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Am I alone in thinking Harry’s Spurs with Bale were better than Poch/Mourinho’s squads?
Personally your best shot at silverware in the last decade has been and gone
comment by Brian Spearmint (U22339)
posted 27 seconds ago
Am I alone in thinking Harry’s Spurs with Bale were better than Poch/Mourinho’s squads?
Personally your best shot at silverware in the last decade has been and gone
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Great squad assembled by Juande Ramos who was hounded out of the club by ungrateful Spurs fans
But, for me, if you take City and Chelsea out of the equation due to simply buying their success
Sharticle
comment by Brian Spearmint (U22339)
posted 21 minutes ago
Am I alone in thinking Harry’s Spurs with Bale were better than Poch/Mourinho’s squads?
Personally your best shot at silverware in the last decade has been and gone
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We had a few stars in that squad but also several first teamers that weren't good enough and the squad was full of dead wood. Overall the squad we have now is stronger, both the first 11 and the squad as a whole.
I think it's a reasonably fair accusation. United, Liverpool, Chelsea and City are on a different level so can't be compared (although Liverpool have done it on a relative budget). Arsenal are the curious ones though. Since our 2008 League Cup win it's fair to say Arsenal have been on the decline and Spurs have been on the up. We've spent similar amounts but in their supposed barren spell, they've accrued 4 F.A Cups. 4. I don't think it's unreasonable for the experts to say that we're chokers or we've underachieved as to be honest, compared the Arsenal's record, we have.
The other clubs you''ve listed have a fraction of our budget (I'm talking wages as well as transfer fees). Only Everton have really stepped up their spending lately. The bottom line is that based on our outlay, we should have won more.
Spurs are the equivalent of Hibs in Scottish football. They went 114 years without winning the Scottish Cup, then won it in the most dramatic circumstances in 2016, which resulted in chaos on the pitch at full time.
I am not saying Spurs are capable of winning the FA Cup right now, but like Hibs, I think you may win a trophy again in 2122, just 114 years after your last one. You just have to believe that it can be done, and be patient.
Also, I think the reason it's pulled up ahead of other clubs is that we've got further in competitions than all those other sides, but still lost in either a semi-final or a final. We have the record for having made the most semi finals of domestic cups in recent years but never having won one. There's your reason. It's not about not winning one, it's about consistently getting close and choking, year on year.
It must be bad. We're now at the level of getting stick from a Scot for not winning trophies.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 44 seconds ago
All the big clubs in England win trophies.
Leicester won the league on a shoe string budget but you haven’t mentioned them in your article for some reason.
Spurs were one of the biggest spenders last Summer and have invested more over the last 5-10 years than all the teams listed in the OP.
Spurs sacked the best manager they’ve ever had (certainly in the PL era) and replaced him with a manager who guarantees trophies.
Spurs play god awful football that can only be ignored by winning trophies.
Spurs have just moved into a brand new stadium.
Spurs have won just 1 trophy in 3 decades.
Probably all these reasons are why the narrative is about Spurs needing to win a trophy.
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Leicester only won it because everybody (including all the officials) were swept along by the fairy tale once it became clear they had a chance.
The amount of refereeing bias, gifted penalties etc they enjoyed in that title race (along with their defenders being allowed to rugby tackle opponents on a game by game basis) etc was there for all to see.
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Pen-cester City
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
It must be bad. We're now at the level of getting stick from a Scot for not winning trophies.
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Replying to my own comment here but it always makes me think of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugmBqZ_S3c
City did literally buy the FA Cup I suppose.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55586021
So many big clubs on that list who have a long trophy drought. Spurs have a great chance this year but this has been City's competition and they will equal our record of 8 if they win in April.
Clubs like Spurs, Leeds, Villa etc should win more.
Newcastle actually won the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup (UEFA Cup/Europa League) in 1969.
That has to be regarded as a major trophy.
Why should Leeds? They’ve been a lower league club for 16 years.
Ipswich Hospital Charity Cup Winners
Unlike those other clubs we've established ourselves as top 4/6 club for the last decade. Other than City who had bought their way into it and now have the trophies to show for it, nobody else has done the same. You can argue for Leicester since they won the league and finished 5th last season, but I think most don't consider them one of the big clubs yet. That might change.
We need a trophy to match our league performances and our ambition, now that we also have the new stadium, in the way that the rest of the top 6 have managed one or more since they have been top 6 clubs. If we as fans are considering ourselves as one of the big clubs like the media do then it isn't bias at all if they make out we need a trophy. Part of why we 'need' to win a trophy is to keep our important players happy anyway.
I wonder how much more emphasis teams would put on the FA Cup is it meant qualifying for the CL potentially.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
OP, your problem is that you really do believe everything in the media?
Trust me, they are click-baiters and will hook in, with nonsense and it seems it's getting to you.
The "Media"...I mean which media? who are you taking about?
Spurs have won trophies. In fact, Spurs were the first in many a trophy: including first to do the double.
Plenty of trophies with Spurs name on
Don't click on that link, SteveF
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first to do a double....that was pre-me & i'm 58
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58 and try to troll like a spotty kid, should be locked up - embarassing
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Says the guy listing Spurs cup wins...that's embarrasing
Tbh Spurs should in recent years be lifting trophies.
Under Jol we were a top 5 team.
Under 'Arry / AVB we were a top 4 team
Under Poch we were a top 3 team.
This points to sufficient quality to be able to lift a trophy.
Ironic that we actually did when we had one of the worst squads and managers of the last 15 years.
The difficulty is that there are no certainties AND what has often favoured the successful teams is that we have rarely had a squad able to compete when it really matters. The squad has not been big enough to take all the cups seriously particularly as things come to a head in the latter parts of the season.
Having said that we have made a good few SFs, and the fact these have often come to nought points at a mentality issue more than an ability issue.
I would not be soo stupid as to say we MUST win a trophy this season. All I want to see is for us to perform in the big moments.
If you take the League Cup final to come, if we perform and City perform then we may still lose. So often we have seen a lack of performance - UCL final , FA Cup & League SFs vs Chelsea, FA Cup SF vs Man Utd - all in the last 5 years
We are in a final which is excellent. Best we could have done so far. If we play well but lose, so be it. The better team will have won and that's no disgrace vs the Man City Fantasy football project. If we play badly and lose then nothing has changed and that is when I shall be annoyed at continued failure.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 29 minutes ago
Why should Leeds? They’ve been a lower league club for 16 years.
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Doesn't mean they're not a big club
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
Tbh Spurs should in recent years be lifting trophies.
Under Jol we were a top 5 team.
Under 'Arry / AVB we were a top 4 team
Under Poch we were a top 3 team.
This points to sufficient quality to be able to lift a trophy.
Ironic that we actually did when we had one of the worst squads and managers of the last 15 years.
The difficulty is that there are no certainties AND what has often favoured the successful teams is that we have rarely had a squad able to compete when it really matters. The squad has not been big enough to take all the cups seriously particularly as things come to a head in the latter parts of the season.
Having said that we have made a good few SFs, and the fact these have often come to nought points at a mentality issue more than an ability issue.
I would not be soo stupid as to say we MUST win a trophy this season. All I want to see is for us to perform in the big moments.
If you take the League Cup final to come, if we perform and City perform then we may still lose. So often we have seen a lack of performance - UCL final , FA Cup & League SFs vs Chelsea, FA Cup SF vs Man Utd - all in the last 5 years
We are in a final which is excellent. Best we could have done so far. If we play well but lose, so be it. The better team will have won and that's no disgrace vs the Man City Fantasy football project. If we play badly and lose then nothing has changed and that is when I shall be annoyed at continued failure.
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I think winning the League Cup final is vital to showing we have changed and improved. Especially given that we beat City in the league this season so we have shown we can do it. A great performance in the final but a defeat to me shows nothing has changed at all. Conversely a poor performance where we somehow get the win shows that the mentality has changed.
They aren’t, but that’s beside the point. Big club or not, when a team that has spent that long in the lower leagues it doesn’t make any sense to say they should have been winning trophies.
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
Tbh Spurs should in recent years be lifting trophies.
Under Jol we were a top 5 team.
Under 'Arry / AVB we were a top 4 team
Under Poch we were a top 3 team.
This points to sufficient quality to be able to lift a trophy.
Ironic that we actually did when we had one of the worst squads and managers of the last 15 years.
The difficulty is that there are no certainties AND what has often favoured the successful teams is that we have rarely had a squad able to compete when it really matters. The squad has not been big enough to take all the cups seriously particularly as things come to a head in the latter parts of the season.
Having said that we have made a good few SFs, and the fact these have often come to nought points at a mentality issue more than an ability issue.
I would not be soo stupid as to say we MUST win a trophy this season. All I want to see is for us to perform in the big moments.
If you take the League Cup final to come, if we perform and City perform then we may still lose. So often we have seen a lack of performance - UCL final , FA Cup & League SFs vs Chelsea, FA Cup SF vs Man Utd - all in the last 5 years
We are in a final which is excellent. Best we could have done so far. If we play well but lose, so be it. The better team will have won and that's no disgrace vs the Man City Fantasy football project. If we play badly and lose then nothing has changed and that is when I shall be annoyed at continued failure.
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I think winning the League Cup final is vital to showing we have changed and improved. Especially given that we beat City in the league this season so we have shown we can do it. A great performance in the final but a defeat to me shows nothing has changed at all. Conversely a poor performance where we somehow get the win shows that the mentality has changed.
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Totally agree, nothing has changed if we don’t win the league cup final. We have proven we can beat city and we have done it many times, so nobody can sit and tell me that City are the better side. We can win it and we need to win it. It means a lot more to us than it does City. Win that cup and get the monkey off our back. We then go on for bigger trophies after. Lose it, we are the same old bottle job Tottenham.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
Tbh Spurs should in recent years be lifting trophies.
Under Jol we were a top 5 team.
Under 'Arry / AVB we were a top 4 team
Under Poch we were a top 3 team.
This points to sufficient quality to be able to lift a trophy.
Ironic that we actually did when we had one of the worst squads and managers of the last 15 years.
The difficulty is that there are no certainties AND what has often favoured the successful teams is that we have rarely had a squad able to compete when it really matters. The squad has not been big enough to take all the cups seriously particularly as things come to a head in the latter parts of the season.
Having said that we have made a good few SFs, and the fact these have often come to nought points at a mentality issue more than an ability issue.
I would not be soo stupid as to say we MUST win a trophy this season. All I want to see is for us to perform in the big moments.
If you take the League Cup final to come, if we perform and City perform then we may still lose. So often we have seen a lack of performance - UCL final , FA Cup & League SFs vs Chelsea, FA Cup SF vs Man Utd - all in the last 5 years
We are in a final which is excellent. Best we could have done so far. If we play well but lose, so be it. The better team will have won and that's no disgrace vs the Man City Fantasy football project. If we play badly and lose then nothing has changed and that is when I shall be annoyed at continued failure.
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I think winning the League Cup final is vital to showing we have changed and improved. Especially given that we beat City in the league this season so we have shown we can do it. A great performance in the final but a defeat to me shows nothing has changed at all. Conversely a poor performance where we somehow get the win shows that the mentality has changed.
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Totally agree, nothing has changed if we don’t win the league cup final. We have proven we can beat city and we have done it many times, so nobody can sit and tell me that City are the better side. We can win it and we need to win it. It means a lot more to us than it does City. Win that cup and get the monkey off our back. We then go on for bigger trophies after. Lose it, we are the same old bottle job Tottenham.
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Everything has changed if we don't win the league cup final or any other silverware. Aside from Burnley we're probably playing the worst football in the division, certainly within the big 6. To not win anything playing like that is a disaster. Can you imagine playing as we are for the usual 3 season Jose stint and having nothing to show for it. It would be awful. Everything has changed in terms of style, and we'd better have something to show for it.
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posted on 11/1/21
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posted on 11/1/21
Am I alone in thinking Harry’s Spurs with Bale were better than Poch/Mourinho’s squads?
Personally your best shot at silverware in the last decade has been and gone
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Brian Spearmint (U22339)
posted 27 seconds ago
Am I alone in thinking Harry’s Spurs with Bale were better than Poch/Mourinho’s squads?
Personally your best shot at silverware in the last decade has been and gone
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Great squad assembled by Juande Ramos who was hounded out of the club by ungrateful Spurs fans
posted on 11/1/21
But, for me, if you take City and Chelsea out of the equation due to simply buying their success
Sharticle
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Brian Spearmint (U22339)
posted 21 minutes ago
Am I alone in thinking Harry’s Spurs with Bale were better than Poch/Mourinho’s squads?
Personally your best shot at silverware in the last decade has been and gone
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We had a few stars in that squad but also several first teamers that weren't good enough and the squad was full of dead wood. Overall the squad we have now is stronger, both the first 11 and the squad as a whole.
posted on 11/1/21
I think it's a reasonably fair accusation. United, Liverpool, Chelsea and City are on a different level so can't be compared (although Liverpool have done it on a relative budget). Arsenal are the curious ones though. Since our 2008 League Cup win it's fair to say Arsenal have been on the decline and Spurs have been on the up. We've spent similar amounts but in their supposed barren spell, they've accrued 4 F.A Cups. 4. I don't think it's unreasonable for the experts to say that we're chokers or we've underachieved as to be honest, compared the Arsenal's record, we have.
The other clubs you''ve listed have a fraction of our budget (I'm talking wages as well as transfer fees). Only Everton have really stepped up their spending lately. The bottom line is that based on our outlay, we should have won more.
posted on 11/1/21
Spurs are the equivalent of Hibs in Scottish football. They went 114 years without winning the Scottish Cup, then won it in the most dramatic circumstances in 2016, which resulted in chaos on the pitch at full time.
I am not saying Spurs are capable of winning the FA Cup right now, but like Hibs, I think you may win a trophy again in 2122, just 114 years after your last one. You just have to believe that it can be done, and be patient.
posted on 11/1/21
Also, I think the reason it's pulled up ahead of other clubs is that we've got further in competitions than all those other sides, but still lost in either a semi-final or a final. We have the record for having made the most semi finals of domestic cups in recent years but never having won one. There's your reason. It's not about not winning one, it's about consistently getting close and choking, year on year.
posted on 11/1/21
It must be bad. We're now at the level of getting stick from a Scot for not winning trophies.
posted on 11/1/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 44 seconds ago
All the big clubs in England win trophies.
Leicester won the league on a shoe string budget but you haven’t mentioned them in your article for some reason.
Spurs were one of the biggest spenders last Summer and have invested more over the last 5-10 years than all the teams listed in the OP.
Spurs sacked the best manager they’ve ever had (certainly in the PL era) and replaced him with a manager who guarantees trophies.
Spurs play god awful football that can only be ignored by winning trophies.
Spurs have just moved into a brand new stadium.
Spurs have won just 1 trophy in 3 decades.
Probably all these reasons are why the narrative is about Spurs needing to win a trophy.
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Leicester only won it because everybody (including all the officials) were swept along by the fairy tale once it became clear they had a chance.
The amount of refereeing bias, gifted penalties etc they enjoyed in that title race (along with their defenders being allowed to rugby tackle opponents on a game by game basis) etc was there for all to see.
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Pen-cester City
posted on 11/1/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
It must be bad. We're now at the level of getting stick from a Scot for not winning trophies.
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Replying to my own comment here but it always makes me think of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugmBqZ_S3c
posted on 11/1/21
City did literally buy the FA Cup I suppose.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55586021
posted on 11/1/21
So many big clubs on that list who have a long trophy drought. Spurs have a great chance this year but this has been City's competition and they will equal our record of 8 if they win in April.
Clubs like Spurs, Leeds, Villa etc should win more.
posted on 11/1/21
Newcastle actually won the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup (UEFA Cup/Europa League) in 1969.
That has to be regarded as a major trophy.
posted on 11/1/21
Why should Leeds? They’ve been a lower league club for 16 years.
posted on 11/1/21
Ipswich Hospital Charity Cup Winners
posted on 11/1/21
Unlike those other clubs we've established ourselves as top 4/6 club for the last decade. Other than City who had bought their way into it and now have the trophies to show for it, nobody else has done the same. You can argue for Leicester since they won the league and finished 5th last season, but I think most don't consider them one of the big clubs yet. That might change.
We need a trophy to match our league performances and our ambition, now that we also have the new stadium, in the way that the rest of the top 6 have managed one or more since they have been top 6 clubs. If we as fans are considering ourselves as one of the big clubs like the media do then it isn't bias at all if they make out we need a trophy. Part of why we 'need' to win a trophy is to keep our important players happy anyway.
posted on 11/1/21
I wonder how much more emphasis teams would put on the FA Cup is it meant qualifying for the CL potentially.
posted on 11/1/21
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
OP, your problem is that you really do believe everything in the media?
Trust me, they are click-baiters and will hook in, with nonsense and it seems it's getting to you.
The "Media"...I mean which media? who are you taking about?
Spurs have won trophies. In fact, Spurs were the first in many a trophy: including first to do the double.
Plenty of trophies with Spurs name on
Don't click on that link, SteveF
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first to do a double....that was pre-me & i'm 58
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58 and try to troll like a spotty kid, should be locked up - embarassing
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Says the guy listing Spurs cup wins...that's embarrasing
posted on 11/1/21
Tbh Spurs should in recent years be lifting trophies.
Under Jol we were a top 5 team.
Under 'Arry / AVB we were a top 4 team
Under Poch we were a top 3 team.
This points to sufficient quality to be able to lift a trophy.
Ironic that we actually did when we had one of the worst squads and managers of the last 15 years.
The difficulty is that there are no certainties AND what has often favoured the successful teams is that we have rarely had a squad able to compete when it really matters. The squad has not been big enough to take all the cups seriously particularly as things come to a head in the latter parts of the season.
Having said that we have made a good few SFs, and the fact these have often come to nought points at a mentality issue more than an ability issue.
I would not be soo stupid as to say we MUST win a trophy this season. All I want to see is for us to perform in the big moments.
If you take the League Cup final to come, if we perform and City perform then we may still lose. So often we have seen a lack of performance - UCL final , FA Cup & League SFs vs Chelsea, FA Cup SF vs Man Utd - all in the last 5 years
We are in a final which is excellent. Best we could have done so far. If we play well but lose, so be it. The better team will have won and that's no disgrace vs the Man City Fantasy football project. If we play badly and lose then nothing has changed and that is when I shall be annoyed at continued failure.
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 29 minutes ago
Why should Leeds? They’ve been a lower league club for 16 years.
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Doesn't mean they're not a big club
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
Tbh Spurs should in recent years be lifting trophies.
Under Jol we were a top 5 team.
Under 'Arry / AVB we were a top 4 team
Under Poch we were a top 3 team.
This points to sufficient quality to be able to lift a trophy.
Ironic that we actually did when we had one of the worst squads and managers of the last 15 years.
The difficulty is that there are no certainties AND what has often favoured the successful teams is that we have rarely had a squad able to compete when it really matters. The squad has not been big enough to take all the cups seriously particularly as things come to a head in the latter parts of the season.
Having said that we have made a good few SFs, and the fact these have often come to nought points at a mentality issue more than an ability issue.
I would not be soo stupid as to say we MUST win a trophy this season. All I want to see is for us to perform in the big moments.
If you take the League Cup final to come, if we perform and City perform then we may still lose. So often we have seen a lack of performance - UCL final , FA Cup & League SFs vs Chelsea, FA Cup SF vs Man Utd - all in the last 5 years
We are in a final which is excellent. Best we could have done so far. If we play well but lose, so be it. The better team will have won and that's no disgrace vs the Man City Fantasy football project. If we play badly and lose then nothing has changed and that is when I shall be annoyed at continued failure.
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I think winning the League Cup final is vital to showing we have changed and improved. Especially given that we beat City in the league this season so we have shown we can do it. A great performance in the final but a defeat to me shows nothing has changed at all. Conversely a poor performance where we somehow get the win shows that the mentality has changed.
posted on 11/1/21
They aren’t, but that’s beside the point. Big club or not, when a team that has spent that long in the lower leagues it doesn’t make any sense to say they should have been winning trophies.
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
Tbh Spurs should in recent years be lifting trophies.
Under Jol we were a top 5 team.
Under 'Arry / AVB we were a top 4 team
Under Poch we were a top 3 team.
This points to sufficient quality to be able to lift a trophy.
Ironic that we actually did when we had one of the worst squads and managers of the last 15 years.
The difficulty is that there are no certainties AND what has often favoured the successful teams is that we have rarely had a squad able to compete when it really matters. The squad has not been big enough to take all the cups seriously particularly as things come to a head in the latter parts of the season.
Having said that we have made a good few SFs, and the fact these have often come to nought points at a mentality issue more than an ability issue.
I would not be soo stupid as to say we MUST win a trophy this season. All I want to see is for us to perform in the big moments.
If you take the League Cup final to come, if we perform and City perform then we may still lose. So often we have seen a lack of performance - UCL final , FA Cup & League SFs vs Chelsea, FA Cup SF vs Man Utd - all in the last 5 years
We are in a final which is excellent. Best we could have done so far. If we play well but lose, so be it. The better team will have won and that's no disgrace vs the Man City Fantasy football project. If we play badly and lose then nothing has changed and that is when I shall be annoyed at continued failure.
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I think winning the League Cup final is vital to showing we have changed and improved. Especially given that we beat City in the league this season so we have shown we can do it. A great performance in the final but a defeat to me shows nothing has changed at all. Conversely a poor performance where we somehow get the win shows that the mentality has changed.
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Totally agree, nothing has changed if we don’t win the league cup final. We have proven we can beat city and we have done it many times, so nobody can sit and tell me that City are the better side. We can win it and we need to win it. It means a lot more to us than it does City. Win that cup and get the monkey off our back. We then go on for bigger trophies after. Lose it, we are the same old bottle job Tottenham.
posted on 11/1/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
Tbh Spurs should in recent years be lifting trophies.
Under Jol we were a top 5 team.
Under 'Arry / AVB we were a top 4 team
Under Poch we were a top 3 team.
This points to sufficient quality to be able to lift a trophy.
Ironic that we actually did when we had one of the worst squads and managers of the last 15 years.
The difficulty is that there are no certainties AND what has often favoured the successful teams is that we have rarely had a squad able to compete when it really matters. The squad has not been big enough to take all the cups seriously particularly as things come to a head in the latter parts of the season.
Having said that we have made a good few SFs, and the fact these have often come to nought points at a mentality issue more than an ability issue.
I would not be soo stupid as to say we MUST win a trophy this season. All I want to see is for us to perform in the big moments.
If you take the League Cup final to come, if we perform and City perform then we may still lose. So often we have seen a lack of performance - UCL final , FA Cup & League SFs vs Chelsea, FA Cup SF vs Man Utd - all in the last 5 years
We are in a final which is excellent. Best we could have done so far. If we play well but lose, so be it. The better team will have won and that's no disgrace vs the Man City Fantasy football project. If we play badly and lose then nothing has changed and that is when I shall be annoyed at continued failure.
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I think winning the League Cup final is vital to showing we have changed and improved. Especially given that we beat City in the league this season so we have shown we can do it. A great performance in the final but a defeat to me shows nothing has changed at all. Conversely a poor performance where we somehow get the win shows that the mentality has changed.
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Totally agree, nothing has changed if we don’t win the league cup final. We have proven we can beat city and we have done it many times, so nobody can sit and tell me that City are the better side. We can win it and we need to win it. It means a lot more to us than it does City. Win that cup and get the monkey off our back. We then go on for bigger trophies after. Lose it, we are the same old bottle job Tottenham.
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Everything has changed if we don't win the league cup final or any other silverware. Aside from Burnley we're probably playing the worst football in the division, certainly within the big 6. To not win anything playing like that is a disaster. Can you imagine playing as we are for the usual 3 season Jose stint and having nothing to show for it. It would be awful. Everything has changed in terms of style, and we'd better have something to show for it.
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