Also, was Mancini really professional, and knew how to protect his club, when he publicly showed his anger toward Tevez in the interview right after the match? Was it also because he's so frustrated with a bad loss to his star-studded side that he just wanted to blame someone ?
Mancini had a game plan of which Tevez was a major part, he had every right to be angry and you'd be hard pressed to find any City fan that would condemn his outburst.
Or you could say that just occasionally the media get it right rather than getting your rocks off by just being contrary and wanting a monty python discussion.
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 6 minutes ago
Or you could say that just occasionally the media get it right rather than getting your rocks off by just being contrary and wanting a monty python discussion.
--------------
So you're all for the media painting your club in such a bad light. Every man and his dog is criticising your club, your players, owners, the wages being paid, the egos in your club etc. You welcome all of this?
The British media were ALL OVER this story like a rash. Couldnt wait to get stuck into your club and condemn every single aspect of your club when last week, they were praised your club to the hilt. They were looking for something negative to happen and lo and behold. Tevez & Mancini obliged.
The media are solidly behind the club on this one.
That's not really true is it Mr Chelsea. Mancini has received a lot of positives from the media (and opposition fans) in light of this incident. The overwhelming opinion being that Tevez (not Mancini, not the owners, or the club) is to blame here. Even to the extent that there are not many who have really paid any notice to Tevez' (apparant) side of things.
To ask whether we "welcome all of this", well, no - obviously we'd rather it hadn't happened at all.
Mr Chelsea perhaps you should be more concerned with the media, chelsea and Lampard ....just a thought.
As boris said, the media are fully supportive of City and very concerned about how this will reflect on footballers (it has nothing to do with selling papaer .....honest)
Mancini had a game plan of which Tevez was a major part, he had every right to be angry and you'd be hard pressed to find any City fan that would condemn his outburst.
----
Then it's surely a communication issue for Mancini not to let Tevez understanding his role when putting him on the bench. Did Tevez react if he was to replace Dzeko? Whatever gameplan reason you could think of, definitely one thing was that the player did not understand/agree with Mancini.
Do you think Tevez would react like that if he's under Fergie, Wenger.... AND if Fergie, Wenger ... publicly criticized one player (that did not play, even if he'd refused) right after the loss ?
Not trying to WUM here lads so no need to pipe up LEE1PEN
Just saying how I see it. I saw the media on Tuesday get all giddy and excited about what happened and couldnt wait to get stuck into you and condemn every single aspect of your club. For what its worth. Tevez & his agent have to take the majority of the blame for this. Your club have given Tevez far too much leeway and his latest stunt is probably the nail in the coffin but the media reaction to it is mindblowing.
Was there this much fuss when Modric refused to play for Spurs? Albeit he did tell Harry before the game but stil he refused to play.
"Then it's surely a communication issue for Mancini not to let Tevez understanding his role when putting him on the bench"
Are you being serious? Tevez understanding his role when being put on the bench should be obvious even to the most naive, most intellectually-challenged footballer...
b4fun (U11023)
I didn't realise tht "Go and warm up" was such a complex instruction.
"I saw the media on Tuesday get all giddy and excited about what happened and couldnt wait to get stuck into you and condemn every single aspect of your club."
Really? Then you'll have absolutely no problem citing numerous examples (from Tuesday night onwards) whereby "every single aspect of our club has been condemned".
Really? Then you'll have absolutely no problem citing numerous examples (from Tuesday night onwards) whereby "every single aspect of our club has been condemned".
--------
Just listening to radio stations and news broadcasts mate, saying "they have too many top class players at the club" "this is the problem when you buy a load of superstars" "egos are hard to control"
Have you missed all of this or have I been imagining this?
The media will always fire up a story which they think will give them good headlines. In this case,. There was a reaction needed due to what Tevez did but the amount of coverage it got in my opinion was excessive.
Mr Chelsea
Was there this much fuss when Modric refused to play for Spurs? Albeit he did tell Harry before the game but stil he refused to play.
===============================================
It was not a public refusal in the same respects as Tevez, and Harry made this statement which doesn't mention he refused.
Luka Modric will not face Manchester United on Monday night because "his head's not in the right place", according to Spurs boss Harry Redknapp.
Mr Chelsea, not quite sure how that shows that every single aspect of our club has been condemned.
Ripley, Not every single aspect. I went too far there.
You should become a journalist mate
Do you find the coverage of this has been excessive?
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
"Then it's surely a communication issue for Mancini not to let Tevez understanding his role when putting him on the bench"
Are you being serious? Tevez understanding his role when being put on the bench should be obvious even to the most naive, most intellectually-challenged footballer...
-------------------------------------
Esepcially given that he has been a sub for West Ham, Man Utd and Argentina. You'd think by now he'd understand the difference between being told to wamr up and being told to go n the pitch.
Besides, if you were in that position whereby Mancini had gestured to you and you weren't sure of what he was asking, wouldn't you just simply ask him to clarify?!
The guy is an idiot. I always thought he was a very thick individual (hence why Kia has such a hold over him, why he issues so many contradictory statements, and why he still can't speak English). Can't wait until he leaves.
there was no misunderstanding b4fun, tevez has been a sub many times for west ham, manchester united and city, he knows how it works.
Even his close friend Zabaleta has said that carlos just didnt want to play. The truth is tevez is very selfish person, he is only out for himself. he would have done the same thing to fergie, wenger or mourinho and i'm pretty sure they would have reacted in the same way as mancini. there is only one person to blame in this and its tevez! not city, not mancini, not his team mates! just tevez!
the media are all over this not because its city, its because its pretty unbelieavble that this happened! its sensational news. its different to the modric situation because you only have peoples word for it, you never saw the refusal. with tevez you did see it quite clearly. he admitted it himself, only to change his story the next day, when his lawyers advised him to.
and now it seems city have the backing from fifa as well on the matter, and rightly so! what sort of example does this set for others? if this is dealt with severly against tevez, then whats to stop other players following suit when they have a hissy fit because things arent going their way?
"Do you find the coverage of this has been excessive"
In a word, yes. But then, in the grand scheme of things, coverage of football overall is generally excessive.
It's certainly no more or less excessive than the Rooney incident last season, or the Terry-Bridge "scandal", to mention two obvious examples.
Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
Would I be right in thinking that you don't read the papers and your radio is permanently tuned to TalkShite?
The whole Carlos Tevez affair is certainly starting to be I said the club said. The best thing to happen is that the press now give the club the time and the space to sort out exactly what happened and let the club conduct their own inqury in private.
I do hope that what ever decision is finially made it is for the best interests of football in general. If this comes down on Tevez's side then football clubs will be in real trouble, because then that means that this sort of thing will certainlly happen again if a player decides that he wants out of the club. All he has to do is to refuse to play and say the manager misunderstood what i said, and we will have the same problem again.
Sign in if you want to comment
Bringing down your once big hero, hash??
Page 1 of 2
posted on 29/9/11
Also, was Mancini really professional, and knew how to protect his club, when he publicly showed his anger toward Tevez in the interview right after the match? Was it also because he's so frustrated with a bad loss to his star-studded side that he just wanted to blame someone ?
Mancini had a game plan of which Tevez was a major part, he had every right to be angry and you'd be hard pressed to find any City fan that would condemn his outburst.
posted on 29/9/11
Or you could say that just occasionally the media get it right rather than getting your rocks off by just being contrary and wanting a monty python discussion.
posted on 29/9/11
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 6 minutes ago
Or you could say that just occasionally the media get it right rather than getting your rocks off by just being contrary and wanting a monty python discussion.
--------------
So you're all for the media painting your club in such a bad light. Every man and his dog is criticising your club, your players, owners, the wages being paid, the egos in your club etc. You welcome all of this?
posted on 29/9/11
The British media were ALL OVER this story like a rash. Couldnt wait to get stuck into your club and condemn every single aspect of your club when last week, they were praised your club to the hilt. They were looking for something negative to happen and lo and behold. Tevez & Mancini obliged.
posted on 29/9/11
**praising
posted on 29/9/11
The media are solidly behind the club on this one.
posted on 29/9/11
That's not really true is it Mr Chelsea. Mancini has received a lot of positives from the media (and opposition fans) in light of this incident. The overwhelming opinion being that Tevez (not Mancini, not the owners, or the club) is to blame here. Even to the extent that there are not many who have really paid any notice to Tevez' (apparant) side of things.
To ask whether we "welcome all of this", well, no - obviously we'd rather it hadn't happened at all.
posted on 29/9/11
Mr Chelsea perhaps you should be more concerned with the media, chelsea and Lampard ....just a thought.
As boris said, the media are fully supportive of City and very concerned about how this will reflect on footballers (it has nothing to do with selling papaer .....honest)
posted on 29/9/11
Mancini had a game plan of which Tevez was a major part, he had every right to be angry and you'd be hard pressed to find any City fan that would condemn his outburst.
----
Then it's surely a communication issue for Mancini not to let Tevez understanding his role when putting him on the bench. Did Tevez react if he was to replace Dzeko? Whatever gameplan reason you could think of, definitely one thing was that the player did not understand/agree with Mancini.
Do you think Tevez would react like that if he's under Fergie, Wenger.... AND if Fergie, Wenger ... publicly criticized one player (that did not play, even if he'd refused) right after the loss ?
posted on 29/9/11
Not trying to WUM here lads so no need to pipe up LEE1PEN
Just saying how I see it. I saw the media on Tuesday get all giddy and excited about what happened and couldnt wait to get stuck into you and condemn every single aspect of your club. For what its worth. Tevez & his agent have to take the majority of the blame for this. Your club have given Tevez far too much leeway and his latest stunt is probably the nail in the coffin but the media reaction to it is mindblowing.
Was there this much fuss when Modric refused to play for Spurs? Albeit he did tell Harry before the game but stil he refused to play.
posted on 29/9/11
"Then it's surely a communication issue for Mancini not to let Tevez understanding his role when putting him on the bench"
Are you being serious? Tevez understanding his role when being put on the bench should be obvious even to the most naive, most intellectually-challenged footballer...
posted on 29/9/11
b4fun (U11023)
I didn't realise tht "Go and warm up" was such a complex instruction.
posted on 29/9/11
"I saw the media on Tuesday get all giddy and excited about what happened and couldnt wait to get stuck into you and condemn every single aspect of your club."
Really? Then you'll have absolutely no problem citing numerous examples (from Tuesday night onwards) whereby "every single aspect of our club has been condemned".
posted on 29/9/11
Really? Then you'll have absolutely no problem citing numerous examples (from Tuesday night onwards) whereby "every single aspect of our club has been condemned".
--------
Just listening to radio stations and news broadcasts mate, saying "they have too many top class players at the club" "this is the problem when you buy a load of superstars" "egos are hard to control"
Have you missed all of this or have I been imagining this?
The media will always fire up a story which they think will give them good headlines. In this case,. There was a reaction needed due to what Tevez did but the amount of coverage it got in my opinion was excessive.
posted on 29/9/11
Mr Chelsea
Was there this much fuss when Modric refused to play for Spurs? Albeit he did tell Harry before the game but stil he refused to play.
===============================================
It was not a public refusal in the same respects as Tevez, and Harry made this statement which doesn't mention he refused.
Luka Modric will not face Manchester United on Monday night because "his head's not in the right place", according to Spurs boss Harry Redknapp.
posted on 29/9/11
Mr Chelsea, not quite sure how that shows that every single aspect of our club has been condemned.
posted on 29/9/11
Ripley, Not every single aspect. I went too far there.
posted on 29/9/11
You should become a journalist mate
posted on 29/9/11
Do you find the coverage of this has been excessive?
posted on 29/9/11
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
"Then it's surely a communication issue for Mancini not to let Tevez understanding his role when putting him on the bench"
Are you being serious? Tevez understanding his role when being put on the bench should be obvious even to the most naive, most intellectually-challenged footballer...
-------------------------------------
Esepcially given that he has been a sub for West Ham, Man Utd and Argentina. You'd think by now he'd understand the difference between being told to wamr up and being told to go n the pitch.
Besides, if you were in that position whereby Mancini had gestured to you and you weren't sure of what he was asking, wouldn't you just simply ask him to clarify?!
The guy is an idiot. I always thought he was a very thick individual (hence why Kia has such a hold over him, why he issues so many contradictory statements, and why he still can't speak English). Can't wait until he leaves.
posted on 29/9/11
there was no misunderstanding b4fun, tevez has been a sub many times for west ham, manchester united and city, he knows how it works.
Even his close friend Zabaleta has said that carlos just didnt want to play. The truth is tevez is very selfish person, he is only out for himself. he would have done the same thing to fergie, wenger or mourinho and i'm pretty sure they would have reacted in the same way as mancini. there is only one person to blame in this and its tevez! not city, not mancini, not his team mates! just tevez!
the media are all over this not because its city, its because its pretty unbelieavble that this happened! its sensational news. its different to the modric situation because you only have peoples word for it, you never saw the refusal. with tevez you did see it quite clearly. he admitted it himself, only to change his story the next day, when his lawyers advised him to.
and now it seems city have the backing from fifa as well on the matter, and rightly so! what sort of example does this set for others? if this is dealt with severly against tevez, then whats to stop other players following suit when they have a hissy fit because things arent going their way?
posted on 29/9/11
"Do you find the coverage of this has been excessive"
In a word, yes. But then, in the grand scheme of things, coverage of football overall is generally excessive.
It's certainly no more or less excessive than the Rooney incident last season, or the Terry-Bridge "scandal", to mention two obvious examples.
posted on 29/9/11
Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
Would I be right in thinking that you don't read the papers and your radio is permanently tuned to TalkShite?
posted on 29/9/11
Boris
5 Live !
posted on 29/9/11
The whole Carlos Tevez affair is certainly starting to be I said the club said. The best thing to happen is that the press now give the club the time and the space to sort out exactly what happened and let the club conduct their own inqury in private.
I do hope that what ever decision is finially made it is for the best interests of football in general. If this comes down on Tevez's side then football clubs will be in real trouble, because then that means that this sort of thing will certainlly happen again if a player decides that he wants out of the club. All he has to do is to refuse to play and say the manager misunderstood what i said, and we will have the same problem again.
Page 1 of 2