comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted 22 seconds ago
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posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by HelpMordorPolis (U4292)
posted 24 seconds ago
But should it be made available to the consumer is the question?
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Is it?

Should mutton pies, deep fried pizza, turkey twizzlers and the like be sold?

People are supposed to be given choice in a free world. I’m genuinely struggling to understand two things.

One being when posters on here suddenly became food conscious.

The other being when they failed to grasp they don’t have to buy and then eat it.
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People will eat the cheapest crap available.

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Exactly. It's all very well saying "cool ill just spend more for better quality" but what about all the poor families out there struggling to feed their kids ffs
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Hmmm. I do get that.

I find it amazing though that many will buy all the non necessaries and wish list stuff in life but skimp on food, the very essential we all need.

And yes I know everyone can’t afford to go expensive on stuff but simply cutting crap out would help.

comment by 4star (U22472)
posted 1 minute ago
Global Food Security Index
Quality and Safety of Food World Rankings;

2nd USA
17th UK
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Discussion over.

That’s me done with rabble rousing today anyway.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by 4star (U22472)
posted 1 minute ago
Global Food Security Index
Quality and Safety of Food World Rankings;

2nd USA
17th UK
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Discussion over.

That’s me done with rabble rousing today anyway.
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Assume me aroused.

Oh?

comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 hours, 1 minute ago
One last point. Some amount of people on here who think they can put an app together with a few hundred thousand. Fwck off and stop being so stupid.
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Fair enough but £12 Billion for an app that doesn't do what it says in the tin is ridiculous.
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Didn't Ireland put an app together for a few hundred thousand?

Germany's cost £18m.

£12b seems just a tad expensive.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by 4star (U22472)
posted 1 minute ago
Global Food Security Index
Quality and Safety of Food World Rankings;

2nd USA
17th UK
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Discussion over.

That’s me done with rabble rousing today anyway.
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Assume me aroused.

Oh?
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There is something of a theme to you recent comments

comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......Schizophrenia was my idea!.....No it wasn't!.....You are never alone with a Schizo :D (U2115)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by 4star (U22472)
posted 1 minute ago
Global Food Security Index
Quality and Safety of Food World Rankings;

2nd USA
17th UK
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Discussion over.

That’s me done with rabble rousing today anyway.
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Assume me aroused.

Oh?
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There is something of a theme to you recent comments
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Like the last 15 years?

oops sorry made mistake

for Food Safety it is

4th USA
18th UK

2nd and 17th r overall ranking which includes affordability and availability.

comment by Call Sign: On Strike (U3627)
posted 7 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 2 minutes ago
Imagine if the company that made the app was the same one that wasted 20 billion on labours failed IT system for the NHS 😅

Can any of these clowns run things effectively? Clearly not.
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Having worked for the NHS and local government, IT always seems to be a major blind spot for public services and underfunded. Never understood why that is given how reliant we are on it now, and how much more reliant we will be in the future.

The NHS still runs on Windows XP ffs 🤦‍♂️

Local government are a bit better but get glitches on a weekly basis.. been a few times since WFH where I have no network access or I can't get drives to open.

Mental.
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XP! FFS that's an absolute joke, a hackers dream.
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It won't be the case anymore. I didn't work NHS but I worked for another public body and XP machines showing up were immediate red flags and priority to replace.

There may be some legacy PCs off the network that are XP with legacy databases that require keeping bit these will be in the process of bring virtualised with controlled access

It is true that public sector don't get the big bucks of the private sector but they do spend when it brings real value. The pot of money is there if the benefits can be achieved. I'd know as I led a huge project and got full funding.


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Only left the NHS last year and every computer ran off XP.

I mind when they got hit with that cyber atta k a few year ago that they were paying Microsoft tens of millions each year to keep producing exclusive security patches.

Could be all Windows 10 now but going by the pace of the NHS (especially their IT side) I would t be surprised if it wasn't.

I respect you'll probably have more inside info given its your trade mate.. and the fact I've no worked there in a year 😂

comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
Software development isn't as easy as throwing money at it and hoping it works. Has to be thought through properly and these things take time.
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Lots of time or practically unlimited cash.

Either will work.
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It takes 9 months to grow a baby. It doesn't take 3 women 3 months to do it.

Developer I work with used that expression the other day
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Funny.
Completely unrelated to software development of course.
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Well yes and no. Throwing extra developers at a problem doesn't necessarily decrease the time taken to build and test a piece of software.
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With 12 billions founds spent there is zero excuse for the shambles they've created.

Stand up a team of skilled developers, break it all into user stories written by a team of BAs, have daily stand ups and keep everything moving. Have a dedicated product owner responsible for each section and be testing whats been developed as you build.

Basically work agile (I guarantee they've worked in waterfall) and there is no reason the app shouldn't be for for purpose.

Id build it in 3 month with unlimited cash for devs, QA and POs no problem.
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What a load of sheite

Why don’t you offer your services to the country and sort this all out then?

Sakes.

“I’d sort it out with every expert and limitless amounts of cash”

So would anyone ffs.

It’s up there with “my Nan would have scored that”
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Not at all.

They've had limitless money and resources that affords and still fooked it up.

12 Billion should be a national outrage given the Irish have managed a better product for 700m.

Thieving duplicitous whankers.
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But you’re comparing apples with pears. They are two completely different things.

Put this up earlier

https://fullfact.org/online/ireland-uk-tracing-app/
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Should have read it too then

We’ve been alerted to a screenshot circulating across WhatsApp, Facebook and Twitter, which claims that the cost of the test and trace system in Ireland is £773,000, while the UK’s test and trace system has cost £12 billion.

This is a misleading comparison. The £773,000 refers just to the cost of designing the test and trace app in the Republic of Ireland. The £12 billion refers to the UK government’s provision for the whole test and trace system in England.

By comparison, the chief executive of the Irish Health Service Executive has said the full-year cost of its test and trace system could reach €700 million.
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I have got no idea what your point is other than reinforcing the notion that the figures being quoted are being misinterpreted and are essentially at completely different stages.

So erm, thanks.

Fwck me. Some amount of experts on here again. Yet all claim to being equally unaware of what we are dealing with.

Amazing stuff
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You've had a mare here Ginger.

I said "12 Billion should be a national outrage given the Irish have managed a better product for 700m."

You said that was comparing apples to pears.

Cost of full test and trace (Ireland) 700m
Cost of full test and trace (UK) 12 BILLION.

Apples with apples.

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And one of them works.

Eh?

It’s not finished yet.

ffs

So £12b for a broken app 😂

Complicated juke. Underinvestment but also small volume specialist equipment with prices too low to merit upgrade investment. Also purchasing specs that would not be suitable to either side but urgency to spend and get something compromises on the support side. My own industry was like that too. Drop support so they have to buy a new one. Ultimately, we had to operate some off network.

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 2 minutes ago
So £12b for a broken app 😂
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No. Read the thread.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 2 minutes ago
So £12b for a broken app 😂
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No. Read the thread.
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I got to page 5 before being near bored to sleep 😂

So £12b for an unfinished app?

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by rats juice because we are Rangers (U6393)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rats juice because we are Rangers (U6393)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
Fwxakes. It’s pretty simple

Don’t buy it if you don’t want to eat it.

Sheeesh
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Not as simple as that. Our food labelling is pretty stringent compared to the US. If those standards are also lowered we could be eating any ole schite.
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Why?

Is our food labelling changing?
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I did say in the previous post
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No. You said “if”.

I’m asking if they are?

There is absolutely no mention of us changing our labelling requirements but if in doubt I’d suggest not buying food that has “produce of the U.S” or whoever it is, especially if it’s a chicken which seems to be the main thing everyone is so up in arms about.

Most of them will likely tuck into bacon, sausage (think of the utter crap in them), black pudding, and fried tattie scones of a weekend.

And then whine about U.S. chicken.
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After they’ve had a few smokes and some instant coffee.

And before they scoff some crisps mid morning and maybe an iced bun.

Dinner of roast chicken (they won’t likely have looked where it comes from already), overdone veg, thick fatty gravy, roast potatoes and maybe pudding.

Then sit on their fat rses the rest of the day and evening because they’ve to go to work and sit at their office chair all the next week.

I can go on all night in this
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That sounds banging

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 minutes ago
Eh?

It’s not finished yet.

ffs
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What the chicken?

comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 minutes ago
Eh?

It’s not finished yet.

ffs
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What the chicken?
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Careful then that's no safe

I just had some lamb saag
Lovely after 14 hours in the office

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 2 minutes ago
So £12b for a broken app 😂
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No. Read the thread.
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I got to page 5 before being near bored to sleep 😂

So £12b for an unfinished app?
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Apparently, 12bn to T&T 56m people in England & Wales with the app being part of that.

Versus 700m to T&T 4.9m people in Ireland including their app as part of that.

The app is a red herring for both given the low uptake.

comment by An s&m Lauders (U9757)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 minutes ago
Eh?

It’s not finished yet.

ffs
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What the chicken?
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Careful then that's no safe

I just had some lamb saag
Lovely after 14 hours in the office
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I hope it was in a fridge...

All joking aside, all Brits overcooking veg is a bigger worry.

None of the goodness and who actually wants that texture

comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......Schizophrenia was my idea!.....No it wasn't!.....You are never alone with a Schizo :D (U2115)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by An s&m Lauders (U9757)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 minutes ago
Eh?

It’s not finished yet.

ffs
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What the chicken?
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Careful then that's no safe

I just had some lamb saag
Lovely after 14 hours in the office
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I hope it was in a fridge...
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Haha

comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......Schizophrenia was my idea!.....No it wasn't!.....You are never alone with a Schizo :D (U2115)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by An s&m Lauders (U9757)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 minutes ago
Eh?

It’s not finished yet.

ffs
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What the chicken?
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Careful then that's no safe

I just had some lamb saag
Lovely after 14 hours in the office
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I hope it was in a fridge...
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Like Boris?

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 10 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 2 minutes ago
Imagine if the company that made the app was the same one that wasted 20 billion on labours failed IT system for the NHS 😅

Can any of these clowns run things effectively? Clearly not.
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Having worked for the NHS and local government, IT always seems to be a major blind spot for public services and underfunded. Never understood why that is given how reliant we are on it now, and how much more reliant we will be in the future.

The NHS still runs on Windows XP ffs 🤦‍♂️

Local government are a bit better but get glitches on a weekly basis.. been a few times since WFH where I have no network access or I can't get drives to open.

Mental.
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I think it's because it's easy to peddle high invoices under the guise of IT or systems etc If it doesn't work in the end or get completed the next government will scrap it (to do their own) and will happily use it as a stick to beat the old government. Rinse and repeat for each party.

Scandalous indeed and it's workers like you that don't get pay rises and bare the stress of not having the systems you need to do your jobs.

comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 10 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 2 minutes ago
Imagine if the company that made the app was the same one that wasted 20 billion on labours failed IT system for the NHS 😅

Can any of these clowns run things effectively? Clearly not.
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Having worked for the NHS and local government, IT always seems to be a major blind spot for public services and underfunded. Never understood why that is given how reliant we are on it now, and how much more reliant we will be in the future.

The NHS still runs on Windows XP ffs 🤦‍♂️

Local government are a bit better but get glitches on a weekly basis.. been a few times since WFH where I have no network access or I can't get drives to open.

Mental.
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I think it's because it's easy to peddle high invoices under the guise of IT or systems etc If it doesn't work in the end or get completed the next government will scrap it (to do their own) and will happily use it as a stick to beat the old government. Rinse and repeat for each party.

Scandalous indeed and it's workers like you that don't get pay rises and bare the stress of not having the systems you need to do your jobs.
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It's easy to pedal a tricycle

comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 6 hours, 3 minutes ago
The money the deloite contractors must have been on! Over 2.3k daily rates I read. Scandalous stuff, I could have built that thing with a few quality developers no problem, in Ireland we built one for just over 700k and its doing a job.
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Well, you are talking bolloks again as usual

https://fullfact.org/online/ireland-uk-tracing-app/
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Nope