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posted on 20/9/20

Ozil is finished at this level

Needs to be released

posted on 20/9/20

I’d try it too in games like that. There’s a case to be made that the improved structure and defensive capabilities of the rest of the team which Arteta has put in place would allow us to carry the weight of Ozil’s lack of input off the ball. I just don’t know if Arteta is cool with that. He wants the whole team playing with intensity, and he’s not stupid, he knows what Ozil “could” offer, so he’s clearly not comfortable with trying to accommodate him at the moment. Maybe if we can’t get Aouar then it’ll be a case of needs must.

Thing is, lately Ozil wasn’t even offering much in terms of assists or contributions in the final third, which is what he’s supposed to be good at.

posted on 20/9/20

See my comments in the article below.

posted on 20/9/20

Completely agree with this article.

Lets be honest, attacking wise the football under Arteta is no different to Emery. We struggle with possession and creative virtually nothing.

Unless Ozil is being shifted out in 2 weeks, it makes absolute no sence whatsoever not to use him in games like last night.

posted on 20/9/20

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posted on 20/9/20

Get Ozil back in the team...

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And the OP proves beyond shadow of a doubt, that he is the most deluded poster on the board. Ozil back in the side...You nutter.

posted on 20/9/20

So fans happy to continue with the useless option we currently have in MF?

posted on 20/9/20

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 6 minutes ago
Completely agree with this article.

Lets be honest, attacking wise the football under Arteta is no different to Emery. We struggle with possession and creative virtually nothing.

Unless Ozil is being shifted out in 2 weeks, it makes absolute no sence whatsoever not to use him in games like last night.


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In teams where one or two players can carry the piano, then maybe Ozil can play the keys.
In this team though, we have no piano carriers; work and application is evenly demanded of the starting eleven meaning Ozil will be ineffective.
He jumps out of 50/ 50 situation, gets nudged of the ball way too easily and lack any kind of fight.

He may start in cups games but should leave and get his £350k a week somewhere else.

posted on 20/9/20

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 3 minutes ago
So fans happy to continue with the useless option we currently have in MF?


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He is the most useless option of all

posted on 20/9/20

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 2 minutes ago
So fans happy to continue with the useless option we currently have in MF?


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An “option” will be in that position by October the 5th.
For now play the players who will fight for the cause even if not so talented.

posted on 20/9/20

1 goal 2 assists from Ozil last season. Elneny would get more than that ffs

posted on 20/9/20

comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 19 minutes ago
I’d try it too in games like that. There’s a case to be made that the improved structure and defensive capabilities of the rest of the team which Arteta has put in place would allow us to carry the weight of Ozil’s lack of input off the ball. I just don’t know if Arteta is cool with that. He wants the whole team playing with intensity, and he’s not stupid, he knows what Ozil “could” offer, so he’s clearly not comfortable with trying to accommodate him at the moment. Maybe if we can’t get Aouar then it’ll be a case of needs must.

Thing is, lately Ozil wasn’t even offering much in terms of assists or contributions in the final third, which is what he’s supposed to be good at.
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Needs are here MUST be kept out of the team if the upward trend is to reliably continue. If he's not kept out, he WILL stuff it all up, tanking the confidence of several other players and morale of the team, on his way out the door after cutting his fat Bosman in Jan.

Do ANYTHING BUT put him back into the side. Because it's a better option. Did everyone forget the last two years he repeatedly failed to produce against all the bottom sides too? That's why they all started to turn us over. Him not providing assists and creativity, whilst also allowing opposition players to pass him with zero resistance. It was NOT just the top 6 sides, it was EVERYONE! Pure Mesut "I CBA to play," Ozil.

posted on 20/9/20

Like Madrid did for Bale, I am certain Arsenal will be willing to cover 60% of Ozil’s wages to send him on loan.

But he knows he will be back on the bench after two weeks in any decent club with his lackadaisical approach to the game.

posted on 20/9/20

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 9 minutes ago
So fans happy to continue with the useless option we currently have in MF?


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Why don't you understand that if we put Ozil in, then all we will get is the exact same lack of creativity but with a total lack of defensive effort and commitment to the game/team too?

Ozil won't be the saviour you've kept bangin on he will be because HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE! HE CAN'T BE ASSED TO PLAY ANYMORE!

comment by 8bit (U2653)

posted on 20/9/20

Ozil has been frozen out for so long, nobody seems to even remember that he's still a gifted footballer who can bring coherence and fluidity, creativity and a cutting-edge to our attacking play.
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He hasn't really brought any of that for a long time, he's never made us more fluid but even on creativity he was way down last year. Every time he's out of the team we start wondering if he has anything to offer until he plays a few games and realise he hasn't... you could count on one hand the decent games he's had since he signed his contract extention.

I'm not against using him in certain games but there's just so much drama around him. We know what will happen, he'll play well one game, keep his place and then be useless for the next 10. Arteta's building something and Ozil doesn't fit into the culture of style of play and I can't see Arteta compromising for a player who'll be off next summer anyway.

We'll use him in Europa and the cups imo, I don't think he'll be frozen out completely. If he plays well then he could start to get game time in the league.

posted on 20/9/20

comment by Laugh at Messi (U18355)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Ozil is finished at this level

Needs to be released
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Releasing him means to pay him out the rest of the money.

Why not let him work for his money and let him play against Leicester in the League cup for example. A good test for him and for us how we stand at this point.

posted on 20/9/20

He hasn't been dropped for footballing reasons. Same applies for Guendouzi

posted on 20/9/20

West Ham's work rate was part of the problem, for large parts of the game they were winning all the 50-50 balls. I don't see how Ozil's approach can help us in such situations, I'd play him in the EFL and see how he goes but frankly at this stage I'm not expecting anything better...

posted on 20/9/20

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Laugh at Messi (U18355)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Ozil is finished at this level

Needs to be released
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Releasing him means to pay him out the rest of the money.

Why not let him work for his money and let him play against Leicester in the League cup for example. A good test for him and for us how we stand at this point.


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He can play against Leicester but only because we should throw the Carabao Cup and focus on PL/EL

posted on 20/9/20

comment by Laugh at Messi (U18355)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
1 goal 2 assists from Ozil last season. Elneny would get more than that ffs
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Ozil was by far Arsenal's most creative player last season if you check the stats about his creative output - averaging close to double the key passes per game of the 2nd players, Pepe and Ceballos. Assists don't always give a good insight. He was also one of the most efficient passer, averaging 88% pass completion, 2nd only to Guendouzi, which is pretty good for an attacking player that attempts a lot of final balls.

Again, it's almost like people here have actually forgotten Ozil's qualities as a footballer. The dude is 31-years-old with much left to give the sport and he's rotting away because of whatever personal issues he has with the managers (likely they've tried to force him out and he's refused to go).

You're not bigger detractors of Ozil than I am. I can say for a fact I've been more critical of him than most, including his first year or two here when it was very uncool to criticize him. But making out like Ozil has nothing to offer a very mediocre team like ours seems like irrational dogmatism.

posted on 20/9/20

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Ozil has been frozen out for so long, nobody seems to even remember that he's still a gifted footballer who can bring coherence and fluidity, creativity and a cutting-edge to our attacking play.
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He hasn't really brought any of that for a long time, he's never made us more fluid but even on creativity he was way down last year. Every time he's out of the team we start wondering if he has anything to offer until he plays a few games and realise he hasn't... you could count on one hand the decent games he's had since he signed his contract extention.

I'm not against using him in certain games but there's just so much drama around him. We know what will happen, he'll play well one game, keep his place and then be useless for the next 10. Arteta's building something and Ozil doesn't fit into the culture of style of play and I can't see Arteta compromising for a player who'll be off next summer anyway.

We'll use him in Europa and the cups imo, I don't think he'll be frozen out completely. If he plays well then he could start to get game time in the league.
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The thing is this can become a bit of a vicious cycle. He's been left out of the team and no serious person believes it's purely for footballing reasons. He's far from match-sharp, probably unfit and lacking in confidence. Then he gets the occasional game and struggles to impose himself due to a lack of game time - which is then taken as evidence of why he's out of the team. Simple solution? Get him back into the fold as a first team player. Even if he's not starting, get him on the bench as an option. Let the player at least believe he has your confidence. We cannot be paying the twaaat £350k-a-week to be posting "ya Gunnners" on Twitter.

posted on 20/9/20

If you put Ozil in the team how do you fit him in?

I think our spine is weak, Xhaka in particular. We are too easy for teams to break through our midfield with barely any hindrance. Xhaka is just too slow to contribute and is often 10 yards behind the play after they pass him before he reacts and starts tracking back. The midfield 4 is working better than a 3 as it limits the ground he needs to cover. You put Ozil in the team in front of him and our spine is about as strong as the spine in a slug.

So to put Ozil in we need to drop Xhaka. So how do you put that team together.

Option 1 for me is to stick with the 343 with Elneney and Ceballos as CM's, Ozil as a no. 10 with a front 2 of Auba and Laca/Eddie.

Option 2 is go to a 433. Elneny and Ceballos still; sitting in front of defence and Ozil as a CAM. Have a front 3 of Auba, Laca/Eddie and Willian.

Of course, as always, any formation would have to be looked at and worked on in training to get working right.

posted on 20/9/20

Sheriff - I don’t see the point of Arsenal investing any time in a player that has no future at the club. Like 8bit says, with Ozil there is always drama that follows and Arteta obviously ain’t having that at this club anymore.

I was one of those last season that wanted him back in the team but when he did come back, he was diabolical. For a player that offers zero intensity, zero pressing, zero work rate, he needs to offer a significantly greater output in the final 3rd than he has since signing that new contract. 1 goal and 2 assists for a player of his supposed quality is horrendous and he’s clearly a luxury player no longer worth carrying. I’m not gonna go into the stats you’ve mentioned but I’d wager his chance creation stats are much higher because of the quality of opposition he’s played against and the fact the takes all our set pieces when playing.

Tbh when I look at Ozil now I just see a toxic character, if his buddy Arteta won’t even play him then his time is clearly up. He pulled our pants down with that contract, we are just gonna have to accept it and let it play it’s course and if that means he rots in the U23s for the rest of the season so be it. He should be kept as far away from the 1st team as possible.

posted on 20/9/20

comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Laugh at Messi (U18355)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
1 goal 2 assists from Ozil last season. Elneny would get more than that ffs
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Ozil was by far Arsenal's most creative player last season.
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The biggest load of s|-\it I've ever seen written on this site and that's saying something with the likes of Ubaby and WhingeBaby2 on here.

Absolutely beyond belief that anybody could want Ozil back in the team in any level, he is utterly useless.

One good season in 7 years

One of our worst ever signings

Seriously you either have the memory of a goldfish, are truly clueless about football or both if you think there's a case for Ozil to play.

posted on 20/9/20

comment by Laugh at Messi (U18355)
posted 8 minutes ago
Sheriff - I don’t see the point of Arsenal investing any time in a player that has no future at the club. Like 8bit says, with Ozil there is always drama that follows and Arteta obviously ain’t having that at this club anymore.

I was one of those last season that wanted him back in the team but when he did come back, he was diabolical. For a player that offers zero intensity, zero pressing, zero work rate, he needs to offer a significantly greater output in the final 3rd than he has since signing that new contract. 1 goal and 2 assists for a player of his supposed quality is horrendous and he’s clearly a luxury player no longer worth carrying. I’m not gonna go into the stats you’ve mentioned but I’d wager his chance creation stats are much higher because of the quality of opposition he’s played against and the fact the takes all our set pieces when playing.

Tbh when I look at Ozil now I just see a toxic character, if his buddy Arteta won’t even play him then his time is clearly up. He pulled our pants down with that contract, we are just gonna have to accept it and let it play it’s course and if that means he rots in the U23s for the rest of the season so be it. He should be kept as far away from the 1st team as possible.
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Most of the problems you are saying are down to how the team is set up.As I said in my post before yours, you cant have Xhaka and Ozil in a team together. They both offer not enough defensively if you need to rely on them. You can carry on but not both. The period you are talking about Xhaka was playing so it would never work. I will add that what I didnt say above is Xhaka is slow at releasing the ball and 99% of the time plays short sideways passes to the easiest available option. That meant Ozil wasnt getting the ball when we had players breaking into the box which is when he is devastating.

Its one thing to say you dont want him in the team. Its another to show so much hate because he was being thrown into a set up that would never work for him. And as for the being toxic, I dont think that is the case, I think that is just hateful fans spreading rumours. Like the pay cut. All he did was ask where the money would be used before signing as it would would affect his giving to multiple charities, Arsenal refused to tell him. He never said no, but was still cast as the bad guy.

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