Cant agree Jimmy on the club looking for points compensation etc. Personally think that is a terrible idea and sets a dangerous precedent.

People get injured, thats football, do agree VAR should be used better for sure and hopefully a positive from this is that it's used better.

Jimmy


I disagree. Pickford has not cost Everton a single point this season.

VAR is the issue and I am sure, Like with Son and Aurier for the injury caused to Gomes he will be upset as they were. He isn’t a bad lad, sure he wishes he could turn back time.

But on pitch officials made glaring errors in a Derby again, for and against both sides.

I think this would be a very questionable proposal that wouldn't really be able to be applied in the grounds of fairness. Even in this game with the disallowed goal happening in the 92nd minutes, there would have still been time for Everton to kick-off and score an equaliser in the 94th minute (there was another game this very weekend where there was a very late equaliser).

By awarding points or goals post-game you are effectively saying that you will make a change but that no other subsequent change would have happened. What if the Henderson goal had been disallowed in the 75th minute?

Unfortunately you will never get perfect officials. Mistakes will happen. One of the reasons I am a supporter of VAR is because it reduces the frequency and number of mistakes, but it won't eradicate them. If the VAR on Saturday didn't actually check the tackle (which I've seen reported) then it needs to be noted and more training or guidance put in place so this is unlikely to happen again.

As for the offside, my understanding is that it was a tight, but correct call in which case it would be unfair to Everton if the goal had stood. The level of consistency brought by VAR means that it is fairer for all teams because I feel confident that it would have also been ruled out if it had been another team.

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 16 seconds ago
I think this would be a very questionable proposal that wouldn't really be able to be applied in the grounds of fairness. Even in this game with the disallowed goal happening in the 92nd minutes, there would have still been time for Everton to kick-off and score an equaliser in the 94th minute (there was another game this very weekend where there was a very late equaliser).

By awarding points or goals post-game you are effectively saying that you will make a change but that no other subsequent change would have happened. What if the Henderson goal had been disallowed in the 75th minute?

Unfortunately you will never get perfect officials. Mistakes will happen. One of the reasons I am a supporter of VAR is because it reduces the frequency and number of mistakes, but it won't eradicate them. If the VAR on Saturday didn't actually check the tackle (which I've seen reported) then it needs to be noted and more training or guidance put in place so this is unlikely to happen again.

As for the offside, my understanding is that it was a tight, but correct call in which case it would be unfair to Everton if the goal had stood. The level of consistency brought by VAR means that it is fairer for all teams because I feel confident that it would have also been ruled out if it had been another team.
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Good post mate, still feel that offsides like the mane one should not he given (for the enjoyment of the gsme) but then how do you set the bar that all decisions have to adhere to.

'It would be too late for our club at present, but under that option, the committee could award the offended club two points which I say we would have fully deserved.'



Christ.

You can't go around adjusting points after the fact. Who's to say had Henderson's goal been given, they wouldn't have went all out attack and scored? Unlikely I know but it could happen. Also what happens if the issue occurred with fifteen minutes to go? They would have changed approach for the final fifteen minutes.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 16 seconds ago
I think this would be a very questionable proposal that wouldn't really be able to be applied in the grounds of fairness. Even in this game with the disallowed goal happening in the 92nd minutes, there would have still been time for Everton to kick-off and score an equaliser in the 94th minute (there was another game this very weekend where there was a very late equaliser).

By awarding points or goals post-game you are effectively saying that you will make a change but that no other subsequent change would have happened. What if the Henderson goal had been disallowed in the 75th minute?

Unfortunately you will never get perfect officials. Mistakes will happen. One of the reasons I am a supporter of VAR is because it reduces the frequency and number of mistakes, but it won't eradicate them. If the VAR on Saturday didn't actually check the tackle (which I've seen reported) then it needs to be noted and more training or guidance put in place so this is unlikely to happen again.

As for the offside, my understanding is that it was a tight, but correct call in which case it would be unfair to Everton if the goal had stood. The level of consistency brought by VAR means that it is fairer for all teams because I feel confident that it would have also been ruled out if it had been another team.
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Good post mate, still feel that offsides like the mane one should not he given (for the enjoyment of the gsme) but then how do you set the bar that all decisions have to adhere to.
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I appreciate the frustration that some have. For me the bigger concern is the lack of consistency if we don't have VAR (at least for offside). I would rather have a situation where all offsides like the Mane one are disallowed than a situation from before where you could have two identical offsides in the same match and team A's goal is allowed because the linesman didn't flag, but their opposition's is disallowed because the linesman caught that one.

For me that is a much worse scenario because you are then, in effect, judging the teams to different standards and making it harder for one team to get a fair result. It isnt a fair contest, and with football already skewed by the money that some clubs have, the least we can do is make sure that the on-pitch contest is as fair as possible.

I sincerely hope you are on the wind up!!

Points compensation, for Liverpool

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 16 seconds ago
I think this would be a very questionable proposal that wouldn't really be able to be applied in the grounds of fairness. Even in this game with the disallowed goal happening in the 92nd minutes, there would have still been time for Everton to kick-off and score an equaliser in the 94th minute (there was another game this very weekend where there was a very late equaliser).

By awarding points or goals post-game you are effectively saying that you will make a change but that no other subsequent change would have happened. What if the Henderson goal had been disallowed in the 75th minute?

Unfortunately you will never get perfect officials. Mistakes will happen. One of the reasons I am a supporter of VAR is because it reduces the frequency and number of mistakes, but it won't eradicate them. If the VAR on Saturday didn't actually check the tackle (which I've seen reported) then it needs to be noted and more training or guidance put in place so this is unlikely to happen again.

As for the offside, my understanding is that it was a tight, but correct call in which case it would be unfair to Everton if the goal had stood. The level of consistency brought by VAR means that it is fairer for all teams because I feel confident that it would have also been ruled out if it had been another team.
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Good post mate, still feel that offsides like the mane one should not he given (for the enjoyment of the gsme) but then how do you set the bar that all decisions have to adhere to.
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I appreciate the frustration that some have. For me the bigger concern is the lack of consistency if we don't have VAR (at least for offside). I would rather have a situation where all offsides like the Mane one are disallowed than a situation from before where you could have two identical offsides in the same match and team A's goal is allowed because the linesman didn't flag, but their opposition's is disallowed because the linesman caught that one.

For me that is a much worse scenario because you are then, in effect, judging the teams to different standards and making it harder for one team to get a fair result. It isnt a fair contest, and with football already skewed by the money that some clubs have, the least we can do is make sure that the on-pitch contest is as fair as possible.
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I agree with this.

Agree Welsh has to be consistent.

We're not the only club annoyed with VAR, it just happens to be us this week and also the injury to Virg has highlighted it. It nearly always takes a major incident to see change happen.

This is what I don't get when I see rival fans going on about Liverpool and throwing toys out (besides the suggestion of getting points after a game). Any improvements yo VAR benefits everyone not just Liverpool, its mad the blinkers some folk put on.

Should add i have seen some on here say what i just did above.

comment by Cinciwolf---Finally Nuno has the squad size he wanted, thanks Jeff (U11551)
posted 35 minutes ago
I sincerely hope you are on the wind up!!

Points compensation, for Liverpool
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People like this are so god damn stupid.

OP has made it pretty obvious he's suggested it as a principal that would benefit all clubs, not Liverpool because it's too late for the last game.

Seriously read the full facking thread and have a grown up debate for once. It's comments like this which make the whole forum a moronic car crash with the intelligence levels of Arsenal Fan TV.

Welshpool fan I agree with your post.
Very fair and well put.
All teams have their frustrations, but I do believe officials do their best to make the correct call
It's a really tough job, despite what some think

comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Finally Nuno has the squad size he wanted, thanks Jeff (U11551)
posted 35 minutes ago
I sincerely hope you are on the wind up!!

Points compensation, for Liverpool
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People like this are so god damn stupid.

OP has made it pretty obvious he's suggested it as a principal that would benefit all clubs, not Liverpool because it's too late for the last game.

Seriously read the full facking thread and have a grown up debate for once. It's comments like this which make the whole forum a moronic car crash with the intelligence levels of Arsenal Fan TV.
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Yeah, shame you couldn't have these principals a year ago when other clubs were getting fecked over again and again is t it. Instead you just laughed it off.

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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 minute ago
VAR is not perfect as its 50 FPS does not allow it to accurately call offside decisions where there are a few centimetres in it.
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When I said that last season, there were loads of Liverpool fans defending it.

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Finally Nuno has the squad size he wanted, thanks Jeff (U11551)
posted 57 minutes ago
I sincerely hope you are on the wind up!!

Points compensation, for Liverpool
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Not sure what you're laughing about with Footed refereeing your match later. One of you or Leeds is about to be disgustingly facked over.
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Oh I know we will be checked over, we lost seven points last season thanks to this BS

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 minute ago
VAR is not perfect as its 50 FPS does not allow it to accurately call offside decisions where there are a few centimetres in it.
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When I said that last season, there were loads of Liverpool fans defending it.
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You know that it is possible for something to not be perfect and to still defend it as being the best option available.

In fact, arguing against something because it is not perfect is a bit of a fallacy because you could use it for any new technology or advancement and we would never progress.

VAR isn't perfect, but it is markedly better than the previous system. It provides more accurate, consistent, and fair results when it comes to offsides, and it has improved accuracy in refereeing calls.

In order to restore the legitimacy, the credibility of VAR, this same committee should be given some teeth. In addition to the prospect of retrospective punishment or reduction of the same, should they not be given the power to award or deduct points? It’s a big step, I accept, but the alternative is this constant frustrating hand-wringing, teeth-knashing, apologies all round, nothing really being done, and VAR losing even more support as it heads down the tubes.

It would be too late for our club at present, but under that option, the committee could award the offended club two points which I say we would have fully deserved.
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Nah.
Footballs fooked up enough without adding another level of b0ll0x to go through just to decide a result.

I agree that any committee that happens to review such decisions of a Monday should look at each case and award the correct decisions, be it a goal for 3 points, or a red card suspension for a tackle like Pickford's.

Unfortunately I just don't see that being practical. Clubs would be moaning about any little incident every week saying such and such event could have affected the result.

Secondly, even if they do award a 3 game suspension much like a red card for Pickford, that still doesn't change the fact that Everton played the remainder of the game with 10 men, also leaving Liverpool at a disadvantage throughout that game. So there would be no benefit to the disadvantaged team if that happened, only a hinderance to the team with the advantage in this case which is a completely separate thing altogether.

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 39 minutes ago
I agree that any committee that happens to review such decisions of a Monday should look at each case and award the correct decisions, be it a goal for 3 points, or a red card suspension for a tackle like Pickford's.

Unfortunately I just don't see that being practical. Clubs would be moaning about any little incident every week saying such and such event could have affected the result.

Secondly, even if they do award a 3 game suspension much like a red card for Pickford, that still doesn't change the fact that Everton played the remainder of the game with 10 men, also leaving Liverpool at a disadvantage throughout that game. So there would be no benefit to the disadvantaged team if that happened, only a hinderance to the team with the advantage in this case which is a completely separate thing altogether.
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are you aware that rugby has a perfectly good citing system that works reliably?

the system is intended to stamp out foul play and antics such as james as well.

for that matter robertson if the everton whataboutery types want to comment.

You'd be amazed how many rugby players still carry one though.

"Carry one" What.
You forgot to include saint Virgil and Mane in your whataboutery reference.
It's so easy to let these little things slip your memory is'nt it?
When are the Tee Shirts coming out?

Just what is it that Rugby players carry one of?
I am intrigued " more injured"

comment by U1878 SILKY BLUE (U1878)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Just what is it that Rugby players carry one of?
I am intrigued " more injured"
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So desperately intrigued you had to come back 30 minutes after your first post and comment again?