Yeah but at least we got our country back
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There's already a way around point 1: setting up satelite teams in talent-rich countries like spain, france, holland and let them buy the youngsters. Man City one of the few to have a setup like this done.
Point 2 seems strange if it also applies on UK players, but it might be a way to protect smaller clubs of being robbed of their talents when the top 6 are starting to hoard players to fill the homegrown player gap to be eligible for CL/EL in the next decade.
Overall I do think UK top teams will be at a disadvantage for the next decade due to lesser available talent. It also depends a lot on how strict the working permit req will be.
got are sovrinty back tho
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
I get all of them except the last one. How can anyone stop a young English player joining a team abroad? Surely that is completely dependent on the rules the overseas league has?
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Breaking some eu law that would otherwise be covered under free people movement? I’m guessing
comment by 🇹🇼 Ludes 🇹🇼 - Thiaaaagggggo, Thiago Alcantaaarraaa 🎵 🎶 (U8966)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
I get all of them except the last one. How can anyone stop a young English player joining a team abroad? Surely that is completely dependent on the rules the overseas league has?
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Breaking some eu law that would otherwise be covered under free people movement? I’m guessing
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No, its a FIFA rule that no players u18 are to be transferred. But theres an exeption for EU area due to FOM rules, which....
No more illegal immigrants being smuggled into our ENGLISH Premier League!
Seriously though, the more I think about it, the less bothered I am by these new regulations. I mean, buying 16 and 17 year old boys to take a punt - because that’s all it can be at that age - on whether they’ll make the grade playing football in a foreign country, and, figuratively, chucked back into the sea if they don’t (as at least 90% will be).
Doesn’t seem all that ethical when you think about it like that really.
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In 15 years time when English side is full of BBBBs (Big Brexit Bluepassport Bæštards) >>>>>>
Nah in all seriousness just another self inflicted limiting factor we’ve instilled on ourselves with Brexit.
comment by Lexington 125.2 - Give Reiss A Chance (U8879)
posted 49 minutes ago
No more illegal immigrants being smuggled into our ENGLISH Premier League!
Seriously though, the more I think about it, the less bothered I am by these new regulations. I mean, buying 16 and 17 year old boys to take a punt - because that’s all it can be at that age - on whether they’ll make the grade playing football in a foreign country, and, figuratively, chucked back into the sea if they don’t (as at least 90% will be).
Doesn’t seem all that ethical when you think about it like that really.
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I think that’s a bit harsh/unrealistic. At the age of 16/17 most players will have their family informing them on decisions such as this and may even already have an agent. It’s not like a PL club ‘swoops in’ and the player has no capacity to say no. If they’re at age 16/17 and are attracting interest from PL they will have other options as well from other strong European leagues, undoubtedly. Also those at age 16/17 will be players actually likely to make it at a high level of first team football, the 90% of players not making it would be more accurate for any players U16 awaiting their first professional (two year scholarship) contract at top UK teams. So I don’t agree that the signing of 16-17 year old foreign talent is a punt, usually it’s the opposite - PL clubs signing a player who is genuinely talented and has potential.
Interesting POV coming from a Chelsea supporter - not a dig btw, purely based on the criticism you guys have had for hoarding youth players (many of whom were bought in from European academies) - only to then end up loaning most of them out.
Sounds more ‘punty’ than strategic to me.
Of course that’s not to say the ones that don’t make it at Chelsea can’t, or don’t go on to forge a career for themselves elsewhere. But there’s been plenty of examples at Arsenal of youngsters brought over, probably too early as it turns out, hyped up, and then... kind of forgotten about.
For every Cesc and Bellerin, there’s a Toral and Merida.
Eventually when the lads cast aside end up 3rd or 4th tier of French, Spanish or German football, can’t help but wonder whether staying put for a few seasons more would’ve been a better option for them.
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
How long is the mandatory period a player has to have been in the country before he can sign up with a PL club?
Scarlett won’t be leaving any time soon, was worried he would sod off abroad
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
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You can't actually think any of that is possible?
I don't know you so guessing it was a joke?
Overall this should improve our England team in the long run as more English players will get chances etc
Agree with 1 and 2, we've signed so many teenagers from abroad over the years and as amazing as it was to see Cesc come through, most of them don't come close to the first team. I'm pretty sure we wrecked the careers of some of those boys who would have got first team football and developed properly if they stayed where they were.
And in any case if this looks like hurting the brand the conservatives will change policy. Thats the point of sovereignty.
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
Overall this should improve our England team in the long run as more English players will get chances etc
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That will always be relative to the overall quality of the league. The money ought to mean the quality will remain high even without those foreign youngsters, but if the quality drops sharply, having more English youngsters involved won’t necessarily benefit the England team.
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
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You can't actually think any of that is possible?
I don't know you so guessing it was a joke?
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Barry'd!!
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 8 hours, 36 minutes ago
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
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Hafi will be overseer
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 3 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
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You can't actually think any of that is possible?
I don't know you so guessing it was a joke?
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Barry'd!!
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Is that the first one this year
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 3 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
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You can't actually think any of that is possible?
I don't know you so guessing it was a joke?
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Barry'd!!
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Is that the first one this year
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Probably the first and surely not the last
"Rise of HG Talent" OP.
I am no fan of Brexit whatsoever but these rules are a good thing. One of the bi-products here will likely be a lot more investment by PL clubs now in grass roots football to find and create stars. I've often thought the PL should be on the hook for half the cost of a full blown National Schools League proper. Not this tinpot, hit and miss dependent where you are crap we have now. Maybe now they'll become more proactive in manufacturing a stronger conveyor belt of domestic talent because they can only take 3 items off the overseas belt they were takin the ps with.
I think it has its positives. Yes maybe we will not have as much access to foreign talent but it could help with growing some English talent. The big clubs in Spain and Germany seem to give more chances and play more Spanish and German players
English clubs seem scared to play English players unless it's obvious that English player is a special talent. I'm also sure there are English players in the big clubs to fill the HG quota. Kyle Walker for example I don't think would play for City if they didn't have to have HG players.
So maybe we will unlock some more talent we would have otherwise missed. Perhaps we will have an England team who play better together if they play more regularly at the highest level.
Also still think there should be a 5% tax on ticket and merchandise sales that goes to grassroots football.
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posted on 3/1/21
Yeah but at least we got our country back
posted on 3/1/21
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posted on 3/1/21
There's already a way around point 1: setting up satelite teams in talent-rich countries like spain, france, holland and let them buy the youngsters. Man City one of the few to have a setup like this done.
Point 2 seems strange if it also applies on UK players, but it might be a way to protect smaller clubs of being robbed of their talents when the top 6 are starting to hoard players to fill the homegrown player gap to be eligible for CL/EL in the next decade.
Overall I do think UK top teams will be at a disadvantage for the next decade due to lesser available talent. It also depends a lot on how strict the working permit req will be.
posted on 3/1/21
got are sovrinty back tho
posted on 3/1/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
I get all of them except the last one. How can anyone stop a young English player joining a team abroad? Surely that is completely dependent on the rules the overseas league has?
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Breaking some eu law that would otherwise be covered under free people movement? I’m guessing
posted on 3/1/21
comment by 🇹🇼 Ludes 🇹🇼 - Thiaaaagggggo, Thiago Alcantaaarraaa 🎵 🎶 (U8966)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
I get all of them except the last one. How can anyone stop a young English player joining a team abroad? Surely that is completely dependent on the rules the overseas league has?
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Breaking some eu law that would otherwise be covered under free people movement? I’m guessing
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No, its a FIFA rule that no players u18 are to be transferred. But theres an exeption for EU area due to FOM rules, which....
posted on 3/1/21
No more illegal immigrants being smuggled into our ENGLISH Premier League!
Seriously though, the more I think about it, the less bothered I am by these new regulations. I mean, buying 16 and 17 year old boys to take a punt - because that’s all it can be at that age - on whether they’ll make the grade playing football in a foreign country, and, figuratively, chucked back into the sea if they don’t (as at least 90% will be).
Doesn’t seem all that ethical when you think about it like that really.
posted on 3/1/21
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posted on 3/1/21
In 15 years time when English side is full of BBBBs (Big Brexit Bluepassport Bæštards) >>>>>>
Nah in all seriousness just another self inflicted limiting factor we’ve instilled on ourselves with Brexit.
posted on 3/1/21
comment by Lexington 125.2 - Give Reiss A Chance (U8879)
posted 49 minutes ago
No more illegal immigrants being smuggled into our ENGLISH Premier League!
Seriously though, the more I think about it, the less bothered I am by these new regulations. I mean, buying 16 and 17 year old boys to take a punt - because that’s all it can be at that age - on whether they’ll make the grade playing football in a foreign country, and, figuratively, chucked back into the sea if they don’t (as at least 90% will be).
Doesn’t seem all that ethical when you think about it like that really.
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I think that’s a bit harsh/unrealistic. At the age of 16/17 most players will have their family informing them on decisions such as this and may even already have an agent. It’s not like a PL club ‘swoops in’ and the player has no capacity to say no. If they’re at age 16/17 and are attracting interest from PL they will have other options as well from other strong European leagues, undoubtedly. Also those at age 16/17 will be players actually likely to make it at a high level of first team football, the 90% of players not making it would be more accurate for any players U16 awaiting their first professional (two year scholarship) contract at top UK teams. So I don’t agree that the signing of 16-17 year old foreign talent is a punt, usually it’s the opposite - PL clubs signing a player who is genuinely talented and has potential.
posted on 3/1/21
Interesting POV coming from a Chelsea supporter - not a dig btw, purely based on the criticism you guys have had for hoarding youth players (many of whom were bought in from European academies) - only to then end up loaning most of them out.
Sounds more ‘punty’ than strategic to me.
Of course that’s not to say the ones that don’t make it at Chelsea can’t, or don’t go on to forge a career for themselves elsewhere. But there’s been plenty of examples at Arsenal of youngsters brought over, probably too early as it turns out, hyped up, and then... kind of forgotten about.
For every Cesc and Bellerin, there’s a Toral and Merida.
Eventually when the lads cast aside end up 3rd or 4th tier of French, Spanish or German football, can’t help but wonder whether staying put for a few seasons more would’ve been a better option for them.
posted on 3/1/21
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
posted on 3/1/21
How long is the mandatory period a player has to have been in the country before he can sign up with a PL club?
posted on 3/1/21
Scarlett won’t be leaving any time soon, was worried he would sod off abroad
posted on 3/1/21
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
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You can't actually think any of that is possible?
I don't know you so guessing it was a joke?
posted on 3/1/21
Overall this should improve our England team in the long run as more English players will get chances etc
posted on 3/1/21
Agree with 1 and 2, we've signed so many teenagers from abroad over the years and as amazing as it was to see Cesc come through, most of them don't come close to the first team. I'm pretty sure we wrecked the careers of some of those boys who would have got first team football and developed properly if they stayed where they were.
posted on 3/1/21
And in any case if this looks like hurting the brand the conservatives will change policy. Thats the point of sovereignty.
posted on 3/1/21
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
Overall this should improve our England team in the long run as more English players will get chances etc
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That will always be relative to the overall quality of the league. The money ought to mean the quality will remain high even without those foreign youngsters, but if the quality drops sharply, having more English youngsters involved won’t necessarily benefit the England team.
posted on 3/1/21
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
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You can't actually think any of that is possible?
I don't know you so guessing it was a joke?
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Barry'd!!
posted on 3/1/21
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 8 hours, 36 minutes ago
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
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Hafi will be overseer
posted on 3/1/21
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 3 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
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You can't actually think any of that is possible?
I don't know you so guessing it was a joke?
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Barry'd!!
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Is that the first one this year
posted on 3/1/21
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 3 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
The PL is a global brand. If the last English part of the league (the location/name) becomes a limiting factor then they will just move to the Middle East. All games played in a specialist studio rather than a stadium as actual match going fans are not really required. Each game will be simulated via an algorithm which is carefully calibrated to produce the most exciting games and results. I can't wait.
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You can't actually think any of that is possible?
I don't know you so guessing it was a joke?
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Barry'd!!
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Is that the first one this year
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Probably the first and surely not the last
posted on 3/1/21
"Rise of HG Talent" OP.
I am no fan of Brexit whatsoever but these rules are a good thing. One of the bi-products here will likely be a lot more investment by PL clubs now in grass roots football to find and create stars. I've often thought the PL should be on the hook for half the cost of a full blown National Schools League proper. Not this tinpot, hit and miss dependent where you are crap we have now. Maybe now they'll become more proactive in manufacturing a stronger conveyor belt of domestic talent because they can only take 3 items off the overseas belt they were takin the ps with.
posted on 4/1/21
I think it has its positives. Yes maybe we will not have as much access to foreign talent but it could help with growing some English talent. The big clubs in Spain and Germany seem to give more chances and play more Spanish and German players
English clubs seem scared to play English players unless it's obvious that English player is a special talent. I'm also sure there are English players in the big clubs to fill the HG quota. Kyle Walker for example I don't think would play for City if they didn't have to have HG players.
So maybe we will unlock some more talent we would have otherwise missed. Perhaps we will have an England team who play better together if they play more regularly at the highest level.
Also still think there should be a 5% tax on ticket and merchandise sales that goes to grassroots football.
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