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comment by The Crystal Skull from thon Indiana Jones Disaster (U21917)
posted 1 minute ago
Ian Wright said something that made sense?
well I guess VAR is always checked when a goal goes in but it is only checked if a tackle if deemed worthy of being checked.
I don't like VAR but it either should be used for every decision or none.
A simple throw in going the wrong can lead to a goal 2 minutes later for either side.
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We can’t use it for everything otherwise games would go on for three hours. But the Pickford incident is outrageous, both feet off the ground and not one official thought it worthy of a referral? I can stomach the offside decision as most teams have had that happen to them.
I’m one of those who doesn’t want VAR at all.
At the very least, I’d accept goal line tech but everything else is killing the authenticity of the beautiful game.
We also need to remember why it was brought in. It’s aim was to reduce the number of incorrect decisions. But over the last 14 months, I think we’ve seen some of the worst decisions in memory. Real shocking decisions that put a dagger into the heart of what makes football so good.
The offside decision at the end summed it up for me. A beautiful piece of play, worthy enough to win any game was punished by a man with a computer. Unacceptable.
The mane var decision was outrageous.
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
Not saying pickford shouldn't have been sent off as it was a horror challenge. Just uncertain if by the letter of the law it was something var couldn't get involved in unless ref had said something
Again not justifying and if it is currently letter of the law it needs changing. Just curious if that was why it wasn't given
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 8 seconds ago
The mane var decision was outrageous.
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
Not saying pickford shouldn't have been sent off as it was a horror challenge. Just uncertain if by the letter of the law it was something var couldn't get involved in unless ref had said something
Again not justifying and if it is currently letter of the law it needs changing. Just curious if that was why it wasn't given
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No idea what the law is, but even if that is the case then surely it’s classed as an off the ball incident, so still subject to action?
As ridiculous as the offside decision was, I can stomach it a little because other teams have had it happen to them. But when you see how far Mane’s feet are behind the line it just makes a mockery of the game in general.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m one of those who doesn’t want VAR at all.
At the very least, I’d accept goal line tech but everything else is killing the authenticity of the beautiful game.
We also need to remember why it was brought in. It’s aim was to reduce the number of incorrect decisions. But over the last 14 months, I think we’ve seen some of the worst decisions in memory. Real shocking decisions that put a dagger into the heart of what makes football so good.
The offside decision at the end summed it up for me. A beautiful piece of play, worthy enough to win any game was punished by a man with a computer. Unacceptable.
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Hand of God
Henry v Ireland
Lamport ghost goal
Carroll ghost goal
Beach Ball
Sterling goal disallowed vs City in 2014
Leverkusen goal where the ball went wide but through a hole in the net and a goal was given.
I can't recall any incorrect decisions in the last 18 months that are on the level of these which would all have been fixed with technology available.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 8 seconds ago
The mane var decision was outrageous.
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
Not saying pickford shouldn't have been sent off as it was a horror challenge. Just uncertain if by the letter of the law it was something var couldn't get involved in unless ref had said something
Again not justifying and if it is currently letter of the law it needs changing. Just curious if that was why it wasn't given
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No idea what the law is, but even if that is the case then surely it’s classed as an off the ball incident, so still subject to action?
As ridiculous as the offside decision was, I can stomach it a little because other teams have had it happen to them. But when you see how far Mane’s feet are behind the line it just makes a mockery of the game in general.
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I don't know mate hence my asking. Not sure what var can get involved in. It's a little like the red behind the goal we saw a while back.
As for offside then in tight decisions it should go in strikers favour end of
I also think feet should be the main thing as players facing different ways should be taken into account. Eg a high ball will see defender running one way whereas a striker would be looking to run in behind
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comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 8 seconds ago
The mane var decision was outrageous.
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
Not saying pickford shouldn't have been sent off as it was a horror challenge. Just uncertain if by the letter of the law it was something var couldn't get involved in unless ref had said something
Again not justifying and if it is currently letter of the law it needs changing. Just curious if that was why it wasn't given
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No idea what the law is, but even if that is the case then surely it’s classed as an off the ball incident, so still subject to action?
As ridiculous as the offside decision was, I can stomach it a little because other teams have had it happen to them. But when you see how far Mane’s feet are behind the line it just makes a mockery of the game in general.
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I don't know mate hence my asking. Not sure what var can get involved in. It's a little like the red behind the goal we saw a while back.
As for offside then in tight decisions it should go in strikers favour end of
I also think feet should be the main thing as players facing different ways should be taken into account. Eg a high ball will see defender running one way whereas a striker would be looking to run in behind
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Offsides in tight decisions should go with whatever the correct decision is.
I know it was a derby but it seems that Everton deliberately tried to injure the Liverpool players.
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
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No, otherwise Richarlison wouldn't have been sent off as the ref had already blown for a foul.
You cannot just smash someone because they are offside.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 17 minutes ago
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
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No, otherwise Richarlison wouldn't have been sent off as the ref had already blown for a foul.
You cannot just smash someone because they are offside.
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Some of the match reports I've read have said that VAR didn't even actually look at the Pickford tackle. I dont know if this is the writer of the article assuming, or of it has been confirmed but if the latter then that is really bad from the VAR.
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Agreed, yet I'm just going by what was reported. Either VAR missed the incident because the were focusing on checking the offside, or they checked it and deemed it was fine. Both options are worrying and and so asking for clarification on this is a reasonable thing to do.
Oh my God, Liverpool for once get VAR go against them and they can't stop furrrking crying. Where was the outrage when Chelsea were robbed at Stamford Bridge vs United last season? Or when Liverpool robbed Wolves last season.
Maybe Chelsea and Wolves should have asked for an explanation of the decisions.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
Maybe Chelsea and Wolves should have asked for an explanation of the decisions.
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I mean, sure? If they felt the decisions needed further explanation then I would expect them to. Do you not give/get given feedback in your job?
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 8 minutes ago
I was answering Wahlly.
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Sorry, my mistake. I missed his comment.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Debatable
Apparently David Coote (the suspected manc) was so focussed on looking at whether or not VVD was offside he neglected to even look at the deliberate assault by Pickford
You seem to think VAR is some sort of fancy AI - it's not - it's a bloke sat in front of a fuсking computer
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Debatable
Apparently David Coote (the suspected manc) was so focussed on looking at whether or not VVD was offside he neglected to even look at the deliberate assault by Pickford
You seem to think VAR is some sort of fancy AI - it's not - it's a bloke sat in front of a fuсking computer
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No, I think it is two blokes watching TVs who would have seen the Pickford/VvD incident.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Debatable
Apparently David Coote (the suspected manc) was so focussed on looking at whether or not VVD was offside he neglected to even look at the deliberate assault by Pickford
You seem to think VAR is some sort of fancy AI - it's not - it's a bloke sat in front of a fuсking computer
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No, I think it is two blokes watching TVs who would have seen the Pickford/VvD incident.
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So you agree that it should have been looked at, but they didn't bother
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Debatable
Apparently David Coote (the suspected manc) was so focussed on looking at whether or not VVD was offside he neglected to even look at the deliberate assault by Pickford
You seem to think VAR is some sort of fancy AI - it's not - it's a bloke sat in front of a fuсking computer
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No, I think it is two blokes watching TVs who would have seen the Pickford/VvD incident.
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So you agree that it should have been looked at, but they didn't bother
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No, I am sure they saw it. They just didn't think it was worthy of a red card over-rule of the ref.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Debatable
Apparently David Coote (the suspected manc) was so focussed on looking at whether or not VVD was offside he neglected to even look at the deliberate assault by Pickford
You seem to think VAR is some sort of fancy AI - it's not - it's a bloke sat in front of a fuсking computer
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No, I think it is two blokes watching TVs who would have seen the Pickford/VvD incident.
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So you agree that it should have been looked at, but they didn't bother
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No, I am sure they saw it. They just didn't think it was worthy of a red card over-rule of the ref.
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So it's Dave Coote who's not up to the job
Not exactly the first time he's been embroiled in controversy
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posted on 17/10/20
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posted on 17/10/20
comment by The Crystal Skull from thon Indiana Jones Disaster (U21917)
posted 1 minute ago
Ian Wright said something that made sense?
well I guess VAR is always checked when a goal goes in but it is only checked if a tackle if deemed worthy of being checked.
I don't like VAR but it either should be used for every decision or none.
A simple throw in going the wrong can lead to a goal 2 minutes later for either side.
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We can’t use it for everything otherwise games would go on for three hours. But the Pickford incident is outrageous, both feet off the ground and not one official thought it worthy of a referral? I can stomach the offside decision as most teams have had that happen to them.
posted on 17/10/20
I’m one of those who doesn’t want VAR at all.
At the very least, I’d accept goal line tech but everything else is killing the authenticity of the beautiful game.
We also need to remember why it was brought in. It’s aim was to reduce the number of incorrect decisions. But over the last 14 months, I think we’ve seen some of the worst decisions in memory. Real shocking decisions that put a dagger into the heart of what makes football so good.
The offside decision at the end summed it up for me. A beautiful piece of play, worthy enough to win any game was punished by a man with a computer. Unacceptable.
posted on 17/10/20
The mane var decision was outrageous.
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
Not saying pickford shouldn't have been sent off as it was a horror challenge. Just uncertain if by the letter of the law it was something var couldn't get involved in unless ref had said something
Again not justifying and if it is currently letter of the law it needs changing. Just curious if that was why it wasn't given
posted on 17/10/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 8 seconds ago
The mane var decision was outrageous.
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
Not saying pickford shouldn't have been sent off as it was a horror challenge. Just uncertain if by the letter of the law it was something var couldn't get involved in unless ref had said something
Again not justifying and if it is currently letter of the law it needs changing. Just curious if that was why it wasn't given
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No idea what the law is, but even if that is the case then surely it’s classed as an off the ball incident, so still subject to action?
As ridiculous as the offside decision was, I can stomach it a little because other teams have had it happen to them. But when you see how far Mane’s feet are behind the line it just makes a mockery of the game in general.
posted on 17/10/20
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m one of those who doesn’t want VAR at all.
At the very least, I’d accept goal line tech but everything else is killing the authenticity of the beautiful game.
We also need to remember why it was brought in. It’s aim was to reduce the number of incorrect decisions. But over the last 14 months, I think we’ve seen some of the worst decisions in memory. Real shocking decisions that put a dagger into the heart of what makes football so good.
The offside decision at the end summed it up for me. A beautiful piece of play, worthy enough to win any game was punished by a man with a computer. Unacceptable.
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Hand of God
Henry v Ireland
Lamport ghost goal
Carroll ghost goal
Beach Ball
Sterling goal disallowed vs City in 2014
Leverkusen goal where the ball went wide but through a hole in the net and a goal was given.
I can't recall any incorrect decisions in the last 18 months that are on the level of these which would all have been fixed with technology available.
posted on 17/10/20
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 8 seconds ago
The mane var decision was outrageous.
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
Not saying pickford shouldn't have been sent off as it was a horror challenge. Just uncertain if by the letter of the law it was something var couldn't get involved in unless ref had said something
Again not justifying and if it is currently letter of the law it needs changing. Just curious if that was why it wasn't given
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No idea what the law is, but even if that is the case then surely it’s classed as an off the ball incident, so still subject to action?
As ridiculous as the offside decision was, I can stomach it a little because other teams have had it happen to them. But when you see how far Mane’s feet are behind the line it just makes a mockery of the game in general.
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I don't know mate hence my asking. Not sure what var can get involved in. It's a little like the red behind the goal we saw a while back.
As for offside then in tight decisions it should go in strikers favour end of
I also think feet should be the main thing as players facing different ways should be taken into account. Eg a high ball will see defender running one way whereas a striker would be looking to run in behind
posted on 17/10/20
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posted on 17/10/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 8 seconds ago
The mane var decision was outrageous.
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
Not saying pickford shouldn't have been sent off as it was a horror challenge. Just uncertain if by the letter of the law it was something var couldn't get involved in unless ref had said something
Again not justifying and if it is currently letter of the law it needs changing. Just curious if that was why it wasn't given
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No idea what the law is, but even if that is the case then surely it’s classed as an off the ball incident, so still subject to action?
As ridiculous as the offside decision was, I can stomach it a little because other teams have had it happen to them. But when you see how far Mane’s feet are behind the line it just makes a mockery of the game in general.
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I don't know mate hence my asking. Not sure what var can get involved in. It's a little like the red behind the goal we saw a while back.
As for offside then in tight decisions it should go in strikers favour end of
I also think feet should be the main thing as players facing different ways should be taken into account. Eg a high ball will see defender running one way whereas a striker would be looking to run in behind
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Offsides in tight decisions should go with whatever the correct decision is.
posted on 18/10/20
I know it was a derby but it seems that Everton deliberately tried to injure the Liverpool players.
posted on 18/10/20
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
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No, otherwise Richarlison wouldn't have been sent off as the ref had already blown for a foul.
You cannot just smash someone because they are offside.
posted on 18/10/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 17 minutes ago
The pickford one I'm not sure but isn't there something about giving the first decision, which was virgil being offside?
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No, otherwise Richarlison wouldn't have been sent off as the ref had already blown for a foul.
You cannot just smash someone because they are offside.
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Some of the match reports I've read have said that VAR didn't even actually look at the Pickford tackle. I dont know if this is the writer of the article assuming, or of it has been confirmed but if the latter then that is really bad from the VAR.
posted on 18/10/20
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
posted on 18/10/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Agreed, yet I'm just going by what was reported. Either VAR missed the incident because the were focusing on checking the offside, or they checked it and deemed it was fine. Both options are worrying and and so asking for clarification on this is a reasonable thing to do.
posted on 18/10/20
Oh my God, Liverpool for once get VAR go against them and they can't stop furrrking crying. Where was the outrage when Chelsea were robbed at Stamford Bridge vs United last season? Or when Liverpool robbed Wolves last season.
posted on 18/10/20
Maybe Chelsea and Wolves should have asked for an explanation of the decisions.
posted on 18/10/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
Maybe Chelsea and Wolves should have asked for an explanation of the decisions.
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I mean, sure? If they felt the decisions needed further explanation then I would expect them to. Do you not give/get given feedback in your job?
posted on 18/10/20
I was answering Wahlly.
posted on 18/10/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 8 minutes ago
I was answering Wahlly.
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Sorry, my mistake. I missed his comment.
posted on 18/10/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Debatable
Apparently David Coote (the suspected manc) was so focussed on looking at whether or not VVD was offside he neglected to even look at the deliberate assault by Pickford
You seem to think VAR is some sort of fancy AI - it's not - it's a bloke sat in front of a fuсking computer
posted on 18/10/20
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Debatable
Apparently David Coote (the suspected manc) was so focussed on looking at whether or not VVD was offside he neglected to even look at the deliberate assault by Pickford
You seem to think VAR is some sort of fancy AI - it's not - it's a bloke sat in front of a fuсking computer
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No, I think it is two blokes watching TVs who would have seen the Pickford/VvD incident.
posted on 18/10/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Debatable
Apparently David Coote (the suspected manc) was so focussed on looking at whether or not VVD was offside he neglected to even look at the deliberate assault by Pickford
You seem to think VAR is some sort of fancy AI - it's not - it's a bloke sat in front of a fuсking computer
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No, I think it is two blokes watching TVs who would have seen the Pickford/VvD incident.
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So you agree that it should have been looked at, but they didn't bother
posted on 18/10/20
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Debatable
Apparently David Coote (the suspected manc) was so focussed on looking at whether or not VVD was offside he neglected to even look at the deliberate assault by Pickford
You seem to think VAR is some sort of fancy AI - it's not - it's a bloke sat in front of a fuсking computer
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No, I think it is two blokes watching TVs who would have seen the Pickford/VvD incident.
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So you agree that it should have been looked at, but they didn't bother
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No, I am sure they saw it. They just didn't think it was worthy of a red card over-rule of the ref.
posted on 18/10/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
VAR look at everything. They sit there watching the game, and have access to replays of everything.
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Debatable
Apparently David Coote (the suspected manc) was so focussed on looking at whether or not VVD was offside he neglected to even look at the deliberate assault by Pickford
You seem to think VAR is some sort of fancy AI - it's not - it's a bloke sat in front of a fuсking computer
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No, I think it is two blokes watching TVs who would have seen the Pickford/VvD incident.
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So you agree that it should have been looked at, but they didn't bother
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No, I am sure they saw it. They just didn't think it was worthy of a red card over-rule of the ref.
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So it's Dave Coote who's not up to the job
Not exactly the first time he's been embroiled in controversy
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