comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It was inevitable Liverpool would start getting injuries at some stage given how they’ve been run into the ground the last few years.
I don’t think the schedule is that big a reason for their problems. Especially when two of their serious injuries had nothing to do with it.
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So what is it to do with then?
Anybody who thinks the injury problem is solely down to the way they play has 1) not seen them play for a couple of years now and 2) very naïve.
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There is literally available opta data showcasing Liverpool near the top of the leave for distance covered, sprints and pressure retains most seasons. Additionally Liverpool are at/near the top of the league for games played last three seasons.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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Well where is your line drawn then? Including players dropped for form? Players dropped for a rest? Players dropped for tactical reasons? Players who miss a game due to their wives giving birth?
I think it makes sense that you include players with an injury in the injury list.
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But dropping a player for form or tactical reasons is literally in no way similar to missing a game due to Covid.
It's not like it was Klopp's choice is it?
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You are right, they aren’t the same. Much like they aren’t the same as missing games due to injuries. How are you struggling to understand this?
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It was inevitable Liverpool would start getting injuries at some stage given how they’ve been run into the ground the last few years.
I don’t think the schedule is that big a reason for their problems. Especially when two of their serious injuries had nothing to do with it.
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So what is it to do with then?
Anybody who thinks the injury problem is solely down to the way they play has 1) not seen them play for a couple of years now and 2) very naïve.
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There is literally available opta data showcasing Liverpool near the top of the leave for distance covered, sprints and pressure retains most seasons. Additionally Liverpool are at/near the top of the league for games played last three seasons.
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Yeah exactly, the last 3 seasons. So it's not a new thing to the players is it, they've been training this way since Klopp arrived.
A lot of injuries were sustained during the Christmas period after Klopp took over in October, that was maybe a result of his training methods and the players not use to that intensity during that time.
This is different. This isn't the intensity catching up with the players, the volume of injuries was not like this last season, of even the season before that. The muscle injuries are a result of this season and nothing has been done to compensate for that, hence why there have been so many injuries.
It isn't just down to Klopp's training methods or his intensity, it comes down to the unusual volume of games as well, it's crippling.
It’s like speaking to a brick wall at times
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 56 seconds ago
It’s like speaking to a brick wall at times
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It isn't just down to Klopp's training methods or his intensity, it comes down to the unusual volume of games as well, it's crippling.
Read this part.
Covid is probably a bigger factor. The club won’t be giving the players as many peds, due to the stress on the heart, and the risks that covid could have on professional athletes.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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Well where is your line drawn then? Including players dropped for form? Players dropped for a rest? Players dropped for tactical reasons? Players who miss a game due to their wives giving birth?
I think it makes sense that you include players with an injury in the injury list.
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But dropping a player for form or tactical reasons is literally in no way similar to missing a game due to Covid.
It's not like it was Klopp's choice is it?
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You are right, they aren’t the same. Much like they aren’t the same as missing games due to injuries. How are you struggling to understand this?
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Because Covid, like an injury, is out of both the players' and managers' control.
I don't even know why you're so hung up on the Mane and Salah Covid part, when I even said attack is the one area where we haven't been badly affected.
Are we not factoring in the long rest because of covid?
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Crippling?
Bit of an exaggeration.
Compared with 18/19 there have been 22 more muscle injuries this season at the same stage.
Clearly it's had an effect but let's not talk as if players are dropping like flies.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 55 seconds ago
Are we not factoring in the long rest because of covid?
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No. Consideration of the players have a few months off in the main part of last season isn't allowed as it goes against the 'no off-season' rhetoric being pounded out by Liverpool fans.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
Covid is probably a bigger factor. The club won’t be giving the players as many peds, due to the stress on the heart, and the risks that covid could have on professional athletes.
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this article was pretty short on actual evidence, but it amused me anyway:
http://backpagefootball.com/why-liverpool-wont-win-the-premier-league-this-season/126313/
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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Well where is your line drawn then? Including players dropped for form? Players dropped for a rest? Players dropped for tactical reasons? Players who miss a game due to their wives giving birth?
I think it makes sense that you include players with an injury in the injury list.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But dropping a player for form or tactical reasons is literally in no way similar to missing a game due to Covid.
It's not like it was Klopp's choice is it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are right, they aren’t the same. Much like they aren’t the same as missing games due to injuries. How are you struggling to understand this?
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Because Covid, like an injury, is out of both the players' and managers' control.
I don't even know why you're so hung up on the Mane and Salah Covid part, when I even said attack is the one area where we haven't been badly affected.
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Would you have included the same players if one of their missus’s was giving birth - that’s out of peoples control as well. What about if a player was too afraid to fly ala Bergkamp? Bad stats
The Liverpool player ‘asthma’ anomaly is pretty hilarious PEDs are such a huge part of the game and all teams do it or have played who do; it’s just some teams dope better than others
Seems about right, Don.
Klopp and Pep’s teams are well known to be among the biggest abusers of peds in the sport. People just don’t want to hear it.
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The football authorities don’t want to prove the use of peds in the football. It would completely damage the sport.
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comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 42 minutes ago
Seems about right, Don.
Klopp and Pep’s teams are well known to be among the biggest abusers of peds in the sport. People just don’t want to hear it.
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How do you know?
But it’s not really like that. As football isn’t that heavily regulated it’s not like they’re breaking the rules (though I’m sure plenty are). There’s plenty of things written about it. But football does a very good job of keeping it out of the headlines. It doesn’t actually bother me, but many like to pretend that football is above it, when it’s actively encouraged.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 17 seconds ago
The football authorities don’t want to prove the use of peds in the football. It would completely damage the sport.
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And not a single whistle blower who could sell the story for hundreds of thousands to a tabloid. Strange.
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Yeah, that explains Lamela's long absence and Kolo Toure's magic pills
Yeah football is the sport with the worst drug regulations and as a result the fewest scandals. Plus many high profile doctors have proven how easy it is to bypass the PED system - the sport with the most money can then easily pay to bypass testing
Out of curiosity greatteams, when you body transformations in such a short amount of time like Goretzka’s do you think ‘yeah that seems legit’?
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 19 minutes ago
Out of curiosity greatteams, when you body transformations in such a short amount of time like Goretzka’s do you think ‘yeah that seems legit’?
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He has never heard of Goretzka, so no clue.
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posted on 4/12/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It was inevitable Liverpool would start getting injuries at some stage given how they’ve been run into the ground the last few years.
I don’t think the schedule is that big a reason for their problems. Especially when two of their serious injuries had nothing to do with it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what is it to do with then?
Anybody who thinks the injury problem is solely down to the way they play has 1) not seen them play for a couple of years now and 2) very naïve.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is literally available opta data showcasing Liverpool near the top of the leave for distance covered, sprints and pressure retains most seasons. Additionally Liverpool are at/near the top of the league for games played last three seasons.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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Well where is your line drawn then? Including players dropped for form? Players dropped for a rest? Players dropped for tactical reasons? Players who miss a game due to their wives giving birth?
I think it makes sense that you include players with an injury in the injury list.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But dropping a player for form or tactical reasons is literally in no way similar to missing a game due to Covid.
It's not like it was Klopp's choice is it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are right, they aren’t the same. Much like they aren’t the same as missing games due to injuries. How are you struggling to understand this?
posted on 4/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It was inevitable Liverpool would start getting injuries at some stage given how they’ve been run into the ground the last few years.
I don’t think the schedule is that big a reason for their problems. Especially when two of their serious injuries had nothing to do with it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what is it to do with then?
Anybody who thinks the injury problem is solely down to the way they play has 1) not seen them play for a couple of years now and 2) very naïve.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is literally available opta data showcasing Liverpool near the top of the leave for distance covered, sprints and pressure retains most seasons. Additionally Liverpool are at/near the top of the league for games played last three seasons.
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Yeah exactly, the last 3 seasons. So it's not a new thing to the players is it, they've been training this way since Klopp arrived.
A lot of injuries were sustained during the Christmas period after Klopp took over in October, that was maybe a result of his training methods and the players not use to that intensity during that time.
This is different. This isn't the intensity catching up with the players, the volume of injuries was not like this last season, of even the season before that. The muscle injuries are a result of this season and nothing has been done to compensate for that, hence why there have been so many injuries.
It isn't just down to Klopp's training methods or his intensity, it comes down to the unusual volume of games as well, it's crippling.
posted on 4/12/20
It’s like speaking to a brick wall at times
posted on 4/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 56 seconds ago
It’s like speaking to a brick wall at times
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It isn't just down to Klopp's training methods or his intensity, it comes down to the unusual volume of games as well, it's crippling.
Read this part.
posted on 4/12/20
Covid is probably a bigger factor. The club won’t be giving the players as many peds, due to the stress on the heart, and the risks that covid could have on professional athletes.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well where is your line drawn then? Including players dropped for form? Players dropped for a rest? Players dropped for tactical reasons? Players who miss a game due to their wives giving birth?
I think it makes sense that you include players with an injury in the injury list.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But dropping a player for form or tactical reasons is literally in no way similar to missing a game due to Covid.
It's not like it was Klopp's choice is it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are right, they aren’t the same. Much like they aren’t the same as missing games due to injuries. How are you struggling to understand this?
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Because Covid, like an injury, is out of both the players' and managers' control.
I don't even know why you're so hung up on the Mane and Salah Covid part, when I even said attack is the one area where we haven't been badly affected.
posted on 4/12/20
Are we not factoring in the long rest because of covid?
posted on 4/12/20
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posted on 4/12/20
Crippling?
Bit of an exaggeration.
Compared with 18/19 there have been 22 more muscle injuries this season at the same stage.
Clearly it's had an effect but let's not talk as if players are dropping like flies.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 55 seconds ago
Are we not factoring in the long rest because of covid?
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No. Consideration of the players have a few months off in the main part of last season isn't allowed as it goes against the 'no off-season' rhetoric being pounded out by Liverpool fans.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
Covid is probably a bigger factor. The club won’t be giving the players as many peds, due to the stress on the heart, and the risks that covid could have on professional athletes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this article was pretty short on actual evidence, but it amused me anyway:
http://backpagefootball.com/why-liverpool-wont-win-the-premier-league-this-season/126313/
posted on 4/12/20
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posted on 4/12/20
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
But it's no different to a minor injury given it means you can't even do training for 10 days/2 weeks no?
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Well where is your line drawn then? Including players dropped for form? Players dropped for a rest? Players dropped for tactical reasons? Players who miss a game due to their wives giving birth?
I think it makes sense that you include players with an injury in the injury list.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But dropping a player for form or tactical reasons is literally in no way similar to missing a game due to Covid.
It's not like it was Klopp's choice is it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are right, they aren’t the same. Much like they aren’t the same as missing games due to injuries. How are you struggling to understand this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because Covid, like an injury, is out of both the players' and managers' control.
I don't even know why you're so hung up on the Mane and Salah Covid part, when I even said attack is the one area where we haven't been badly affected.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you have included the same players if one of their missus’s was giving birth - that’s out of peoples control as well. What about if a player was too afraid to fly ala Bergkamp? Bad stats
posted on 4/12/20
The Liverpool player ‘asthma’ anomaly is pretty hilarious PEDs are such a huge part of the game and all teams do it or have played who do; it’s just some teams dope better than others
posted on 4/12/20
Seems about right, Don.
Klopp and Pep’s teams are well known to be among the biggest abusers of peds in the sport. People just don’t want to hear it.
posted on 4/12/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 4/12/20
The football authorities don’t want to prove the use of peds in the football. It would completely damage the sport.
posted on 4/12/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 4/12/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 42 minutes ago
Seems about right, Don.
Klopp and Pep’s teams are well known to be among the biggest abusers of peds in the sport. People just don’t want to hear it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you know?
posted on 4/12/20
But it’s not really like that. As football isn’t that heavily regulated it’s not like they’re breaking the rules (though I’m sure plenty are). There’s plenty of things written about it. But football does a very good job of keeping it out of the headlines. It doesn’t actually bother me, but many like to pretend that football is above it, when it’s actively encouraged.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 17 seconds ago
The football authorities don’t want to prove the use of peds in the football. It would completely damage the sport.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And not a single whistle blower who could sell the story for hundreds of thousands to a tabloid. Strange.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, that explains Lamela's long absence and Kolo Toure's magic pills
posted on 4/12/20
Yeah football is the sport with the worst drug regulations and as a result the fewest scandals. Plus many high profile doctors have proven how easy it is to bypass the PED system - the sport with the most money can then easily pay to bypass testing
posted on 4/12/20
Out of curiosity greatteams, when you body transformations in such a short amount of time like Goretzka’s do you think ‘yeah that seems legit’?
posted on 4/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 19 minutes ago
Out of curiosity greatteams, when you body transformations in such a short amount of time like Goretzka’s do you think ‘yeah that seems legit’?
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He has never heard of Goretzka, so no clue.
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