comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 16 seconds ago
Give me 5 mins and I'll fax you my certificate, driving license and anything else to prove my identity as well if you so wish.
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Have we gone back to the 1990's
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Back when LRF/JustYour swapped from reading to Liverpool?
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I couldn’t quite work out whether it was this guy, or that Footy McFootfoot, that was LRF. Similar style of writing with similar levels of bullshiiiit.
I cannot understand the anti vax mentality. Just seems to be stupidity for the sake of it.
I recently got a puupy and was surprised at how many vaccinations she needed. They're very vulnerable at that age.
To think parents are actively going out of their way to have their children avoid these very important vaccinations is actually crazy.
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 16 seconds ago
Give me 5 mins and I'll fax you my certificate, driving license and anything else to prove my identity as well if you so wish.
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Have we gone back to the 1990's
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Back when LRF/JustYour swapped from reading to Liverpool?
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I probably won't be old enough to know the 90's so who knows. What else do we wish to make up?
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Where did you get your fax from,the antiques roadshow?
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Tbh our fax machine is probably one of the best machines we have here. It's a sorry state of affairs.
Vaccines are Bill Gates tracking devices.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 16 seconds ago
Give me 5 mins and I'll fax you my certificate, driving license and anything else to prove my identity as well if you so wish.
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Have we gone back to the 1990's
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Back when LRF/JustYour swapped from reading to Liverpool?
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I couldn’t quite work out whether it was this guy, or that Footy McFootfoot, that was LRF. Similar style of writing with similar levels of bullshiiiit.
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That's quite rich coming from you.
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been already in this thread so my comments are basically seconding other people's views.
1) The anti-vaccination arguments tend to share a characteristic with the anti-mask arguments, which is "it's my choice whether I want to risk getting Covid" and therefore failing to focus on the dimension of doing something for the common good. I'm pretty confident that my health and age would put me in good stead to survive Covid-19. I don't enjoy wearing a mask and having my glasses steam up. But these are things we do to protect other people, to minimise the spread and the prevalence of the disease in our community. It has been argued that the vulnerable will be vaccinated first - but not everyone in the vulnerable category will be. There will be vulnerable people who are taken in by anti-vax misinformation. There will be people with pre-existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed. And what, as someone else mentioned, if Covid-19, left endemic in our population, undergoes a mutation that makes it deadlier and harder to stop? There isn't a scenario where it isn't in our common good to get as close to eradication of the disease.
2) Some people have talked about the unknown 'long-term risks' of the vaccine. First of all, medical scientists are inventing the wheel. They are using vaccine technologies that have already been developed. It's my understanding that we know a lot more about their effects on our bodies than the vaccine-wary believe. It has also been noted in the coverage that one of the reasons the vaccines are so effective is that the structure of the Covid-19 cells make them particularly easy to 'attack' once our immune system is taught how to. But secondly, we also don't know much about the long-term effects of Covid. We're starting to discover that it effects the cardiological system and the brain as well as the respiratory system. We're starting to learn about 'Long Covid'. And there have been cases of young, fit people who were asymptomatic when they had Covid developing alarming symptoms such as blood clots some time later. Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
3) I don't believe in forcing needles into people's arms against their will. But we do, or should, live in a society where our rights are balanced by responsibilities. Once a properly tested and certified vaccine is universally available, I'm in favour of protecting the public by restricting access to certain social spaces to those who have been vaccinated. This shouldn't be done in a punitive way, and the extent and duration of the policy should be led by the epidemiological evidence.
*aren't inventing the wheel
Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
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Understandably, it isn't. But looking at how this is at the moment, there is an infectious disease giving flu-like symptoms to most people who are not vulnerable or elderly, or a vaccine that has question marks over if has been trialed correctly and has other unknowns surrounding it whilst going against the norm in order to rush this out as quickly as possible.
Whilst I may suffer from Covid-19, I'd take my chances at that and be ok rather than any potential suffering from a vaccine that I don't believe, at this moment in time, is the safest option for me.
I understand why people will have it, but I have a reserved judgement about the vaccine and would rather know how effective it is on the general public before I was to be vaccinated myself.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been already in this thread so my comments are basically seconding other people's views.
1) The anti-vaccination arguments tend to share a characteristic with the anti-mask arguments, which is "it's my choice whether I want to risk getting Covid" and therefore failing to focus on the dimension of doing something for the common good. I'm pretty confident that my health and age would put me in good stead to survive Covid-19. I don't enjoy wearing a mask and having my glasses steam up. But these are things we do to protect other people, to minimise the spread and the prevalence of the disease in our community. It has been argued that the vulnerable will be vaccinated first - but not everyone in the vulnerable category will be. There will be vulnerable people who are taken in by anti-vax misinformation. There will be people with pre-existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed. And what, as someone else mentioned, if Covid-19, left endemic in our population, undergoes a mutation that makes it deadlier and harder to stop? There isn't a scenario where it isn't in our common good to get as close to eradication of the disease.
2) Some people have talked about the unknown 'long-term risks' of the vaccine. First of all, medical scientists are inventing the wheel. They are using vaccine technologies that have already been developed. It's my understanding that we know a lot more about their effects on our bodies than the vaccine-wary believe. It has also been noted in the coverage that one of the reasons the vaccines are so effective is that the structure of the Covid-19 cells make them particularly easy to 'attack' once our immune system is taught how to. But secondly, we also don't know much about the long-term effects of Covid. We're starting to discover that it effects the cardiological system and the brain as well as the respiratory system. We're starting to learn about 'Long Covid'. And there have been cases of young, fit people who were asymptomatic when they had Covid developing alarming symptoms such as blood clots some time later. Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
3) I don't believe in forcing needles into people's arms against their will. But we do, or should, live in a society where our rights are balanced by responsibilities. Once a properly tested and certified vaccine is universally available, I'm in favour of protecting the public by restricting access to certain social spaces to those who have been vaccinated. This shouldn't be done in a punitive way, and the extent and duration of the policy should be led by the epidemiological evidence.
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This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been already in this thread so my comments are basically seconding other people's views.
1) The anti-vaccination arguments tend to share a characteristic with the anti-mask arguments, which is "it's my choice whether I want to risk getting Covid" and therefore failing to focus on the dimension of doing something for the common good. I'm pretty confident that my health and age would put me in good stead to survive Covid-19. I don't enjoy wearing a mask and having my glasses steam up. But these are things we do to protect other people, to minimise the spread and the prevalence of the disease in our community. It has been argued that the vulnerable will be vaccinated first - but not everyone in the vulnerable category will be. There will be vulnerable people who are taken in by anti-vax misinformation. There will be people with pre-existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed. And what, as someone else mentioned, if Covid-19, left endemic in our population, undergoes a mutation that makes it deadlier and harder to stop? There isn't a scenario where it isn't in our common good to get as close to eradication of the disease.
2) Some people have talked about the unknown 'long-term risks' of the vaccine. First of all, medical scientists are inventing the wheel. They are using vaccine technologies that have already been developed. It's my understanding that we know a lot more about their effects on our bodies than the vaccine-wary believe. It has also been noted in the coverage that one of the reasons the vaccines are so effective is that the structure of the Covid-19 cells make them particularly easy to 'attack' once our immune system is taught how to. But secondly, we also don't know much about the long-term effects of Covid. We're starting to discover that it effects the cardiological system and the brain as well as the respiratory system. We're starting to learn about 'Long Covid'. And there have been cases of young, fit people who were asymptomatic when they had Covid developing alarming symptoms such as blood clots some time later. Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
3) I don't believe in forcing needles into people's arms against their will. But we do, or should, live in a society where our rights are balanced by responsibilities. Once a properly tested and certified vaccine is universally available, I'm in favour of protecting the public by restricting access to certain social spaces to those who have been vaccinated. This shouldn't be done in a punitive way, and the extent and duration of the policy should be led by the epidemiological evidence.
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This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
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IKR someone really should just report this guy already
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 hours, 43 minutes ago
*aren't inventing the wheel
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Thank you!
This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
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Bed-wetter!
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 32 minutes ago
This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
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Bed-wetter!
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🤣
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been already in this thread so my comments are basically seconding other people's views.
1) The anti-vaccination arguments tend to share a characteristic with the anti-mask arguments, which is "it's my choice whether I want to risk getting Covid" and therefore failing to focus on the dimension of doing something for the common good. I'm pretty confident that my health and age would put me in good stead to survive Covid-19. I don't enjoy wearing a mask and having my glasses steam up. But these are things we do to protect other people, to minimise the spread and the prevalence of the disease in our community. It has been argued that the vulnerable will be vaccinated first - but not everyone in the vulnerable category will be. There will be vulnerable people who are taken in by anti-vax misinformation. There will be people with pre-existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed. And what, as someone else mentioned, if Covid-19, left endemic in our population, undergoes a mutation that makes it deadlier and harder to stop? There isn't a scenario where it isn't in our common good to get as close to eradication of the disease.
2) Some people have talked about the unknown 'long-term risks' of the vaccine. First of all, medical scientists are inventing the wheel. They are using vaccine technologies that have already been developed. It's my understanding that we know a lot more about their effects on our bodies than the vaccine-wary believe. It has also been noted in the coverage that one of the reasons the vaccines are so effective is that the structure of the Covid-19 cells make them particularly easy to 'attack' once our immune system is taught how to. But secondly, we also don't know much about the long-term effects of Covid. We're starting to discover that it effects the cardiological system and the brain as well as the respiratory system. We're starting to learn about 'Long Covid'. And there have been cases of young, fit people who were asymptomatic when they had Covid developing alarming symptoms such as blood clots some time later. Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
3) I don't believe in forcing needles into people's arms against their will. But we do, or should, live in a society where our rights are balanced by responsibilities. Once a properly tested and certified vaccine is universally available, I'm in favour of protecting the public by restricting access to certain social spaces to those who have been vaccinated. This shouldn't be done in a punitive way, and the extent and duration of the policy should be led by the epidemiological evidence.
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This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
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Even though I didn’t know RR wore glasses I feel that I’ve always known..
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 10 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Dr Sheldon Cooper (U1217)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why has this 70% number been used? Genuinely interested.
People always talk about the side effects of vaccines - but are they really that bad? I’ve never really heard of any genuine long term side - effects but appreciate that I don’t really research it at all. Did listen to a podcast on the ‘Autism’ conspiracy and all the research papers link to a source that is misquoted as it says it’s actually fine
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I remember reading an article a few weeks ago which basically said long term negative effects of a vaccine isn't really a thing. If I manage to find it again I'll put the link on here.
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That was always my understanding. That any negative impacts would be pretty immediate. Though as someone posted above, in terms of pregnancy etc the impact may not be immediately clear. So I can understand any fear in that regard
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I think this was the article I was referring to
https://edwardnirenberg.medium.com/long-term-effects-of-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried-c3c3a547b565
comment by Robb Pochettino - 🧢 Make United Great Again (U22311)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been already in this thread so my comments are basically seconding other people's views.
1) The anti-vaccination arguments tend to share a characteristic with the anti-mask arguments, which is "it's my choice whether I want to risk getting Covid" and therefore failing to focus on the dimension of doing something for the common good. I'm pretty confident that my health and age would put me in good stead to survive Covid-19. I don't enjoy wearing a mask and having my glasses steam up. But these are things we do to protect other people, to minimise the spread and the prevalence of the disease in our community. It has been argued that the vulnerable will be vaccinated first - but not everyone in the vulnerable category will be. There will be vulnerable people who are taken in by anti-vax misinformation. There will be people with pre-existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed. And what, as someone else mentioned, if Covid-19, left endemic in our population, undergoes a mutation that makes it deadlier and harder to stop? There isn't a scenario where it isn't in our common good to get as close to eradication of the disease.
2) Some people have talked about the unknown 'long-term risks' of the vaccine. First of all, medical scientists are inventing the wheel. They are using vaccine technologies that have already been developed. It's my understanding that we know a lot more about their effects on our bodies than the vaccine-wary believe. It has also been noted in the coverage that one of the reasons the vaccines are so effective is that the structure of the Covid-19 cells make them particularly easy to 'attack' once our immune system is taught how to. But secondly, we also don't know much about the long-term effects of Covid. We're starting to discover that it effects the cardiological system and the brain as well as the respiratory system. We're starting to learn about 'Long Covid'. And there have been cases of young, fit people who were asymptomatic when they had Covid developing alarming symptoms such as blood clots some time later. Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
3) I don't believe in forcing needles into people's arms against their will. But we do, or should, live in a society where our rights are balanced by responsibilities. Once a properly tested and certified vaccine is universally available, I'm in favour of protecting the public by restricting access to certain social spaces to those who have been vaccinated. This shouldn't be done in a punitive way, and the extent and duration of the policy should be led by the epidemiological evidence.
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This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
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Even though I didn’t know RR wore glasses I feel that I’ve always known..
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Contacts on Wednesday evenings when I play football.
Are there any long term side effects of known vaccines? I feel as though people are confusing them with drugs
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 8 hours, 48 minutes ago
Are there any long term side effects of known vaccines? I feel as though people are confusing them with drugs
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If you read the article posted by Dr Sheldon Cooper (U1217) above, you'll see that there's really no such thing.
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Vaccine Hesitancy
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posted on 20/11/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 16 seconds ago
Give me 5 mins and I'll fax you my certificate, driving license and anything else to prove my identity as well if you so wish.
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Have we gone back to the 1990's
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Back when LRF/JustYour swapped from reading to Liverpool?
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I couldn’t quite work out whether it was this guy, or that Footy McFootfoot, that was LRF. Similar style of writing with similar levels of bullshiiiit.
posted on 20/11/20
I cannot understand the anti vax mentality. Just seems to be stupidity for the sake of it.
I recently got a puupy and was surprised at how many vaccinations she needed. They're very vulnerable at that age.
To think parents are actively going out of their way to have their children avoid these very important vaccinations is actually crazy.
posted on 20/11/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 16 seconds ago
Give me 5 mins and I'll fax you my certificate, driving license and anything else to prove my identity as well if you so wish.
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Have we gone back to the 1990's
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Back when LRF/JustYour swapped from reading to Liverpool?
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I probably won't be old enough to know the 90's so who knows. What else do we wish to make up?
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Where did you get your fax from,the antiques roadshow?
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Tbh our fax machine is probably one of the best machines we have here. It's a sorry state of affairs.
posted on 20/11/20
Vaccines are Bill Gates tracking devices.
posted on 20/11/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 16 seconds ago
Give me 5 mins and I'll fax you my certificate, driving license and anything else to prove my identity as well if you so wish.
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Have we gone back to the 1990's
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Back when LRF/JustYour swapped from reading to Liverpool?
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I couldn’t quite work out whether it was this guy, or that Footy McFootfoot, that was LRF. Similar style of writing with similar levels of bullshiiiit.
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That's quite rich coming from you.
posted on 20/11/20
It’s not really.
posted on 20/11/20
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been already in this thread so my comments are basically seconding other people's views.
1) The anti-vaccination arguments tend to share a characteristic with the anti-mask arguments, which is "it's my choice whether I want to risk getting Covid" and therefore failing to focus on the dimension of doing something for the common good. I'm pretty confident that my health and age would put me in good stead to survive Covid-19. I don't enjoy wearing a mask and having my glasses steam up. But these are things we do to protect other people, to minimise the spread and the prevalence of the disease in our community. It has been argued that the vulnerable will be vaccinated first - but not everyone in the vulnerable category will be. There will be vulnerable people who are taken in by anti-vax misinformation. There will be people with pre-existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed. And what, as someone else mentioned, if Covid-19, left endemic in our population, undergoes a mutation that makes it deadlier and harder to stop? There isn't a scenario where it isn't in our common good to get as close to eradication of the disease.
2) Some people have talked about the unknown 'long-term risks' of the vaccine. First of all, medical scientists are inventing the wheel. They are using vaccine technologies that have already been developed. It's my understanding that we know a lot more about their effects on our bodies than the vaccine-wary believe. It has also been noted in the coverage that one of the reasons the vaccines are so effective is that the structure of the Covid-19 cells make them particularly easy to 'attack' once our immune system is taught how to. But secondly, we also don't know much about the long-term effects of Covid. We're starting to discover that it effects the cardiological system and the brain as well as the respiratory system. We're starting to learn about 'Long Covid'. And there have been cases of young, fit people who were asymptomatic when they had Covid developing alarming symptoms such as blood clots some time later. Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
3) I don't believe in forcing needles into people's arms against their will. But we do, or should, live in a society where our rights are balanced by responsibilities. Once a properly tested and certified vaccine is universally available, I'm in favour of protecting the public by restricting access to certain social spaces to those who have been vaccinated. This shouldn't be done in a punitive way, and the extent and duration of the policy should be led by the epidemiological evidence.
posted on 20/11/20
*aren't inventing the wheel
posted on 20/11/20
Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
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Understandably, it isn't. But looking at how this is at the moment, there is an infectious disease giving flu-like symptoms to most people who are not vulnerable or elderly, or a vaccine that has question marks over if has been trialed correctly and has other unknowns surrounding it whilst going against the norm in order to rush this out as quickly as possible.
Whilst I may suffer from Covid-19, I'd take my chances at that and be ok rather than any potential suffering from a vaccine that I don't believe, at this moment in time, is the safest option for me.
I understand why people will have it, but I have a reserved judgement about the vaccine and would rather know how effective it is on the general public before I was to be vaccinated myself.
posted on 20/11/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been already in this thread so my comments are basically seconding other people's views.
1) The anti-vaccination arguments tend to share a characteristic with the anti-mask arguments, which is "it's my choice whether I want to risk getting Covid" and therefore failing to focus on the dimension of doing something for the common good. I'm pretty confident that my health and age would put me in good stead to survive Covid-19. I don't enjoy wearing a mask and having my glasses steam up. But these are things we do to protect other people, to minimise the spread and the prevalence of the disease in our community. It has been argued that the vulnerable will be vaccinated first - but not everyone in the vulnerable category will be. There will be vulnerable people who are taken in by anti-vax misinformation. There will be people with pre-existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed. And what, as someone else mentioned, if Covid-19, left endemic in our population, undergoes a mutation that makes it deadlier and harder to stop? There isn't a scenario where it isn't in our common good to get as close to eradication of the disease.
2) Some people have talked about the unknown 'long-term risks' of the vaccine. First of all, medical scientists are inventing the wheel. They are using vaccine technologies that have already been developed. It's my understanding that we know a lot more about their effects on our bodies than the vaccine-wary believe. It has also been noted in the coverage that one of the reasons the vaccines are so effective is that the structure of the Covid-19 cells make them particularly easy to 'attack' once our immune system is taught how to. But secondly, we also don't know much about the long-term effects of Covid. We're starting to discover that it effects the cardiological system and the brain as well as the respiratory system. We're starting to learn about 'Long Covid'. And there have been cases of young, fit people who were asymptomatic when they had Covid developing alarming symptoms such as blood clots some time later. Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
3) I don't believe in forcing needles into people's arms against their will. But we do, or should, live in a society where our rights are balanced by responsibilities. Once a properly tested and certified vaccine is universally available, I'm in favour of protecting the public by restricting access to certain social spaces to those who have been vaccinated. This shouldn't be done in a punitive way, and the extent and duration of the policy should be led by the epidemiological evidence.
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This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
posted on 20/11/20
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been already in this thread so my comments are basically seconding other people's views.
1) The anti-vaccination arguments tend to share a characteristic with the anti-mask arguments, which is "it's my choice whether I want to risk getting Covid" and therefore failing to focus on the dimension of doing something for the common good. I'm pretty confident that my health and age would put me in good stead to survive Covid-19. I don't enjoy wearing a mask and having my glasses steam up. But these are things we do to protect other people, to minimise the spread and the prevalence of the disease in our community. It has been argued that the vulnerable will be vaccinated first - but not everyone in the vulnerable category will be. There will be vulnerable people who are taken in by anti-vax misinformation. There will be people with pre-existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed. And what, as someone else mentioned, if Covid-19, left endemic in our population, undergoes a mutation that makes it deadlier and harder to stop? There isn't a scenario where it isn't in our common good to get as close to eradication of the disease.
2) Some people have talked about the unknown 'long-term risks' of the vaccine. First of all, medical scientists are inventing the wheel. They are using vaccine technologies that have already been developed. It's my understanding that we know a lot more about their effects on our bodies than the vaccine-wary believe. It has also been noted in the coverage that one of the reasons the vaccines are so effective is that the structure of the Covid-19 cells make them particularly easy to 'attack' once our immune system is taught how to. But secondly, we also don't know much about the long-term effects of Covid. We're starting to discover that it effects the cardiological system and the brain as well as the respiratory system. We're starting to learn about 'Long Covid'. And there have been cases of young, fit people who were asymptomatic when they had Covid developing alarming symptoms such as blood clots some time later. Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
3) I don't believe in forcing needles into people's arms against their will. But we do, or should, live in a society where our rights are balanced by responsibilities. Once a properly tested and certified vaccine is universally available, I'm in favour of protecting the public by restricting access to certain social spaces to those who have been vaccinated. This shouldn't be done in a punitive way, and the extent and duration of the policy should be led by the epidemiological evidence.
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This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
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IKR someone really should just report this guy already
posted on 20/11/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 hours, 43 minutes ago
*aren't inventing the wheel
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Thank you!
posted on 20/11/20
This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
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Bed-wetter!
posted on 20/11/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 32 minutes ago
This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
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Bed-wetter!
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🤣
posted on 20/11/20
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been already in this thread so my comments are basically seconding other people's views.
1) The anti-vaccination arguments tend to share a characteristic with the anti-mask arguments, which is "it's my choice whether I want to risk getting Covid" and therefore failing to focus on the dimension of doing something for the common good. I'm pretty confident that my health and age would put me in good stead to survive Covid-19. I don't enjoy wearing a mask and having my glasses steam up. But these are things we do to protect other people, to minimise the spread and the prevalence of the disease in our community. It has been argued that the vulnerable will be vaccinated first - but not everyone in the vulnerable category will be. There will be vulnerable people who are taken in by anti-vax misinformation. There will be people with pre-existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed. And what, as someone else mentioned, if Covid-19, left endemic in our population, undergoes a mutation that makes it deadlier and harder to stop? There isn't a scenario where it isn't in our common good to get as close to eradication of the disease.
2) Some people have talked about the unknown 'long-term risks' of the vaccine. First of all, medical scientists are inventing the wheel. They are using vaccine technologies that have already been developed. It's my understanding that we know a lot more about their effects on our bodies than the vaccine-wary believe. It has also been noted in the coverage that one of the reasons the vaccines are so effective is that the structure of the Covid-19 cells make them particularly easy to 'attack' once our immune system is taught how to. But secondly, we also don't know much about the long-term effects of Covid. We're starting to discover that it effects the cardiological system and the brain as well as the respiratory system. We're starting to learn about 'Long Covid'. And there have been cases of young, fit people who were asymptomatic when they had Covid developing alarming symptoms such as blood clots some time later. Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
3) I don't believe in forcing needles into people's arms against their will. But we do, or should, live in a society where our rights are balanced by responsibilities. Once a properly tested and certified vaccine is universally available, I'm in favour of protecting the public by restricting access to certain social spaces to those who have been vaccinated. This shouldn't be done in a punitive way, and the extent and duration of the policy should be led by the epidemiological evidence.
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This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
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Even though I didn’t know RR wore glasses I feel that I’ve always known..
posted on 20/11/20
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 10 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Dr Sheldon Cooper (U1217)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why has this 70% number been used? Genuinely interested.
People always talk about the side effects of vaccines - but are they really that bad? I’ve never really heard of any genuine long term side - effects but appreciate that I don’t really research it at all. Did listen to a podcast on the ‘Autism’ conspiracy and all the research papers link to a source that is misquoted as it says it’s actually fine
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I remember reading an article a few weeks ago which basically said long term negative effects of a vaccine isn't really a thing. If I manage to find it again I'll put the link on here.
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That was always my understanding. That any negative impacts would be pretty immediate. Though as someone posted above, in terms of pregnancy etc the impact may not be immediately clear. So I can understand any fear in that regard
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I think this was the article I was referring to
https://edwardnirenberg.medium.com/long-term-effects-of-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried-c3c3a547b565
posted on 20/11/20
comment by Robb Pochettino - 🧢 Make United Great Again (U22311)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been already in this thread so my comments are basically seconding other people's views.
1) The anti-vaccination arguments tend to share a characteristic with the anti-mask arguments, which is "it's my choice whether I want to risk getting Covid" and therefore failing to focus on the dimension of doing something for the common good. I'm pretty confident that my health and age would put me in good stead to survive Covid-19. I don't enjoy wearing a mask and having my glasses steam up. But these are things we do to protect other people, to minimise the spread and the prevalence of the disease in our community. It has been argued that the vulnerable will be vaccinated first - but not everyone in the vulnerable category will be. There will be vulnerable people who are taken in by anti-vax misinformation. There will be people with pre-existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed. And what, as someone else mentioned, if Covid-19, left endemic in our population, undergoes a mutation that makes it deadlier and harder to stop? There isn't a scenario where it isn't in our common good to get as close to eradication of the disease.
2) Some people have talked about the unknown 'long-term risks' of the vaccine. First of all, medical scientists are inventing the wheel. They are using vaccine technologies that have already been developed. It's my understanding that we know a lot more about their effects on our bodies than the vaccine-wary believe. It has also been noted in the coverage that one of the reasons the vaccines are so effective is that the structure of the Covid-19 cells make them particularly easy to 'attack' once our immune system is taught how to. But secondly, we also don't know much about the long-term effects of Covid. We're starting to discover that it effects the cardiological system and the brain as well as the respiratory system. We're starting to learn about 'Long Covid'. And there have been cases of young, fit people who were asymptomatic when they had Covid developing alarming symptoms such as blood clots some time later. Even if you're approaching this purely on a self-interested basis, I don't think taking the chance of catching Covid-19 is a risk-free approach.
3) I don't believe in forcing needles into people's arms against their will. But we do, or should, live in a society where our rights are balanced by responsibilities. Once a properly tested and certified vaccine is universally available, I'm in favour of protecting the public by restricting access to certain social spaces to those who have been vaccinated. This shouldn't be done in a punitive way, and the extent and duration of the policy should be led by the epidemiological evidence.
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This is the sort of triggered, unreasoned response I've come to expect from RR
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Even though I didn’t know RR wore glasses I feel that I’ve always known..
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Contacts on Wednesday evenings when I play football.
posted on 20/11/20
Are there any long term side effects of known vaccines? I feel as though people are confusing them with drugs
posted on 21/11/20
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 8 hours, 48 minutes ago
Are there any long term side effects of known vaccines? I feel as though people are confusing them with drugs
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If you read the article posted by Dr Sheldon Cooper (U1217) above, you'll see that there's really no such thing.
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