comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
we should all just fack london off
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It's not about facking off London, it's about doing what's right for Scots, the Welsh, the English, the Irish and the electorate holding their respective governments to account.

London as a city disproportionately generates enough GDP per capita to be a mini powerful state, take London out and the rest of England is no better than like an eastern European country. England needs London.
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That’s bollox.

The tax cheques for our biggest companies are signed in London but most of the revenue they generate is spread out across the UK and beyond

BP being a great exa
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It's not bollox, it's the truth. Take London out and you are left with an economically depressed European country.

London is one of the world's leading financial hubs.
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Yes but it feeds off the rest of the UK. They're not actually making anything there.

thats because everything was put into london, it didnt do it by itself

comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 7 minutes ago
Economic power tends to lead to political control unfortunately, reason why London always seems get favoured over other regions.

Manchester and Birmingham aside, and they are a long distance away from London in economic terms, no other northern region contributes anything near as worthy. It's in England's interest to bridge this gap by creating northern economic power houses.

The same is the case for the likes of Wales and Scotland too. It's a difficult one.
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london is a third of Englands 2.5 trillion usd gdp. its a big part of it sure but its not the majority.

comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 31 seconds ago
thats because everything was put into london, it didnt do it by itself
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yeah itd lose a lot if it stopped being able to cherry pick.

I'm all for it as long as you let me have citizenship and allow me a small parcel of land in the gower.

comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
we should all just fack london off
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It's not about facking off London, it's about doing what's right for Scots, the Welsh, the English, the Irish and the electorate holding their respective governments to account.

London as a city disproportionately generates enough GDP per capita to be a mini powerful state, take London out and the rest of England is no better than like an eastern European country. England needs London.
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That’s bollox.

The tax cheques for our biggest companies are signed in London but most of the revenue they generate is spread out across the UK and beyond

BP being a great exa
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It's not bollox, it's the truth. Take London out and you are left with an economically depressed European country.

London is one of the world's leading financial hubs.
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Yes but it feeds off the rest of the UK. They're not actually making anything there.
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You are thinking manufacturing. It's a leader in finances and the service sector. Look at the number of FTSE 100 companies located in the capital.

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 7 minutes ago
Economic power tends to lead to political control unfortunately, reason why London always seems get favoured over other regions.

Manchester and Birmingham aside, and they are a long distance away from London in economic terms, no other northern region contributes anything near as worthy. It's in England's interest to bridge this gap by creating northern economic power houses.

The same is the case for the likes of Wales and Scotland too. It's a difficult one.
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london is a third of Englands 2.5 trillion usd gdp. its a big part of it sure but its not the majority.
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Big none the less

again, how much is that because london is favoured? they put themselves first thats clear to everyone ofc its going to be the best. take that away and london will get weaker the rest of the uk will get stronger naturally.

Good been tying to get rid of Wales for years!!!

just kidding, would like them to stay, but whatever they feel is best for them (without looking in any detail at all)

comment by Ole-dirty-baztard - Poch In.......................the job centre (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
Good been tying to get rid of Wales for years!!!

just kidding, would like them to stay, but whatever they feel is best for them(without looking in any detail at all)

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We won't be moving!

I see the prospect of Welsh independence much the same way I see the prospect of Scottish independence - it'd be a great shame and I wouldn't want it to happen because I very much believe the UK and its attitudes are a force for good in the world. i.e. I think the world is a better, more prosperous and more stable place for having the UK in it.

However, for you as an individual if you're committed to Welsh independence as a Welsh person then that's your choice and your right. It's a question of identity, which tends to get a bad rap but I believe is important to people. Personally I'm happy to class myself as both English and British, meaning different things. But if you feel that you don't have your identity without independence then you have to do what you must. And even if it means a degree of economic struggle, that's still the choice that you make.

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 15 seconds ago
again, how much is that because london is favoured? they put themselves first thats clear to everyone ofc its going to be the best. take that away and london will get weaker the rest of the uk will get stronger naturally.
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History, prestige of pound sterling, London's geographical location relative to Europe, London's prestige, its economic pull, its attractiveness to wealthy investors, London's prestige to the world etc are some of the reasons why it will always remain ahead the rest of England and the UK.

Bridging the economic gap between north and south is a must for individual prosperity and the general wealth of the nation. We are currently what, the 6th leading economy in the world, imagine if the north contributed significantly to catapult us to 5 or even 4th!

I'm not someone of nationalist persuasion but I do think that it's better for local people / regions to get to decide for themselves matters that only affect their area. The UK is one of the most centralised of all developed countries. For instance, Scotland's government (which has a lot more autonomy than Wales's) has considerably less power than Germany's regional governments.

If the Welsh people want full independence, that's fine by me. In the meantime, I'd like to see a radical devolution of power from Westminster to Scotland, Wales and the individual English regions. One of the reasons elected mayors and devolved governments are performing better than the UK government in this current crisis is that they are more closely accountable to the people who elect them. (The other reason is that Johnson's government is the most corrupt, cynical and incompetent in living memory.)

The other reason is that Johnson's government is the most corrupt, cynical and incompetent in living memory.)

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What do you expect from a right wing Tory government!

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm not someone of nationalist persuasion but I do think that it's better for local people / regions to get to decide for themselves matters that only affect their area. The UK is one of the most centralised of all developed countries. For instance, Scotland's government (which has a lot more autonomy than Wales's) has considerably less power than Germany's regional governments.

If the Welsh people want full independence, that's fine by me. In the meantime, I'd like to see a radical devolution of power from Westminster to Scotland, Wales and the individual English regions. One of the reasons elected mayors and devolved governments are performing better than the UK government in this current crisis is that they are more closely accountable to the people who elect them. (The other reason is that Johnson's government is the most corrupt, cynical and incompetent in living memory.)
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Agree with this.

The irreversible wheels are set in motion for the destruction of the UK. (Something Hitler and Napoleon couldn't manage), from within. (Which is of course anarchy). English Welsh and Scottish nationalism prevails in all corners of our country which makes it's governance almost impossible as a single nation. The fiasco over Covid policy is a prime example as there is no longer any political will for cooperation anymore. The consequences of an independent, little England and a little Scotland and even a littler Wales, outside of the EU, would be catastrophic for all of us. What has made Britain Great since the start of the 18th Century is the fact that we have been a United Kingdom.

And you would be a fool to think otherwise.

comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
The irreversible wheels are set in motion for the destruction of the UK. (Something Hitler and Napoleon couldn't manage), from within. (Which is of course anarchy). English Welsh and Scottish nationalism prevails in all corners of our country which makes it's governance almost impossible as a single nation. The fiasco over Covid policy is a prime example as there is no longer any political will for cooperation anymore. The consequences of an independent, little England and a little Scotland and even a littler Wales, outside of the EU, would be catastrophic for all of us. What has made Britain Great since the start of the 18th Century is the fact that we have been a United Kingdom.

And you would be a fool to think otherwise.
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this is true

but it's lost on many people

comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
The irreversible wheels are set in motion for the destruction of the UK. (Something Hitler and Napoleon couldn't manage), from within. (Which is of course anarchy). English Welsh and Scottish nationalism prevails in all corners of our country which makes it's governance almost impossible as a single nation. The fiasco over Covid policy is a prime example as there is no longer any political will for cooperation anymore. The consequences of an independent, little England and a little Scotland and even a littler Wales, outside of the EU, would be catastrophic for all of us. What has made Britain Great since the start of the 18th Century is the fact that we have been a United Kingdom.

And you would be a fool to think otherwise.
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The issue here is UK is mainly associated with England and London. Power and decision making is centralised to West Minister.

Scots, Welsh and Irish deserve the right to control their own country, they should not have to rely on England and London in particular.

What you outlined is outdated in the 21st Century.

There is way too many big words for me in this article

but it's lost on many people
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Thats the problem with British people. The plot in last weeks episodes of Emmerdale Farm are lost on most people in this country.

We are as a nation, Thick.

The Irish do control their own country.

Well, all of it except the bit the British rule.

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 11 minutes ago
I see the prospect of Welsh independence much the same way I see the prospect of Scottish independence - it'd be a great shame and I wouldn't want it to happen because I very much believe the UK and its attitudes are a force for good in the world. i.e. I think the world is a better, more prosperous and more stable place for having the UK in it.

However, for you as an individual if you're committed to Welsh independence as a Welsh person then that's your choice and your right. It's a question of identity, which tends to get a bad rap but I believe is important to people. Personally I'm happy to class myself as both English and British, meaning different things. But if you feel that you don't have your identity without independence then you have to do what you must. And even if it means a degree of economic struggle, that's still the choice that you make.
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I don't feel British to be honest but feel very Welsh. It's probably easier to feel British if you're English as it's pretty much interchangable IMO.

Don't get me wrong there's a lot to admire about English history, culture and heritage but I don't feel I belong in it.

Red Russian - I agree with your assessment there. The truth is that in Wales we've never voted for a Tory UK Government but we've had it for most of my 43 years and and more. Due to the very nature of the size of populations what England (Westminster) wants is what it gets.

I think this week Manchester has experienced something on small scale to what we have to endure in Wales in terms of being dictated to by a larger body.

RB&W I broadly agree with you most of the time but I don't on this one. The countries could of course still continue to work together (we'd still be neighbours) but the smaller countries wouldn't be dictated to by Westminster.

I don't know if many people are aware of the history but the flooding of Capel Celyn is an interesting insight into how many people feel in Wales.

comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 8 seconds ago
but it's lost on many people
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Thats the problem with British people. The plot in last weeks episodes of Emmerdale Farm are lost on most people in this country.

We are as a nation, Thick.
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if were so thick how come we won brexit and you lost we took are country back we cant be that stupid

Power and decision making is centralised to West Minister.
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No 5hit.

Thats what I mean that the UK is intent of destructing itself.

comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 4 seconds ago
The Irish do control their own country.

Well, all of it except the bit the British rule.
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🤣

What were you saying about being thick?!

No one is referring to Rep of Ireland when it comes to the UK