comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 46 seconds ago
But he has not developed and part of that is down to where we have been as a team
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Not developed since when?
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Since he burst into the scene.
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You can't be serious?
Rashford year on year: games/goals/assists
53/11/3
52/13/6
47/13/6
44/22/7
7/4/2
Steadily better every single season. People should be surprised if he *doesn’t* pass 30 and end up with something close to 35 goals and assists this season.
Which for a 22 year old is absolutely nothing short of spectacular.
I'm sorry but in a season with a couple of injuries, one of them for a legthy period, a 22 year old (21 at the start of last season) doesn't get 17 goals and 7 assists in the league alone without having developed at all.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 46 seconds ago
But he has not developed and part of that is down to where we have been as a team
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Not developed since when?
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Since he burst into the scene.
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Sorry but that is a bizarre statement. I mean truly bizarre
Rashford and Martial are much better at that than Greenwood. It’s why Greenwood has struggled as the cf and doesn’t actually get many good chances when he plays.
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 0 seconds ago
I'm sorry but in a season with a couple of injuries, one of them for a legthy period, a 22 year old (21 at the start of last season) doesn't get 17 goals and 7 assists in the league alone without having developed at all.
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In 31 appearances that is btw ^
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 0 seconds ago
I'm sorry but in a season with a couple of injuries, one of them for a legthy period, a 22 year old (21 at the start of last season) doesn't get 17 goals and 7 assists in the league alone without having developed at all.
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In 31 appearances that is btw ^
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From the left wing too, not CF.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rashford has definitely developed as a player.
What Rio was basically saying is that Rashford doesn’t take that direct route to goal like Mbappe does. While he may not always make the right decisions he’ll still look around for teammates.
The problem with the comparison is that Rashford doesn’t have Mbappe’s dribbling skills. That’s why Mbappe can take that direct approach to the game so regularly.
That said, Rashford has scored two goals at the Parc des Prince in the CL since the start of the 18/19 season. Same as Mbappe.
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He hardly ever looks up when running with the ball
Rashford on the break has scored some amazing looking goals but these are occasional
When he passes we some some really good play but this also is occasional
And his dribbling skill has occasionally been phenomenal. I wish I could be bothered to find the youtube clips
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 46 seconds ago
But he has not developed and part of that is down to where we have been as a team
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Not developed since when?
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Since he burst into the scene.
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Sorry but that is a bizarre statement. I mean truly bizarre
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Ok what's different about him now as when he burst on the scene?
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rashford and Martial are much better at that than Greenwood. It’s why Greenwood has struggled as the cf and doesn’t actually get many good chances when he plays.
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Or supply
But that’s just not true. It’s an area of his game he’s actually developed from where he was a few years ago. It’s one of the reasons we’re so much better on the counter attack now. He doesn’t always make the right decision, not many players do, but it’s clearly looking up when he’s on the ball and seeing where his teammates are.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rashford and Martial are much better at that than Greenwood. It’s why Greenwood has struggled as the cf and doesn’t actually get many good chances when he plays.
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Or supply
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Yeah he doesn’t supply chances either. It’s why we wanted Sancho for the right.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But that’s just not true. It’s an area of his game he’s actually developed from where he was a few years ago. It’s one of the reasons we’re so much better on the counter attack now. He doesn’t always make the right decision, not many players do, but it’s clearly looking up when he’s on the ball and seeing where his teammates are.
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Please stop. I know it's not the best evidence to give but even on match threads on here rashford not "seeing" team mates is the norm
The lad is a pace merchant and good at it but football brain? Nah
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rashford and Martial are much better at that than Greenwood. It’s why Greenwood has struggled as the cf and doesn’t actually get many good chances when he plays.
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Or supply
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Yeah he doesn’t supply chances either. It’s why we wanted Sancho for the right.
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I see what you did there.
Yes a somewhat negative article in a sea of dopamine.
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This sentence went unnoticed... You seem somewhat miffed that most on here are enjoying the win. It's kind of odd, even for you.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 46 seconds ago
But he has not developed and part of that is down to where we have been as a team
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Not developed since when?
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Since he burst into the scene.
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Sorry but that is a bizarre statement. I mean truly bizarre
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Ok what's different about him now as when he burst on the scene?
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Every single aspect of his game his better, bar maybe finishing.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But that’s just not true. It’s an area of his game he’s actually developed from where he was a few years ago. It’s one of the reasons we’re so much better on the counter attack now. He doesn’t always make the right decision, not many players do, but it’s clearly looking up when he’s on the ball and seeing where his teammates are.
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Please stop. I know it's not the best evidence to give but even on match threads on here rashford not "seeing" team mates is the norm
The lad is a pace merchant and good at it but football brain? Nah
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Anyone can tell Rashford is not a pace merchant. He has a good strike on him, skillful and improving his game all the time. The lad is 22 which is still nowhere near his peak. Yes he can be frustrating at times but you always get that with youngsters.
The lad is a pace merchant and good at it but football brain? Nah
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Someone with no football brain doesn't assist Bruno in the way Rashy did on Saturday. Some of his assists are excellent. His football brain is good, sometimes his execution lets him down, as expected of a 22 year old.
Yes and they have a habit of talking ballacks. Nobody is saying Rashford is a supremely intelligently player, but the idea he doesn’t look up is just bullshiiiit.
On Greenwood you cannot be putting that issue down to supply? Without getting all Hafi, there’s a reason Greenwood’s expected goals is so low, he’s not getting into the positions to score easy chances. His goals are incredibly difficult ones that he’s making or taking as he’s coming inside to the ball, not finding space off it.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
Yes and they have a habit of talking ballacks. Nobody is saying Rashford is a supremely intelligently player, but the idea he doesn’t look up is just bullshiiiit.
On Greenwood you cannot be putting that issue down to supply? Without getting all Hafi, there’s a reason Greenwood’s expected goals is so low, he’s not getting into the positions to score easy chances. His goals are incredibly difficult ones that he’s making or taking as he’s coming inside to the ball, not finding space off it.
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Can't agree with all of that. Greenwood is having to take and make those goals as we simply don't seem to want to pass in the final third.
I've seen likes of martial and greenwood make space or a run simply to be left frustrated.
Even against psg I saw telles make a pass on the left then spring back and into space for an easy return only to see the ball lost as instead of making a simple pass the guy tried to take in a couple of players.
Or when Bruno didn't find martial and the ball fell to rashy who shot into oncoming players rather than make a simple pass to martial
Not that martial was much better he kept running into players and falling looking for fouls
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Battling the ener... (U2958)
posted 19 minutes ago
The lad is a pace merchant and good at it but football brain? Nah
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Someone with no football brain doesn't assist Bruno in the way Rashy did on Saturday. Some of his assists are excellent. His football brain is good, sometimes his execution lets him down, as expected of a 22 year old.
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Suppose it's how you look at things. The one good pass he did on Saturday or the week in week out stuff
The thing to be careful about is that a great victory over a big club is seen as a turn around at the club.
It may well be, however playing and beating the bigger clubs hasn't been oles problem.
Getting 3 wins against City got us 66 points and no trophies.
We need to see how we fair against the crystal palaces etc to see if we have turned a corner
But those isolated incidents don’t explain why Greenwood doesn’t find himself in positions to get easy chances whereas others do.
Rashford and Martial do need to improve this area of their game, but they’re much better at it than Greenwood. I don’t know how anyone can have watched all three and think Greenwood’s the one that shows the most promise in this area. It’s why those two miss more chances and score more goals, despite being less clinical finishers.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But those isolated incidents don’t explain why Greenwood doesn’t find himself in positions to get easy chances whereas others do.
Rashford and Martial do need to improve this area of their game, but they’re much better at it than Greenwood. I don’t know how anyone can have watched all three and think Greenwood’s the one that shows the most promise in this area. It’s why those two miss more chances and score more goals, despite being less clinical finishers.
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Who gets into position to score easy chances?
Martial and Rashford. They need to do more, but compared to Greenwood they’re far better at it. But to compare big chances missed, Martial missed 10 in the league last year, which was the same as Auba, and Rashford missed 13, which was one more than Aguero and two fewer than Salah. Greenwood missed two.
He didn’t play as much, but the stats back up the eyes. He struggles to get into positions to take good chances compared to Rashford and Martial. It’s to be expected, of course, they’re more polished footballers.
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posted on 21/10/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 46 seconds ago
But he has not developed and part of that is down to where we have been as a team
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Not developed since when?
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Since he burst into the scene.
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You can't be serious?
posted on 21/10/20
Rashford year on year: games/goals/assists
53/11/3
52/13/6
47/13/6
44/22/7
7/4/2
Steadily better every single season. People should be surprised if he *doesn’t* pass 30 and end up with something close to 35 goals and assists this season.
Which for a 22 year old is absolutely nothing short of spectacular.
posted on 21/10/20
I'm sorry but in a season with a couple of injuries, one of them for a legthy period, a 22 year old (21 at the start of last season) doesn't get 17 goals and 7 assists in the league alone without having developed at all.
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 46 seconds ago
But he has not developed and part of that is down to where we have been as a team
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Not developed since when?
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Since he burst into the scene.
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Sorry but that is a bizarre statement. I mean truly bizarre
posted on 21/10/20
Rashford and Martial are much better at that than Greenwood. It’s why Greenwood has struggled as the cf and doesn’t actually get many good chances when he plays.
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 0 seconds ago
I'm sorry but in a season with a couple of injuries, one of them for a legthy period, a 22 year old (21 at the start of last season) doesn't get 17 goals and 7 assists in the league alone without having developed at all.
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In 31 appearances that is btw ^
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 0 seconds ago
I'm sorry but in a season with a couple of injuries, one of them for a legthy period, a 22 year old (21 at the start of last season) doesn't get 17 goals and 7 assists in the league alone without having developed at all.
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In 31 appearances that is btw ^
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From the left wing too, not CF.
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rashford has definitely developed as a player.
What Rio was basically saying is that Rashford doesn’t take that direct route to goal like Mbappe does. While he may not always make the right decisions he’ll still look around for teammates.
The problem with the comparison is that Rashford doesn’t have Mbappe’s dribbling skills. That’s why Mbappe can take that direct approach to the game so regularly.
That said, Rashford has scored two goals at the Parc des Prince in the CL since the start of the 18/19 season. Same as Mbappe.
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He hardly ever looks up when running with the ball
Rashford on the break has scored some amazing looking goals but these are occasional
When he passes we some some really good play but this also is occasional
And his dribbling skill has occasionally been phenomenal. I wish I could be bothered to find the youtube clips
posted on 21/10/20
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 46 seconds ago
But he has not developed and part of that is down to where we have been as a team
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Not developed since when?
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Since he burst into the scene.
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Sorry but that is a bizarre statement. I mean truly bizarre
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Ok what's different about him now as when he burst on the scene?
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rashford and Martial are much better at that than Greenwood. It’s why Greenwood has struggled as the cf and doesn’t actually get many good chances when he plays.
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Or supply
posted on 21/10/20
But that’s just not true. It’s an area of his game he’s actually developed from where he was a few years ago. It’s one of the reasons we’re so much better on the counter attack now. He doesn’t always make the right decision, not many players do, but it’s clearly looking up when he’s on the ball and seeing where his teammates are.
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rashford and Martial are much better at that than Greenwood. It’s why Greenwood has struggled as the cf and doesn’t actually get many good chances when he plays.
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Or supply
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Yeah he doesn’t supply chances either. It’s why we wanted Sancho for the right.
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But that’s just not true. It’s an area of his game he’s actually developed from where he was a few years ago. It’s one of the reasons we’re so much better on the counter attack now. He doesn’t always make the right decision, not many players do, but it’s clearly looking up when he’s on the ball and seeing where his teammates are.
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Please stop. I know it's not the best evidence to give but even on match threads on here rashford not "seeing" team mates is the norm
The lad is a pace merchant and good at it but football brain? Nah
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rashford and Martial are much better at that than Greenwood. It’s why Greenwood has struggled as the cf and doesn’t actually get many good chances when he plays.
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Or supply
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Yeah he doesn’t supply chances either. It’s why we wanted Sancho for the right.
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I see what you did there.
posted on 21/10/20
Yes a somewhat negative article in a sea of dopamine.
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This sentence went unnoticed... You seem somewhat miffed that most on here are enjoying the win. It's kind of odd, even for you.
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 46 seconds ago
But he has not developed and part of that is down to where we have been as a team
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Not developed since when?
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Since he burst into the scene.
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Sorry but that is a bizarre statement. I mean truly bizarre
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Ok what's different about him now as when he burst on the scene?
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Every single aspect of his game his better, bar maybe finishing.
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But that’s just not true. It’s an area of his game he’s actually developed from where he was a few years ago. It’s one of the reasons we’re so much better on the counter attack now. He doesn’t always make the right decision, not many players do, but it’s clearly looking up when he’s on the ball and seeing where his teammates are.
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Please stop. I know it's not the best evidence to give but even on match threads on here rashford not "seeing" team mates is the norm
The lad is a pace merchant and good at it but football brain? Nah
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Anyone can tell Rashford is not a pace merchant. He has a good strike on him, skillful and improving his game all the time. The lad is 22 which is still nowhere near his peak. Yes he can be frustrating at times but you always get that with youngsters.
posted on 21/10/20
The lad is a pace merchant and good at it but football brain? Nah
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Someone with no football brain doesn't assist Bruno in the way Rashy did on Saturday. Some of his assists are excellent. His football brain is good, sometimes his execution lets him down, as expected of a 22 year old.
posted on 21/10/20
Yes and they have a habit of talking ballacks. Nobody is saying Rashford is a supremely intelligently player, but the idea he doesn’t look up is just bullshiiiit.
On Greenwood you cannot be putting that issue down to supply? Without getting all Hafi, there’s a reason Greenwood’s expected goals is so low, he’s not getting into the positions to score easy chances. His goals are incredibly difficult ones that he’s making or taking as he’s coming inside to the ball, not finding space off it.
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
Yes and they have a habit of talking ballacks. Nobody is saying Rashford is a supremely intelligently player, but the idea he doesn’t look up is just bullshiiiit.
On Greenwood you cannot be putting that issue down to supply? Without getting all Hafi, there’s a reason Greenwood’s expected goals is so low, he’s not getting into the positions to score easy chances. His goals are incredibly difficult ones that he’s making or taking as he’s coming inside to the ball, not finding space off it.
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Can't agree with all of that. Greenwood is having to take and make those goals as we simply don't seem to want to pass in the final third.
I've seen likes of martial and greenwood make space or a run simply to be left frustrated.
Even against psg I saw telles make a pass on the left then spring back and into space for an easy return only to see the ball lost as instead of making a simple pass the guy tried to take in a couple of players.
Or when Bruno didn't find martial and the ball fell to rashy who shot into oncoming players rather than make a simple pass to martial
Not that martial was much better he kept running into players and falling looking for fouls
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Battling the ener... (U2958)
posted 19 minutes ago
The lad is a pace merchant and good at it but football brain? Nah
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Someone with no football brain doesn't assist Bruno in the way Rashy did on Saturday. Some of his assists are excellent. His football brain is good, sometimes his execution lets him down, as expected of a 22 year old.
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Suppose it's how you look at things. The one good pass he did on Saturday or the week in week out stuff
posted on 21/10/20
The thing to be careful about is that a great victory over a big club is seen as a turn around at the club.
It may well be, however playing and beating the bigger clubs hasn't been oles problem.
Getting 3 wins against City got us 66 points and no trophies.
We need to see how we fair against the crystal palaces etc to see if we have turned a corner
posted on 21/10/20
But those isolated incidents don’t explain why Greenwood doesn’t find himself in positions to get easy chances whereas others do.
Rashford and Martial do need to improve this area of their game, but they’re much better at it than Greenwood. I don’t know how anyone can have watched all three and think Greenwood’s the one that shows the most promise in this area. It’s why those two miss more chances and score more goals, despite being less clinical finishers.
posted on 21/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But those isolated incidents don’t explain why Greenwood doesn’t find himself in positions to get easy chances whereas others do.
Rashford and Martial do need to improve this area of their game, but they’re much better at it than Greenwood. I don’t know how anyone can have watched all three and think Greenwood’s the one that shows the most promise in this area. It’s why those two miss more chances and score more goals, despite being less clinical finishers.
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Who gets into position to score easy chances?
posted on 21/10/20
Martial and Rashford. They need to do more, but compared to Greenwood they’re far better at it. But to compare big chances missed, Martial missed 10 in the league last year, which was the same as Auba, and Rashford missed 13, which was one more than Aguero and two fewer than Salah. Greenwood missed two.
He didn’t play as much, but the stats back up the eyes. He struggles to get into positions to take good chances compared to Rashford and Martial. It’s to be expected, of course, they’re more polished footballers.
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