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Not sure what your point is around the Chelsea game. Everyone knows they had it worse than us at that point and you won't find anyone say otherwise.
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funny, i don't remember either too many chelsea players posting articles whining about it, or too many liverpool fans offering them any sympathy at the time.
and it does put into perspective the whole "aren't we amazing to be "joint top" with all our injuries?", when you've had fewer issues than many of your opponents this season.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
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pereira at leicester hasn't played once this season, soyuncu has played 4 of 10 PL matches, vs leeds they were missing their entire back 4.
aguero has started 2 matches, they beat burnley 5-0 missing laporte, sterling, and aguero, with fernandinho on the bench.
i asked earlier, when you played at stamford bridge, which team was missing more players? pulisic was chelsea's best player last year, he has played 2 of their 10 PL matches.
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Nobody has disputed that, everyone knows Leicester have had injury problems, that's been well documented as well.
I'm sure both Pep and Rodgers were agreeing with Klopp to have more substitutions to prevent this issue.
This is literally the point.
Games missed through injury:
Alisson 2/10 (injured)
TAA 2/10 (injured)
Gomez 2/10 (out for season)
VVD 5/10 (out for season)
Matip 5/10
Fabinho 2/10
Hendo 2/10
Thiago 8/10 (injured)
Ox 10/10 (injured)
Keita 4/10 (injured)
Milner 0/10 (injured)
Salah 1/10
Mane 1/10
Shaqiri 2/10 (injured)
Really don't know how you can say it's overblown when looking at the above we've been massively affected everywhere other than attack.
but presumably the PL agreed to all this before the season started? they must have all sat down, realised that this year would be uniquely challenging, and agreed to it?
if they wanted to bin the carabao cup, they could have agreed to do so. internationals are the bane of every club manager, but they're not going away.
so what is the point? the euros is next summer, there's a lot of football to play before then, players will get injured more than usual...and?
as naby says, take away 2-3 unfortunate impact injuries - vvd, gomez, thiago - your injury situation has been no worse than would be expected. it's just bad luck you've lost those players as you did - or bad refereeing, your call - but nothing really to do with the schedule.
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Really don't know how you can say it's overblown when looking at the above we've been massively affected everywhere other than attack.
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except if you'd actually bought a 4th choice CB - rather than selling off lovren and hoever and replacing neither of them - then fabinho could have played 8 games out of 10 in midfield, henderson 8, and wijnaldum 10.
most people would look at that list and say that they'd accept ox missing every game of the season if mane and salah were available for 90% of your games (and firmino and jota - left off your list - for 100% of them)
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I'm sure Chelsea didn't do that as it was one game.
Really weird comparison.
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right, but for mane it's one game. for salah one game. for firmino, jota, robertson, and wijnaldum zero games.
let's face it, the big issue is that you went into the weirdest and most demanding season ever with 3 senior CBs - 2 of them being somewhat injury prone - and were then forced to play fabinho at CB when 2 of them got injured. presumably klopp was happy with that all along, and that's why you didn't pick up another CB.
so for sure it's unfortunate that you lose 2 CBs to long-term injuries, but some of these problems are of your own making.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
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Games missed through injury:
Alisson 2/10 (injured)
TAA 2/10 (injured)
Gomez 2/10 (out for season)
VVD 5/10 (out for season)
Matip 5/10
Fabinho 2/10
Hendo 2/10
Thiago 8/10 (injured)
Ox 10/10 (injured)
Keita 4/10 (injured)
Milner 0/10 (injured)
Salah 1/10
Mane 1/10
Shaqiri 2/10 (injured)
Really don't know how you can say it's overblown when looking at the above we've been massively affected everywhere other than attack.
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Including Salah and Mane is incredibly disingenuous fyi
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Muscle injuries are up 23% this season but its nothing to do with the schedule?
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i said that "your injury situation has been no worse than would be expected", which includes the demands of a uniquely challenging schedule.
but we all knew this before the season kicked off. we even had a staggered start to the season - which i've never seen before - because some clubs had no real pre-season. that was clearly unfair on those clubs - especially when an international break effectively brought forward their seasons - but you all seemed happy enough with that at the time.
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
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Games missed through injury:
Alisson 2/10 (injured)
TAA 2/10 (injured)
Gomez 2/10 (out for season)
VVD 5/10 (out for season)
Matip 5/10
Fabinho 2/10
Hendo 2/10
Thiago 8/10 (injured)
Ox 10/10 (injured)
Keita 4/10 (injured)
Milner 0/10 (injured)
Salah 1/10
Mane 1/10
Shaqiri 2/10 (injured)
Really don't know how you can say it's overblown when looking at the above we've been massively affected everywhere other than attack.
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Including Salah and Mane is incredibly disingenuous fyi
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I was purely listing who's missed games due to something not related to rotation.
Covid might not be an injury, but players missing due to Covid will have a knock on effect where someone who may have been planned to be rested now has to play.
I think the short summer played a bigger part than the fixtures.
The recent fixture run hasn't been any worse than Christmas usually, has it?
In my opinion it's too soon for the volume of fixtures to be playing a big part, and think it's more likely to be preparation.
Would five subs solve it?
Debatable, but the one part of Klopp's complaints I don't understand is why subbing two players off with less about 5 minutes to go would make a huge difference.
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Games missed through injury:
Alisson 2/10 (injured)
TAA 2/10 (injured)
Gomez 2/10 (out for season)
VVD 5/10 (out for season)
Matip 5/10
Fabinho 2/10
Hendo 2/10
Thiago 8/10 (injured)
Ox 10/10 (injured)
Keita 4/10 (injured)
Milner 0/10 (injured)
Salah 1/10
Mane 1/10
Shaqiri 2/10 (injured)
Really don't know how you can say it's overblown when looking at the above we've been massively affected everywhere other than attack.
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Including Salah and Mane is incredibly disingenuous fyi
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I was purely listing who's missed games due to something not related to rotation.
Covid might not be an injury, but players missing due to Covid will have a knock on effect where someone who may have been planned to be rested now has to play.
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Because if we are talking about injury issues or as you put ‘games missed through injury’ due to an illness protocol is illogical and conjecture in the general argument. It’s heavily plausible that Klopp would have tested Salah or Mane for a game anyway.
But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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Gary Neville got sacked for nearly relegating Valencia, probably the fourth biggest club in Spain. Not sure he knows much about management. I'm sure Klopp, multiple trophy winner, with a diploma in Sports Science, knows a thing or two, on the topic.
Neville seemed very selective with his stats.
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Hasn't Klopp got form for running players into the ground?
Didn't always go well for him as manager either. Probably why he went to LFC tbh. Had he been at the top of his game he probably would have said no
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He already said no to United due to them being a soulless business rather than a football club. Sorry
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Job was too big for him during his "break"
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Maybe, turning that sh1tshow back into anything that resembles a football club is a massive task. Did the right thing joining us and making us the Prem, European and World champs. Smart man.
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Was on a win win there. They hadn't done owt for 30 years
Rodgers had done the hard work
It was inevitable Liverpool would start getting injuries at some stage given how they’ve been run into the ground the last few years.
I don’t think the schedule is that big a reason for their problems. Especially when two of their serious injuries had nothing to do with it.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It was inevitable Liverpool would start getting injuries at some stage given how they’ve been run into the ground the last few years.
I don’t think the schedule is that big a reason for their problems. Especially when two of their serious injuries had nothing to do with it.
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So what is it to do with then?
Anybody who thinks the injury problem is solely down to the way they play has 1) not seen them play for a couple of years now and 2) very naïve.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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Well where is your line drawn then? Including players dropped for form? Players dropped for a rest? Players dropped for tactical reasons? Players who miss a game due to their wives giving birth?
I think it makes sense that you include players with an injury in the injury list.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
Anybody who thinks the injury problem is solely down to the way they play has 1) not seen them play for a couple of years now and 2) very naïve.
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A foul by Pickford and Gomez landing awkwardly.
Teams getting injuries after a sustained period of peds and intense football for many years are a common theme in football. Just look at Pep’s teams. Similar thing happened at Dortmund. It wasn’t a case of if with Liverpool, but when.
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
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But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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Well where is your line drawn then? Including players dropped for form? Players dropped for a rest? Players dropped for tactical reasons? Players who miss a game due to their wives giving birth?
I think it makes sense that you include players with an injury in the injury list.
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But dropping a player for form or tactical reasons is literally in no way similar to missing a game due to Covid.
It's not like it was Klopp's choice is it?
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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Not sure what your point is around the Chelsea game. Everyone knows they had it worse than us at that point and you won't find anyone say otherwise.
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funny, i don't remember either too many chelsea players posting articles whining about it, or too many liverpool fans offering them any sympathy at the time.
and it does put into perspective the whole "aren't we amazing to be "joint top" with all our injuries?", when you've had fewer issues than many of your opponents this season.
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comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 minutes ago
pereira at leicester hasn't played once this season, soyuncu has played 4 of 10 PL matches, vs leeds they were missing their entire back 4.
aguero has started 2 matches, they beat burnley 5-0 missing laporte, sterling, and aguero, with fernandinho on the bench.
i asked earlier, when you played at stamford bridge, which team was missing more players? pulisic was chelsea's best player last year, he has played 2 of their 10 PL matches.
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Nobody has disputed that, everyone knows Leicester have had injury problems, that's been well documented as well.
I'm sure both Pep and Rodgers were agreeing with Klopp to have more substitutions to prevent this issue.
This is literally the point.
posted on 4/12/20
Games missed through injury:
Alisson 2/10 (injured)
TAA 2/10 (injured)
Gomez 2/10 (out for season)
VVD 5/10 (out for season)
Matip 5/10
Fabinho 2/10
Hendo 2/10
Thiago 8/10 (injured)
Ox 10/10 (injured)
Keita 4/10 (injured)
Milner 0/10 (injured)
Salah 1/10
Mane 1/10
Shaqiri 2/10 (injured)
Really don't know how you can say it's overblown when looking at the above we've been massively affected everywhere other than attack.
posted on 4/12/20
but presumably the PL agreed to all this before the season started? they must have all sat down, realised that this year would be uniquely challenging, and agreed to it?
if they wanted to bin the carabao cup, they could have agreed to do so. internationals are the bane of every club manager, but they're not going away.
so what is the point? the euros is next summer, there's a lot of football to play before then, players will get injured more than usual...and?
as naby says, take away 2-3 unfortunate impact injuries - vvd, gomez, thiago - your injury situation has been no worse than would be expected. it's just bad luck you've lost those players as you did - or bad refereeing, your call - but nothing really to do with the schedule.
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You can't really judge fans based on this forum alone. Certain groups are worse than others for sure, but that isn't representative of the club.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
Really don't know how you can say it's overblown when looking at the above we've been massively affected everywhere other than attack.
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except if you'd actually bought a 4th choice CB - rather than selling off lovren and hoever and replacing neither of them - then fabinho could have played 8 games out of 10 in midfield, henderson 8, and wijnaldum 10.
most people would look at that list and say that they'd accept ox missing every game of the season if mane and salah were available for 90% of your games (and firmino and jota - left off your list - for 100% of them)
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get
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I'm sure Chelsea didn't do that as it was one game.
Really weird comparison.
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right, but for mane it's one game. for salah one game. for firmino, jota, robertson, and wijnaldum zero games.
let's face it, the big issue is that you went into the weirdest and most demanding season ever with 3 senior CBs - 2 of them being somewhat injury prone - and were then forced to play fabinho at CB when 2 of them got injured. presumably klopp was happy with that all along, and that's why you didn't pick up another CB.
so for sure it's unfortunate that you lose 2 CBs to long-term injuries, but some of these problems are of your own making.
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 9 minutes ago
Games missed through injury:
Alisson 2/10 (injured)
TAA 2/10 (injured)
Gomez 2/10 (out for season)
VVD 5/10 (out for season)
Matip 5/10
Fabinho 2/10
Hendo 2/10
Thiago 8/10 (injured)
Ox 10/10 (injured)
Keita 4/10 (injured)
Milner 0/10 (injured)
Salah 1/10
Mane 1/10
Shaqiri 2/10 (injured)
Really don't know how you can say it's overblown when looking at the above we've been massively affected everywhere other than attack.
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Including Salah and Mane is incredibly disingenuous fyi
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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Muscle injuries are up 23% this season but its nothing to do with the schedule?
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i said that "your injury situation has been no worse than would be expected", which includes the demands of a uniquely challenging schedule.
but we all knew this before the season kicked off. we even had a staggered start to the season - which i've never seen before - because some clubs had no real pre-season. that was clearly unfair on those clubs - especially when an international break effectively brought forward their seasons - but you all seemed happy enough with that at the time.
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 9 minutes ago
Games missed through injury:
Alisson 2/10 (injured)
TAA 2/10 (injured)
Gomez 2/10 (out for season)
VVD 5/10 (out for season)
Matip 5/10
Fabinho 2/10
Hendo 2/10
Thiago 8/10 (injured)
Ox 10/10 (injured)
Keita 4/10 (injured)
Milner 0/10 (injured)
Salah 1/10
Mane 1/10
Shaqiri 2/10 (injured)
Really don't know how you can say it's overblown when looking at the above we've been massively affected everywhere other than attack.
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Including Salah and Mane is incredibly disingenuous fyi
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I was purely listing who's missed games due to something not related to rotation.
Covid might not be an injury, but players missing due to Covid will have a knock on effect where someone who may have been planned to be rested now has to play.
posted on 4/12/20
I think the short summer played a bigger part than the fixtures.
The recent fixture run hasn't been any worse than Christmas usually, has it?
In my opinion it's too soon for the volume of fixtures to be playing a big part, and think it's more likely to be preparation.
Would five subs solve it?
Debatable, but the one part of Klopp's complaints I don't understand is why subbing two players off with less about 5 minutes to go would make a huge difference.
posted on 4/12/20
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 9 minutes ago
Games missed through injury:
Alisson 2/10 (injured)
TAA 2/10 (injured)
Gomez 2/10 (out for season)
VVD 5/10 (out for season)
Matip 5/10
Fabinho 2/10
Hendo 2/10
Thiago 8/10 (injured)
Ox 10/10 (injured)
Keita 4/10 (injured)
Milner 0/10 (injured)
Salah 1/10
Mane 1/10
Shaqiri 2/10 (injured)
Really don't know how you can say it's overblown when looking at the above we've been massively affected everywhere other than attack.
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Including Salah and Mane is incredibly disingenuous fyi
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I was purely listing who's missed games due to something not related to rotation.
Covid might not be an injury, but players missing due to Covid will have a knock on effect where someone who may have been planned to be rested now has to play.
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Because if we are talking about injury issues or as you put ‘games missed through injury’ due to an illness protocol is illogical and conjecture in the general argument. It’s heavily plausible that Klopp would have tested Salah or Mane for a game anyway.
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But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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Gary Neville got sacked for nearly relegating Valencia, probably the fourth biggest club in Spain. Not sure he knows much about management. I'm sure Klopp, multiple trophy winner, with a diploma in Sports Science, knows a thing or two, on the topic.
Neville seemed very selective with his stats.
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Hasn't Klopp got form for running players into the ground?
Didn't always go well for him as manager either. Probably why he went to LFC tbh. Had he been at the top of his game he probably would have said no
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He already said no to United due to them being a soulless business rather than a football club. Sorry
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Job was too big for him during his "break"
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Maybe, turning that sh1tshow back into anything that resembles a football club is a massive task. Did the right thing joining us and making us the Prem, European and World champs. Smart man.
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Was on a win win there. They hadn't done owt for 30 years
Rodgers had done the hard work
posted on 4/12/20
It was inevitable Liverpool would start getting injuries at some stage given how they’ve been run into the ground the last few years.
I don’t think the schedule is that big a reason for their problems. Especially when two of their serious injuries had nothing to do with it.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It was inevitable Liverpool would start getting injuries at some stage given how they’ve been run into the ground the last few years.
I don’t think the schedule is that big a reason for their problems. Especially when two of their serious injuries had nothing to do with it.
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So what is it to do with then?
Anybody who thinks the injury problem is solely down to the way they play has 1) not seen them play for a couple of years now and 2) very naïve.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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Well where is your line drawn then? Including players dropped for form? Players dropped for a rest? Players dropped for tactical reasons? Players who miss a game due to their wives giving birth?
I think it makes sense that you include players with an injury in the injury list.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
Anybody who thinks the injury problem is solely down to the way they play has 1) not seen them play for a couple of years now and 2) very naïve.
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shots fired darren.
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A foul by Pickford and Gomez landing awkwardly.
Teams getting injuries after a sustained period of peds and intense football for many years are a common theme in football. Just look at Pep’s teams. Similar thing happened at Dortmund. It wasn’t a case of if with Liverpool, but when.
posted on 4/12/20
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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Well where is your line drawn then? Including players dropped for form? Players dropped for a rest? Players dropped for tactical reasons? Players who miss a game due to their wives giving birth?
I think it makes sense that you include players with an injury in the injury list.
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But dropping a player for form or tactical reasons is literally in no way similar to missing a game due to Covid.
It's not like it was Klopp's choice is it?
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