Bruno is our best AM. Pogba should never be taking his place there. VDB ability to find space and one touch passing is invaluable but he is also excellent at drifting into the box and again finding space. No way should he be the one further back. Pogba imo needs legs around him like he does with Kante in the France team. We can’t keep making excuses for him. He is big, strong and athletic and needs to show it more. I’m not entirely sure we can use both Bruno and Pogba with the current players we have in our squad
Oh dear oh dear. Another anti Ole article. This is ridiculous now.
For me Pogba needs to go.
As good as he is ( and on his day he is up there with the very best) that day doesnt come often enough.
id much rather a 7 or out out of 10 player every game than a 10 out of 10 one game and 5 out of 10 for the next dozen and thats what pogba is.
Due to his wages and ego he will not settle for being a bit part player, and at the moment thats all his performances warrant.
time to move him on and get someone who can play behind bruno and DVB
Pogba takes far too many touches, slowing down our play. He is best in and around the box, he makes some brilliant runs into the box when given the license to do so.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Bruno is our best AM. Pogba should never be taking his place there. VDB ability to find space and one touch passing is invaluable but he is also excellent at drifting into the box and again finding space. No way should he be the one further back. Pogba imo needs legs around him like he does with Kante in the France team. We can’t keep making excuses for him. He is big, strong and athletic and needs to show it more. I’m not entirely sure we can use both Bruno and Pogba with the current players we have in our squad
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I hear you with respect to VDB's qualities (he's a natural AM) but I'd have him in CM over Pogba any day of the week. RE Bruno I actually disagree, overall I think Pogba and Bruno are at a similar level as AM's (Bruno I don't think has reached the level Pogba did when Ole first took over and played him as an AM). Pogba's athletism will never help him as a CM, he just doesn't have the defensive qualities and also doesn't have the best stamina.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 16 minutes ago
Pogba takes far too many touches, slowing down our play. He is best in and around the box, he makes some brilliant runs into the box when given the license to do so.
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Yet he won the World Cup playing in this style you say isn't good enough.
comment by Culer (U22424)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 16 minutes ago
Pogba takes far too many touches, slowing down our play. He is best in and around the box, he makes some brilliant runs into the box when given the license to do so.
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Yet he won the World Cup playing in this style you say isn't good enough.
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You can get away with it in the international scene. The cut and thrust of Premier league you can’t
Our formation is not designed to get the best out of what we have. It is no coincidence we played much better and won once we had a VDB, Pogba and Bruno on in a kind of diamond.
Ole needs to realise this and change it up otherwise he will have no one to blame but himself when he loses his job. If we deploy a diamond as below then we will start to see much better results.
-----Matic
VDB-----Pogba
-----Bruno
With Fred, McT and Mata subbing in for their respective positions.
Pogba has to win his place back in CM and demonstrate that he deserves to keep it by putting in quality performances in which he contributes consistently both offensively and defensively, period.
Bruno is our first choice number ten. VDB can compete with him for the role, serve as backup to keep him fresh if he can’t displace him, and otherwise be used as an impact sub or auxiliary inside forward if the situation serves.
We don’t need all three on the pitch at the same time as much as we need a good balance on the pitch, fresh legs through an incredibly congested fixture schedule, a bench that offers tactical flexibility, and depth in the squad to cover injuries.
comment by Car Van knee (U5318)
posted 5 minutes ago
Our formation is not designed to get the best out of what we have. It is no coincidence we played much better and won once we had a VDB, Pogba and Bruno on in a kind of diamond.
Ole needs to realise this and change it up otherwise he will have no one to blame but himself when he loses his job. If we deploy a diamond as below then we will start to see much better results.
-----Matic
VDB-----Pogba
-----Bruno
With Fred, McT and Mata subbing in for their respective positions.
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When have we played with those players in a diamond?
At the weekend, we saw Pogba in a midfield two, VDB at number ten and Bruno playing off the left as a wide forward.
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 52 minutes ago
For me Pogba needs to go.
As good as he is ( and on his day he is up there with the very best) that day doesnt come often enough.
id much rather a 7 or out out of 10 player every game than a 10 out of 10 one game and 5 out of 10 for the next dozen and thats what pogba is.
Due to his wages and ego he will not settle for being a bit part player, and at the moment thats all his performances warrant.
time to move him on and get someone who can play behind bruno and DVB
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Yup he’s had enough time. Too inconsistent and just gets shrugged off the ball at times but I rarely see him doing that to other players.
First bid of £60m is ship him off to go play for ZZ
It isn't that easy to just 'play a diamond' as if you're changing formations on a video game. Its a difficult system to pull off and will require time to get right.
Having said that, we have seen a diamond of sorts work well back in Ole's early days with Lingard in a false 9 between 2 split strikers. Perhaps Bruno could take up that role.
The way our squad is built at the moment (with an abundance of CMs, 4 potential CFs comfortable in the channels and not much in terms of depth in the wide areas) we do seem to have the players for it - would be interesting to see us try and pull it off.
I could not agree any more with op
I have been saying pogba is not a sitting type of ozil even before we bought him. He is terrible in the role he is bein asked to play and that is not anti-ole just facts.
unless we are prepared to play pogba higher up the pitch he will continue to be a liability.
Bruno DVB Pogba
Play them as a 3. Bruno and VDB graft enough.
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 5 minutes ago
I could not agree any more with op
I have been saying pogba is not a sitting type of ozil even before we bought him. He is terrible in the role he is bein asked to play and that is not anti-ole just facts.
unless we are prepared to play pogba higher up the pitch he will continue to be a liability.
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I wouldn’t say he’s terrible. Sometimes he is; sometimes he’s fantastic, particularly offensively. I’d still put him amongst the top half of players playing the role in the PL. I’m not sure there are many, if any, that contribute to the bottom line as heavily from the position as he does.
We know it isn’t close to his best position though. And that he can be a defensive liability.
I do actually think that given Ole’s system, it’s the best role for him from the perspective of the side though. He just isn’t at all suited to the system.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 19 minutes ago
It isn't that easy to just 'play a diamond' as if you're changing formations on a video game. Its a difficult system to pull off and will require time to get right.
Having said that, we have seen a diamond of sorts work well back in Ole's early days with Lingard in a false 9 between 2 split strikers. Perhaps Bruno could take up that role.
The way our squad is built at the moment (with an abundance of CMs, 4 potential CFs comfortable in the channels and not much in terms of depth in the wide areas) we do seem to have the players for it - would be interesting to see us try and pull it off.
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It would also let Rashford be a bit more central during the game, drifting out wide as needed. He played his best game for us on Saturday since his back injury. With Telles we have a great option to create width on the left and if AWB can play high more often (like saturday) then width isn't a issues
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 41 seconds ago
Bruno DVB Pogba
Play them as a 3. Bruno and VDB graft enough.
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after the newcastle game, i feel we can accomodate all 3 (or 2 of the 3) if we abandon the idea of a traditional wide forward.
i wil play a 442 diamond
ddg
rb-------cb----cb-----lb
-----------matic----------
-vdb(McT)---pogba---
-----------bruno----------
----martial---rashford---
Pogba, Bruno and VDB are all excellent players, the problem is that they are all best employed ahead of 2 midfielders which makes getting the best out of them at the same time very difficult.
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That's not true though given Pogba played his best football at Juventus on the left of a three man central midfield with Pirlo holding and Vidal/Marchisio occupying the right sided central position, the same is true of Pogba at United.
All three of those players could easily play in one or two of the two advanced midfield positions in a 4-3-3. Van de Beek's done it for Ajax, Bruno has done it plenty of times for Sporting and still does it for Portugal.
4-3-3 would make far better use of the players we have because it allows Pogba to get closer to the box and link with the attackers, something he did very well when Ole first took charge but it also means we have another player who can provide far greater penetration from deeper positions in Bruno and when it comes to defending there's no reason why the pair of them can't work out between them when to sit and when to push forward. They're both very good players and they can defend when asked to, they've demonstrated it before at previous clubs and for their countries.
I also think 4-3-3 would improve us in terms of build up as it would provide our defenders with better passing options and if we wished to adopt a more coordinated aggressive press, it would help in that respect as well.
I think it would help our full-backs too, giving them another option to combine with improving our link up play in the wider areas which would be welcomed especially down the right. It could prove an advantage if Cavani was playing as well because with Bruno and Pogba having license to drift out to wider positions, they'd have more opportunities to put the ball in the box and both of them have the quality to find Cavani's runs.
It isn't going to happen because the manager is too set in his ways but 4-3-3 I think offers us more variety and flexibility, it would give us better balance in both defence and attack and it would allow us to control games better, especially against the better sides.
It's not perfect by any means but given the squad of players we have, no system is.
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 7 minutes ago
Pogba, Bruno and VDB are all excellent players, the problem is that they are all best employed ahead of 2 midfielders which makes getting the best out of them at the same time very difficult.
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That's not true though given Pogba played his best football at Juventus on the left of a three man central midfield with Pirlo holding and Vidal/Marchisio occupying the right sided central position, the same is true of Pogba at United.
All three of those players could easily play in one or two of the two advanced midfield positions in a 4-3-3. Van de Beek's done it for Ajax, Bruno has done it plenty of times for Sporting and still does it for Portugal.
4-3-3 would make far better use of the players we have because it allows Pogba to get closer to the box and link with the attackers, something he did very well when Ole first took charge but it also means we have another player who can provide far greater penetration from deeper positions in Bruno and when it comes to defending there's no reason why the pair of them can't work out between them when to sit and when to push forward. They're both very good players and they can defend when asked to, they've demonstrated it before at previous clubs and for their countries.
I also think 4-3-3 would improve us in terms of build up as it would provide our defenders with better passing options and if we wished to adopt a more coordinated aggressive press, it would help in that respect as well.
I think it would help our full-backs too, giving them another option to combine with improving our link up play in the wider areas which would be welcomed especially down the right. It could prove an advantage if Cavani was playing as well because with Bruno and Pogba having license to drift out to wider positions, they'd have more opportunities to put the ball in the box and both of them have the quality to find Cavani's runs.
It isn't going to happen because the manager is too set in his ways but 4-3-3 I think offers us more variety and flexibility, it would give us better balance in both defence and attack and it would allow us to control games better, especially against the better sides.
It's not perfect by any means but given the squad of players we have, no system is.
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The problem with 433 is that the manager does notrust our defence and rightly so. If Matic covered a bit more ground like he used too then he could sit there and screen the defence and allow Pogba and Bruno to be further up. I believe the reason we have the 2 deeper CMS is that he thinks they give us more cover. Which actually they don't because Pogba isn't good at that role. If you play McT as the DM then he can cover more ground, but then the issue is that he isn't as good as Matic at taking the ball off the CBs and bringing it out from the back. Maybe VDB can be the deeper midfielder? But is he strong enough defensively? Carrick certainly wasn't but learnt to play that role to a T.
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Bruno is our best AM. Pogba should never be taking his place there. VDB ability to find space and one touch passing is invaluable but he is also excellent at drifting into the box and again finding space. No way should he be the one further back. Pogba imo needs legs around him like he does with Kante in the France team. We can’t keep making excuses for him. He is big, strong and athletic and needs to show it more. I’m not entirely sure we can use both Bruno and Pogba with the current players we have in our squad
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I hear you with respect to VDB's qualities (he's a natural AM) but I'd have him in CM over Pogba any day of the week. RE Bruno I actually disagree, overall I think Pogba and Bruno are at a similar level as AM's (Bruno I don't think has reached the level Pogba did when Ole first took over and played him as an AM). Pogba's athletism will never help him as a CM, he just doesn't have the defensive qualities and also doesn't have the best stamina.
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LOL. Whose this idiot. Bruno is our best player by far in the team. He has reached a higher level in 6 months than Pogba has for us ever. Even in his worst games Bruno threads through passes to release strikers one on one for fun.
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 13 minutes ago
Pogba, Bruno and VDB are all excellent players, the problem is that they are all best employed ahead of 2 midfielders which makes getting the best out of them at the same time very difficult.
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That's not true though given Pogba played his best football at Juventus on the left of a three man central midfield with Pirlo holding and Vidal/Marchisio occupying the right sided central position, the same is true of Pogba at United.
All three of those players could easily play in one or two of the two advanced midfield positions in a 4-3-3. Van de Beek's done it for Ajax, Bruno has done it plenty of times for Sporting and still does it for Portugal.
4-3-3 would make far better use of the players we have because it allows Pogba to get closer to the box and link with the attackers, something he did very well when Ole first took charge but it also means we have another player who can provide far greater penetration from deeper positions in Bruno and when it comes to defending there's no reason why the pair of them can't work out between them when to sit and when to push forward. They're both very good players and they can defend when asked to, they've demonstrated it before at previous clubs and for their countries.
I also think 4-3-3 would improve us in terms of build up as it would provide our defenders with better passing options and if we wished to adopt a more coordinated aggressive press, it would help in that respect as well.
I think it would help our full-backs too, giving them another option to combine with improving our link up play in the wider areas which would be welcomed especially down the right. It could prove an advantage if Cavani was playing as well because with Bruno and Pogba having license to drift out to wider positions, they'd have more opportunities to put the ball in the box and both of them have the quality to find Cavani's runs.
It isn't going to happen because the manager is too set in his ways but 4-3-3 I think offers us more variety and flexibility, it would give us better balance in both defence and attack and it would allow us to control games better, especially against the better sides.
It's not perfect by any means but given the squad of players we have, no system is.
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I gave up banging that drum years ago, TRS.
Fair play to you for retaining the energy and patience to keep doing so.
I wouldn't mind seeing something like;
---------------------De Gea
AWB-----Tuanzebe-----Maguire-------Telles
----------------------Matic
-----------Bruno-----------------DvB
Greenwood-------Cavani-----------Rashford
or
---------------------De Gea
AWB-----Tuanzebe-----Maguire-------Telles
----------------------Matic
-----------McT-----------------DvB
---------------------Bruno
-------------Cavani------Rashford
Harsh on Mata as he deserves to play, but not at the expense of Bruno or DvB for me as their mobility is important. That's the one thing it's a shame Mata doesn't have as he's technically brilliant.
i really like the diamond because it has our best players playing where the are must suited
The problem with 433 is that the manager does notrust our defence and rightly so.
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One way around that is to set up to get the best out of your attack which is by far the strongest part of the team to take some of the pressure off, which 4-3-3 would do and as I've said I think it would help us retain and move the ball better, another way to take some of the pressure off your defence.
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I believe the reason we have the 2 deeper CMS is that he thinks they give us more cover.
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If executed right playing with three midfielders would offer better cover.
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If you play McT as the DM then he can cover more ground, but then the issue is that he isn't as good as Matic at taking the ball off the CBs and bringing it out from the back.
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There's no reason why the three in midfield can't rotate when it comes to dropping and receiving the ball off the centre backs so it wouldn't just be the holding player that's doing it, it would be Bruno and Pogba as well. The important thing is that the other players are finding space and giving the receiver more options on the ball. That's not an issue with the system though, it's a coaching issue but it's still something that we can improve on.
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posted on 19/10/20
Bruno is our best AM. Pogba should never be taking his place there. VDB ability to find space and one touch passing is invaluable but he is also excellent at drifting into the box and again finding space. No way should he be the one further back. Pogba imo needs legs around him like he does with Kante in the France team. We can’t keep making excuses for him. He is big, strong and athletic and needs to show it more. I’m not entirely sure we can use both Bruno and Pogba with the current players we have in our squad
posted on 19/10/20
Oh dear oh dear. Another anti Ole article. This is ridiculous now.
posted on 19/10/20
For me Pogba needs to go.
As good as he is ( and on his day he is up there with the very best) that day doesnt come often enough.
id much rather a 7 or out out of 10 player every game than a 10 out of 10 one game and 5 out of 10 for the next dozen and thats what pogba is.
Due to his wages and ego he will not settle for being a bit part player, and at the moment thats all his performances warrant.
time to move him on and get someone who can play behind bruno and DVB
posted on 19/10/20
Pogba takes far too many touches, slowing down our play. He is best in and around the box, he makes some brilliant runs into the box when given the license to do so.
posted on 19/10/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Bruno is our best AM. Pogba should never be taking his place there. VDB ability to find space and one touch passing is invaluable but he is also excellent at drifting into the box and again finding space. No way should he be the one further back. Pogba imo needs legs around him like he does with Kante in the France team. We can’t keep making excuses for him. He is big, strong and athletic and needs to show it more. I’m not entirely sure we can use both Bruno and Pogba with the current players we have in our squad
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I hear you with respect to VDB's qualities (he's a natural AM) but I'd have him in CM over Pogba any day of the week. RE Bruno I actually disagree, overall I think Pogba and Bruno are at a similar level as AM's (Bruno I don't think has reached the level Pogba did when Ole first took over and played him as an AM). Pogba's athletism will never help him as a CM, he just doesn't have the defensive qualities and also doesn't have the best stamina.
posted on 19/10/20
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 16 minutes ago
Pogba takes far too many touches, slowing down our play. He is best in and around the box, he makes some brilliant runs into the box when given the license to do so.
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Yet he won the World Cup playing in this style you say isn't good enough.
posted on 19/10/20
comment by Culer (U22424)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 16 minutes ago
Pogba takes far too many touches, slowing down our play. He is best in and around the box, he makes some brilliant runs into the box when given the license to do so.
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Yet he won the World Cup playing in this style you say isn't good enough.
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You can get away with it in the international scene. The cut and thrust of Premier league you can’t
posted on 19/10/20
Our formation is not designed to get the best out of what we have. It is no coincidence we played much better and won once we had a VDB, Pogba and Bruno on in a kind of diamond.
Ole needs to realise this and change it up otherwise he will have no one to blame but himself when he loses his job. If we deploy a diamond as below then we will start to see much better results.
-----Matic
VDB-----Pogba
-----Bruno
With Fred, McT and Mata subbing in for their respective positions.
posted on 19/10/20
Pogba has to win his place back in CM and demonstrate that he deserves to keep it by putting in quality performances in which he contributes consistently both offensively and defensively, period.
Bruno is our first choice number ten. VDB can compete with him for the role, serve as backup to keep him fresh if he can’t displace him, and otherwise be used as an impact sub or auxiliary inside forward if the situation serves.
We don’t need all three on the pitch at the same time as much as we need a good balance on the pitch, fresh legs through an incredibly congested fixture schedule, a bench that offers tactical flexibility, and depth in the squad to cover injuries.
posted on 19/10/20
comment by Car Van knee (U5318)
posted 5 minutes ago
Our formation is not designed to get the best out of what we have. It is no coincidence we played much better and won once we had a VDB, Pogba and Bruno on in a kind of diamond.
Ole needs to realise this and change it up otherwise he will have no one to blame but himself when he loses his job. If we deploy a diamond as below then we will start to see much better results.
-----Matic
VDB-----Pogba
-----Bruno
With Fred, McT and Mata subbing in for their respective positions.
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When have we played with those players in a diamond?
At the weekend, we saw Pogba in a midfield two, VDB at number ten and Bruno playing off the left as a wide forward.
posted on 19/10/20
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 52 minutes ago
For me Pogba needs to go.
As good as he is ( and on his day he is up there with the very best) that day doesnt come often enough.
id much rather a 7 or out out of 10 player every game than a 10 out of 10 one game and 5 out of 10 for the next dozen and thats what pogba is.
Due to his wages and ego he will not settle for being a bit part player, and at the moment thats all his performances warrant.
time to move him on and get someone who can play behind bruno and DVB
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Yup he’s had enough time. Too inconsistent and just gets shrugged off the ball at times but I rarely see him doing that to other players.
First bid of £60m is ship him off to go play for ZZ
posted on 19/10/20
It isn't that easy to just 'play a diamond' as if you're changing formations on a video game. Its a difficult system to pull off and will require time to get right.
Having said that, we have seen a diamond of sorts work well back in Ole's early days with Lingard in a false 9 between 2 split strikers. Perhaps Bruno could take up that role.
The way our squad is built at the moment (with an abundance of CMs, 4 potential CFs comfortable in the channels and not much in terms of depth in the wide areas) we do seem to have the players for it - would be interesting to see us try and pull it off.
posted on 19/10/20
I could not agree any more with op
I have been saying pogba is not a sitting type of ozil even before we bought him. He is terrible in the role he is bein asked to play and that is not anti-ole just facts.
unless we are prepared to play pogba higher up the pitch he will continue to be a liability.
posted on 19/10/20
cm not ozil
posted on 19/10/20
Bruno DVB Pogba
Play them as a 3. Bruno and VDB graft enough.
posted on 19/10/20
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 5 minutes ago
I could not agree any more with op
I have been saying pogba is not a sitting type of ozil even before we bought him. He is terrible in the role he is bein asked to play and that is not anti-ole just facts.
unless we are prepared to play pogba higher up the pitch he will continue to be a liability.
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I wouldn’t say he’s terrible. Sometimes he is; sometimes he’s fantastic, particularly offensively. I’d still put him amongst the top half of players playing the role in the PL. I’m not sure there are many, if any, that contribute to the bottom line as heavily from the position as he does.
We know it isn’t close to his best position though. And that he can be a defensive liability.
I do actually think that given Ole’s system, it’s the best role for him from the perspective of the side though. He just isn’t at all suited to the system.
posted on 19/10/20
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 19 minutes ago
It isn't that easy to just 'play a diamond' as if you're changing formations on a video game. Its a difficult system to pull off and will require time to get right.
Having said that, we have seen a diamond of sorts work well back in Ole's early days with Lingard in a false 9 between 2 split strikers. Perhaps Bruno could take up that role.
The way our squad is built at the moment (with an abundance of CMs, 4 potential CFs comfortable in the channels and not much in terms of depth in the wide areas) we do seem to have the players for it - would be interesting to see us try and pull it off.
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It would also let Rashford be a bit more central during the game, drifting out wide as needed. He played his best game for us on Saturday since his back injury. With Telles we have a great option to create width on the left and if AWB can play high more often (like saturday) then width isn't a issues
posted on 19/10/20
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 41 seconds ago
Bruno DVB Pogba
Play them as a 3. Bruno and VDB graft enough.
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after the newcastle game, i feel we can accomodate all 3 (or 2 of the 3) if we abandon the idea of a traditional wide forward.
i wil play a 442 diamond
ddg
rb-------cb----cb-----lb
-----------matic----------
-vdb(McT)---pogba---
-----------bruno----------
----martial---rashford---
posted on 19/10/20
Pogba, Bruno and VDB are all excellent players, the problem is that they are all best employed ahead of 2 midfielders which makes getting the best out of them at the same time very difficult.
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That's not true though given Pogba played his best football at Juventus on the left of a three man central midfield with Pirlo holding and Vidal/Marchisio occupying the right sided central position, the same is true of Pogba at United.
All three of those players could easily play in one or two of the two advanced midfield positions in a 4-3-3. Van de Beek's done it for Ajax, Bruno has done it plenty of times for Sporting and still does it for Portugal.
4-3-3 would make far better use of the players we have because it allows Pogba to get closer to the box and link with the attackers, something he did very well when Ole first took charge but it also means we have another player who can provide far greater penetration from deeper positions in Bruno and when it comes to defending there's no reason why the pair of them can't work out between them when to sit and when to push forward. They're both very good players and they can defend when asked to, they've demonstrated it before at previous clubs and for their countries.
I also think 4-3-3 would improve us in terms of build up as it would provide our defenders with better passing options and if we wished to adopt a more coordinated aggressive press, it would help in that respect as well.
I think it would help our full-backs too, giving them another option to combine with improving our link up play in the wider areas which would be welcomed especially down the right. It could prove an advantage if Cavani was playing as well because with Bruno and Pogba having license to drift out to wider positions, they'd have more opportunities to put the ball in the box and both of them have the quality to find Cavani's runs.
It isn't going to happen because the manager is too set in his ways but 4-3-3 I think offers us more variety and flexibility, it would give us better balance in both defence and attack and it would allow us to control games better, especially against the better sides.
It's not perfect by any means but given the squad of players we have, no system is.
posted on 19/10/20
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 7 minutes ago
Pogba, Bruno and VDB are all excellent players, the problem is that they are all best employed ahead of 2 midfielders which makes getting the best out of them at the same time very difficult.
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That's not true though given Pogba played his best football at Juventus on the left of a three man central midfield with Pirlo holding and Vidal/Marchisio occupying the right sided central position, the same is true of Pogba at United.
All three of those players could easily play in one or two of the two advanced midfield positions in a 4-3-3. Van de Beek's done it for Ajax, Bruno has done it plenty of times for Sporting and still does it for Portugal.
4-3-3 would make far better use of the players we have because it allows Pogba to get closer to the box and link with the attackers, something he did very well when Ole first took charge but it also means we have another player who can provide far greater penetration from deeper positions in Bruno and when it comes to defending there's no reason why the pair of them can't work out between them when to sit and when to push forward. They're both very good players and they can defend when asked to, they've demonstrated it before at previous clubs and for their countries.
I also think 4-3-3 would improve us in terms of build up as it would provide our defenders with better passing options and if we wished to adopt a more coordinated aggressive press, it would help in that respect as well.
I think it would help our full-backs too, giving them another option to combine with improving our link up play in the wider areas which would be welcomed especially down the right. It could prove an advantage if Cavani was playing as well because with Bruno and Pogba having license to drift out to wider positions, they'd have more opportunities to put the ball in the box and both of them have the quality to find Cavani's runs.
It isn't going to happen because the manager is too set in his ways but 4-3-3 I think offers us more variety and flexibility, it would give us better balance in both defence and attack and it would allow us to control games better, especially against the better sides.
It's not perfect by any means but given the squad of players we have, no system is.
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The problem with 433 is that the manager does notrust our defence and rightly so. If Matic covered a bit more ground like he used too then he could sit there and screen the defence and allow Pogba and Bruno to be further up. I believe the reason we have the 2 deeper CMS is that he thinks they give us more cover. Which actually they don't because Pogba isn't good at that role. If you play McT as the DM then he can cover more ground, but then the issue is that he isn't as good as Matic at taking the ball off the CBs and bringing it out from the back. Maybe VDB can be the deeper midfielder? But is he strong enough defensively? Carrick certainly wasn't but learnt to play that role to a T.
posted on 19/10/20
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Bruno is our best AM. Pogba should never be taking his place there. VDB ability to find space and one touch passing is invaluable but he is also excellent at drifting into the box and again finding space. No way should he be the one further back. Pogba imo needs legs around him like he does with Kante in the France team. We can’t keep making excuses for him. He is big, strong and athletic and needs to show it more. I’m not entirely sure we can use both Bruno and Pogba with the current players we have in our squad
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I hear you with respect to VDB's qualities (he's a natural AM) but I'd have him in CM over Pogba any day of the week. RE Bruno I actually disagree, overall I think Pogba and Bruno are at a similar level as AM's (Bruno I don't think has reached the level Pogba did when Ole first took over and played him as an AM). Pogba's athletism will never help him as a CM, he just doesn't have the defensive qualities and also doesn't have the best stamina.
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LOL. Whose this idiot. Bruno is our best player by far in the team. He has reached a higher level in 6 months than Pogba has for us ever. Even in his worst games Bruno threads through passes to release strikers one on one for fun.
posted on 19/10/20
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 13 minutes ago
Pogba, Bruno and VDB are all excellent players, the problem is that they are all best employed ahead of 2 midfielders which makes getting the best out of them at the same time very difficult.
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That's not true though given Pogba played his best football at Juventus on the left of a three man central midfield with Pirlo holding and Vidal/Marchisio occupying the right sided central position, the same is true of Pogba at United.
All three of those players could easily play in one or two of the two advanced midfield positions in a 4-3-3. Van de Beek's done it for Ajax, Bruno has done it plenty of times for Sporting and still does it for Portugal.
4-3-3 would make far better use of the players we have because it allows Pogba to get closer to the box and link with the attackers, something he did very well when Ole first took charge but it also means we have another player who can provide far greater penetration from deeper positions in Bruno and when it comes to defending there's no reason why the pair of them can't work out between them when to sit and when to push forward. They're both very good players and they can defend when asked to, they've demonstrated it before at previous clubs and for their countries.
I also think 4-3-3 would improve us in terms of build up as it would provide our defenders with better passing options and if we wished to adopt a more coordinated aggressive press, it would help in that respect as well.
I think it would help our full-backs too, giving them another option to combine with improving our link up play in the wider areas which would be welcomed especially down the right. It could prove an advantage if Cavani was playing as well because with Bruno and Pogba having license to drift out to wider positions, they'd have more opportunities to put the ball in the box and both of them have the quality to find Cavani's runs.
It isn't going to happen because the manager is too set in his ways but 4-3-3 I think offers us more variety and flexibility, it would give us better balance in both defence and attack and it would allow us to control games better, especially against the better sides.
It's not perfect by any means but given the squad of players we have, no system is.
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I gave up banging that drum years ago, TRS.
Fair play to you for retaining the energy and patience to keep doing so.
posted on 19/10/20
I wouldn't mind seeing something like;
---------------------De Gea
AWB-----Tuanzebe-----Maguire-------Telles
----------------------Matic
-----------Bruno-----------------DvB
Greenwood-------Cavani-----------Rashford
or
---------------------De Gea
AWB-----Tuanzebe-----Maguire-------Telles
----------------------Matic
-----------McT-----------------DvB
---------------------Bruno
-------------Cavani------Rashford
Harsh on Mata as he deserves to play, but not at the expense of Bruno or DvB for me as their mobility is important. That's the one thing it's a shame Mata doesn't have as he's technically brilliant.
posted on 19/10/20
i really like the diamond because it has our best players playing where the are must suited
posted on 19/10/20
The problem with 433 is that the manager does notrust our defence and rightly so.
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One way around that is to set up to get the best out of your attack which is by far the strongest part of the team to take some of the pressure off, which 4-3-3 would do and as I've said I think it would help us retain and move the ball better, another way to take some of the pressure off your defence.
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I believe the reason we have the 2 deeper CMS is that he thinks they give us more cover.
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If executed right playing with three midfielders would offer better cover.
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If you play McT as the DM then he can cover more ground, but then the issue is that he isn't as good as Matic at taking the ball off the CBs and bringing it out from the back.
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There's no reason why the three in midfield can't rotate when it comes to dropping and receiving the ball off the centre backs so it wouldn't just be the holding player that's doing it, it would be Bruno and Pogba as well. The important thing is that the other players are finding space and giving the receiver more options on the ball. That's not an issue with the system though, it's a coaching issue but it's still something that we can improve on.
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