comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
"The first thing plus the second and other general school factors, equals a massive nationwide spike in positive cases. 2-3 weeks from now will be seeing calls for pubs etc to be closed so we can keep kids in school."
We keep hearing comments like this... right back to May, when people started going to the beaches, and it never happened.
I wish people would take a bit more a balanced view rather than the negative doom mongering vs conspiracy theory anti lockdown debate that seems to be the norm now.
The truth is, we don't know.
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You got kids? If you have then you should be well aware of the way any viral infection spreads like wildfire in schools. Covid behaves just like a normal coronavirus (so cold and flu) plus it apparently also bonds to blood proteins in a way the rest don't. Hence it spreads around the body in ways they don't which is why it's being so destructive to so many different areas of the body. So yes Winston, we do know.
Just like we already know how a cold or flu spreads in a school.
It's not doom mongering at all. It's accepting known facts and not sticking our heads in the sand pretending that any outcome other than the screamingly obvious huge positive case increase, is going to happen. And I'm not shouting conspiracy theory. Just reminding everyone of the well known fact that the government couldn't give two sh !ts how many poor people they kill or stuff the health of. Rich kids are all in schools with nice small, easy to distance classes so they're fine. It's blatantly poor people who will be enduring the vast majority of suffering or loss this slapdash "No funding for extra class space so feck ya kids and your health," return to school plan.
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Very true, the amount of times my kids have come home with viruses and passed them on Is insane.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Football stadiums seems like one the few places where you can 'actually' social distance...your outdoors, in a massive venue,can implement one way systems, and they have all your details before you come too, in case anything happens.
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It's how everyone will get there that's the problem that and toilets/other communal areas.
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How does anyone get anywhere?
People have been going to work for months, even more now. Schools etc, you go, follow some simple guidelines and try crack on with your day.
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That's normally 100s of people converging on the one work site. This is 1000s the logistic problem are not the same.
WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
Okay mate, let's hope the government take you on as an advisor as clearly you know it all.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 7 minutes ago
My own health history means that I do know alot about how viruses spread and the steps which need to be taken to prevent this. My life depended on that knowledge for a fair few years. You do not need to know every critical minor detail and it's in and outs to be able to project likely scenarios. The critical ones we know already are more than enough. Why do you think government has already put it out there that schools reopening may mean pubs have to close. They fully expect a case spike and want pubheads prepared so there's less public backlash.
Why on earth would anyone in their right mind be open to having a POV they already know is correct, for an alternative view they know is almost certainly incorrect? Not generally what people do is it. And no, the super spreader notion isn't debunked btw. If you knew what you were on about then you would know that particular threat notion has been given fresh legs by the surprise discovery of ridiculously high viral load numbers in swabs etc of smaller kids.
High school children will spread it at the same biological rate as an adult. It's the school environment which then amplifies the risk of spread among them. This virus and any outbreaks it causes WILL greatly increase spreading. It's actual debatable, it's inevitable. Behave as though it isn't at yours and your loved ones own peril.
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Do you reckon a mass lock down again is unavoidable?
It's how everyone will get there that's the problem that and toilets/other communal areas.
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How does anyone get anywhere?
People have been going to work for months, even more now. Schools etc, you go, follow some simple guidelines and try crack on with your day.
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That's normally 100s of people converging on the one work site. This is 1000s the logistic problem are not the same.
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100's or 1000's, doesn't really matter at this point in regards to the virus.
EEH
I doubt there'll be a return to mass lockdown across the board. Just not a practical solution. It's more likely individuals areas will be locked down. Though cases will spike, I think it'd have to be a case of the death rate across the board suddenly sky rocketing for the whole country to get shut down again.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 22 minutes ago
WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
Okay mate, let's hope the government take you on as an advisor as clearly you know it all.
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Not at all. I just clearly know more than you about the subject. There's a difference. It is actually possible ya know. That somebody, even crazy me, can know better than you. And if you think different then it's your own humility which needs checking.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 22 minutes ago
WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
Okay mate, let's hope the government take you on as an advisor as clearly you know it all.
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Not at all. I just clearly know more than you about the subject. There's a difference. It is actually possible ya know. That somebody, even crazy me, can know better than you. And if you think different then it's your own humility which needs checking.
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My last word on this subject.
You don't clearly know more than me on the subject. You haven't demonstrated anything that would back this up and we haven't discussed this in enough detail for you to possibly be able to conclude that.
That comment simply proves my point.
No one knows what will happen - not even the most qualified, so quite what makes you feel so confident that you know for sure, even with no qualifications on the subject whatsoever, is beyond me.
My only hope for you is that you're young and so one day might look back with embarrassment at comments like the ones you've made here.
But in the mean time, ignorance is bliss, so enjoy.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 21 minutes ago
It's how everyone will get there that's the problem that and toilets/other communal areas.
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How does anyone get anywhere?
People have been going to work for months, even more now. Schools etc, you go, follow some simple guidelines and try crack on with your day.
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That's normally 100s of people converging on the one work site. This is 1000s the logistic problem are not the same.
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100's or 1000's, doesn't really matter at this point in regards to the virus.
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It does when you have to figure out a way for all the people to have safe access to a limited number of toilets. Takes alot more time and cleaning for 1000 than it does for 100. That's just one simple thing, there's plenty more in terms of a football match I'm sure.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 21 minutes ago
It's how everyone will get there that's the problem that and toilets/other communal areas.
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How does anyone get anywhere?
People have been going to work for months, even more now. Schools etc, you go, follow some simple guidelines and try crack on with your day.
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That's normally 100s of people converging on the one work site. This is 1000s the logistic problem are not the same.
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100's or 1000's, doesn't really matter at this point in regards to the virus.
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It does when you have to figure out a way for all the people to have safe access to a limited number of toilets. Takes alot more time and cleaning for 1000 than it does for 100. That's just one simple thing, there's plenty more in terms of a football match I'm sure.
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Once again, it's the same problems that we have been dealing with in schools, colleges , uni's, work, train etc, in a lot more smaller spaces... employ more cleaners or ask them to work more frequent, and advise people to socially distance, wear a mask...it's not that deep.
You don't clearly know more than me on the subject. You haven't demonstrated anything that would back this up and we haven't discussed this in enough detail for you to possibly be able to conclude that.
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You don't know for an undisputable fact that if you walk into a petrol refinery as light a match near a vat of petrol. That doesn't stop every refinery in the world from posting "No naked flame" and "No smoking" signs all over the gaff to make sure that some idiot doesn't do it. Why? Because though it's not undisputable fact it will happen, previous experience with petrol and other flammable liquids, mean we know it's probability of happening is so high, we can be pretty sure of the huge explosion if it does.
Consider school the petrol refinery and some 30-40 odd classes of 30+ kids who physically can't maintain any distance, the match. Exact same principal in play. Government ain't gonna listen to me and you ain't gonna agree with me. But do yourself and your daughter a favour. Don't dismiss what I'm saying due to it not having happened yet to prove it to you. Only undisputable fact that will prove me right is very spike I'm talking about. Please err on the side of caution and just assume I'm correct, then take every a step you can think of to prevent the government's slapdash BS harming you and yours. DON'T trust your kid's school or the government to do that for you. That's all I ask of anyone reading this thread. You don't have to agree with/believe me, to see to it that you cover ya ass as best you can just in case I'm right. Site won't be as much fun if ya ain't here to argue with me cos ya dead or all fecked up because you waited for undisputable proof.
I'm always coming out with stuff you guys dispute, dismiss or just downright insult. But for once I am actually offering a sound opinion and taking heed really might just save your life.
Never said it was AFC. just that it isn't as simple and easy as a school or work place. It's not just as easy as you're thinking. The entire design of a stadium is centred around moving vast numbers of people in out and around quickly, at the same time. Using communal areas along the way as junctions and filtration points.
The social distancing, no large communal gathering, clean everything between individual use, nature of Covid measures. Means that at most every point, stadiums will have to be operating by doing the exact opposite of what they were specifically designed for. Doing it safely, without pre kick off, halftime and post game each taking 2-3 hours. Isn't as simple as getting a few extra cleaners and telling people to wear masks. It can be done with cracking planning but it's hard because a football match has a time factor that puts a proper spanner in the works.
Just to clarify what Arsenal are doing, and I presume most will.
Season ticket holders have to register to be in the ballot, they can choose not to get tickets at all.
And they don't have to pay for the season ticket renewal until the stadium is back to full capacity, be that some time this season or next.
Attendees will also need to take photo ID to match the name on the ticket.
As for toilets...........bring your own!
And when a vaccine comes...........
1. will you trust it not to kill you?
2. Will you trust it to work?
3. When do you think you would be able to get it, if you want it....how far down the list will you be?
1. Depends how long it takes them to come up with it. Anything less than 3-5 years and it's a no from me.
2. Yes but whether it does so effectively and without killing or damaging people or their unborn children is a whole 'nother story.
3. I don't care because I'll be one of the last people to take it whatever happens. Cowboy rush job and vaccine does not a good combination make. So I'll let the naive, scared and desperate take it first. If/ when they don't get messed up, die or start having deformed kids...then I'll consider it safe to take
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
1. Depends how long it takes them to come up with it. Anything less than 3-5 years and it's a no from me.
2. Yes but whether it does so effectively and without killing or damaging people or their unborn children is a whole 'nother story.
3. I don't care because I'll be one of the last people to take it whatever happens. Cowboy rush job and vaccine does not a good combination make. So I'll let the naive, scared and desperate take it first. If/ when they don't get messed up, die or start having deformed kids...then I'll consider it safe to take
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All very good points!
But here's the question 4:
Would you rather catch Covid-19 or take the vaccine that arrives, say December 2020?
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
You’re up early Ted.
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Maybe where you are, but.......not where I am!
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
1. Depends how long it takes them to come up with it. Anything less than 3-5 years and it's a no from me.
2. Yes but whether it does so effectively and without killing or damaging people or their unborn children is a whole 'nother story.
3. I don't care because I'll be one of the last people to take it whatever happens. Cowboy rush job and vaccine does not a good combination make. So I'll let the naive, scared and desperate take it first. If/ when they don't get messed up, die or start having deformed kids...then I'll consider it safe to take
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All very good points!
But here's the question 4:
Would you rather catch Covid-19 or take the vaccine that arrives, say December 2020?
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I'm healthy with a very strong immune system these days. So I'm picking the bug over the rushed vaccine any day of the week. There are still millions of us who can remember the headache (if I remember rightly) tablet that caused babies to be born with no arms and legs, when pregnant women took it.
The long-term side effect data is CRITICALLY important to any and every new drug. Rolling out a drug, on mass whilst you don't have any. Is nothing short of FECKING IDIOTIC! It's potentially just as devastating as the Covid-19 itself. Maybe even worse because a vaccine can end up programming the body to turn on/kill itself..
http://thalidomidestory.com/
If you don't already know, take a look at what can and has happened, when you don't get adequate data on the potential long term effects of a drug, before giving it to millions of people. Took 'em 5 years to figure out what they'd done.
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posted on 3/9/20
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
"The first thing plus the second and other general school factors, equals a massive nationwide spike in positive cases. 2-3 weeks from now will be seeing calls for pubs etc to be closed so we can keep kids in school."
We keep hearing comments like this... right back to May, when people started going to the beaches, and it never happened.
I wish people would take a bit more a balanced view rather than the negative doom mongering vs conspiracy theory anti lockdown debate that seems to be the norm now.
The truth is, we don't know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You got kids? If you have then you should be well aware of the way any viral infection spreads like wildfire in schools. Covid behaves just like a normal coronavirus (so cold and flu) plus it apparently also bonds to blood proteins in a way the rest don't. Hence it spreads around the body in ways they don't which is why it's being so destructive to so many different areas of the body. So yes Winston, we do know.
Just like we already know how a cold or flu spreads in a school.
It's not doom mongering at all. It's accepting known facts and not sticking our heads in the sand pretending that any outcome other than the screamingly obvious huge positive case increase, is going to happen. And I'm not shouting conspiracy theory. Just reminding everyone of the well known fact that the government couldn't give two sh !ts how many poor people they kill or stuff the health of. Rich kids are all in schools with nice small, easy to distance classes so they're fine. It's blatantly poor people who will be enduring the vast majority of suffering or loss this slapdash "No funding for extra class space so feck ya kids and your health," return to school plan.
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Very true, the amount of times my kids have come home with viruses and passed them on Is insane.
posted on 3/9/20
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Football stadiums seems like one the few places where you can 'actually' social distance...your outdoors, in a massive venue,can implement one way systems, and they have all your details before you come too, in case anything happens.
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It's how everyone will get there that's the problem that and toilets/other communal areas.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How does anyone get anywhere?
People have been going to work for months, even more now. Schools etc, you go, follow some simple guidelines and try crack on with your day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's normally 100s of people converging on the one work site. This is 1000s the logistic problem are not the same.
posted on 3/9/20
WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
Okay mate, let's hope the government take you on as an advisor as clearly you know it all.
posted on 3/9/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 7 minutes ago
My own health history means that I do know alot about how viruses spread and the steps which need to be taken to prevent this. My life depended on that knowledge for a fair few years. You do not need to know every critical minor detail and it's in and outs to be able to project likely scenarios. The critical ones we know already are more than enough. Why do you think government has already put it out there that schools reopening may mean pubs have to close. They fully expect a case spike and want pubheads prepared so there's less public backlash.
Why on earth would anyone in their right mind be open to having a POV they already know is correct, for an alternative view they know is almost certainly incorrect? Not generally what people do is it. And no, the super spreader notion isn't debunked btw. If you knew what you were on about then you would know that particular threat notion has been given fresh legs by the surprise discovery of ridiculously high viral load numbers in swabs etc of smaller kids.
High school children will spread it at the same biological rate as an adult. It's the school environment which then amplifies the risk of spread among them. This virus and any outbreaks it causes WILL greatly increase spreading. It's actual debatable, it's inevitable. Behave as though it isn't at yours and your loved ones own peril.
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Do you reckon a mass lock down again is unavoidable?
posted on 3/9/20
It's how everyone will get there that's the problem that and toilets/other communal areas.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How does anyone get anywhere?
People have been going to work for months, even more now. Schools etc, you go, follow some simple guidelines and try crack on with your day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's normally 100s of people converging on the one work site. This is 1000s the logistic problem are not the same.
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100's or 1000's, doesn't really matter at this point in regards to the virus.
posted on 3/9/20
EEH
I doubt there'll be a return to mass lockdown across the board. Just not a practical solution. It's more likely individuals areas will be locked down. Though cases will spike, I think it'd have to be a case of the death rate across the board suddenly sky rocketing for the whole country to get shut down again.
posted on 3/9/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 22 minutes ago
WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
Okay mate, let's hope the government take you on as an advisor as clearly you know it all.
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Not at all. I just clearly know more than you about the subject. There's a difference. It is actually possible ya know. That somebody, even crazy me, can know better than you. And if you think different then it's your own humility which needs checking.
posted on 3/9/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 22 minutes ago
WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
Okay mate, let's hope the government take you on as an advisor as clearly you know it all.
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Not at all. I just clearly know more than you about the subject. There's a difference. It is actually possible ya know. That somebody, even crazy me, can know better than you. And if you think different then it's your own humility which needs checking.
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My last word on this subject.
You don't clearly know more than me on the subject. You haven't demonstrated anything that would back this up and we haven't discussed this in enough detail for you to possibly be able to conclude that.
That comment simply proves my point.
No one knows what will happen - not even the most qualified, so quite what makes you feel so confident that you know for sure, even with no qualifications on the subject whatsoever, is beyond me.
My only hope for you is that you're young and so one day might look back with embarrassment at comments like the ones you've made here.
But in the mean time, ignorance is bliss, so enjoy.
posted on 3/9/20
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 21 minutes ago
It's how everyone will get there that's the problem that and toilets/other communal areas.
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How does anyone get anywhere?
People have been going to work for months, even more now. Schools etc, you go, follow some simple guidelines and try crack on with your day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's normally 100s of people converging on the one work site. This is 1000s the logistic problem are not the same.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
100's or 1000's, doesn't really matter at this point in regards to the virus.
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It does when you have to figure out a way for all the people to have safe access to a limited number of toilets. Takes alot more time and cleaning for 1000 than it does for 100. That's just one simple thing, there's plenty more in terms of a football match I'm sure.
posted on 3/9/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 21 minutes ago
It's how everyone will get there that's the problem that and toilets/other communal areas.
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How does anyone get anywhere?
People have been going to work for months, even more now. Schools etc, you go, follow some simple guidelines and try crack on with your day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's normally 100s of people converging on the one work site. This is 1000s the logistic problem are not the same.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
100's or 1000's, doesn't really matter at this point in regards to the virus.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does when you have to figure out a way for all the people to have safe access to a limited number of toilets. Takes alot more time and cleaning for 1000 than it does for 100. That's just one simple thing, there's plenty more in terms of a football match I'm sure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once again, it's the same problems that we have been dealing with in schools, colleges , uni's, work, train etc, in a lot more smaller spaces... employ more cleaners or ask them to work more frequent, and advise people to socially distance, wear a mask...it's not that deep.
posted on 3/9/20
You don't clearly know more than me on the subject. You haven't demonstrated anything that would back this up and we haven't discussed this in enough detail for you to possibly be able to conclude that.
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You don't know for an undisputable fact that if you walk into a petrol refinery as light a match near a vat of petrol. That doesn't stop every refinery in the world from posting "No naked flame" and "No smoking" signs all over the gaff to make sure that some idiot doesn't do it. Why? Because though it's not undisputable fact it will happen, previous experience with petrol and other flammable liquids, mean we know it's probability of happening is so high, we can be pretty sure of the huge explosion if it does.
Consider school the petrol refinery and some 30-40 odd classes of 30+ kids who physically can't maintain any distance, the match. Exact same principal in play. Government ain't gonna listen to me and you ain't gonna agree with me. But do yourself and your daughter a favour. Don't dismiss what I'm saying due to it not having happened yet to prove it to you. Only undisputable fact that will prove me right is very spike I'm talking about. Please err on the side of caution and just assume I'm correct, then take every a step you can think of to prevent the government's slapdash BS harming you and yours. DON'T trust your kid's school or the government to do that for you. That's all I ask of anyone reading this thread. You don't have to agree with/believe me, to see to it that you cover ya ass as best you can just in case I'm right. Site won't be as much fun if ya ain't here to argue with me cos ya dead or all fecked up because you waited for undisputable proof.
I'm always coming out with stuff you guys dispute, dismiss or just downright insult. But for once I am actually offering a sound opinion and taking heed really might just save your life.
posted on 3/9/20
Never said it was AFC. just that it isn't as simple and easy as a school or work place. It's not just as easy as you're thinking. The entire design of a stadium is centred around moving vast numbers of people in out and around quickly, at the same time. Using communal areas along the way as junctions and filtration points.
The social distancing, no large communal gathering, clean everything between individual use, nature of Covid measures. Means that at most every point, stadiums will have to be operating by doing the exact opposite of what they were specifically designed for. Doing it safely, without pre kick off, halftime and post game each taking 2-3 hours. Isn't as simple as getting a few extra cleaners and telling people to wear masks. It can be done with cracking planning but it's hard because a football match has a time factor that puts a proper spanner in the works.
posted on 3/9/20
Just to clarify what Arsenal are doing, and I presume most will.
Season ticket holders have to register to be in the ballot, they can choose not to get tickets at all.
And they don't have to pay for the season ticket renewal until the stadium is back to full capacity, be that some time this season or next.
Attendees will also need to take photo ID to match the name on the ticket.
posted on 3/9/20
As for toilets...........bring your own!
posted on 3/9/20
And when a vaccine comes...........
1. will you trust it not to kill you?
2. Will you trust it to work?
3. When do you think you would be able to get it, if you want it....how far down the list will you be?
posted on 4/9/20
1. Depends how long it takes them to come up with it. Anything less than 3-5 years and it's a no from me.
2. Yes but whether it does so effectively and without killing or damaging people or their unborn children is a whole 'nother story.
3. I don't care because I'll be one of the last people to take it whatever happens. Cowboy rush job and vaccine does not a good combination make. So I'll let the naive, scared and desperate take it first. If/ when they don't get messed up, die or start having deformed kids...then I'll consider it safe to take
posted on 4/9/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
1. Depends how long it takes them to come up with it. Anything less than 3-5 years and it's a no from me.
2. Yes but whether it does so effectively and without killing or damaging people or their unborn children is a whole 'nother story.
3. I don't care because I'll be one of the last people to take it whatever happens. Cowboy rush job and vaccine does not a good combination make. So I'll let the naive, scared and desperate take it first. If/ when they don't get messed up, die or start having deformed kids...then I'll consider it safe to take
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All very good points!
But here's the question 4:
Would you rather catch Covid-19 or take the vaccine that arrives, say December 2020?
posted on 4/9/20
You’re up early Ted.
posted on 4/9/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
You’re up early Ted.
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Maybe where you are, but.......not where I am!
posted on 5/9/20
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
1. Depends how long it takes them to come up with it. Anything less than 3-5 years and it's a no from me.
2. Yes but whether it does so effectively and without killing or damaging people or their unborn children is a whole 'nother story.
3. I don't care because I'll be one of the last people to take it whatever happens. Cowboy rush job and vaccine does not a good combination make. So I'll let the naive, scared and desperate take it first. If/ when they don't get messed up, die or start having deformed kids...then I'll consider it safe to take
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All very good points!
But here's the question 4:
Would you rather catch Covid-19 or take the vaccine that arrives, say December 2020?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm healthy with a very strong immune system these days. So I'm picking the bug over the rushed vaccine any day of the week. There are still millions of us who can remember the headache (if I remember rightly) tablet that caused babies to be born with no arms and legs, when pregnant women took it.
The long-term side effect data is CRITICALLY important to any and every new drug. Rolling out a drug, on mass whilst you don't have any. Is nothing short of FECKING IDIOTIC! It's potentially just as devastating as the Covid-19 itself. Maybe even worse because a vaccine can end up programming the body to turn on/kill itself..
posted on 5/9/20
http://thalidomidestory.com/
If you don't already know, take a look at what can and has happened, when you don't get adequate data on the potential long term effects of a drug, before giving it to millions of people. Took 'em 5 years to figure out what they'd done.
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