comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 9 minutes ago
Just give Pep another 800 billion. Can't you see this mans in pain🤭
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You mean give him some new players. He doesn’t do the transfers, Begiristain does.
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Pep selects the players though
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What, that play? Yes, of course. He doesn’t select the players they buy though.
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Yeah ok.. (!)
Oh look another defender! Half a BILLION quid on defenders!
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 9 minutes ago
Just give Pep another 800 billion. Can't you see this mans in pain🤭
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You mean give him some new players. He doesn’t do the transfers, Begiristain does.
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Pep selects the players though
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What, that play? Yes, of course. He doesn’t select the players they buy though.
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I’m sure he has plenty of sway in it though Melts.
You can’t tell me Laporte or Bernardo weren’t Pep choices
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Why not? He’ll have some input absolutely, but he doesn’t choose or select the players. He’s said this himself, as has Begiristain.
comment by I want to stuff this 8===D as far as it will go an squeal like a pig (U20589)
posted 10 hours, 2 minutes ago
Toxic bunch it seems.
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Pretty good summary of the thread 👏
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 9 minutes ago
Just give Pep another 800 billion. Can't you see this mans in pain🤭
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You mean give him some new players. He doesn’t do the transfers, Begiristain does.
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Pep selects the players though
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What, that play? Yes, of course. He doesn’t select the players they buy though.
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I’m sure he has plenty of sway in it though Melts.
You can’t tell me Laporte or Bernardo weren’t Pep choices
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Why not? He’ll have some input absolutely, but he doesn’t choose or select the players. He’s said this himself, as has Begiristain.
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He’ll be working in a similar set up to most top managers, key input but doesn’t have total authority.
I think it’s very naive to suggest Pep hasn’t picked some of the players you have signed
Whether he has or hasn’t, it’s not up to him at all if we buy them, that is Begiristains job, the majority are scouted and chosen by him. Guardiolas said what Begiristain does is more critical than what he thinks he does as a coach
I’m fine with the sentiment of us not buying well, particularly in defence. It’s always referenced to Guardiola when it should be far far more about Begiristain though. I said on here when he came that his previous record was a concern to me with it.
Laporte I absolutely think was a Begiristain signing btw.
Given his standing, and relationship with the top brass, he’ll have a lot more say than other coaches working with directors of football. I don’t think he should be absolved of blame for the poor recruitment City have made in defence since he’s been at the club.
Just read City have lost 10 of their last 36. Brittle.
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Just read City have lost 10 of their last 36. Brittle.
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Very odd that they were for many, unquestionably ready to take back the title this season, yet Liverpool we were constantly told, would struggle unless they brought in players.
I’m not saying he should, I’m saying he shouldn’t be getting the lions share or being solely mentioned.
What he should be getting criticism for is not all of the players we’ve signed have been the duds they’re perceived to be, his system has been to blame at times as well in that any defender would struggle, particularly depending on who he chooses in midfield and up front.
I didn’t watch the full game yesterday, only the highlights, but every one of Leicester’s penalties came initially from really bad transitioning from both the attack and midfield. There wasn’t just the defenders mistakes, the bigger ones came before it.
Don't get me wrong, I still believe its between Liverpool and City, in regard to who wins the title this season, but the idea that City were better set to regain the title, made no sense whatsoever.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m not saying he should, I’m saying he shouldn’t be getting the lions share or being solely mentioned.
What he should be getting criticism for is not all of the players we’ve signed have been the duds they’re perceived to be, his system has been to blame at times as well in that any defender would struggle, particularly depending on who he chooses in midfield and up front.
I didn’t watch the full game yesterday, only the highlights, but every one of Leicester’s penalties came initially from really bad transitioning from both the attack and midfield. There wasn’t just the defenders mistakes, the bigger ones came before it.
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Indeed.
City's defenders were left exposed yesterday by the formation, and the midfield players.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m not saying he should, I’m saying he shouldn’t be getting the lions share or being solely mentioned.
What he should be getting criticism for is not all of the players we’ve signed have been the duds they’re perceived to be, his system has been to blame at times as well in that any defender would struggle, particularly depending on who he chooses in midfield and up front.
I didn’t watch the full game yesterday, only the highlights, but every one of Leicester’s penalties came initially from really bad transitioning from both the attack and midfield. There wasn’t just the defenders mistakes, the bigger ones came before it.
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I agree with that, but I still think you make too many excuses for Pep where the defensive signings are concerned. It’s the same with the defensive errors your defenders make as well. I know that it’s a high risk way of defending that can really leave defenders exposed, but some of the defending displayed by many of them is simply just a lack of quality and intelligence from the defenders.
That said, I think one of the biggest problems has been an inability to field a consistent back four.
I was surprised to see Fernandinho make way for Delap for that reason. Even at his age he’s more mobile than Rodri
“I agree with that, but I still think you make too many excuses for Pep where the defensive signings are concerned.”
I think it’s a natural counter balance to the plethora of comments from people who place the blame solely with him. I have no doubt he has input, but when it comes to actually signing players, if that documentary was an accurate insight then he doesn’t even have a seat at that table.
It's not really his fault that both his main centre forwards were out injured for this game, so I'm not surprised he didn't have the fire power in the box to do this.
Although Man City's problems lie in transition and at the back. There was no press from the midfield and Leicester were brave enough to find passes between the lines. I think the biggest issue was taking off Fernandinho after 50 minutes because City lacked enough discipline in front of the defence with just Rodri and Leicester were able to exploit this space that wasn't there in the first half.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m not saying he should, I’m saying he shouldn’t be getting the lions share or being solely mentioned.
What he should be getting criticism for is not all of the players we’ve signed have been the duds they’re perceived to be, his system has been to blame at times as well in that any defender would struggle, particularly depending on who he chooses in midfield and up front.
I didn’t watch the full game yesterday, only the highlights, but every one of Leicester’s penalties came initially from really bad transitioning from both the attack and midfield. There wasn’t just the defenders mistakes, the bigger ones came before it.
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I agree with that, but I still think you make too many excuses for Pep where the defensive signings are concerned. It’s the same with the defensive errors your defenders make as well. I know that it’s a high risk way of defending that can really leave defenders exposed, but some of the defending displayed by many of them is simply just a lack of quality and intelligence from the defenders.
That said, I think one of the biggest problems has been an inability to field a consistent back four.
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I’m not making excuses, I’m blaming him for when I think he deserves it. I’m definitely not going to give him sole blame, which is what happens on here.
There absolutely are individual mistakes as well as issues with the system. Part of that comes from the additional pressure they’re under too though, I don’t think he’s managed some of them well personally as well as tactically.
Jlou, I don’t, I think we’ll be fighting for top four this year.
Even with all the players back fit, the squad isn’t good enough.
Fair play, melts. Whatever the truth of it is there’s clearly a bit of a blind spot where defensive recruitment is concerned.
Seems unlikely but I wonder if a more pragmatic manager, say an Allegri, might help in certain ways once Pep goes. Could potentially work better in the CL given how often Pep’s teams are getting exposed on the counter in that competition.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
Given his standing, and relationship with the top brass, he’ll have a lot more say than other coaches working with directors of football. I don’t think he should be absolved of blame for the poor recruitment City have made in defence since he’s been at the club.
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Exactly my point. It’s unfair to hold him to blame 100%, but it’s also unfair to say he’s no blame in the poor recruitment at all.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 14 hours, 40 minutes ago
He’s saying the attackers they needed aren’t available. Which is true.
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This but I don't expect the OP to understand simple things as injuries.
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 14 hours, 40 minutes ago
He’s saying the attackers they needed aren’t available. Which is true.
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This but I don't expect the OP to understand simple things as injuries.
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Which is odd because only a couple of posts up on the Liverpool board is an article about their injury problems...
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
Given his standing, and relationship with the top brass, he’ll have a lot more say than other coaches working with directors of football. I don’t think he should be absolved of blame for the poor recruitment City have made in defence since he’s been at the club.
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Exactly my point. It’s unfair to hold him to blame 100%, but it’s also unfair to say he’s no blame in the poor recruitment at all.
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And if people focused on Begiristain in the main and then Guardiola, then I wouldn’t pull them up on it.
Right now, I imagine Guardiola himself will be being just as critical of our transfers internally as the fans are.
Tbf I think you’re too hung up on the semantics of it. Pep’s spent x amount on defenders is easily understood to be City spending it during his tenure as coach. Obviously that’s not always the case. But when discussing management you just rarely see the directors of football named when the discussion is over the period that a manager is there.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 14 hours, 40 minutes ago
He’s saying the attackers they needed aren’t available. Which is true.
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This but I don't expect the OP to understand simple things as injuries.
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Which is odd because only a couple of posts up on the Liverpool board is an article about their injury problems...
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Not written by the OP though
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Tbf I think you’re too hung up on the semantics of it. Pep’s spent x amount on defenders is easily understood to be City spending it during his tenure as coach. Obviously that’s not always the case. But when discussing management you just rarely see the directors of football named when the discussion is over the period that a manager is there.
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And if we were on a Sun or Talksport forum, I’d let it go
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posted on 28/9/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 9 minutes ago
Just give Pep another 800 billion. Can't you see this mans in pain🤭
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You mean give him some new players. He doesn’t do the transfers, Begiristain does.
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Pep selects the players though
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What, that play? Yes, of course. He doesn’t select the players they buy though.
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Yeah ok.. (!)
Oh look another defender! Half a BILLION quid on defenders!
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 9 minutes ago
Just give Pep another 800 billion. Can't you see this mans in pain🤭
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You mean give him some new players. He doesn’t do the transfers, Begiristain does.
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Pep selects the players though
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What, that play? Yes, of course. He doesn’t select the players they buy though.
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I’m sure he has plenty of sway in it though Melts.
You can’t tell me Laporte or Bernardo weren’t Pep choices
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Why not? He’ll have some input absolutely, but he doesn’t choose or select the players. He’s said this himself, as has Begiristain.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by I want to stuff this 8===D as far as it will go an squeal like a pig (U20589)
posted 10 hours, 2 minutes ago
Toxic bunch it seems.
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Pretty good summary of the thread 👏
posted on 28/9/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 9 minutes ago
Just give Pep another 800 billion. Can't you see this mans in pain🤭
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You mean give him some new players. He doesn’t do the transfers, Begiristain does.
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Pep selects the players though
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What, that play? Yes, of course. He doesn’t select the players they buy though.
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I’m sure he has plenty of sway in it though Melts.
You can’t tell me Laporte or Bernardo weren’t Pep choices
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Why not? He’ll have some input absolutely, but he doesn’t choose or select the players. He’s said this himself, as has Begiristain.
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He’ll be working in a similar set up to most top managers, key input but doesn’t have total authority.
I think it’s very naive to suggest Pep hasn’t picked some of the players you have signed
posted on 28/9/20
Whether he has or hasn’t, it’s not up to him at all if we buy them, that is Begiristains job, the majority are scouted and chosen by him. Guardiolas said what Begiristain does is more critical than what he thinks he does as a coach
I’m fine with the sentiment of us not buying well, particularly in defence. It’s always referenced to Guardiola when it should be far far more about Begiristain though. I said on here when he came that his previous record was a concern to me with it.
Laporte I absolutely think was a Begiristain signing btw.
posted on 28/9/20
Given his standing, and relationship with the top brass, he’ll have a lot more say than other coaches working with directors of football. I don’t think he should be absolved of blame for the poor recruitment City have made in defence since he’s been at the club.
posted on 28/9/20
Just read City have lost 10 of their last 36. Brittle.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Just read City have lost 10 of their last 36. Brittle.
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Very odd that they were for many, unquestionably ready to take back the title this season, yet Liverpool we were constantly told, would struggle unless they brought in players.
posted on 28/9/20
I’m not saying he should, I’m saying he shouldn’t be getting the lions share or being solely mentioned.
What he should be getting criticism for is not all of the players we’ve signed have been the duds they’re perceived to be, his system has been to blame at times as well in that any defender would struggle, particularly depending on who he chooses in midfield and up front.
I didn’t watch the full game yesterday, only the highlights, but every one of Leicester’s penalties came initially from really bad transitioning from both the attack and midfield. There wasn’t just the defenders mistakes, the bigger ones came before it.
posted on 28/9/20
Don't get me wrong, I still believe its between Liverpool and City, in regard to who wins the title this season, but the idea that City were better set to regain the title, made no sense whatsoever.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m not saying he should, I’m saying he shouldn’t be getting the lions share or being solely mentioned.
What he should be getting criticism for is not all of the players we’ve signed have been the duds they’re perceived to be, his system has been to blame at times as well in that any defender would struggle, particularly depending on who he chooses in midfield and up front.
I didn’t watch the full game yesterday, only the highlights, but every one of Leicester’s penalties came initially from really bad transitioning from both the attack and midfield. There wasn’t just the defenders mistakes, the bigger ones came before it.
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Indeed.
City's defenders were left exposed yesterday by the formation, and the midfield players.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m not saying he should, I’m saying he shouldn’t be getting the lions share or being solely mentioned.
What he should be getting criticism for is not all of the players we’ve signed have been the duds they’re perceived to be, his system has been to blame at times as well in that any defender would struggle, particularly depending on who he chooses in midfield and up front.
I didn’t watch the full game yesterday, only the highlights, but every one of Leicester’s penalties came initially from really bad transitioning from both the attack and midfield. There wasn’t just the defenders mistakes, the bigger ones came before it.
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I agree with that, but I still think you make too many excuses for Pep where the defensive signings are concerned. It’s the same with the defensive errors your defenders make as well. I know that it’s a high risk way of defending that can really leave defenders exposed, but some of the defending displayed by many of them is simply just a lack of quality and intelligence from the defenders.
That said, I think one of the biggest problems has been an inability to field a consistent back four.
posted on 28/9/20
I was surprised to see Fernandinho make way for Delap for that reason. Even at his age he’s more mobile than Rodri
posted on 28/9/20
“I agree with that, but I still think you make too many excuses for Pep where the defensive signings are concerned.”
I think it’s a natural counter balance to the plethora of comments from people who place the blame solely with him. I have no doubt he has input, but when it comes to actually signing players, if that documentary was an accurate insight then he doesn’t even have a seat at that table.
posted on 28/9/20
It's not really his fault that both his main centre forwards were out injured for this game, so I'm not surprised he didn't have the fire power in the box to do this.
Although Man City's problems lie in transition and at the back. There was no press from the midfield and Leicester were brave enough to find passes between the lines. I think the biggest issue was taking off Fernandinho after 50 minutes because City lacked enough discipline in front of the defence with just Rodri and Leicester were able to exploit this space that wasn't there in the first half.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m not saying he should, I’m saying he shouldn’t be getting the lions share or being solely mentioned.
What he should be getting criticism for is not all of the players we’ve signed have been the duds they’re perceived to be, his system has been to blame at times as well in that any defender would struggle, particularly depending on who he chooses in midfield and up front.
I didn’t watch the full game yesterday, only the highlights, but every one of Leicester’s penalties came initially from really bad transitioning from both the attack and midfield. There wasn’t just the defenders mistakes, the bigger ones came before it.
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I agree with that, but I still think you make too many excuses for Pep where the defensive signings are concerned. It’s the same with the defensive errors your defenders make as well. I know that it’s a high risk way of defending that can really leave defenders exposed, but some of the defending displayed by many of them is simply just a lack of quality and intelligence from the defenders.
That said, I think one of the biggest problems has been an inability to field a consistent back four.
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I’m not making excuses, I’m blaming him for when I think he deserves it. I’m definitely not going to give him sole blame, which is what happens on here.
There absolutely are individual mistakes as well as issues with the system. Part of that comes from the additional pressure they’re under too though, I don’t think he’s managed some of them well personally as well as tactically.
Jlou, I don’t, I think we’ll be fighting for top four this year.
Even with all the players back fit, the squad isn’t good enough.
posted on 28/9/20
Fair play, melts. Whatever the truth of it is there’s clearly a bit of a blind spot where defensive recruitment is concerned.
Seems unlikely but I wonder if a more pragmatic manager, say an Allegri, might help in certain ways once Pep goes. Could potentially work better in the CL given how often Pep’s teams are getting exposed on the counter in that competition.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
Given his standing, and relationship with the top brass, he’ll have a lot more say than other coaches working with directors of football. I don’t think he should be absolved of blame for the poor recruitment City have made in defence since he’s been at the club.
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Exactly my point. It’s unfair to hold him to blame 100%, but it’s also unfair to say he’s no blame in the poor recruitment at all.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 14 hours, 40 minutes ago
He’s saying the attackers they needed aren’t available. Which is true.
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This but I don't expect the OP to understand simple things as injuries.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 14 hours, 40 minutes ago
He’s saying the attackers they needed aren’t available. Which is true.
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This but I don't expect the OP to understand simple things as injuries.
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Which is odd because only a couple of posts up on the Liverpool board is an article about their injury problems...
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
Given his standing, and relationship with the top brass, he’ll have a lot more say than other coaches working with directors of football. I don’t think he should be absolved of blame for the poor recruitment City have made in defence since he’s been at the club.
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Exactly my point. It’s unfair to hold him to blame 100%, but it’s also unfair to say he’s no blame in the poor recruitment at all.
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And if people focused on Begiristain in the main and then Guardiola, then I wouldn’t pull them up on it.
Right now, I imagine Guardiola himself will be being just as critical of our transfers internally as the fans are.
posted on 28/9/20
Tbf I think you’re too hung up on the semantics of it. Pep’s spent x amount on defenders is easily understood to be City spending it during his tenure as coach. Obviously that’s not always the case. But when discussing management you just rarely see the directors of football named when the discussion is over the period that a manager is there.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 14 hours, 40 minutes ago
He’s saying the attackers they needed aren’t available. Which is true.
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This but I don't expect the OP to understand simple things as injuries.
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Which is odd because only a couple of posts up on the Liverpool board is an article about their injury problems...
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Not written by the OP though
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Tbf I think you’re too hung up on the semantics of it. Pep’s spent x amount on defenders is easily understood to be City spending it during his tenure as coach. Obviously that’s not always the case. But when discussing management you just rarely see the directors of football named when the discussion is over the period that a manager is there.
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And if we were on a Sun or Talksport forum, I’d let it go
posted on 28/9/20
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