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What this translates as is you suggesting that actual concepts like inflation don't matter when comparing how much things cost in different years. Its a pretty basic economic concept that I'm sure you must have some understanding of.
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i understand exactly how inflation works, thanks. i also still doubt your claim, but since you've offered us such compelling proof, i'll leave it there.
and given that you failed to mention the crux of your argument in the first place, you might want to dial down the intellectual smugness.
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Yes, I forgot to mention, acknowledged that I had forgotten and corrected myself.
https://tomkinstimes.com/2020/01/craving-context-worlds-best-liverpool-would-be-cheapest-champions-bar-leicester-since-1992/
There you go. The article goes quite in-depth and transfer inflation in the PL has been tracked by the authors since 2010 when they studied every PL transfer from 1992 onward to establish the average transfer cost per season and be able to accurately work out transfer inflation.
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I’m not sure how they value the United squad from 06/07 for example.
Only Rooney & Rio were big money at the time they signed so I don’t see how the money spent on that squad would total more than Liverpool’s has done.
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Rio was signed for about £30 million in 2002. Adjusted for inflation this equates to around £170 million in 2019 prices, Rooney was a similar amount.
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30m in 2002 adjusted for inflation to 2019 is 49m in 2019 🤷♂️
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He means current price but how that translates to £170m for a defender is beyond me.
Rio was a record for the time I think beating Thuram to Juve for a few million less so it wasn’t a huge jump by any means. Therefore a fairer figure would be at an absolute max £100m. £170m is just bonkers
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Yes it is bonkers. Because a £30 million pound transfer in 2002 was absolutely bonkers but people forget this because £30 million is not special now. £30 million then would be a little less than the world record of approx £45 million. £180 million now woild be a little less than the World record of approx £200 million
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Thuram to Juve so no it wasn’t absolutely bonkers.
You’re putting spin to suit your agenda which isn’t even needed! No-one is accusing Liverpool like people did against Chelsea in 2005 or City when they started winning.
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You seem to be struggling with this concept of inflation. It measures how transfer prices have changed over the years. It is a simple mathematical formula. Other teams will have been responsible for the average price of transfers going up as well but that doesnt mean it didn't happen.
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no offence, but having worked in finance for 20 years i don't need your inflation 101 lesson.
and i've seen enough DCFs - which are themselves simple mathematical formulae, but still dependent on the rule of GIGO - to know that there isn't a single correct answer to this kind of thing.
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What this translates as is you suggesting that actual concepts like inflation don't matter when comparing how much things cost in different years. Its a pretty basic economic concept that I'm sure you must have some understanding of.
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i understand exactly how inflation works, thanks. i also still doubt your claim, but since you've offered us such compelling proof, i'll leave it there.
and given that you failed to mention the crux of your argument in the first place, you might want to dial down the intellectual smugness.
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Yes, I forgot to mention, acknowledged that I had forgotten and corrected myself.
https://tomkinstimes.com/2020/01/craving-context-worlds-best-liverpool-would-be-cheapest-champions-bar-leicester-since-1992/
There you go. The article goes quite in-depth and transfer inflation in the PL has been tracked by the authors since 2010 when they studied every PL transfer from 1992 onward to establish the average transfer cost per season and be able to accurately work out transfer inflation.
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I’m not sure how they value the United squad from 06/07 for example.
Only Rooney & Rio were big money at the time they signed so I don’t see how the money spent on that squad would total more than Liverpool’s has done.
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Rio was signed for about £30 million in 2002. Adjusted for inflation this equates to around £170 million in 2019 prices, Rooney was a similar amount.
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30m in 2002 adjusted for inflation to 2019 is 49m in 2019 🤷♂️
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He means current price but how that translates to £170m for a defender is beyond me.
Rio was a record for the time I think beating Thuram to Juve for a few million less so it wasn’t a huge jump by any means. Therefore a fairer figure would be at an absolute max £100m. £170m is just bonkers
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Yes it is bonkers. Because a £30 million pound transfer in 2002 was absolutely bonkers but people forget this because £30 million is not special now. £30 million then would be a little less than the world record of approx £45 million. £180 million now woild be a little less than the World record of approx £200 million
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Thuram to Juve so no it wasn’t absolutely bonkers.
You’re putting spin to suit your agenda which isn’t even needed! No-one is accusing Liverpool like people did against Chelsea in 2005 or City when they started winning.
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And Buffon to Juve also.
I’ve used your formula and it fails to show that Rio would be £170m and it undervalues Rooney.
It’s a crap formula that doesn’t work.
I am confident that the United squad of 06/07 would be cheaper than Liverpool 19/20 mostly because we had so many players that cost us nothing.
Hold your hands up Welsh, go on son.
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You seem to be struggling with this concept of inflation. It measures how transfer prices have changed over the years. It is a simple mathematical formula. Other teams will have been responsible for the average price of transfers going up as well but that doesnt mean it didn't happen.
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no offence, but having worked in finance for 20 years i don't need your inflation 101 lesson.
and i've seen enough DCFs - which are themselves simple mathematical formulae, but still dependent on the rule of GIGO - to know that there isn't a single correct answer to this kind of thing.
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What this translates as is you suggesting that actual concepts like inflation don't matter when comparing how much things cost in different years. Its a pretty basic economic concept that I'm sure you must have some understanding of.
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i understand exactly how inflation works, thanks. i also still doubt your claim, but since you've offered us such compelling proof, i'll leave it there.
and given that you failed to mention the crux of your argument in the first place, you might want to dial down the intellectual smugness.
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Yes, I forgot to mention, acknowledged that I had forgotten and corrected myself.
https://tomkinstimes.com/2020/01/craving-context-worlds-best-liverpool-would-be-cheapest-champions-bar-leicester-since-1992/
There you go. The article goes quite in-depth and transfer inflation in the PL has been tracked by the authors since 2010 when they studied every PL transfer from 1992 onward to establish the average transfer cost per season and be able to accurately work out transfer inflation.
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I’m not sure how they value the United squad from 06/07 for example.
Only Rooney & Rio were big money at the time they signed so I don’t see how the money spent on that squad would total more than Liverpool’s has done.
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Rio was signed for about £30 million in 2002. Adjusted for inflation this equates to around £170 million in 2019 prices, Rooney was a similar amount.
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That’s a ridiculous way to adjust. It was a record fee for a defender so the fair adjustment is a record fee for a defender in 2020 surely. Lilian Thuram to Juve was £25m so that’s what? £150m+ by 2020?
That formula doesn’t stack up mate.
You’re trying too hard to disprove something that no-one is accusing Liverpool of ie. buying the league. You spent big and you’re amazing manager, great purchases, those purchases mostly all working out and very good injury record is what has won you the league. But you have spent big.
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It isnt a ridiculous way to adjust it. It is literally how inflation works. Your suggested way would be cherry picking numbers to find something that works for you.
You look at how much the average transfer was in 02, then how much the average transfer was in 2020. If the average transfer was £1 million in 02 and £6 million in 2020 (those are just for the sake of example) then you would multiply an 02 transfer by the difference (in this example it would be 6) to find what that transfer cost in 2020 money.
Or to simplify - if Rio cost 30 times the average transfer in 02 then you need to consider him as 30 tomes the average transfer in 2020 to be able to compare.
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Ok bud, I have done exactly what you’re talking about.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-average-premier-league-16552046.amp
In 2002 it’s about £5m, we paid £30m so that 6x
The average now is about £16m x 6 = £96m
Let’s do the same for Rooney:
Average was £6m we paid £27m so that’s 4.5x
Average now is £16m x 4.5 = £72m
Are you starting to see where this formula is wrong? Rooney would be more than £72m in this market.
Rooney would be around Sancho level so around £100-£120m today and Rio would be between £90m-£100m
£170m is literally complete nonsense.
Add that all up with people like Evra, Vidić costing £7m each. GNev free, Scholes free, Wes Brown free, Giggs Free, Solskjær £2m, Larsson loan, Edwin, Heinze, Carrick was £18m, Alan Smith, Ronaldo £12m in 2003.
Do the same for them add it all up and use your formula and then tell me it’s not cheaper than whatever Klopp has spent.
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Thats weird because using your own link the average price for the 02/03 season was £3.3 million which means that Rio was 9 times the average price. This means that in todays money he would be about £145.5 million.
Given there has been a little deflation in the last couple of years, it means that 2 seasons ago (when Liverpool spent £75 million VVD so a hand comparison) it woild have been £168.8 million. So not too far from £170 million.
Rooney in 04/05 was about 4 million average and so 27 was very nearly 8 times the average. I'm rounding to 28 just for easy of times tables. Today that would put him at easily over £100 million.
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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
You seem to be struggling with this concept of inflation. It measures how transfer prices have changed over the years. It is a simple mathematical formula. Other teams will have been responsible for the average price of transfers going up as well but that doesnt mean it didn't happen.
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no offence, but having worked in finance for 20 years i don't need your inflation 101 lesson.
and i've seen enough DCFs - which are themselves simple mathematical formulae, but still dependent on the rule of GIGO - to know that there isn't a single correct answer to this kind of thing.
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Then you really shouldn't be finding it so hard to grasp then.
Are you looking at the graph? 2001/2002 is literally just under £5m
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Are you looking at the graph? 2001/2002 is literally just under £5m
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If you scroll down further they actually provide the average values for each season in a written list.
Also they didn't sign Rio in the 01/02 season. They signed him in July 2002 which falls into the 02 03 season because that is the season it affect. You cant sign a player in July 02 to play in the 01 02 season because it has already finished.
Soooo...that Thiago is a good player isn’t he?
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What this translates as is you suggesting that actual concepts like inflation don't matter when comparing how much things cost in different years. Its a pretty basic economic concept that I'm sure you must have some understanding of.
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i understand exactly how inflation works, thanks. i also still doubt your claim, but since you've offered us such compelling proof, i'll leave it there.
and given that you failed to mention the crux of your argument in the first place, you might want to dial down the intellectual smugness.
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Yes, I forgot to mention, acknowledged that I had forgotten and corrected myself.
https://tomkinstimes.com/2020/01/craving-context-worlds-best-liverpool-would-be-cheapest-champions-bar-leicester-since-1992/
There you go. The article goes quite in-depth and transfer inflation in the PL has been tracked by the authors since 2010 when they studied every PL transfer from 1992 onward to establish the average transfer cost per season and be able to accurately work out transfer inflation.
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I’m not sure how they value the United squad from 06/07 for example.
Only Rooney & Rio were big money at the time they signed so I don’t see how the money spent on that squad would total more than Liverpool’s has done.
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Rio was signed for about £30 million in 2002. Adjusted for inflation this equates to around £170 million in 2019 prices, Rooney was a similar amount.
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That’s a ridiculous way to adjust. It was a record fee for a defender so the fair adjustment is a record fee for a defender in 2020 surely. Lilian Thuram to Juve was £25m so that’s what? £150m+ by 2020?
That formula doesn’t stack up mate.
You’re trying too hard to disprove something that no-one is accusing Liverpool of ie. buying the league. You spent big and you’re amazing manager, great purchases, those purchases mostly all working out and very good injury record is what has won you the league. But you have spent big.
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It isnt a ridiculous way to adjust it. It is literally how inflation works. Your suggested way would be cherry picking numbers to find something that works for you.
You look at how much the average transfer was in 02, then how much the average transfer was in 2020. If the average transfer was £1 million in 02 and £6 million in 2020 (those are just for the sake of example) then you would multiply an 02 transfer by the difference (in this example it would be 6) to find what that transfer cost in 2020 money.
Or to simplify - if Rio cost 30 times the average transfer in 02 then you need to consider him as 30 tomes the average transfer in 2020 to be able to compare.
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Ok bud, I have done exactly what you’re talking about.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-average-premier-league-16552046.amp
In 2002 it’s about £5m, we paid £30m so that 6x
The average now is about £16m x 6 = £96m
Let’s do the same for Rooney:
Average was £6m we paid £27m so that’s 4.5x
Average now is £16m x 4.5 = £72m
Are you starting to see where this formula is wrong? Rooney would be more than £72m in this market.
Rooney would be around Sancho level so around £100-£120m today and Rio would be between £90m-£100m
£170m is literally complete nonsense.
Add that all up with people like Evra, Vidić costing £7m each. GNev free, Scholes free, Wes Brown free, Giggs Free, Solskjær £2m, Larsson loan, Edwin, Heinze, Carrick was £18m, Alan Smith, Ronaldo £12m in 2003.
Do the same for them add it all up and use your formula and then tell me it’s not cheaper than whatever Klopp has spent.
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Thats weird because using your own link the average price for the 02/03 season was £3.3 million which means that Rio was 9 times the average price. This means that in todays money he would be about £145.5 million.
Given there has been a little deflation in the last couple of years, it means that 2 seasons ago (when Liverpool spent £75 million VVD so a hand comparison) it woild have been £168.8 million. So not too far from £170 million.
Rooney in 04/05 was about 4 million average and so 27 was very nearly 8 times the average. I'm rounding to 28 just for easy of times tables. Today that would put him at easily over £100 million.
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Applying a formula like this simply doesn’t work mate, no matter what you say.
Thuram was £25m Rio then £30m so it wasn’t bonkers it was just a record. Record is now Harry Maguire right at £85m so why you think that Rio would command or that anyone would pay £145m or originally £170m is just madness and doesn’t make sense.
Rio would be £100m or less and you know it.
Rooney would be £100m-£120m and you know.
Add that to our other signings and as I said, I’d bet it costs less than your squad does now, mostly due to our academy players and good bargains such as Evra, Vidić, Larsson and Ronaldo.
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Net spend doesn’t include wages either, which makes up the bulk of team’s spending. Football clubs don’t actually use net spend as a means of gauging their spending and finances, it’s just something fans use without context.
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As I said earlier, It means nothing. Never has never will.
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Are you looking at the graph? 2001/2002 is literally just under £5m
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If you scroll down further they actually provide the average values for each season in a written list.
Also they didn't sign Rio in the 01/02 season. They signed him in July 2002 which falls into the 02 03 season because that is the season it affect. You cant sign a player in July 02 to play in the 01 02 season because it has already finished.
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Fine understood but this formula simply doesn’t work mate and explained why and you know that those figures are completely wrong. Rio £170m or even £145m is madness. Thuram’s transfer shows that it was a record fee, nothing more.
Record for record is the fairer realistic comparison.
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What this translates as is you suggesting that actual concepts like inflation don't matter when comparing how much things cost in different years. Its a pretty basic economic concept that I'm sure you must have some understanding of.
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i understand exactly how inflation works, thanks. i also still doubt your claim, but since you've offered us such compelling proof, i'll leave it there.
and given that you failed to mention the crux of your argument in the first place, you might want to dial down the intellectual smugness.
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Yes, I forgot to mention, acknowledged that I had forgotten and corrected myself.
https://tomkinstimes.com/2020/01/craving-context-worlds-best-liverpool-would-be-cheapest-champions-bar-leicester-since-1992/
There you go. The article goes quite in-depth and transfer inflation in the PL has been tracked by the authors since 2010 when they studied every PL transfer from 1992 onward to establish the average transfer cost per season and be able to accurately work out transfer inflation.
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I’m not sure how they value the United squad from 06/07 for example.
Only Rooney & Rio were big money at the time they signed so I don’t see how the money spent on that squad would total more than Liverpool’s has done.
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Rio was signed for about £30 million in 2002. Adjusted for inflation this equates to around £170 million in 2019 prices, Rooney was a similar amount.
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That’s a ridiculous way to adjust. It was a record fee for a defender so the fair adjustment is a record fee for a defender in 2020 surely. Lilian Thuram to Juve was £25m so that’s what? £150m+ by 2020?
That formula doesn’t stack up mate.
You’re trying too hard to disprove something that no-one is accusing Liverpool of ie. buying the league. You spent big and you’re amazing manager, great purchases, those purchases mostly all working out and very good injury record is what has won you the league. But you have spent big.
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It isnt a ridiculous way to adjust it. It is literally how inflation works. Your suggested way would be cherry picking numbers to find something that works for you.
You look at how much the average transfer was in 02, then how much the average transfer was in 2020. If the average transfer was £1 million in 02 and £6 million in 2020 (those are just for the sake of example) then you would multiply an 02 transfer by the difference (in this example it would be 6) to find what that transfer cost in 2020 money.
Or to simplify - if Rio cost 30 times the average transfer in 02 then you need to consider him as 30 tomes the average transfer in 2020 to be able to compare.
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Ok bud, I have done exactly what you’re talking about.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-average-premier-league-16552046.amp
In 2002 it’s about £5m, we paid £30m so that 6x
The average now is about £16m x 6 = £96m
Let’s do the same for Rooney:
Average was £6m we paid £27m so that’s 4.5x
Average now is £16m x 4.5 = £72m
Are you starting to see where this formula is wrong? Rooney would be more than £72m in this market.
Rooney would be around Sancho level so around £100-£120m today and Rio would be between £90m-£100m
£170m is literally complete nonsense.
Add that all up with people like Evra, Vidić costing £7m each. GNev free, Scholes free, Wes Brown free, Giggs Free, Solskjær £2m, Larsson loan, Edwin, Heinze, Carrick was £18m, Alan Smith, Ronaldo £12m in 2003.
Do the same for them add it all up and use your formula and then tell me it’s not cheaper than whatever Klopp has spent.
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Thats weird because using your own link the average price for the 02/03 season was £3.3 million which means that Rio was 9 times the average price. This means that in todays money he would be about £145.5 million.
Given there has been a little deflation in the last couple of years, it means that 2 seasons ago (when Liverpool spent £75 million VVD so a hand comparison) it woild have been £168.8 million. So not too far from £170 million.
Rooney in 04/05 was about 4 million average and so 27 was very nearly 8 times the average. I'm rounding to 28 just for easy of times tables. Today that would put him at easily over £100 million.
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Applying a formula like this simply doesn’t work mate, no matter what you say.
Thuram was £25m Rio then £30m so it wasn’t bonkers it was just a record. Record is now Harry Maguire right at £85m so why you think that Rio would command or that anyone would pay £145m or originally £170m is just madness and doesn’t make sense.
Rio would be £100m or less and you know it.
Rooney would be £100m-£120m and you know.
Add that to our other signings and as I said, I’d bet it costs less than your squad does now, mostly due to our academy players and good bargains such as Evra, Vidić, Larsson and Ronaldo.
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So you tried to find an alternative source to back your belief up. I then pointed out that your own source you found backs me up and not you so now you have chsnged to "it doesn't work like that".
All this does is show how comparatively expensive teams in different years cost to put together. We have established that Rio cost 9 times the average transfer fee at the time. This is the same as a team spending £145 million in a player for the last season.
You say that United wouldn't ever spend 9 times the transfer fee for Rip today, but they spent 9 times the average fee in 2002 so why wouldn't they today? There have been been several transfers of over £140 million and at the time there was several transfer over £30 million.
No I was applying your formula and that has already reduced Rio from £170m to £145m, that’s if we take this formula as gospel which no-one does apart from you.
The reason why United spent £30m on Rio, among other things is that this was the cost of too too defender worthy of a record fee, previous was Thuram as I have pointed out.
Current record is £85m. Jump from Thuram to Rio was £25m to £30m so there is no chance that United, or anyone else for that matter, would jump from £85m to £145m or £170m.
Surely you understand this and therefore why the formula doesn’t work.
The same jump as from Thuram to Rio when applied to £85m is £102m. Jumping to £145m is a 60% jump.
As I’ve said £100m for Rio nothing like £170m
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Are you looking at the graph? 2001/2002 is literally just under £5m
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If you scroll down further they actually provide the average values for each season in a written list.
Also they didn't sign Rio in the 01/02 season. They signed him in July 2002 which falls into the 02 03 season because that is the season it affect. You cant sign a player in July 02 to play in the 01 02 season because it has already finished.
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Fine understood but this formula simply doesn’t work mate and explained why and you know that those figures are completely wrong. Rio £170m or even £145m is madness. Thuram’s transfer shows that it was a record fee, nothing more.
Record for record is the fairer realistic comparison.
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No record for record is a cherry picked statistic that you want to use because it supports your point despite the fact that the transfer fee record often goes several years without changing.
Fact is, United in 2002 spent 9 times the average price in a player. So when we want to conpare with teams today, we apply 9 time the current average price to determine that the spent comparatively more.
Without an equally applied baseline it is not possible to commit a fair comparison on what teams in different years actually cost. Rio Ferdonand wasn't just an expensive defender, he was (and remained for at least 3 years) the most expensive player purchased by a British team at the time ever. Paul pogba is the current British record transfer at £90 million ish. That was 4 years ago and the average price lower then that it is now. The British record went from 15 million for shearer to 30 millipn for rio in the space of 6 years (100% increase), so why wouldn't it go from 90 to 145 in the space of 4 years (60% ish increase) now?
Ok I’ll leave it there bud, you think what you think and I think what I think.
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Ok I’ll leave it there bud, you think what you think and I think what I think.
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Ok
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Liverpool are broke and skint AF!
They'll have to pay in pennies by instalments for the player
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Pretty funny that coming from the supporter of a club with the tightest chairman in Europe
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We could not sign anyone for the next five years and still have more chance of winning something than Spurs.
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That's why the only time you won anything is after spending £200m + in two season? You don't have talk some bollox!
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The only time? That’s pretty thick even by your own standards....
Why not just add up every transfer Liverpool have made since the start of the PL and adjust it with whatever formula you want and it’s clear to see
No team in the PL history has spent more per title than Liverpool
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
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Why not just add up every transfer Liverpool have made since the start of the PL and adjust it with whatever formula you want and it’s clear to see
No team in the PL history has spent more per title than Liverpool
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Except for every team that hasn't won the title and so is stuck on an infinite amount of money per title.
Didn’t think that one through properly did you Jim.
It’s fine, we already knew you were stupid.
Simpletons on parade
If they don’t have a title then their cost per title is NA
Liverpool head and shoulders above the others in cost per title
Using one of the backwards logics above this billion pound plus cost is likely 50 billion with some of the maths applied above.
Scary cost for one little title
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What this translates as is you suggesting that actual concepts like inflation don't matter when comparing how much things cost in different years. Its a pretty basic economic concept that I'm sure you must have some understanding of.
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i understand exactly how inflation works, thanks. i also still doubt your claim, but since you've offered us such compelling proof, i'll leave it there.
and given that you failed to mention the crux of your argument in the first place, you might want to dial down the intellectual smugness.
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Yes, I forgot to mention, acknowledged that I had forgotten and corrected myself.
https://tomkinstimes.com/2020/01/craving-context-worlds-best-liverpool-would-be-cheapest-champions-bar-leicester-since-1992/
There you go. The article goes quite in-depth and transfer inflation in the PL has been tracked by the authors since 2010 when they studied every PL transfer from 1992 onward to establish the average transfer cost per season and be able to accurately work out transfer inflation.
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I’m not sure how they value the United squad from 06/07 for example.
Only Rooney & Rio were big money at the time they signed so I don’t see how the money spent on that squad would total more than Liverpool’s has done.
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Rio was signed for about £30 million in 2002. Adjusted for inflation this equates to around £170 million in 2019 prices, Rooney was a similar amount.
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30m in 2002 adjusted for inflation to 2019 is 49m in 2019 🤷♂️
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He means current price but how that translates to £170m for a defender is beyond me.
Rio was a record for the time I think beating Thuram to Juve for a few million less so it wasn’t a huge jump by any means. Therefore a fairer figure would be at an absolute max £100m. £170m is just bonkers
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Yes it is bonkers. Because a £30 million pound transfer in 2002 was absolutely bonkers but people forget this because £30 million is not special now. £30 million then would be a little less than the world record of approx £45 million. £180 million now woild be a little less than the World record of approx £200 million
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Thuram to Juve so no it wasn’t absolutely bonkers.
You’re putting spin to suit your agenda which isn’t even needed! No-one is accusing Liverpool like people did against Chelsea in 2005 or City when they started winning.
posted on 12/9/20
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
You seem to be struggling with this concept of inflation. It measures how transfer prices have changed over the years. It is a simple mathematical formula. Other teams will have been responsible for the average price of transfers going up as well but that doesnt mean it didn't happen.
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no offence, but having worked in finance for 20 years i don't need your inflation 101 lesson.
and i've seen enough DCFs - which are themselves simple mathematical formulae, but still dependent on the rule of GIGO - to know that there isn't a single correct answer to this kind of thing.
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What this translates as is you suggesting that actual concepts like inflation don't matter when comparing how much things cost in different years. Its a pretty basic economic concept that I'm sure you must have some understanding of.
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i understand exactly how inflation works, thanks. i also still doubt your claim, but since you've offered us such compelling proof, i'll leave it there.
and given that you failed to mention the crux of your argument in the first place, you might want to dial down the intellectual smugness.
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Yes, I forgot to mention, acknowledged that I had forgotten and corrected myself.
https://tomkinstimes.com/2020/01/craving-context-worlds-best-liverpool-would-be-cheapest-champions-bar-leicester-since-1992/
There you go. The article goes quite in-depth and transfer inflation in the PL has been tracked by the authors since 2010 when they studied every PL transfer from 1992 onward to establish the average transfer cost per season and be able to accurately work out transfer inflation.
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I’m not sure how they value the United squad from 06/07 for example.
Only Rooney & Rio were big money at the time they signed so I don’t see how the money spent on that squad would total more than Liverpool’s has done.
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Rio was signed for about £30 million in 2002. Adjusted for inflation this equates to around £170 million in 2019 prices, Rooney was a similar amount.
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30m in 2002 adjusted for inflation to 2019 is 49m in 2019 🤷♂️
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He means current price but how that translates to £170m for a defender is beyond me.
Rio was a record for the time I think beating Thuram to Juve for a few million less so it wasn’t a huge jump by any means. Therefore a fairer figure would be at an absolute max £100m. £170m is just bonkers
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Yes it is bonkers. Because a £30 million pound transfer in 2002 was absolutely bonkers but people forget this because £30 million is not special now. £30 million then would be a little less than the world record of approx £45 million. £180 million now woild be a little less than the World record of approx £200 million
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Thuram to Juve so no it wasn’t absolutely bonkers.
You’re putting spin to suit your agenda which isn’t even needed! No-one is accusing Liverpool like people did against Chelsea in 2005 or City when they started winning.
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And Buffon to Juve also.
I’ve used your formula and it fails to show that Rio would be £170m and it undervalues Rooney.
It’s a crap formula that doesn’t work.
I am confident that the United squad of 06/07 would be cheaper than Liverpool 19/20 mostly because we had so many players that cost us nothing.
posted on 12/9/20
Hold your hands up Welsh, go on son.
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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
You seem to be struggling with this concept of inflation. It measures how transfer prices have changed over the years. It is a simple mathematical formula. Other teams will have been responsible for the average price of transfers going up as well but that doesnt mean it didn't happen.
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no offence, but having worked in finance for 20 years i don't need your inflation 101 lesson.
and i've seen enough DCFs - which are themselves simple mathematical formulae, but still dependent on the rule of GIGO - to know that there isn't a single correct answer to this kind of thing.
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What this translates as is you suggesting that actual concepts like inflation don't matter when comparing how much things cost in different years. Its a pretty basic economic concept that I'm sure you must have some understanding of.
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i understand exactly how inflation works, thanks. i also still doubt your claim, but since you've offered us such compelling proof, i'll leave it there.
and given that you failed to mention the crux of your argument in the first place, you might want to dial down the intellectual smugness.
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Yes, I forgot to mention, acknowledged that I had forgotten and corrected myself.
https://tomkinstimes.com/2020/01/craving-context-worlds-best-liverpool-would-be-cheapest-champions-bar-leicester-since-1992/
There you go. The article goes quite in-depth and transfer inflation in the PL has been tracked by the authors since 2010 when they studied every PL transfer from 1992 onward to establish the average transfer cost per season and be able to accurately work out transfer inflation.
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I’m not sure how they value the United squad from 06/07 for example.
Only Rooney & Rio were big money at the time they signed so I don’t see how the money spent on that squad would total more than Liverpool’s has done.
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Rio was signed for about £30 million in 2002. Adjusted for inflation this equates to around £170 million in 2019 prices, Rooney was a similar amount.
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That’s a ridiculous way to adjust. It was a record fee for a defender so the fair adjustment is a record fee for a defender in 2020 surely. Lilian Thuram to Juve was £25m so that’s what? £150m+ by 2020?
That formula doesn’t stack up mate.
You’re trying too hard to disprove something that no-one is accusing Liverpool of ie. buying the league. You spent big and you’re amazing manager, great purchases, those purchases mostly all working out and very good injury record is what has won you the league. But you have spent big.
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It isnt a ridiculous way to adjust it. It is literally how inflation works. Your suggested way would be cherry picking numbers to find something that works for you.
You look at how much the average transfer was in 02, then how much the average transfer was in 2020. If the average transfer was £1 million in 02 and £6 million in 2020 (those are just for the sake of example) then you would multiply an 02 transfer by the difference (in this example it would be 6) to find what that transfer cost in 2020 money.
Or to simplify - if Rio cost 30 times the average transfer in 02 then you need to consider him as 30 tomes the average transfer in 2020 to be able to compare.
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Ok bud, I have done exactly what you’re talking about.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-average-premier-league-16552046.amp
In 2002 it’s about £5m, we paid £30m so that 6x
The average now is about £16m x 6 = £96m
Let’s do the same for Rooney:
Average was £6m we paid £27m so that’s 4.5x
Average now is £16m x 4.5 = £72m
Are you starting to see where this formula is wrong? Rooney would be more than £72m in this market.
Rooney would be around Sancho level so around £100-£120m today and Rio would be between £90m-£100m
£170m is literally complete nonsense.
Add that all up with people like Evra, Vidić costing £7m each. GNev free, Scholes free, Wes Brown free, Giggs Free, Solskjær £2m, Larsson loan, Edwin, Heinze, Carrick was £18m, Alan Smith, Ronaldo £12m in 2003.
Do the same for them add it all up and use your formula and then tell me it’s not cheaper than whatever Klopp has spent.
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Thats weird because using your own link the average price for the 02/03 season was £3.3 million which means that Rio was 9 times the average price. This means that in todays money he would be about £145.5 million.
Given there has been a little deflation in the last couple of years, it means that 2 seasons ago (when Liverpool spent £75 million VVD so a hand comparison) it woild have been £168.8 million. So not too far from £170 million.
Rooney in 04/05 was about 4 million average and so 27 was very nearly 8 times the average. I'm rounding to 28 just for easy of times tables. Today that would put him at easily over £100 million.
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comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
You seem to be struggling with this concept of inflation. It measures how transfer prices have changed over the years. It is a simple mathematical formula. Other teams will have been responsible for the average price of transfers going up as well but that doesnt mean it didn't happen.
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no offence, but having worked in finance for 20 years i don't need your inflation 101 lesson.
and i've seen enough DCFs - which are themselves simple mathematical formulae, but still dependent on the rule of GIGO - to know that there isn't a single correct answer to this kind of thing.
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Then you really shouldn't be finding it so hard to grasp then.
posted on 12/9/20
Are you looking at the graph? 2001/2002 is literally just under £5m
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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Are you looking at the graph? 2001/2002 is literally just under £5m
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If you scroll down further they actually provide the average values for each season in a written list.
Also they didn't sign Rio in the 01/02 season. They signed him in July 2002 which falls into the 02 03 season because that is the season it affect. You cant sign a player in July 02 to play in the 01 02 season because it has already finished.
posted on 12/9/20
Soooo...that Thiago is a good player isn’t he?
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What this translates as is you suggesting that actual concepts like inflation don't matter when comparing how much things cost in different years. Its a pretty basic economic concept that I'm sure you must have some understanding of.
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i understand exactly how inflation works, thanks. i also still doubt your claim, but since you've offered us such compelling proof, i'll leave it there.
and given that you failed to mention the crux of your argument in the first place, you might want to dial down the intellectual smugness.
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Yes, I forgot to mention, acknowledged that I had forgotten and corrected myself.
https://tomkinstimes.com/2020/01/craving-context-worlds-best-liverpool-would-be-cheapest-champions-bar-leicester-since-1992/
There you go. The article goes quite in-depth and transfer inflation in the PL has been tracked by the authors since 2010 when they studied every PL transfer from 1992 onward to establish the average transfer cost per season and be able to accurately work out transfer inflation.
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I’m not sure how they value the United squad from 06/07 for example.
Only Rooney & Rio were big money at the time they signed so I don’t see how the money spent on that squad would total more than Liverpool’s has done.
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Rio was signed for about £30 million in 2002. Adjusted for inflation this equates to around £170 million in 2019 prices, Rooney was a similar amount.
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That’s a ridiculous way to adjust. It was a record fee for a defender so the fair adjustment is a record fee for a defender in 2020 surely. Lilian Thuram to Juve was £25m so that’s what? £150m+ by 2020?
That formula doesn’t stack up mate.
You’re trying too hard to disprove something that no-one is accusing Liverpool of ie. buying the league. You spent big and you’re amazing manager, great purchases, those purchases mostly all working out and very good injury record is what has won you the league. But you have spent big.
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It isnt a ridiculous way to adjust it. It is literally how inflation works. Your suggested way would be cherry picking numbers to find something that works for you.
You look at how much the average transfer was in 02, then how much the average transfer was in 2020. If the average transfer was £1 million in 02 and £6 million in 2020 (those are just for the sake of example) then you would multiply an 02 transfer by the difference (in this example it would be 6) to find what that transfer cost in 2020 money.
Or to simplify - if Rio cost 30 times the average transfer in 02 then you need to consider him as 30 tomes the average transfer in 2020 to be able to compare.
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Ok bud, I have done exactly what you’re talking about.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-average-premier-league-16552046.amp
In 2002 it’s about £5m, we paid £30m so that 6x
The average now is about £16m x 6 = £96m
Let’s do the same for Rooney:
Average was £6m we paid £27m so that’s 4.5x
Average now is £16m x 4.5 = £72m
Are you starting to see where this formula is wrong? Rooney would be more than £72m in this market.
Rooney would be around Sancho level so around £100-£120m today and Rio would be between £90m-£100m
£170m is literally complete nonsense.
Add that all up with people like Evra, Vidić costing £7m each. GNev free, Scholes free, Wes Brown free, Giggs Free, Solskjær £2m, Larsson loan, Edwin, Heinze, Carrick was £18m, Alan Smith, Ronaldo £12m in 2003.
Do the same for them add it all up and use your formula and then tell me it’s not cheaper than whatever Klopp has spent.
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Thats weird because using your own link the average price for the 02/03 season was £3.3 million which means that Rio was 9 times the average price. This means that in todays money he would be about £145.5 million.
Given there has been a little deflation in the last couple of years, it means that 2 seasons ago (when Liverpool spent £75 million VVD so a hand comparison) it woild have been £168.8 million. So not too far from £170 million.
Rooney in 04/05 was about 4 million average and so 27 was very nearly 8 times the average. I'm rounding to 28 just for easy of times tables. Today that would put him at easily over £100 million.
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Applying a formula like this simply doesn’t work mate, no matter what you say.
Thuram was £25m Rio then £30m so it wasn’t bonkers it was just a record. Record is now Harry Maguire right at £85m so why you think that Rio would command or that anyone would pay £145m or originally £170m is just madness and doesn’t make sense.
Rio would be £100m or less and you know it.
Rooney would be £100m-£120m and you know.
Add that to our other signings and as I said, I’d bet it costs less than your squad does now, mostly due to our academy players and good bargains such as Evra, Vidić, Larsson and Ronaldo.
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comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
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Net spend doesn’t include wages either, which makes up the bulk of team’s spending. Football clubs don’t actually use net spend as a means of gauging their spending and finances, it’s just something fans use without context.
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As I said earlier, It means nothing. Never has never will.
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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
Are you looking at the graph? 2001/2002 is literally just under £5m
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If you scroll down further they actually provide the average values for each season in a written list.
Also they didn't sign Rio in the 01/02 season. They signed him in July 2002 which falls into the 02 03 season because that is the season it affect. You cant sign a player in July 02 to play in the 01 02 season because it has already finished.
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Fine understood but this formula simply doesn’t work mate and explained why and you know that those figures are completely wrong. Rio £170m or even £145m is madness. Thuram’s transfer shows that it was a record fee, nothing more.
Record for record is the fairer realistic comparison.
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What this translates as is you suggesting that actual concepts like inflation don't matter when comparing how much things cost in different years. Its a pretty basic economic concept that I'm sure you must have some understanding of.
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i understand exactly how inflation works, thanks. i also still doubt your claim, but since you've offered us such compelling proof, i'll leave it there.
and given that you failed to mention the crux of your argument in the first place, you might want to dial down the intellectual smugness.
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Yes, I forgot to mention, acknowledged that I had forgotten and corrected myself.
https://tomkinstimes.com/2020/01/craving-context-worlds-best-liverpool-would-be-cheapest-champions-bar-leicester-since-1992/
There you go. The article goes quite in-depth and transfer inflation in the PL has been tracked by the authors since 2010 when they studied every PL transfer from 1992 onward to establish the average transfer cost per season and be able to accurately work out transfer inflation.
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I’m not sure how they value the United squad from 06/07 for example.
Only Rooney & Rio were big money at the time they signed so I don’t see how the money spent on that squad would total more than Liverpool’s has done.
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Rio was signed for about £30 million in 2002. Adjusted for inflation this equates to around £170 million in 2019 prices, Rooney was a similar amount.
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That’s a ridiculous way to adjust. It was a record fee for a defender so the fair adjustment is a record fee for a defender in 2020 surely. Lilian Thuram to Juve was £25m so that’s what? £150m+ by 2020?
That formula doesn’t stack up mate.
You’re trying too hard to disprove something that no-one is accusing Liverpool of ie. buying the league. You spent big and you’re amazing manager, great purchases, those purchases mostly all working out and very good injury record is what has won you the league. But you have spent big.
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It isnt a ridiculous way to adjust it. It is literally how inflation works. Your suggested way would be cherry picking numbers to find something that works for you.
You look at how much the average transfer was in 02, then how much the average transfer was in 2020. If the average transfer was £1 million in 02 and £6 million in 2020 (those are just for the sake of example) then you would multiply an 02 transfer by the difference (in this example it would be 6) to find what that transfer cost in 2020 money.
Or to simplify - if Rio cost 30 times the average transfer in 02 then you need to consider him as 30 tomes the average transfer in 2020 to be able to compare.
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Ok bud, I have done exactly what you’re talking about.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-average-premier-league-16552046.amp
In 2002 it’s about £5m, we paid £30m so that 6x
The average now is about £16m x 6 = £96m
Let’s do the same for Rooney:
Average was £6m we paid £27m so that’s 4.5x
Average now is £16m x 4.5 = £72m
Are you starting to see where this formula is wrong? Rooney would be more than £72m in this market.
Rooney would be around Sancho level so around £100-£120m today and Rio would be between £90m-£100m
£170m is literally complete nonsense.
Add that all up with people like Evra, Vidić costing £7m each. GNev free, Scholes free, Wes Brown free, Giggs Free, Solskjær £2m, Larsson loan, Edwin, Heinze, Carrick was £18m, Alan Smith, Ronaldo £12m in 2003.
Do the same for them add it all up and use your formula and then tell me it’s not cheaper than whatever Klopp has spent.
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Thats weird because using your own link the average price for the 02/03 season was £3.3 million which means that Rio was 9 times the average price. This means that in todays money he would be about £145.5 million.
Given there has been a little deflation in the last couple of years, it means that 2 seasons ago (when Liverpool spent £75 million VVD so a hand comparison) it woild have been £168.8 million. So not too far from £170 million.
Rooney in 04/05 was about 4 million average and so 27 was very nearly 8 times the average. I'm rounding to 28 just for easy of times tables. Today that would put him at easily over £100 million.
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Applying a formula like this simply doesn’t work mate, no matter what you say.
Thuram was £25m Rio then £30m so it wasn’t bonkers it was just a record. Record is now Harry Maguire right at £85m so why you think that Rio would command or that anyone would pay £145m or originally £170m is just madness and doesn’t make sense.
Rio would be £100m or less and you know it.
Rooney would be £100m-£120m and you know.
Add that to our other signings and as I said, I’d bet it costs less than your squad does now, mostly due to our academy players and good bargains such as Evra, Vidić, Larsson and Ronaldo.
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So you tried to find an alternative source to back your belief up. I then pointed out that your own source you found backs me up and not you so now you have chsnged to "it doesn't work like that".
All this does is show how comparatively expensive teams in different years cost to put together. We have established that Rio cost 9 times the average transfer fee at the time. This is the same as a team spending £145 million in a player for the last season.
You say that United wouldn't ever spend 9 times the transfer fee for Rip today, but they spent 9 times the average fee in 2002 so why wouldn't they today? There have been been several transfers of over £140 million and at the time there was several transfer over £30 million.
posted on 12/9/20
No I was applying your formula and that has already reduced Rio from £170m to £145m, that’s if we take this formula as gospel which no-one does apart from you.
The reason why United spent £30m on Rio, among other things is that this was the cost of too too defender worthy of a record fee, previous was Thuram as I have pointed out.
Current record is £85m. Jump from Thuram to Rio was £25m to £30m so there is no chance that United, or anyone else for that matter, would jump from £85m to £145m or £170m.
Surely you understand this and therefore why the formula doesn’t work.
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The same jump as from Thuram to Rio when applied to £85m is £102m. Jumping to £145m is a 60% jump.
As I’ve said £100m for Rio nothing like £170m
posted on 12/9/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
Are you looking at the graph? 2001/2002 is literally just under £5m
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If you scroll down further they actually provide the average values for each season in a written list.
Also they didn't sign Rio in the 01/02 season. They signed him in July 2002 which falls into the 02 03 season because that is the season it affect. You cant sign a player in July 02 to play in the 01 02 season because it has already finished.
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Fine understood but this formula simply doesn’t work mate and explained why and you know that those figures are completely wrong. Rio £170m or even £145m is madness. Thuram’s transfer shows that it was a record fee, nothing more.
Record for record is the fairer realistic comparison.
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No record for record is a cherry picked statistic that you want to use because it supports your point despite the fact that the transfer fee record often goes several years without changing.
Fact is, United in 2002 spent 9 times the average price in a player. So when we want to conpare with teams today, we apply 9 time the current average price to determine that the spent comparatively more.
Without an equally applied baseline it is not possible to commit a fair comparison on what teams in different years actually cost. Rio Ferdonand wasn't just an expensive defender, he was (and remained for at least 3 years) the most expensive player purchased by a British team at the time ever. Paul pogba is the current British record transfer at £90 million ish. That was 4 years ago and the average price lower then that it is now. The British record went from 15 million for shearer to 30 millipn for rio in the space of 6 years (100% increase), so why wouldn't it go from 90 to 145 in the space of 4 years (60% ish increase) now?
posted on 12/9/20
Ok I’ll leave it there bud, you think what you think and I think what I think.
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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Ok I’ll leave it there bud, you think what you think and I think what I think.
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Ok
posted on 12/9/20
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comment by Constantinople (U11781)
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comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 25 seconds ago
Liverpool are broke and skint AF!
They'll have to pay in pennies by instalments for the player
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Pretty funny that coming from the supporter of a club with the tightest chairman in Europe
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We could not sign anyone for the next five years and still have more chance of winning something than Spurs.
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That's why the only time you won anything is after spending £200m + in two season? You don't have talk some bollox!
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The only time? That’s pretty thick even by your own standards....
posted on 12/9/20
Why not just add up every transfer Liverpool have made since the start of the PL and adjust it with whatever formula you want and it’s clear to see
No team in the PL history has spent more per title than Liverpool
posted on 12/9/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why not just add up every transfer Liverpool have made since the start of the PL and adjust it with whatever formula you want and it’s clear to see
No team in the PL history has spent more per title than Liverpool
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Except for every team that hasn't won the title and so is stuck on an infinite amount of money per title.
posted on 12/9/20
Didn’t think that one through properly did you Jim.
It’s fine, we already knew you were stupid.
posted on 12/9/20
Simpletons on parade
If they don’t have a title then their cost per title is NA
Liverpool head and shoulders above the others in cost per title
Using one of the backwards logics above this billion pound plus cost is likely 50 billion with some of the maths applied above.
Scary cost for one little title
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