fair to say that we’re all happy to be signing him and look forward to watching him play in whatever position.
posted on 31/8/20
Liverpool play with a midfield three, as do City (most often).
We did infrequently under Mourinho, and have even under Ole when he’s used the diamond.
But generally speaking, we simply don’t play with three midfield roles.
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