Neville was wrong about Pogba but if you don't think he is a great pundit then you know sweet fa about football. His general insight, delivery and knowledge of all things football by and large is superb
Neville was made to look silly by Carragher last night in that debate but usually he is very good.
I think even calling him a great talent is rather generous. A flashy player with plenty of ability but performances are consistently underwhelming.
The whole is pogba great or good thing is such a pointless excersise in semantics
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
Neville was wrong about Pogba but if you don't think he is a great pundit then you know sweet fa about football. His general insight, delivery and knowledge of all things football by and large is superb
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I must know sweet fa then. Because the majority of other ex footballers seem far more knowledgeable than Neville to me. Murphy, Carragher, Souness, Lampard when he commentated etc.
Go watch when Carragher and Neville had a competition about who knows more about football. Gary Neville seemed like he could barely remember his own name.
I like him tbf, think he has good points and isn’t afraid to speak his mind.
However I disagreed with him massively here. The first point was his reference to kdb not being great before pep which is nonsense, he was unreal at wolfsburg and before pep.
As for the France and juve comments, does anyone in the world think juve and France wouldn’t have won what they did without pogba?
He was probably the 7th or 8th best player for France in the World Cup, and juventus had pirlo, marchisio and Vidal in midfield in a one team league.
As for the France and juve comments, does anyone in the world think juve and France wouldn’t have won what they did without pogba?
He was probably the 7th or 8th best player for France in the World Cup, and juventus had pirlo, marchisio and Vidal in midfield in a one team league.
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Juve done a number on United.
Imagine not trusting Fergie's judgement on him.
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
Neville was wrong about Pogba but if you don't think he is a great pundit then you know sweet fa about football. His general insight, delivery and knowledge of all things football by and large is superb
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I must know sweet fa then. Because the majority of other ex footballers seem far more knowledgeable than Neville to me. Murphy, Carragher, Souness, Lampard when he commentated etc.
Go watch when Carragher and Neville had a competition about who knows more about football. Gary Neville seemed like he could barely remember his own name.
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If your comments on manusince52's thread about Rashford are anything to go by then you are doing a fine job at proving you don't know a great deal about football.
Christ, sometimes the United board reminds me of that scene in being john malkovich when malkovich goes inside his own head...pogba pogba, pogba, pogba pogba pogba.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like him tbf, think he has good points and isn’t afraid to speak his mind.
However I disagreed with him massively here. The first point was his reference to kdb not being great before pep which is nonsense, he was unreal at wolfsburg and before pep.
As for the France and juve comments, does anyone in the world think juve and France wouldn’t have won what they did without pogba?
He was probably the 7th or 8th best player for France in the World Cup, and juventus had pirlo, marchisio and Vidal in midfield in a one team league.
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It was a while ago now but I feel like pogba was definitely one of their 5 or so best players
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 16 minutes ago
Neville was wrong about Pogba but if you don't think he is a great pundit then you know sweet fa about football. His general insight, delivery and knowledge of all things football by and large is superb
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Complete rubbish. Neville’s analysis is usually very simplistic and dumbed down to appease to the masses.
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posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
Neville was wrong about Pogba but if you don't think he is a great pundit then you know sweet fa about football. His general insight, delivery and knowledge of all things football by and large is superb
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I must know sweet fa then. Because the majority of other ex footballers seem far more knowledgeable than Neville to me. Murphy, Carragher, Souness, Lampard when he commentated etc.
Go watch when Carragher and Neville had a competition about who knows more about football. Gary Neville seemed like he could barely remember his own name.
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If your comments on manusince52's thread about Rashford are anything to go by then you are doing a fine job at proving you don't know a great deal about football.
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I don't rate Rashford as being good enough for a team wanting hoping to compete for titles. Just my opinion. But then I don't get call the best analyst on tv.
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It was a while ago now but I feel like pogba was definitely one of their 5 or so best players
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you can safely assume that anyone making comments like that barely saw half a dozen juve games during pogba's time at the club .
Him and Carra are class. Really enjoyed their show last night.
Think Neville's analysis is worst when it's United. He speaks more like a fan when it's about them. Generally though, they both have great knowledge and are very interesting.
Football expertise is by and large a question of opinions, and as such Gary has a very good sets of them.
I find Carragher harder to fathom. He will not admit to something unless cornered. Let's say United outplay Liverpool, he will not admit to it unless he's forced by other panel members. Whereas if United were outplayed by Liverpool, Gary would come out and slate United and admit to Liverpool being better without being prompted.
I'd rather listen to Gary personally
I have no time for Pogba, but what Neville said is bang on. There is no way you can say to me a player part of that Juventus side and the French side that won the World cup is not a great player.
For us, he has failed so far. This failure is not just down to him though
Neville is without a doubt the best pundit on TV and when it's not United related, he's brilliant.
When he's criticised United, I think as fans, we appreciate his brilliance, while I accept those that don't have an emotional connection to the club, may see it as making excuses. The whole Souness thing over the striker, I couldn't get my head round what Souness struggled to understand, but that may come down to he doesn't see United the way we do.
In terms of last night, he definitely has some blinkers on since Ole has arrived.
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
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It was a while ago now but I feel like pogba was definitely one of their 5 or so best players
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you can safely assume that anyone making comments like that barely saw half a dozen juve games during pogba's time at the club .
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I watched plenty of Juve during Pogba's time there and he was absolutely brilliant. One of the best players in the team. The pace of the league, the shape of the Juve side and the team-mates obviously helped but he was fantastic.
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posted 1 minute ago
I have no time for Pogba, but what Neville said is bang on. There is no way you can say to me a player part of that Juventus side and the French side that won the World cup is not a great player.
For us, he has failed so far. This failure is not just down to him though
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A small cog for each of those though lets be honest.
As has been said both those teams would have had no problems without him being there.
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like him tbf, think he has good points and isn’t afraid to speak his mind.
However I disagreed with him massively here. The first point was his reference to kdb not being great before pep which is nonsense, he was unreal at wolfsburg and before pep.
As for the France and juve comments, does anyone in the world think juve and France wouldn’t have won what they did without pogba?
He was probably the 7th or 8th best player for France in the World Cup, and juventus had pirlo, marchisio and Vidal in midfield in a one team league.
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It was a while ago now but I feel like pogba was definitely one of their 5 or so best players
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I remember mbappe, varane, Pavard, kante being outstanding, umtiti, lloris and giroud despite not scoring we’re also good, pogba was decent enough but not a standout and they would have won it without him. Griezmann was awful
Giroud started for France in that WC, doesn’t mean he’s great. It’s pretty stupid logic that has little bearing on how good a player is.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have no time for Pogba, but what Neville said is bang on. There is no way you can say to me a player part of that Juventus side and the French side that won the World cup is not a great player.
For us, he has failed so far. This failure is not just down to him though
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I always thought that the reason Pogba never showed his level was because we didn't have quality around him.
That had changed quite dramatically once I saw Fernandes' impact on the team.
For me now, I think Pogba is a great player, however you need quality around him. He's not the player to bring the best out of others, the way Fernandes has.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like him tbf, think he has good points and isn’t afraid to speak his mind.
However I disagreed with him massively here. The first point was his reference to kdb not being great before pep which is nonsense, he was unreal at wolfsburg and before pep.
As for the France and juve comments, does anyone in the world think juve and France wouldn’t have won what they did without pogba?
He was probably the 7th or 8th best player for France in the World Cup, and juventus had pirlo, marchisio and Vidal in midfield in a one team league.
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It was a while ago now but I feel like pogba was definitely one of their 5 or so best players
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I remember mbappe, varane, Pavard, kante being outstanding, umtiti, lloris and giroud despite not scoring we’re also good, pogba was decent enough but not a standout and they would have won it without him. Griezmann was awful
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Pogba did not have a particularly good world cup. IMO largely due to playing in a 2 man midfield similar to how he's mostly operated for United in the last 18 months.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
I have no time for Pogba, but what Neville said is bang on. There is no way you can say to me a player part of that Juventus side and the French side that won the World cup is not a great player.
For us, he has failed so far. This failure is not just down to him though
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A small cog for each of those though lets be honest.
As has been said both those teams would have had no problems without him being there.
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This is speculation and we would never know. What we do know is that he was there. He was not just there based on being a clown, he was in both squads because he is a bloody good player. We paid top dollar for him because he is a good player.
For me, he should have gone this summer. I have no doubt he can look like a world class player week in and week out in another league. I also believe he may never be for us what we all thought we were getting when we bought him.
Don’t think juve ever recovered from him leaving too...oh wait they won every year since? Lol not saying he’s a bad player but teams don’t seem affected whether he plays or not
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I watched plenty of Juve during Pogba's time there and he was absolutely brilliant. One of the best players in the team. The pace of the league, the shape of the Juve side and the team-mates obviously helped but he was fantastic.
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nice to hear an informed voice of reason.
there is a bizarre rewriting of history where pogba is relegated to the role of flash harry at juve, whilst the real stars of the midfield were other players.
and that is simply not supported by any of the evidence - go and look at the serie A teams of the year for instance during his time there, or annual pools like the guardian top 100 footballers. yet some on here love to trot it out as fact.
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posted on 27/10/20
Neville was wrong about Pogba but if you don't think he is a great pundit then you know sweet fa about football. His general insight, delivery and knowledge of all things football by and large is superb
posted on 27/10/20
Neville was made to look silly by Carragher last night in that debate but usually he is very good.
I think even calling him a great talent is rather generous. A flashy player with plenty of ability but performances are consistently underwhelming.
posted on 27/10/20
The whole is pogba great or good thing is such a pointless excersise in semantics
posted on 27/10/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
Neville was wrong about Pogba but if you don't think he is a great pundit then you know sweet fa about football. His general insight, delivery and knowledge of all things football by and large is superb
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I must know sweet fa then. Because the majority of other ex footballers seem far more knowledgeable than Neville to me. Murphy, Carragher, Souness, Lampard when he commentated etc.
Go watch when Carragher and Neville had a competition about who knows more about football. Gary Neville seemed like he could barely remember his own name.
posted on 27/10/20
I like him tbf, think he has good points and isn’t afraid to speak his mind.
However I disagreed with him massively here. The first point was his reference to kdb not being great before pep which is nonsense, he was unreal at wolfsburg and before pep.
As for the France and juve comments, does anyone in the world think juve and France wouldn’t have won what they did without pogba?
He was probably the 7th or 8th best player for France in the World Cup, and juventus had pirlo, marchisio and Vidal in midfield in a one team league.
posted on 27/10/20
As for the France and juve comments, does anyone in the world think juve and France wouldn’t have won what they did without pogba?
He was probably the 7th or 8th best player for France in the World Cup, and juventus had pirlo, marchisio and Vidal in midfield in a one team league.
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Juve done a number on United.
Imagine not trusting Fergie's judgement on him.
posted on 27/10/20
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
Neville was wrong about Pogba but if you don't think he is a great pundit then you know sweet fa about football. His general insight, delivery and knowledge of all things football by and large is superb
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I must know sweet fa then. Because the majority of other ex footballers seem far more knowledgeable than Neville to me. Murphy, Carragher, Souness, Lampard when he commentated etc.
Go watch when Carragher and Neville had a competition about who knows more about football. Gary Neville seemed like he could barely remember his own name.
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If your comments on manusince52's thread about Rashford are anything to go by then you are doing a fine job at proving you don't know a great deal about football.
posted on 27/10/20
Christ, sometimes the United board reminds me of that scene in being john malkovich when malkovich goes inside his own head...pogba pogba, pogba, pogba pogba pogba.
posted on 27/10/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like him tbf, think he has good points and isn’t afraid to speak his mind.
However I disagreed with him massively here. The first point was his reference to kdb not being great before pep which is nonsense, he was unreal at wolfsburg and before pep.
As for the France and juve comments, does anyone in the world think juve and France wouldn’t have won what they did without pogba?
He was probably the 7th or 8th best player for France in the World Cup, and juventus had pirlo, marchisio and Vidal in midfield in a one team league.
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It was a while ago now but I feel like pogba was definitely one of their 5 or so best players
posted on 27/10/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 16 minutes ago
Neville was wrong about Pogba but if you don't think he is a great pundit then you know sweet fa about football. His general insight, delivery and knowledge of all things football by and large is superb
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Complete rubbish. Neville’s analysis is usually very simplistic and dumbed down to appease to the masses.
posted on 27/10/20
comment by Dunne was under Unger and I was over Dunne (U6037)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
Neville was wrong about Pogba but if you don't think he is a great pundit then you know sweet fa about football. His general insight, delivery and knowledge of all things football by and large is superb
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I must know sweet fa then. Because the majority of other ex footballers seem far more knowledgeable than Neville to me. Murphy, Carragher, Souness, Lampard when he commentated etc.
Go watch when Carragher and Neville had a competition about who knows more about football. Gary Neville seemed like he could barely remember his own name.
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If your comments on manusince52's thread about Rashford are anything to go by then you are doing a fine job at proving you don't know a great deal about football.
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I don't rate Rashford as being good enough for a team wanting hoping to compete for titles. Just my opinion. But then I don't get call the best analyst on tv.
posted on 27/10/20
comment by Christopher (U20930)
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It was a while ago now but I feel like pogba was definitely one of their 5 or so best players
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you can safely assume that anyone making comments like that barely saw half a dozen juve games during pogba's time at the club .
posted on 27/10/20
Him and Carra are class. Really enjoyed their show last night.
Think Neville's analysis is worst when it's United. He speaks more like a fan when it's about them. Generally though, they both have great knowledge and are very interesting.
posted on 27/10/20
Football expertise is by and large a question of opinions, and as such Gary has a very good sets of them.
I find Carragher harder to fathom. He will not admit to something unless cornered. Let's say United outplay Liverpool, he will not admit to it unless he's forced by other panel members. Whereas if United were outplayed by Liverpool, Gary would come out and slate United and admit to Liverpool being better without being prompted.
I'd rather listen to Gary personally
posted on 27/10/20
I have no time for Pogba, but what Neville said is bang on. There is no way you can say to me a player part of that Juventus side and the French side that won the World cup is not a great player.
For us, he has failed so far. This failure is not just down to him though
posted on 27/10/20
Neville is without a doubt the best pundit on TV and when it's not United related, he's brilliant.
When he's criticised United, I think as fans, we appreciate his brilliance, while I accept those that don't have an emotional connection to the club, may see it as making excuses. The whole Souness thing over the striker, I couldn't get my head round what Souness struggled to understand, but that may come down to he doesn't see United the way we do.
In terms of last night, he definitely has some blinkers on since Ole has arrived.
posted on 27/10/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
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It was a while ago now but I feel like pogba was definitely one of their 5 or so best players
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you can safely assume that anyone making comments like that barely saw half a dozen juve games during pogba's time at the club .
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I watched plenty of Juve during Pogba's time there and he was absolutely brilliant. One of the best players in the team. The pace of the league, the shape of the Juve side and the team-mates obviously helped but he was fantastic.
posted on 27/10/20
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
I have no time for Pogba, but what Neville said is bang on. There is no way you can say to me a player part of that Juventus side and the French side that won the World cup is not a great player.
For us, he has failed so far. This failure is not just down to him though
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A small cog for each of those though lets be honest.
As has been said both those teams would have had no problems without him being there.
posted on 27/10/20
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like him tbf, think he has good points and isn’t afraid to speak his mind.
However I disagreed with him massively here. The first point was his reference to kdb not being great before pep which is nonsense, he was unreal at wolfsburg and before pep.
As for the France and juve comments, does anyone in the world think juve and France wouldn’t have won what they did without pogba?
He was probably the 7th or 8th best player for France in the World Cup, and juventus had pirlo, marchisio and Vidal in midfield in a one team league.
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It was a while ago now but I feel like pogba was definitely one of their 5 or so best players
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I remember mbappe, varane, Pavard, kante being outstanding, umtiti, lloris and giroud despite not scoring we’re also good, pogba was decent enough but not a standout and they would have won it without him. Griezmann was awful
posted on 27/10/20
Giroud started for France in that WC, doesn’t mean he’s great. It’s pretty stupid logic that has little bearing on how good a player is.
posted on 27/10/20
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have no time for Pogba, but what Neville said is bang on. There is no way you can say to me a player part of that Juventus side and the French side that won the World cup is not a great player.
For us, he has failed so far. This failure is not just down to him though
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I always thought that the reason Pogba never showed his level was because we didn't have quality around him.
That had changed quite dramatically once I saw Fernandes' impact on the team.
For me now, I think Pogba is a great player, however you need quality around him. He's not the player to bring the best out of others, the way Fernandes has.
posted on 27/10/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like him tbf, think he has good points and isn’t afraid to speak his mind.
However I disagreed with him massively here. The first point was his reference to kdb not being great before pep which is nonsense, he was unreal at wolfsburg and before pep.
As for the France and juve comments, does anyone in the world think juve and France wouldn’t have won what they did without pogba?
He was probably the 7th or 8th best player for France in the World Cup, and juventus had pirlo, marchisio and Vidal in midfield in a one team league.
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It was a while ago now but I feel like pogba was definitely one of their 5 or so best players
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I remember mbappe, varane, Pavard, kante being outstanding, umtiti, lloris and giroud despite not scoring we’re also good, pogba was decent enough but not a standout and they would have won it without him. Griezmann was awful
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Pogba did not have a particularly good world cup. IMO largely due to playing in a 2 man midfield similar to how he's mostly operated for United in the last 18 months.
posted on 27/10/20
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
I have no time for Pogba, but what Neville said is bang on. There is no way you can say to me a player part of that Juventus side and the French side that won the World cup is not a great player.
For us, he has failed so far. This failure is not just down to him though
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A small cog for each of those though lets be honest.
As has been said both those teams would have had no problems without him being there.
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This is speculation and we would never know. What we do know is that he was there. He was not just there based on being a clown, he was in both squads because he is a bloody good player. We paid top dollar for him because he is a good player.
For me, he should have gone this summer. I have no doubt he can look like a world class player week in and week out in another league. I also believe he may never be for us what we all thought we were getting when we bought him.
posted on 27/10/20
Don’t think juve ever recovered from him leaving too...oh wait they won every year since? Lol not saying he’s a bad player but teams don’t seem affected whether he plays or not
posted on 27/10/20
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
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I watched plenty of Juve during Pogba's time there and he was absolutely brilliant. One of the best players in the team. The pace of the league, the shape of the Juve side and the team-mates obviously helped but he was fantastic.
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nice to hear an informed voice of reason.
there is a bizarre rewriting of history where pogba is relegated to the role of flash harry at juve, whilst the real stars of the midfield were other players.
and that is simply not supported by any of the evidence - go and look at the serie A teams of the year for instance during his time there, or annual pools like the guardian top 100 footballers. yet some on here love to trot it out as fact.
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