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posted on 27/10/20

Depends on the context of Neville's argument. If he means Pogba is a great player because of his achievements with both Juve and France, he would be right. He's proven his quality at that level. There can be various reasons for players performances at a club, especially one like Man United.

I remember Neville said it before about managers like Van Gaal, Mourinho etc saying that they aren't bad managers and he was right, they weren't, there were, and still are, bigger issues with United at present. Same applies with players. Players like Mata, Matic, Schweinsteiger, Sanchez etc were not bad players, but, for whatever reason, have not performed to the level they are capable of at United. Pogba is no exception to this list either.

My point is form is temporary, class is permanent and I think Pogba is one of those players who falls under this category and unfortunately, unless United's culture is shifted heavily and the football is played to suit Pogba's ability, they will never get the best of him at United.

comment by RB&W (U21434)

posted on 27/10/20

Which is basically summed up by saying he played for Juventus and France, therefore a 'great player'.
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No he said that Pog was at the very heart of these teams and basically made them tick.

Now if we agree that France and Juve have been pretty successful in recent years and that Pog has been very much part of them both, then we could deduct that he has been a very good player for them.

So yes, you are missing something.

posted on 27/10/20

Mane is not a great player LMAO. Van Dijk and Salah may eventually if they keep at their level end up being great players, but Mane and Alisson are on the level below great.

posted on 27/10/20

comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 47 minutes ago
Which is basically summed up by saying he played for Juventus and France, therefore a 'great player'.
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No he said that Pog was at the very heart of these teams and basically made them tick.

Now if we agree that France and Juve have been pretty successful in recent years and that Pog has been very much part of them both, then we could deduct that he has been a very good player for them.

So yes, you are missing something.
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But that’s the point, he’s just been a part of those teams, wasn’t integral.

comment by RB&W (U21434)

posted on 27/10/20

he’s just been a part of those teams, wasn’t integral.
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Gaz is arguing that he was.

Which is his point,

posted on 27/10/20

comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 53 minutes ago
Mane is not a great player LMAO. Van Dijk and Salah may eventually if they keep at their level end up being great players, but Mane and Alisson are on the level below great.
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Depends what u consider great. Currently mane is Liverpool’s best player and is in top 5 players in the league

posted on 27/10/20

A bit off topic but it was mentioned above but I feel Mbappe’s contribution to France’s World Cup win was a bit overstated. He had 3-4 good games but also a few quite ones in that tournament.

posted on 27/10/20

Tbf process France were just the best of a bad bunch imo. Even the final was not a “4-2” if that makes sense. Certainly not the 4-1 lead France had.

posted on 27/10/20

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
A bit off topic but it was mentioned above but I feel Mbappe’s contribution to France’s World Cup win was a bit overstated. He had 3-4 good games but also a few quite ones in that tournament.
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That's more than the rest of their team though tbh, the overall quality of the sides that year felt pretty poor

posted on 27/10/20

comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Mane is not a great player LMAO. Van Dijk and Salah may eventually if they keep at their level end up being great players, but Mane and Alisson are on the level below great.
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And you wonder why I’m #TeamCuler

posted on 27/10/20

Souness talks a load of shiete, he can not get beyond his Pool bias, and it is time he was put out to grass. A stuffed Parrot would be more insightful.

posted on 27/10/20

Dont mind Neville but hes not perfect, none of them are. Hes usually decent though and one of the best around.

posted on 27/10/20

comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Souness talks a load of shiete, he can not get beyond his Pool bias, and it is time he was put out to grass. A stuffed Parrot would be more insightful.
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You realise hes got a huge soft spot for Spurs? he even said it few times live on air.

comment by Ron (U1646)

posted on 27/10/20

comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 40 minutes ago
Pogba is a great player.... there is absolutely no doubt that on his day he is one of the best midfielders out there.

he has good passing ability, good on the ball, decent in the air and can finish.

but here lies the problem... his day only comes 2 or 3 times a season.
ive said it before, id much rather have a 7 or 8 out of 10 midfielder every week than a 10 out of 10 once in a blue moon and 5 or 6 out of 10 for the rest.


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How can you call someone a great player whilst at the same time saying they only perform in 2-3 games a season?

The most importance thing about being great is consistency.

I think you're confusing the word talent and greatness.
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I disagree, it's more about performing when your team needs you the most. For some this is more often than for others.

A good example is Zidane who is remembered as a great but produced numerous performances in his career which were below par
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Did you just use Zidane in a discussion about Paul Pogba?

Oh and Pogba rarely ever perform when the team needs him, or they don't. That's the point.

Neville who lets be honest will have seen less than a total of 10 games that Pogba played for Juve, is calling him a great TODAY because he played for two good team previously.

Pogba has never been great for France, and he was inconsistent for Juve, masked by Juve being such a dominant team in a poor league.

posted on 27/10/20

Neville made the point that it's too early to judge pogba in this managerial set up because he was out with a long term injury for a lot of last season and also got covid a couple of weeks back.

posted on 27/10/20

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 40 minutes ago
Pogba is a great player.... there is absolutely no doubt that on his day he is one of the best midfielders out there.

he has good passing ability, good on the ball, decent in the air and can finish.

but here lies the problem... his day only comes 2 or 3 times a season.
ive said it before, id much rather have a 7 or 8 out of 10 midfielder every week than a 10 out of 10 once in a blue moon and 5 or 6 out of 10 for the rest.


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How can you call someone a great player whilst at the same time saying they only perform in 2-3 games a season?

The most importance thing about being great is consistency.

I think you're confusing the word talent and greatness.
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I disagree, it's more about performing when your team needs you the most. For some this is more often than for others.

A good example is Zidane who is remembered as a great but produced numerous performances in his career which were below par
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Did you just use Zidane in a discussion about Paul Pogba?

Oh and Pogba rarely ever perform when the team needs him, or they don't. That's the point.

Neville who lets be honest will have seen less than a total of 10 games that Pogba played for Juve, is calling him a great TODAY because he played for two good team previously.

Pogba has never been great for France, and he was inconsistent for Juve, masked by Juve being such a dominant team in a poor league.
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I didn't say Pogba was a great, I said your assertion about what makes a great is wrong and I stand by that.

Also, Pogba was excellent for Juve and pretty consistent. Sometimes I wish he stayed there because the environment was perfect for him.

comment by Ron (U1646)

posted on 27/10/20

comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 40 minutes ago
Pogba is a great player.... there is absolutely no doubt that on his day he is one of the best midfielders out there.

he has good passing ability, good on the ball, decent in the air and can finish.

but here lies the problem... his day only comes 2 or 3 times a season.
ive said it before, id much rather have a 7 or 8 out of 10 midfielder every week than a 10 out of 10 once in a blue moon and 5 or 6 out of 10 for the rest.


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How can you call someone a great player whilst at the same time saying they only perform in 2-3 games a season?

The most importance thing about being great is consistency.

I think you're confusing the word talent and greatness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I disagree, it's more about performing when your team needs you the most. For some this is more often than for others.

A good example is Zidane who is remembered as a great but produced numerous performances in his career which were below par
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Did you just use Zidane in a discussion about Paul Pogba?

Oh and Pogba rarely ever perform when the team needs him, or they don't. That's the point.

Neville who lets be honest will have seen less than a total of 10 games that Pogba played for Juve, is calling him a great TODAY because he played for two good team previously.

Pogba has never been great for France, and he was inconsistent for Juve, masked by Juve being such a dominant team in a poor league.
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I didn't say Pogba was a great, I said your assertion about what makes a great is wrong and I stand by that.

Also, Pogba was excellent for Juve and pretty consistent. Sometimes I wish he stayed there because the environment was perfect for him.
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There has never been a great player who only plays 3 good games a season for 4 years, and goes missing in 30 plus.

You using a straw man argument with Zidane is irrelevant. Zidane best performances were far better than anything Pogba has ever produced, and he was more consistent.

Pogba was decent for Juventus, largely because he was surrounded by world class players in a terrible league. He wasn't in Juventus best 5 players.



posted on 27/10/20

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 40 minutes ago
Pogba is a great player.... there is absolutely no doubt that on his day he is one of the best midfielders out there.

he has good passing ability, good on the ball, decent in the air and can finish.

but here lies the problem... his day only comes 2 or 3 times a season.
ive said it before, id much rather have a 7 or 8 out of 10 midfielder every week than a 10 out of 10 once in a blue moon and 5 or 6 out of 10 for the rest.


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How can you call someone a great player whilst at the same time saying they only perform in 2-3 games a season?

The most importance thing about being great is consistency.

I think you're confusing the word talent and greatness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I disagree, it's more about performing when your team needs you the most. For some this is more often than for others.

A good example is Zidane who is remembered as a great but produced numerous performances in his career which were below par
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you just use Zidane in a discussion about Paul Pogba?

Oh and Pogba rarely ever perform when the team needs him, or they don't. That's the point.

Neville who lets be honest will have seen less than a total of 10 games that Pogba played for Juve, is calling him a great TODAY because he played for two good team previously.

Pogba has never been great for France, and he was inconsistent for Juve, masked by Juve being such a dominant team in a poor league.
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I didn't say Pogba was a great, I said your assertion about what makes a great is wrong and I stand by that.

Also, Pogba was excellent for Juve and pretty consistent. Sometimes I wish he stayed there because the environment was perfect for him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

There has never been a great player who only plays 3 good games a season for 4 years, and goes missing in 30 plus.

You using a straw man argument with Zidane is irrelevant. Zidane best performances were far better than anything Pogba has ever produced, and he was more consistent.

Pogba was decent for Juventus, largely because he was surrounded by world class players in a terrible league. He wasn't in Juventus best 5 players.




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Pogba wasn't decent, he was excellent. I saw plenty of Juve games in that period and he was consistently very good and definitely one of Juve's best players.

Again, I'm not arguing that Pogba is a great I'm saying that your assertion that consistency is the most important factor in determining a great, is wrong.

Zidane is just one example, there are other players considered greats who were also inconsistent.

comment by Ron (U1646)

posted on 27/10/20

comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 40 minutes ago
Pogba is a great player.... there is absolutely no doubt that on his day he is one of the best midfielders out there.

he has good passing ability, good on the ball, decent in the air and can finish.

but here lies the problem... his day only comes 2 or 3 times a season.
ive said it before, id much rather have a 7 or 8 out of 10 midfielder every week than a 10 out of 10 once in a blue moon and 5 or 6 out of 10 for the rest.


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How can you call someone a great player whilst at the same time saying they only perform in 2-3 games a season?

The most importance thing about being great is consistency.

I think you're confusing the word talent and greatness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I disagree, it's more about performing when your team needs you the most. For some this is more often than for others.

A good example is Zidane who is remembered as a great but produced numerous performances in his career which were below par
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you just use Zidane in a discussion about Paul Pogba?

Oh and Pogba rarely ever perform when the team needs him, or they don't. That's the point.

Neville who lets be honest will have seen less than a total of 10 games that Pogba played for Juve, is calling him a great TODAY because he played for two good team previously.

Pogba has never been great for France, and he was inconsistent for Juve, masked by Juve being such a dominant team in a poor league.
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I didn't say Pogba was a great, I said your assertion about what makes a great is wrong and I stand by that.

Also, Pogba was excellent for Juve and pretty consistent. Sometimes I wish he stayed there because the environment was perfect for him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

There has never been a great player who only plays 3 good games a season for 4 years, and goes missing in 30 plus.

You using a straw man argument with Zidane is irrelevant. Zidane best performances were far better than anything Pogba has ever produced, and he was more consistent.

Pogba was decent for Juventus, largely because he was surrounded by world class players in a terrible league. He wasn't in Juventus best 5 players.




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Pogba wasn't decent, he was excellent. I saw plenty of Juve games in that period and he was consistently very good and definitely one of Juve's best players.

Again, I'm not arguing that Pogba is a great I'm saying that your assertion that consistency is the most important factor in determining a great, is wrong.

Zidane is just one example, there are other players considered greats who were also inconsistent.
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Ok great. We disagree.

I personally think consistency is the most important trait, which is why C.Ronaldo and Messi will go down as 2 of the greatest players ever, because they have consistently performed at a high level for 10 plus years.

posted on 28/10/20

The Space Jam aliens got to Pogba before he joined United.

He's absolutely useless.

posted on 28/10/20

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 13 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 40 minutes ago
Pogba is a great player.... there is absolutely no doubt that on his day he is one of the best midfielders out there.

he has good passing ability, good on the ball, decent in the air and can finish.

but here lies the problem... his day only comes 2 or 3 times a season.
ive said it before, id much rather have a 7 or 8 out of 10 midfielder every week than a 10 out of 10 once in a blue moon and 5 or 6 out of 10 for the rest.


----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you call someone a great player whilst at the same time saying they only perform in 2-3 games a season?

The most importance thing about being great is consistency.

I think you're confusing the word talent and greatness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I disagree, it's more about performing when your team needs you the most. For some this is more often than for others.

A good example is Zidane who is remembered as a great but produced numerous performances in his career which were below par
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you just use Zidane in a discussion about Paul Pogba?

Oh and Pogba rarely ever perform when the team needs him, or they don't. That's the point.

Neville who lets be honest will have seen less than a total of 10 games that Pogba played for Juve, is calling him a great TODAY because he played for two good team previously.

Pogba has never been great for France, and he was inconsistent for Juve, masked by Juve being such a dominant team in a poor league.
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I didn't say Pogba was a great, I said your assertion about what makes a great is wrong and I stand by that.

Also, Pogba was excellent for Juve and pretty consistent. Sometimes I wish he stayed there because the environment was perfect for him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

There has never been a great player who only plays 3 good games a season for 4 years, and goes missing in 30 plus.

You using a straw man argument with Zidane is irrelevant. Zidane best performances were far better than anything Pogba has ever produced, and he was more consistent.

Pogba was decent for Juventus, largely because he was surrounded by world class players in a terrible league. He wasn't in Juventus best 5 players.




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Pogba wasn't decent, he was excellent. I saw plenty of Juve games in that period and he was consistently very good and definitely one of Juve's best players.

Again, I'm not arguing that Pogba is a great I'm saying that your assertion that consistency is the most important factor in determining a great, is wrong.

Zidane is just one example, there are other players considered greats who were also inconsistent.
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Ok great. We disagree.

I personally think consistency is the most important trait, which is why C.Ronaldo and Messi will go down as 2 of the greatest players ever, because they have consistently performed at a high level for 10 plus years.


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They will go down as greats PARTLY because of their consistency but that does not make their consistency the most important factor. Delivering when the eyes of millions around the world are watching in big games is probably more important. The fact that neither has had a truly significant moment at international level will stand against them. The fact that they have delivered in CL finals will support their legacy.

A player who turns up once in every 3/4 games will be a bigger legend than C.Ronaldo or Messi if he manages to score winning goals in multiple world cup finals for example as well as CL finals.

History will remember great moments over consistency which is why Zidane will always sit above consistent greats such as Gerd Muller or Eusebio for example. His moments for France and Real are that important as well as his technical quality of course.

comment by Ron (U1646)

posted on 28/10/20

comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 13 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 40 minutes ago
Pogba is a great player.... there is absolutely no doubt that on his day he is one of the best midfielders out there.

he has good passing ability, good on the ball, decent in the air and can finish.

but here lies the problem... his day only comes 2 or 3 times a season.
ive said it before, id much rather have a 7 or 8 out of 10 midfielder every week than a 10 out of 10 once in a blue moon and 5 or 6 out of 10 for the rest.


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How can you call someone a great player whilst at the same time saying they only perform in 2-3 games a season?

The most importance thing about being great is consistency.

I think you're confusing the word talent and greatness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I disagree, it's more about performing when your team needs you the most. For some this is more often than for others.

A good example is Zidane who is remembered as a great but produced numerous performances in his career which were below par
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you just use Zidane in a discussion about Paul Pogba?

Oh and Pogba rarely ever perform when the team needs him, or they don't. That's the point.

Neville who lets be honest will have seen less than a total of 10 games that Pogba played for Juve, is calling him a great TODAY because he played for two good team previously.

Pogba has never been great for France, and he was inconsistent for Juve, masked by Juve being such a dominant team in a poor league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't say Pogba was a great, I said your assertion about what makes a great is wrong and I stand by that.

Also, Pogba was excellent for Juve and pretty consistent. Sometimes I wish he stayed there because the environment was perfect for him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

There has never been a great player who only plays 3 good games a season for 4 years, and goes missing in 30 plus.

You using a straw man argument with Zidane is irrelevant. Zidane best performances were far better than anything Pogba has ever produced, and he was more consistent.

Pogba was decent for Juventus, largely because he was surrounded by world class players in a terrible league. He wasn't in Juventus best 5 players.




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Pogba wasn't decent, he was excellent. I saw plenty of Juve games in that period and he was consistently very good and definitely one of Juve's best players.

Again, I'm not arguing that Pogba is a great I'm saying that your assertion that consistency is the most important factor in determining a great, is wrong.

Zidane is just one example, there are other players considered greats who were also inconsistent.
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Ok great. We disagree.

I personally think consistency is the most important trait, which is why C.Ronaldo and Messi will go down as 2 of the greatest players ever, because they have consistently performed at a high level for 10 plus years.


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They will go down as greats PARTLY because of their consistency but that does not make their consistency the most important factor. Delivering when the eyes of millions around the world are watching in big games is probably more important. The fact that neither has had a truly significant moment at international level will stand against them. The fact that they have delivered in CL finals will support their legacy.

A player who turns up once in every 3/4 games will be a bigger legend than C.Ronaldo or Messi if he manages to score winning goals in multiple world cup finals for example as well as CL finals.

History will remember great moments over consistency which is why Zidane will always sit above consistent greats such as Gerd Muller or Eusebio for example. His moments for France and Real are that important as well as his technical quality of course.
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Feel like we are getting into semantics. Messi and Ronaldo perform consistently in all games, that includes champions league finals, semi finals, quarters etc.

Anyone its all opinions what separates the greats, and which one is above another, everyone has different criteria.

But there is no criteria you could use, to call Pogba a great player over the last 4 years, which is what Gary Neville said.

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