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comment by Chronic (U3423)

posted on 28/9/20

yup. the law is so silly that it should now become a legitimate tactic of any team in a crowded box to lift the ball towards a players hand or arms. they now have to give the penalty if the hand or arm is anything other than in line with the body. an absolutely absurd rule that only an idiot can think up. mourinho is savvy enough to have the spurs players all over it.

comment by Chronic (U3423)

posted on 28/9/20

it will replace diving as the new dark art of the game

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 28/9/20

They just wanted a goal that's why they brought Carroll on to try and create panic in the box. I doubt they did it specifically with handballs in mind. Let's be honest, any team will complain to the referee about a handball at that moment.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 3 seconds ago
yup. the law is so silly that it should now become a legitimate tactic of any team in a crowded box to lift the ball towards a players hand or arms. they now have to give the penalty if the hand or arm is anything other than in line with the body. an absolutely absurd rule that only an idiot can think up. mourinho is savvy enough to have the spurs players all over it.
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And Kane too. Soon as you get close to the box, just lift the ball with spin and watch the defenders scramble to move their hands away...Then as soon as the ball bounces off of them, shout!!

This will be in every club's training drill!

What a world we live in!

Handball will kill football

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
They just wanted a goal that's why they brought Carroll on to try and create panic in the box. I doubt they did it specifically with handballs in mind. Let's be honest, any team will complain to the referee about a handball at that moment.
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Too right. I remember a few seasons back when Danny Rose was in the man city area and hit the ball, Sterling raised his hand and a pen was given.

Defenders (Eric Dier the mug in particular) need to learn to keep their hands by their side and if you jump with your hands up bring them down asap. Should not be too hard for a professional athelete.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 28/9/20

comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
They just wanted a goal that's why they brought Carroll on to try and create panic in the box. I doubt they did it specifically with handballs in mind. Let's be honest, any team will complain to the referee about a handball at that moment.
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Too right. I remember a few seasons back when Danny Rose was in the man city area and hit the ball, Sterling raised his hand and a pen was given.

Defenders (Eric Dier the mug in particular) need to learn to keep their hands by their side and if you jump with your hands up bring them down asap. Should not be too hard for a professional athelete.
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I'm afraid jumping up isn't as simple as that. You've got to be able to balance yourself especially when you are around big lumps who will put arms on you.

Bit silly to be blaming Dier.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
They just wanted a goal that's why they brought Carroll on to try and create panic in the box. I doubt they did it specifically with handballs in mind. Let's be honest, any team will complain to the referee about a handball at that moment.
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Too right. I remember a few seasons back when Danny Rose was in the man city area and hit the ball, Sterling raised his hand and a pen was given.

Defenders (Eric Dier the mug in particular) need to learn to keep their hands by their side and if you jump with your hands up bring them down asap. Should not be too hard for a professional athelete.
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Pretty hard in real time, trust me. Specially as a defender, the onus is to get up as quickly as possible to get ahead of the attacker in heading the ball and when you do that, you thrust your arms in the air and then have no control over them for couple of seconds. If you do try to force arms down you won't get the jump!

posted on 28/9/20

var look at every incident regardless of shouting, the ref ignored the shouting for a start else he'd given it himself.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 28/9/20

comment by I want to stuff this 8===D as far as it will go an squeal like a pig (U20589)
posted 7 seconds ago
var look at every incident regardless of shouting, the ref ignored the shouting for a start else he'd given it himself.
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And yet VAR didn't look at the decision that led to the free kick in the first place. Or they did and ignored the right decision.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
They just wanted a goal that's why they brought Carroll on to try and create panic in the box. I doubt they did it specifically with handballs in mind. Let's be honest, any team will complain to the referee about a handball at that moment.
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Too right. I remember a few seasons back when Danny Rose was in the man city area and hit the ball, Sterling raised his hand and a pen was given.

Defenders (Eric Dier the mug in particular) need to learn to keep their hands by their side and if you jump with your hands up bring them down asap. Should not be too hard for a professional athelete.
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I'm afraid jumping up isn't as simple as that. You've got to be able to balance yourself especially when you are around big lumps who will put arms on you.

Bit silly to be blaming Dier.
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Keep defending him. Find it amusing how he seems to be getting a free ride out of this. What about the incident 2 mins before when the ball hit his arm? It's absolute BS to suggest he didn't know where the ball was.

posted on 28/9/20

Find it weird that people assume it's a VAR problem. It's not. VAR isn't the issue, the rule is. The only issue I can see with VAR is that the 'clear and obvious' guideline has been abandoned. The rule makers want a black and white decision system in a sport awash with grey areas. VAR isn't the issue though, how the officials are using it, is. Offsides I think need a threshold marker, a bit of wiggle room when making the decision. Maybe a 10cm threshold either way. The problem is that they're making absolute decisions using software that isn't yet absolute as the cameras aren't exactly 4k.

The handball rule though is the most staggering of them all. Can someone enlighten me as to why this change has come about? Yes, we needed goal line technology, yes we needed VAR to correct absurd decisions but to my mind I can't remember anyone moaning about the old handball rule. If it's deliberate, it's handball. If it's not, play on. It was so simple and now we're talking about sleeve lengths. WTF? VAR wasn't introduced to change laws. It was introduced to implement the rules we already had in place, better. Simple as that.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 28/9/20

comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
They just wanted a goal that's why they brought Carroll on to try and create panic in the box. I doubt they did it specifically with handballs in mind. Let's be honest, any team will complain to the referee about a handball at that moment.
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Too right. I remember a few seasons back when Danny Rose was in the man city area and hit the ball, Sterling raised his hand and a pen was given.

Defenders (Eric Dier the mug in particular) need to learn to keep their hands by their side and if you jump with your hands up bring them down asap. Should not be too hard for a professional athelete.
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I'm afraid jumping up isn't as simple as that. You've got to be able to balance yourself especially when you are around big lumps who will put arms on you.

Bit silly to be blaming Dier.
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Keep defending him. Find it amusing how he seems to be getting a free ride out of this. What about the incident 2 mins before when the ball hit his arm? It's absolute BS to suggest he didn't know where the ball was.
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Show me a player who has jumped high into the air to head a ball with both his arms by his sides? Otherwise I would say give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not like he had his hands above his head or he was yards away.

The slow motion probably makes it look worse though which is another stupid thing these refs do when looking at replayed handball decisions.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 28/9/20

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Find it weird that people assume it's a VAR problem. It's not. VAR isn't the issue, the rule is. The only issue I can see with VAR is that the 'clear and obvious' guideline has been abandoned. The rule makers want a black and white decision system in a sport awash with grey areas. VAR isn't the issue though, how the officials are using it, is. Offsides I think need a threshold marker, a bit of wiggle room when making the decision. Maybe a 10cm threshold either way. The problem is that they're making absolute decisions using software that isn't yet absolute as the cameras aren't exactly 4k.

The handball rule though is the most staggering of them all. Can someone enlighten me as to why this change has come about? Yes, we needed goal line technology, yes we needed VAR to correct absurd decisions but to my mind I can't remember anyone moaning about the old handball rule. If it's deliberate, it's handball. If it's not, play on. It was so simple and now we're talking about sleeve lengths. WTF? VAR wasn't introduced to change laws. It was introduced to implement the rules we already had in place, better. Simple as that.
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VAR also sew the seed of doubt in the referee's mind by suggesting he go look at the monitor. When they do that you know the referee will give a pen.

posted on 28/9/20

It's not like he had his hands above his head.

Watch it again. His hand goes towards the ball with his hand level with his head.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 28/9/20

comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 56 seconds ago
It's not like he had his hands above his head.

Watch it again. His hand goes towards the ball with his hand level with his head.
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So since when is level being above the head?

posted on 28/9/20

Andy Carroll must be worth £50m again. He can get at least a pen a game.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
It's not like he had his hands above his head.

Watch it again. His hand goes towards the ball with his hand level with his head.
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The ball did not hit his hand it hit his arm.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 56 seconds ago
It's not like he had his hands above his head.

Watch it again. His hand goes towards the ball with his hand level with his head.
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So since when is level being above the head?
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It's not but Dier clearly waves his hand in the direction of the ball level with his head. Either way Dier is an idiot. He got away with it 2 mins before and tried it again. 2nd time round he and the team got punished again.

Can't wait and until he is dropped for a new CB.

posted on 28/9/20

2-0 will have to become the new 1-0 because with this new rule no clean sheet is safe.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Find it weird that people assume it's a VAR problem. It's not. VAR isn't the issue, the rule is. The only issue I can see with VAR is that the 'clear and obvious' guideline has been abandoned. The rule makers want a black and white decision system in a sport awash with grey areas. VAR isn't the issue though, how the officials are using it, is. Offsides I think need a threshold marker, a bit of wiggle room when making the decision. Maybe a 10cm threshold either way. The problem is that they're making absolute decisions using software that isn't yet absolute as the cameras aren't exactly 4k.

The handball rule though is the most staggering of them all. Can someone enlighten me as to why this change has come about? Yes, we needed goal line technology, yes we needed VAR to correct absurd decisions but to my mind I can't remember anyone moaning about the old handball rule. If it's deliberate, it's handball. If it's not, play on. It was so simple and now we're talking about sleeve lengths. WTF? VAR wasn't introduced to change laws. It was introduced to implement the rules we already had in place, better. Simple as that.
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VAR also sew the seed of doubt in the referee's mind by suggesting he go look at the monitor. When they do that you know the referee will give a pen.
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I personally don't mind the idea of VAR overturning the decision themselves. Why is it so vital that the referee does it? They're all officials. You're more likely to get an objective decision made that way. A referee making that call when 60,000 people are screaming at him will only make that call more subjective, when the fans eventually go back. Moronic call in my opinion.

posted on 28/9/20

You’re giving Bruce far too much credit by suggesting he had any sort of plan.

posted on 28/9/20

I can guarantee that sooner or later a ref is going to pop over to his screen and watch a hand ball back (on VAR advice) and say no penalty.

Then all the teams who have had points stolen from them with scandalous decisions like yesterdays are going to go bonkers.

I know we have benefited from it in the past but I'm done with armpit offsides and hand ball pens that the players can't prevent.

Goal line technology is great (Sheff U might not agree) but the rest of it is bollox!

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Andy Carrot (U2440)
posted 5 minutes ago
You’re giving Bruce far too much credit by suggesting he had any sort of plan.
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Not a fan of Bruce, Andy ?

posted on 28/9/20

Not one bit, got us playing the worst football in my lifetime.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by I want to stuff this 8===D as far as it will go an squeal like a pig (U20589)
posted 7 seconds ago
var look at every incident regardless of shouting, the ref ignored the shouting for a start else he'd given it himself.
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And yet VAR didn't look at the decision that led to the free kick in the first place. Or they did and ignored the right decision.
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VAR don't look at free kicks, unless there is a possible red card.

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