Pretty much spot on mate.... The Dele/ Jenas comparison is perfect
We Basically lost Eriksen, Dembele & Wanyama and Dele has fallen off a cliff. In their prime all were great in a 4231. I don't feel like we have replaced any of them properly and are still trying to play in the same formation.
Our defense isn't great but the middle of the park has been our downfall since the start of 2019 when we lost Dembele.... Its why the quality of our overall play is so pi55 poor
With Alli specifically I don't think ANYONE knows his best position, because he doesn't really fit as a midfielder OR a striker. He's a halfway version of both. I agree with your point, though. Mourinho is so stuck in his system despite how badly some of the players clearly don't fit into it.
The midfield players at the club are crying out to be used in a 3-man midfield, with the following roles:
Defensive midfielder, primarily tasked with maintaining position, interceptions, closing down, winning the ball back and moving it onto a more offensive player (Sissoko, Hojbjerg)
Box-to-box midfielder, who is a strong ball-carrier that can drive through midfield from deep, ideally popping up with the odd goal and/or assist (Ndombele, Winks)
Playmaker, who is strong in possession in tight spaces, good at keeping the ball moving and breaking past the opposition press between their midfield and defence. Less defensive responsibility but expected to engage in pressing up the pitch, and get decent goal and assist figures (Lo Celso, Alli)
I know some of those names (Sissoko, Winks, Alli) don't necessarily fit the roles I've assigned them there perfectly, but they all have at least SOME of the required skillset, and they'd be backups anyway - the first-choice options in each role would make for a very good midfield.
use Ndombele and lo celso to actually want to be busy and get on the ball, ping it around making things happen or at least try. Both can roam and make up a mid 3 in defence and be able to be further up the pitch and more influential when we attack.
Hojbjerg isnt great on the ball so should sit more and be a ball winner.
Dele, Lucas and Bergwijn can be great off the bench.
Winks and Sissoko are not good enough in the slightest(at least to be first choice fack me), if Ndombele isnt going to play for whatever reason, sign another midfielder who is class(probably should do this anyway lets be honest, but wont)
play 5 at the back to get the best out of Doherty going forward, Davies can be decent as a LCB option.
Son can be given a free role and more central and Kane will be less isolated.
Sign Reguilon and Milik.
Winks, along with Alli, is the other real "problem" player too. He's not a 6, because he's too flimsy to be a ball-winner like Gattuso and his defensive positioning isn't good enough to be a sitting interceptor/regista like Busquets.
He would work best as a 6/8 hybrid in a progressive, fluid passing system, like Xavi at Barca or De Jong at Ajax - when he came through he showed ability at beating first tackles and progressing the ball forwards, but that seems to have been coached out of him as he's been pushed further and further back into a more defensive role.
I'm not convinced he really has a role in a 4231, but in a 433 - surrounded by other players who are good in possession and a fluid attack - he could be very effective as the "metronome", like Xavi always was with the more offensive Iniesta next to him - Xavi had the freedom to get forwards, but for the most part his role involved moving with possession, making sure he always provided a passing option to recycle possession, seeing more of the ball than any other player.
The irony of a player like Winks is that he'd look great in a team like City or Barca - or even Liverpool - but at Spurs he looks completely unsuited, particularly under Mourinho.
Personally:
Alli: a left sided attacking mid is his best position followed by as a 10. Son stole the position he was best at in the 15/16 & 16/17 campaigns
GLC: I see him as more of an 8. A better ball progresser than a final third player I feel. More Modric than Eriksen.
PEH: a 6 who works best with a sitting/disciplined other 6. However I think he will be just as good as a sitting 6.
Winks: a 6 in a foreign league where the pace is slower and relies more on technique than athleticism (hence why he is so good internationally or in CL games)
Sissoko: mascot
Ndombele: more and more I see him I think he would work best as the most attacking of our midfielders - maybe as a 10? Not sure he has the productivity yet. If not he is a good 8 but needs a disciplined 6.
There's chatter on Talk Sport that Spurs are having talks with RM re Bale
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's chatter on Talk Sport that Spurs are having talks with RM re Bale
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Not going to happen. No way is Levy going to sanction those sort of wages, even if Madrid come half way with the payment.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 24 seconds ago
There's chatter on Talk Sport that Spurs are having talks with RM re Bale
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as if Levy will push the boat out that far, this is nothing more than the club leaking exciting information to mug the fans off into believing there is real ambition at the club, and when it fails to happen, Levy will have been seen to have tried.
Take your pick, there is one every summer window, Dybala, Moutinho, Mane, Fernandes etc etc. Levy is mugging the fans off, the only surprise is that some fans can`t see it.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 25 minutes ago
Personally:
Alli: a left sided attacking mid is his best position followed by as a 10. Son stole the position he was best at in the 15/16 & 16/17 campaigns
GLC: I see him as more of an 8. A better ball progresser than a final third player I feel. More Modric than Eriksen.
PEH: a 6 who works best with a sitting/disciplined other 6. However I think he will be just as good as a sitting 6.
Winks: a 6 in a foreign league where the pace is slower and relies more on technique than athleticism (hence why he is so good internationally or in CL games)
Sissoko: mascot
Ndombele: more and more I see him I think he would work best as the most attacking of our midfielders - maybe as a 10? Not sure he has the productivity yet. If not he is a good 8 but needs a disciplined 6.
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Re. Ndombele, he's an interesting case - like Winks it seems his best position varies according to the competition he's in. Because in France he was phenomenal as a marauding 6 who picked the ball up deep and moved quickly from deep midfield into attacking midfield. I guess that's a less feasible role in the Premiership where midfields are often way more congested, but he certainly has the close control and vision to play as a creative 10
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* (U3924)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 24 seconds ago
There's chatter on Talk Sport that Spurs are having talks with RM re Bale
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as if Levy will push the boat out that far, this is nothing more than the club leaking exciting information to mug the fans off into believing there is real ambition at the club, and when it fails to happen, Levy will have been seen to have tried.
Take your pick, there is one every summer window, Dybala, Moutinho, Mane, Fernandes etc etc. Levy is mugging the fans off, the only surprise is that some fans can`t see it.
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It's not even the first time it's happened with Gareth Bale specifically
Winks needs to be shipped off to Hull.
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
Winks needs to be shipped off to Hull.
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That doofus Jamie O'Hara on Talksport went through the list of our players, saying which ones he thought were good enough and which ones weren't. Couldn't take him seriously when he called out most of the others as not being good enough and called Winks "Decent".
Bale is the new Damiao wrt being linked.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
Winks needs to be shipped off to Hull.
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That doofus Jamie O'Hara on Talksport went through the list of our players, saying which ones he thought were good enough and which ones weren't. Couldn't take him seriously when he called out most of the others as not being good enough and called Winks "Decent".
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<Jose Mourinho voice> HE RUNS
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
Winks needs to be shipped off to Hull.
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That doofus Jamie O'Hara on Talksport went through the list of our players, saying which ones he thought were good enough and which ones weren't. Couldn't take him seriously when he called out most of the others as not being good enough and called Winks "Decent".
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I heard that too... made me chuckle
he runs a lot doesnt he <darths lisp>
That was the cringiest exchange in the whole thing.
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posted on 15/9/20
Pretty much spot on mate.... The Dele/ Jenas comparison is perfect
We Basically lost Eriksen, Dembele & Wanyama and Dele has fallen off a cliff. In their prime all were great in a 4231. I don't feel like we have replaced any of them properly and are still trying to play in the same formation.
Our defense isn't great but the middle of the park has been our downfall since the start of 2019 when we lost Dembele.... Its why the quality of our overall play is so pi55 poor
posted on 15/9/20
With Alli specifically I don't think ANYONE knows his best position, because he doesn't really fit as a midfielder OR a striker. He's a halfway version of both. I agree with your point, though. Mourinho is so stuck in his system despite how badly some of the players clearly don't fit into it.
The midfield players at the club are crying out to be used in a 3-man midfield, with the following roles:
Defensive midfielder, primarily tasked with maintaining position, interceptions, closing down, winning the ball back and moving it onto a more offensive player (Sissoko, Hojbjerg)
Box-to-box midfielder, who is a strong ball-carrier that can drive through midfield from deep, ideally popping up with the odd goal and/or assist (Ndombele, Winks)
Playmaker, who is strong in possession in tight spaces, good at keeping the ball moving and breaking past the opposition press between their midfield and defence. Less defensive responsibility but expected to engage in pressing up the pitch, and get decent goal and assist figures (Lo Celso, Alli)
I know some of those names (Sissoko, Winks, Alli) don't necessarily fit the roles I've assigned them there perfectly, but they all have at least SOME of the required skillset, and they'd be backups anyway - the first-choice options in each role would make for a very good midfield.
posted on 15/9/20
use Ndombele and lo celso to actually want to be busy and get on the ball, ping it around making things happen or at least try. Both can roam and make up a mid 3 in defence and be able to be further up the pitch and more influential when we attack.
Hojbjerg isnt great on the ball so should sit more and be a ball winner.
Dele, Lucas and Bergwijn can be great off the bench.
Winks and Sissoko are not good enough in the slightest(at least to be first choice fack me), if Ndombele isnt going to play for whatever reason, sign another midfielder who is class(probably should do this anyway lets be honest, but wont)
play 5 at the back to get the best out of Doherty going forward, Davies can be decent as a LCB option.
Son can be given a free role and more central and Kane will be less isolated.
Sign Reguilon and Milik.
posted on 15/9/20
Winks, along with Alli, is the other real "problem" player too. He's not a 6, because he's too flimsy to be a ball-winner like Gattuso and his defensive positioning isn't good enough to be a sitting interceptor/regista like Busquets.
He would work best as a 6/8 hybrid in a progressive, fluid passing system, like Xavi at Barca or De Jong at Ajax - when he came through he showed ability at beating first tackles and progressing the ball forwards, but that seems to have been coached out of him as he's been pushed further and further back into a more defensive role.
I'm not convinced he really has a role in a 4231, but in a 433 - surrounded by other players who are good in possession and a fluid attack - he could be very effective as the "metronome", like Xavi always was with the more offensive Iniesta next to him - Xavi had the freedom to get forwards, but for the most part his role involved moving with possession, making sure he always provided a passing option to recycle possession, seeing more of the ball than any other player.
The irony of a player like Winks is that he'd look great in a team like City or Barca - or even Liverpool - but at Spurs he looks completely unsuited, particularly under Mourinho.
posted on 15/9/20
Personally:
Alli: a left sided attacking mid is his best position followed by as a 10. Son stole the position he was best at in the 15/16 & 16/17 campaigns
GLC: I see him as more of an 8. A better ball progresser than a final third player I feel. More Modric than Eriksen.
PEH: a 6 who works best with a sitting/disciplined other 6. However I think he will be just as good as a sitting 6.
Winks: a 6 in a foreign league where the pace is slower and relies more on technique than athleticism (hence why he is so good internationally or in CL games)
Sissoko: mascot
Ndombele: more and more I see him I think he would work best as the most attacking of our midfielders - maybe as a 10? Not sure he has the productivity yet. If not he is a good 8 but needs a disciplined 6.
posted on 15/9/20
There's chatter on Talk Sport that Spurs are having talks with RM re Bale
posted on 15/9/20
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's chatter on Talk Sport that Spurs are having talks with RM re Bale
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Not going to happen. No way is Levy going to sanction those sort of wages, even if Madrid come half way with the payment.
posted on 15/9/20
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 24 seconds ago
There's chatter on Talk Sport that Spurs are having talks with RM re Bale
----------------------------------------------------------------------
as if Levy will push the boat out that far, this is nothing more than the club leaking exciting information to mug the fans off into believing there is real ambition at the club, and when it fails to happen, Levy will have been seen to have tried.
Take your pick, there is one every summer window, Dybala, Moutinho, Mane, Fernandes etc etc. Levy is mugging the fans off, the only surprise is that some fans can`t see it.
posted on 15/9/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 25 minutes ago
Personally:
Alli: a left sided attacking mid is his best position followed by as a 10. Son stole the position he was best at in the 15/16 & 16/17 campaigns
GLC: I see him as more of an 8. A better ball progresser than a final third player I feel. More Modric than Eriksen.
PEH: a 6 who works best with a sitting/disciplined other 6. However I think he will be just as good as a sitting 6.
Winks: a 6 in a foreign league where the pace is slower and relies more on technique than athleticism (hence why he is so good internationally or in CL games)
Sissoko: mascot
Ndombele: more and more I see him I think he would work best as the most attacking of our midfielders - maybe as a 10? Not sure he has the productivity yet. If not he is a good 8 but needs a disciplined 6.
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Re. Ndombele, he's an interesting case - like Winks it seems his best position varies according to the competition he's in. Because in France he was phenomenal as a marauding 6 who picked the ball up deep and moved quickly from deep midfield into attacking midfield. I guess that's a less feasible role in the Premiership where midfields are often way more congested, but he certainly has the close control and vision to play as a creative 10
posted on 15/9/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* (U3924)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 24 seconds ago
There's chatter on Talk Sport that Spurs are having talks with RM re Bale
----------------------------------------------------------------------
as if Levy will push the boat out that far, this is nothing more than the club leaking exciting information to mug the fans off into believing there is real ambition at the club, and when it fails to happen, Levy will have been seen to have tried.
Take your pick, there is one every summer window, Dybala, Moutinho, Mane, Fernandes etc etc. Levy is mugging the fans off, the only surprise is that some fans can`t see it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not even the first time it's happened with Gareth Bale specifically
posted on 15/9/20
Winks needs to be shipped off to Hull.
posted on 15/9/20
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
Winks needs to be shipped off to Hull.
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That doofus Jamie O'Hara on Talksport went through the list of our players, saying which ones he thought were good enough and which ones weren't. Couldn't take him seriously when he called out most of the others as not being good enough and called Winks "Decent".
posted on 15/9/20
Bale is the new Damiao wrt being linked.
posted on 15/9/20
Winks tattooless Mason
posted on 15/9/20
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
Winks needs to be shipped off to Hull.
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That doofus Jamie O'Hara on Talksport went through the list of our players, saying which ones he thought were good enough and which ones weren't. Couldn't take him seriously when he called out most of the others as not being good enough and called Winks "Decent".
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<Jose Mourinho voice> HE RUNS
posted on 15/9/20
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
Winks needs to be shipped off to Hull.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That doofus Jamie O'Hara on Talksport went through the list of our players, saying which ones he thought were good enough and which ones weren't. Couldn't take him seriously when he called out most of the others as not being good enough and called Winks "Decent".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I heard that too... made me chuckle
posted on 15/9/20
he runs a lot doesnt he <darths lisp>
posted on 15/9/20
That was the cringiest exchange in the whole thing.
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