comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Just had a chat with my mother in law, asking her if negrito is a bad word, and its not to her. She said in Spain (and in very much in Cuba) it is used in an affectionate way and in no way offensive or racist.
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Out of curiosity, how old is your mother-in-law, and how long is it since she's lived abroad?
I'm asking because there is a fair amount of disagreement on the use of the word and, very broadly speaking, younger Spaniards consider the diminutive to be derogatory while the unmodified word perfectly acceptable.
The reasoning for this is that it is though that the diminutive is added subliminally because in white racist societies, black people were generally considered to be threatening. The softening of the word with the diminutive was used in order to imply that the person in question was not of the threatening kind. In other words, it was well-meaning, but ultimately reflected the underlying notion that it was necessary to clarify that the black person who was being referred to in particular was not 'of the threatening kind'.
Continuing with this train of thought, it should be obvious to anyone that no person can be considered threatening based on skin colour. Therefore the term black should be used rather than its diminutive, in direct correlation with the word 'blanco' and not 'blanquito' used to refer to a white person.
Note that all of this refers to usage in SPAIN and in the case of direct references to the colour of somebody's skin. It is completely separate from the word used as a term of endearment between friends or relations, which is actually very rare in Spain but common in Latin American countries. Further to its use in Latin American countries, it is not even exclusive to people who are actually black - it is fairly common for white men and women to call their own partners negro or negra.
Complicated, isn't it?
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comment by Poolmyfinger - VAR sucks (U12438)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 7 hours, 7 minutes ago
I have no affinity to either United or Liverpool. So I say the following without bias: The Liverpool fans contributions on this thread (with the notable exception of Welshpool and Naby) has been embarrassing.
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Indeed.
With the exception of Poolmyfinger none of them are idiots either.
Just very odd behaviour really.
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Living in your head rent free
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Nah, just calling it how it is. You aren't very bright - the whole forum knows that
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Troy Deeney says he should be banned for more than three games ✊
With the pressure coming from Kick it out and BLM there is no way he won’t get banned (which would be a disgrace btw)
Just reading back over the thread and some Liverpool fans have really embarrassed themselves here
I think Robbing Hoody embarrassed himself the most
comment by £350k Förtnite Skin (U18355)
posted 32 minutes ago
Just reading back over the thread and some Liverpool fans have really embarrassed themselves here
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This is without doubt one of the most embarrassing threads for a few Liverpool fans, they really have missed the difference between both incidents!
There’s some sad, sad, bitter people!
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 14 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cutme
I’ve already told you. In a post that you previously replied to no less.
You are tiresome. And obstinate. You should have joined this thread several hours ago. At least then you would have fitted in alongside the idiotic comments of several other Liverpool fans at that time.
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Sorry you feel that way - I’m not trying to be obstinate so apologies if I’ve come across that way. From my understanding, there was no conclusive evidence in the case and was one mans word against another. The FA ruled in favour of Evra. All I’m saying is that without conclusive prove, there will always be always section of people who will say it didn’t happen, so trying to compare these two situations is pointless! Again apologise if that wasn’t clear - I’m not defending Suarez, or even trying to give an opinion on the outcome, just saying (as I think you are) that it’s a completely pointless and non-constructive comparison.
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Anything not condemning Suarez is seen as defending Suarez on these boards. If this had happened outside football, it would be possible to have a more civilised debate without the emotions of football fans. United fans are actually the worst at this because anyone that tries to rationalise anything is immediately accused of defending a racist and being g the slum of the earth blah blah blah. Its pathetic tbh.
You can't say sheet here, just leave it.
Some of the guys crying about this are actually anti BLM, condemned the protesters and that kind of stuff. But Evra played for their club so that one is true.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 14 hours, 27 minutes ago
Your point (which was that one without doubt was said and the other only has the word of one person to verify it) definitely does not stand.
I doubt that you are aware of the facts. If you were you wouldn’t have made the comment that you did a few posts ago. If you actually are aware of the facts and still made your comment, then you’re being an idiot.
I have no affinity to either United or Liverpool. So I say the following without bias: The Liverpool fans contributions on this thread (with the notable exception of Welshpool and Naby) has been embarrassing.
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Days without embarrassing myself: 1 and counting.
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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 14 hours, 27 minutes ago
Your point (which was that one without doubt was said and the other only has the word of one person to verify it) definitely does not stand.
I doubt that you are aware of the facts. If you were you wouldn’t have made the comment that you did a few posts ago. If you actually are aware of the facts and still made your comment, then you’re being an idiot.
I have no affinity to either United or Liverpool. So I say the following without bias: The Liverpool fans contributions on this thread (with the notable exception of Welshpool and Naby) has been embarrassing.
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He says that all the time about Liverpool fans. I wouldn't pay that much attention tbh.
If you'd actually made that point GT, sensibly, then perhaps we could have discussed who said that at the time and what the differences were.
You didn't do that though, did you?
Rather than try to make out you were making a sensible point all along, have a read back about how you approached it along with with several other Liverpool fans and you may understand why the comments above are being made.
I don't expect you to hold your hands up so am not going to debate it with you.
It's all there for people to see though - page 7 and 8 being a good example of your contribution.
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Its not even a sensible point though. Again, it just completely misses the context in which thr argument was had.
We can accept the word itself can be used without meaning to cause offence. Always have. However, when it is being used towards a black player with the sole intention of winding him up, any argument about the origin of the word or whether it is a 'term of endearment' is irrelevant.
I just cannot believe this is so difficult to understand.
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comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
Its not even a sensible point though. Again, it just completely misses the context in which thr argument was had.
We can accept the word itself can be used without meaning to cause offence. Always have. However, when it is being used towards a black player with the sole intention of winding him up, any argument about the origin of the word or whether it is a 'term of endearment' is irrelevant.
I just cannot believe this is so difficult to understand.
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It's the standard childish forum thing though... there will probably have been one or two people who were doing what GT claims, so he and others then use that to point score against an entire fanbase.
The fact that the majority of us were always discussing the context in which the word was used and that the two situations are completely different is an inconvenient distraction that serves no benefit to the pursuit of a petty forum victory.
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 14 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cutme
I’ve already told you. In a post that you previously replied to no less.
You are tiresome. And obstinate. You should have joined this thread several hours ago. At least then you would have fitted in alongside the idiotic comments of several other Liverpool fans at that time.
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Sorry you feel that way - I’m not trying to be obstinate so apologies if I’ve come across that way. From my understanding, there was no conclusive evidence in the case and was one mans word against another. The FA ruled in favour of Evra. All I’m saying is that without conclusive prove, there will always be always section of people who will say it didn’t happen, so trying to compare these two situations is pointless! Again apologise if that wasn’t clear - I’m not defending Suarez, or even trying to give an opinion on the outcome, just saying (as I think you are) that it’s a completely pointless and non-constructive comparison.
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Anything not condemning Suarez is seen as defending Suarez on these boards. If this had happened outside football, it would be possible to have a more civilised debate without the emotions of football fans. United fans are actually the worst at this because anyone that tries to rationalise anything is immediately accused of defending a racist and being g the slum of the earth blah blah blah. Its pathetic tbh.
You can't say sheet here, just leave it.
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Fans here (United) have also questioned whether Suarez’s comments were racist in nature or not but the context of it being an argument with an opposing player, especially Liverpool & United does not help Suarez’s case.
This Cavani situation is completely different. You can’t seriously be condemning United fans as the worst at this, that and the other on this thread, can you? Some of the Liverpool fans have been totally embarrassing.
Just playing devils advocate here for the good of the forum but I take it no one considers that Suarez may have been telling the truth then?
I mean I've seen people say it was a heated argument (which no one else heard) and we KNOW Evra changed his story three times and was allowed to see the video multiple time before his statement whilst Suarez wasn't and so on. We also know the FA has a 99%+ conviction rate. It could also be said Evra is pretty loud.
I'm just wondering whether that may be a consideration given all the posts about it not being offensive in Uruguay just as Suarez said.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 41 minutes ago
I think that quite a few people massively missed the point. My only laughter is at those that for weeks before the report came out were fixated on the word negerito and had no time for any kind of "defence" of Suarez that Liverpool fans had in terms of the origin of the word, the fact he had used it towards Glen Johnson and that it had different connotations there and here. That was very much the starting point during that whole thing and many United fans focussed on the absolute of not being able to use the word.
Now though.....
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posted on 30/11/20
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Just had a chat with my mother in law, asking her if negrito is a bad word, and its not to her. She said in Spain (and in very much in Cuba) it is used in an affectionate way and in no way offensive or racist.
/closethread
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Out of curiosity, how old is your mother-in-law, and how long is it since she's lived abroad?
I'm asking because there is a fair amount of disagreement on the use of the word and, very broadly speaking, younger Spaniards consider the diminutive to be derogatory while the unmodified word perfectly acceptable.
The reasoning for this is that it is though that the diminutive is added subliminally because in white racist societies, black people were generally considered to be threatening. The softening of the word with the diminutive was used in order to imply that the person in question was not of the threatening kind. In other words, it was well-meaning, but ultimately reflected the underlying notion that it was necessary to clarify that the black person who was being referred to in particular was not 'of the threatening kind'.
Continuing with this train of thought, it should be obvious to anyone that no person can be considered threatening based on skin colour. Therefore the term black should be used rather than its diminutive, in direct correlation with the word 'blanco' and not 'blanquito' used to refer to a white person.
Note that all of this refers to usage in SPAIN and in the case of direct references to the colour of somebody's skin. It is completely separate from the word used as a term of endearment between friends or relations, which is actually very rare in Spain but common in Latin American countries. Further to its use in Latin American countries, it is not even exclusive to people who are actually black - it is fairly common for white men and women to call their own partners negro or negra.
Complicated, isn't it?
posted on 1/12/20
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posted on 1/12/20
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posted on 1/12/20
comment by Poolmyfinger - VAR sucks (U12438)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 7 hours, 7 minutes ago
I have no affinity to either United or Liverpool. So I say the following without bias: The Liverpool fans contributions on this thread (with the notable exception of Welshpool and Naby) has been embarrassing.
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Indeed.
With the exception of Poolmyfinger none of them are idiots either.
Just very odd behaviour really.
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Living in your head rent free
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Nah, just calling it how it is. You aren't very bright - the whole forum knows that
posted on 1/12/20
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posted on 1/12/20
Troy Deeney says he should be banned for more than three games ✊
posted on 1/12/20
With the pressure coming from Kick it out and BLM there is no way he won’t get banned (which would be a disgrace btw)
posted on 1/12/20
Just reading back over the thread and some Liverpool fans have really embarrassed themselves here
posted on 1/12/20
I think Robbing Hoody embarrassed himself the most
posted on 1/12/20
comment by £350k Förtnite Skin (U18355)
posted 32 minutes ago
Just reading back over the thread and some Liverpool fans have really embarrassed themselves here
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This is without doubt one of the most embarrassing threads for a few Liverpool fans, they really have missed the difference between both incidents!
There’s some sad, sad, bitter people!
posted on 1/12/20
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 14 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cutme
I’ve already told you. In a post that you previously replied to no less.
You are tiresome. And obstinate. You should have joined this thread several hours ago. At least then you would have fitted in alongside the idiotic comments of several other Liverpool fans at that time.
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Sorry you feel that way - I’m not trying to be obstinate so apologies if I’ve come across that way. From my understanding, there was no conclusive evidence in the case and was one mans word against another. The FA ruled in favour of Evra. All I’m saying is that without conclusive prove, there will always be always section of people who will say it didn’t happen, so trying to compare these two situations is pointless! Again apologise if that wasn’t clear - I’m not defending Suarez, or even trying to give an opinion on the outcome, just saying (as I think you are) that it’s a completely pointless and non-constructive comparison.
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Anything not condemning Suarez is seen as defending Suarez on these boards. If this had happened outside football, it would be possible to have a more civilised debate without the emotions of football fans. United fans are actually the worst at this because anyone that tries to rationalise anything is immediately accused of defending a racist and being g the slum of the earth blah blah blah. Its pathetic tbh.
You can't say sheet here, just leave it.
posted on 1/12/20
*skum
posted on 1/12/20
Some of the guys crying about this are actually anti BLM, condemned the protesters and that kind of stuff. But Evra played for their club so that one is true.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 14 hours, 27 minutes ago
Your point (which was that one without doubt was said and the other only has the word of one person to verify it) definitely does not stand.
I doubt that you are aware of the facts. If you were you wouldn’t have made the comment that you did a few posts ago. If you actually are aware of the facts and still made your comment, then you’re being an idiot.
I have no affinity to either United or Liverpool. So I say the following without bias: The Liverpool fans contributions on this thread (with the notable exception of Welshpool and Naby) has been embarrassing.
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Days without embarrassing myself: 1 and counting.
posted on 1/12/20
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posted on 1/12/20
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 14 hours, 27 minutes ago
Your point (which was that one without doubt was said and the other only has the word of one person to verify it) definitely does not stand.
I doubt that you are aware of the facts. If you were you wouldn’t have made the comment that you did a few posts ago. If you actually are aware of the facts and still made your comment, then you’re being an idiot.
I have no affinity to either United or Liverpool. So I say the following without bias: The Liverpool fans contributions on this thread (with the notable exception of Welshpool and Naby) has been embarrassing.
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Days without embarrassing myself: 1 and counting.
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He says that all the time about Liverpool fans. I wouldn't pay that much attention tbh.
posted on 1/12/20
If you'd actually made that point GT, sensibly, then perhaps we could have discussed who said that at the time and what the differences were.
You didn't do that though, did you?
Rather than try to make out you were making a sensible point all along, have a read back about how you approached it along with with several other Liverpool fans and you may understand why the comments above are being made.
I don't expect you to hold your hands up so am not going to debate it with you.
It's all there for people to see though - page 7 and 8 being a good example of your contribution.
posted on 1/12/20
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posted on 1/12/20
Its not even a sensible point though. Again, it just completely misses the context in which thr argument was had.
We can accept the word itself can be used without meaning to cause offence. Always have. However, when it is being used towards a black player with the sole intention of winding him up, any argument about the origin of the word or whether it is a 'term of endearment' is irrelevant.
I just cannot believe this is so difficult to understand.
posted on 1/12/20
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posted on 1/12/20
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
Its not even a sensible point though. Again, it just completely misses the context in which thr argument was had.
We can accept the word itself can be used without meaning to cause offence. Always have. However, when it is being used towards a black player with the sole intention of winding him up, any argument about the origin of the word or whether it is a 'term of endearment' is irrelevant.
I just cannot believe this is so difficult to understand.
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It's the standard childish forum thing though... there will probably have been one or two people who were doing what GT claims, so he and others then use that to point score against an entire fanbase.
The fact that the majority of us were always discussing the context in which the word was used and that the two situations are completely different is an inconvenient distraction that serves no benefit to the pursuit of a petty forum victory.
posted on 1/12/20
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posted on 1/12/20
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 14 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cutme
I’ve already told you. In a post that you previously replied to no less.
You are tiresome. And obstinate. You should have joined this thread several hours ago. At least then you would have fitted in alongside the idiotic comments of several other Liverpool fans at that time.
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Sorry you feel that way - I’m not trying to be obstinate so apologies if I’ve come across that way. From my understanding, there was no conclusive evidence in the case and was one mans word against another. The FA ruled in favour of Evra. All I’m saying is that without conclusive prove, there will always be always section of people who will say it didn’t happen, so trying to compare these two situations is pointless! Again apologise if that wasn’t clear - I’m not defending Suarez, or even trying to give an opinion on the outcome, just saying (as I think you are) that it’s a completely pointless and non-constructive comparison.
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Anything not condemning Suarez is seen as defending Suarez on these boards. If this had happened outside football, it would be possible to have a more civilised debate without the emotions of football fans. United fans are actually the worst at this because anyone that tries to rationalise anything is immediately accused of defending a racist and being g the slum of the earth blah blah blah. Its pathetic tbh.
You can't say sheet here, just leave it.
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Fans here (United) have also questioned whether Suarez’s comments were racist in nature or not but the context of it being an argument with an opposing player, especially Liverpool & United does not help Suarez’s case.
This Cavani situation is completely different. You can’t seriously be condemning United fans as the worst at this, that and the other on this thread, can you? Some of the Liverpool fans have been totally embarrassing.
posted on 1/12/20
Just playing devils advocate here for the good of the forum but I take it no one considers that Suarez may have been telling the truth then?
I mean I've seen people say it was a heated argument (which no one else heard) and we KNOW Evra changed his story three times and was allowed to see the video multiple time before his statement whilst Suarez wasn't and so on. We also know the FA has a 99%+ conviction rate. It could also be said Evra is pretty loud.
I'm just wondering whether that may be a consideration given all the posts about it not being offensive in Uruguay just as Suarez said.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 41 minutes ago
I think that quite a few people massively missed the point. My only laughter is at those that for weeks before the report came out were fixated on the word negerito and had no time for any kind of "defence" of Suarez that Liverpool fans had in terms of the origin of the word, the fact he had used it towards Glen Johnson and that it had different connotations there and here. That was very much the starting point during that whole thing and many United fans focussed on the absolute of not being able to use the word.
Now though.....
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Hard to disagree with this.
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