Man United were fitter than the other sides.
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You’re an idiot if you really believe that.
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Right ok, as I will repeat, you do not understand the game.
Your players weren't "unfit" in a traditional sense, you were disrupted by not having an off-season like other teams had, if you think that's wrong, you just do not understand how the game works.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Man United were fitter than the other sides.
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You played a competitive fixture during August, which not many other sides did, so you were still training throughout August up until your EL SF exit, where most other teams weren't. Yes, you suffered from not having a reasonable off-season. Do you know what an off-season is?
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I personally don't think you will win it as I think United just have too many "poor" results or a bad spell in them to be genuinely consistent enough over the course of the season which may cost them. Although tbf, you've put yourself in as good a position as what you could have hoped and I wouldn't rule you out.
I do think Man City may end up winning it this season with Liverpool 2nd, unless a CB is bought in which that may make a difference.
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We have a bunch of individuals at the moment capable of producing moments, mostly via Bruno. It is not a cohesive team.
I think once Liverpool and City find their mojo they will run away from the rest.
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I don't think you'll be able to create a culture when you have deadwood players around the club or players that don't want to be there, e.g. Pogba, because players just won't buy into the ideas. Although there aren't as many as maybe previously, but still a few in that United squad to shift on.
As you say, I think from a consistency point of view, United just won't pick up enough points over the rest of the season to match Liverpool/City, if both teams perform as well as they have over the last couple of seasons.
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I am not saying United will win the league, but haven't we won more points than anyone in the PL since Fernandes arrived?
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You also have a tendency to go on a bad run as well, look at the start of the season where you were labouring in 15th, it's spells like that which may cost you in a title run. Let's be realistic, you're very likely to have to keep up this form for the rest of the campaign when you consider Man City's current form and if/when Liverpool can get back to all guns blazing again, as I'm sure one (if not both) will happen, do you think you'll be able to compete with that?
Factoring in Liverpool didn't really have anything to play for the last 10 games of last season and nor did Man City, who were far from their best, having the most points since Fernandes arrived doesn't tell the full story.
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The start of the season is a bad example for me. The squad wasn't fit due to no pre-season because of the Europa games. City had the same issue. I don't think that the squad was fit until after the first international break.
And how many bad runs have we been on since Fernandes joined and Pogba returned from injury? When Ole has had a decent AM available to him we have been much better in terms of consistent results.
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I don't think it's a case of the squad wasn't fit but more a case of the squad wasn't used to the demands due to the inconsistency of not having an off-season. But even after the first International break, you crashed out of the CL and suffered one or two other poor results during that time as well. The fact people were calling for Ole's head shows things weren't right then, I just feel like United have another one of those runs in them.
Injuries happen though throughout the season, Liverpool and Man City can also attest to that. Anybody can say "how many bad runs have we suffered when we've had a fully fit squad", because chances are the best sides won't have many. It's the fact your squad isn't good enough outside your best players. Once Pogba/Fernandes are missing, United are nowhere near as good as they are now, more so if Fernandes would be missing.
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I don't understand you first sentence. Trust me, the squad wasn't fit at the start of the season. Ask any United fan and they will tell you the same.
And yes, we have suffered some poor results this season (as has everyone). But is that a poor run? Or just a poor result?
And of course injuries happen. But before Fernandes arrived, Pogba was our only AM of any quality. When he was injured we had nothing in terms of creativity from central midfield. We now have Pogba, Fernandes and DVB. I think that we are much better in terms of squad depth now than we have been for several years. And yes, we will miss our best players if they are injured. Everyone does. But as it stands, no-one has gained more points than us since Fernandes arrived. We are right up there challenging, despite the fact Greenwood and Martial (and to some extent Rashford) have been off form and despite the fact that our CBs have been shocking. With Bailly back and playing well and having signed the new Messi just a few days ago, we have a chance for the title.
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As I have said above, you suffered from not having a long enough off-season which other teams benefitted from which will provide a knock-on effect.
You won 2 of your first 6 games, I'd say that's a pretty poor run for where you currently are in the table wouldn't you?
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Yes that is a bad run. Which as I mentioned was at least partly due to lack of fitness.
Match fitness is more than just physical condition, it's mental sharpness, concentration levels and game management as well. And the margin between being in pretty good condition and being at physical peak during a run of games is huge at elite level.
United lacked all of this at the start of the season, and we looked very poor. Not the only reason of course, but it definitely contributed.
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comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
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You’re an idiot if you really believe that.
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Right ok, as I will repeat, you do not understand the game.
Your players weren't "unfit" in a traditional sense, you were disrupted by not having an off-season like other teams had, if you think that's wrong, you just do not understand how the game works.
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I wonder why they were blowing our of their @rses after 30 minutes then? Strange.
Answer me this; did you watch all of United's first 5/6 games of the season?
Against Palace we looked like a celebrity side against ex pros in a Soccer Aid game
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
JustYourAverageFan
Well done for taking the spotlight on stupidity from Plumpy.
That takes a hell of a lot of effort.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 15 seconds ago
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
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So you're saying we weren't fit?
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comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 15 seconds ago
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
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So you're saying we weren't fit?
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He thinks we're well fit
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 15 seconds ago
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
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So you're saying we weren't fit?
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I'm off
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 15 seconds ago
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
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So you're saying we weren't fit?
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I'm off
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I think you should. Save any further embarrassment.
FFS we were more match fit than the rest of the league despite having less time to build our fitness levels back off after the off season because we played a match more recently than the rest of the teams but we were less prepared for matches fitness wise but that doesn't mean we were less match fit.
Simple FFS!
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 15 seconds ago
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
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So you're saying we weren't fit?
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I'm off
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I think you should. Save any further embarrassment.
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This.
I think you should. Save any further embarrassment.
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It was really embarrassing. I would like to think that the average fan would understand how fitness levels in pre season works.
Maybe he should change his name to JustYourWellBellowAverageFan.
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posted 5 minutes ago
I think you should. Save any further embarrassment.
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It was really embarrassing. I would like to think that the average fan would understand how fitness levels in pre season works.
Maybe he should change his name to JustYourWellBellowAverageFan.
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Just to clarify here VC, are you talking about pre-season or off-season?
Elvis
I really do despair for some of these posters.
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Elvis
I really do despair for some of these posters.
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Even the window lickers and Wums are absolute shed.
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posted on 11/1/21
Man United were fitter than the other sides.
posted on 11/1/21
does he mean pre-season?
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 46 seconds ago
You’re an idiot if you really believe that.
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Right ok, as I will repeat, you do not understand the game.
Your players weren't "unfit" in a traditional sense, you were disrupted by not having an off-season like other teams had, if you think that's wrong, you just do not understand how the game works.
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Man United were fitter than the other sides.
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You played a competitive fixture during August, which not many other sides did, so you were still training throughout August up until your EL SF exit, where most other teams weren't. Yes, you suffered from not having a reasonable off-season. Do you know what an off-season is?
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I personally don't think you will win it as I think United just have too many "poor" results or a bad spell in them to be genuinely consistent enough over the course of the season which may cost them. Although tbf, you've put yourself in as good a position as what you could have hoped and I wouldn't rule you out.
I do think Man City may end up winning it this season with Liverpool 2nd, unless a CB is bought in which that may make a difference.
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We have a bunch of individuals at the moment capable of producing moments, mostly via Bruno. It is not a cohesive team.
I think once Liverpool and City find their mojo they will run away from the rest.
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I don't think you'll be able to create a culture when you have deadwood players around the club or players that don't want to be there, e.g. Pogba, because players just won't buy into the ideas. Although there aren't as many as maybe previously, but still a few in that United squad to shift on.
As you say, I think from a consistency point of view, United just won't pick up enough points over the rest of the season to match Liverpool/City, if both teams perform as well as they have over the last couple of seasons.
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I am not saying United will win the league, but haven't we won more points than anyone in the PL since Fernandes arrived?
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You also have a tendency to go on a bad run as well, look at the start of the season where you were labouring in 15th, it's spells like that which may cost you in a title run. Let's be realistic, you're very likely to have to keep up this form for the rest of the campaign when you consider Man City's current form and if/when Liverpool can get back to all guns blazing again, as I'm sure one (if not both) will happen, do you think you'll be able to compete with that?
Factoring in Liverpool didn't really have anything to play for the last 10 games of last season and nor did Man City, who were far from their best, having the most points since Fernandes arrived doesn't tell the full story.
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The start of the season is a bad example for me. The squad wasn't fit due to no pre-season because of the Europa games. City had the same issue. I don't think that the squad was fit until after the first international break.
And how many bad runs have we been on since Fernandes joined and Pogba returned from injury? When Ole has had a decent AM available to him we have been much better in terms of consistent results.
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I don't think it's a case of the squad wasn't fit but more a case of the squad wasn't used to the demands due to the inconsistency of not having an off-season. But even after the first International break, you crashed out of the CL and suffered one or two other poor results during that time as well. The fact people were calling for Ole's head shows things weren't right then, I just feel like United have another one of those runs in them.
Injuries happen though throughout the season, Liverpool and Man City can also attest to that. Anybody can say "how many bad runs have we suffered when we've had a fully fit squad", because chances are the best sides won't have many. It's the fact your squad isn't good enough outside your best players. Once Pogba/Fernandes are missing, United are nowhere near as good as they are now, more so if Fernandes would be missing.
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I don't understand you first sentence. Trust me, the squad wasn't fit at the start of the season. Ask any United fan and they will tell you the same.
And yes, we have suffered some poor results this season (as has everyone). But is that a poor run? Or just a poor result?
And of course injuries happen. But before Fernandes arrived, Pogba was our only AM of any quality. When he was injured we had nothing in terms of creativity from central midfield. We now have Pogba, Fernandes and DVB. I think that we are much better in terms of squad depth now than we have been for several years. And yes, we will miss our best players if they are injured. Everyone does. But as it stands, no-one has gained more points than us since Fernandes arrived. We are right up there challenging, despite the fact Greenwood and Martial (and to some extent Rashford) have been off form and despite the fact that our CBs have been shocking. With Bailly back and playing well and having signed the new Messi just a few days ago, we have a chance for the title.
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As I have said above, you suffered from not having a long enough off-season which other teams benefitted from which will provide a knock-on effect.
You won 2 of your first 6 games, I'd say that's a pretty poor run for where you currently are in the table wouldn't you?
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Yes that is a bad run. Which as I mentioned was at least partly due to lack of fitness.
posted on 11/1/21
Match fitness is more than just physical condition, it's mental sharpness, concentration levels and game management as well. And the margin between being in pretty good condition and being at physical peak during a run of games is huge at elite level.
United lacked all of this at the start of the season, and we looked very poor. Not the only reason of course, but it definitely contributed.
posted on 11/1/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 46 seconds ago
You’re an idiot if you really believe that.
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Right ok, as I will repeat, you do not understand the game.
Your players weren't "unfit" in a traditional sense, you were disrupted by not having an off-season like other teams had, if you think that's wrong, you just do not understand how the game works.
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I wonder why they were blowing our of their @rses after 30 minutes then? Strange.
Answer me this; did you watch all of United's first 5/6 games of the season?
posted on 11/1/21
Against Palace we looked like a celebrity side against ex pros in a Soccer Aid game
posted on 11/1/21
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
posted on 11/1/21
JustYourAverageFan
Well done for taking the spotlight on stupidity from Plumpy.
That takes a hell of a lot of effort.
posted on 11/1/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 15 seconds ago
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
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So you're saying we weren't fit?
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 15 seconds ago
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
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So you're saying we weren't fit?
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He thinks we're well fit
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 15 seconds ago
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
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So you're saying we weren't fit?
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I'm off
posted on 11/1/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 15 seconds ago
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
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So you're saying we weren't fit?
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I'm off
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I think you should. Save any further embarrassment.
posted on 11/1/21
FFS we were more match fit than the rest of the league despite having less time to build our fitness levels back off after the off season because we played a match more recently than the rest of the teams but we were less prepared for matches fitness wise but that doesn't mean we were less match fit.
Simple FFS!
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 15 seconds ago
You weren't suffering from a "lack of fitness" ffs.
Man United's last competitive fixture last season was on 16th August. The season began again on the 19th September. You started your pre-season a week before. So you ONLY had 3 weeks of an off-season whereas other teams, such as Brighton for example, their season finished on the 26th July, so they had a longer off-season than what you did, therefore recovered more due to a longer rest period, therefore less match fit in competitive match experiences than what Man United were. You did not have the off-season to correctly recover from your competitive fixtures of last season.
So you were actually more "match fit" on a competitive basis, but you suffered from not having adequate rest time during the off-season.
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So you're saying we weren't fit?
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I'm off
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I think you should. Save any further embarrassment.
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This.
posted on 11/1/21
I think you should. Save any further embarrassment.
........
It was really embarrassing. I would like to think that the average fan would understand how fitness levels in pre season works.
Maybe he should change his name to JustYourWellBellowAverageFan.
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
I think you should. Save any further embarrassment.
........
It was really embarrassing. I would like to think that the average fan would understand how fitness levels in pre season works.
Maybe he should change his name to JustYourWellBellowAverageFan.
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Just to clarify here VC, are you talking about pre-season or off-season?
posted on 11/1/21
Elvis
I really do despair for some of these posters.
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 17 minutes ago
Elvis
I really do despair for some of these posters.
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The newer posters on here aren't what they used to be. That's for sure.
Even the window lickers and Wums are absolute shed.
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