I agree OP it’s an outrage. Back when I was younger we used to play 378 games a year and a broken leg only afforded us half an hours drinks breaks.
Basketball players play WAY more games than footballers and cricketers play for WAY longer periods of time. It’s a disgrace. Absolute bunch of hailstones!!!!
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
their trying too ban us from calling leed's the white's because its offensive too black people yet there not trying too ban us from calling new zealand the all black's double standard's we are the one's being oppress'ed
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who is "their" [sic]?
New Zealand football team is called "the all whites"
Also.
https://www.google.com/search?q=leeds+united+the+whites&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk00YzyZWf19q5IEH7hrtS4wXdRpWeA:1610480524793&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJ-uO8k5fuAhV0u3EKHSlCBJAQ_AUoAXoECBAQAw&biw=1536&bih=750
whoever "their" is, they aint doing a very good job at banning us being called the whites
I thought this article was about Leeds United’s new nickname.
Every team has a big squad though, so they need rotating and the first few rounds of the cup is a great way to blood young players in, give an opportunity to someone who's been out injured.
We had most of our starting 11 against a L2 side, it should have been out of sight by half time.
We had a 30m striker starting, an ex Real Madrid player in goal and young players who have been in the squad for years.
It's a poor excuse if you think we lost because some players might be snowflakes.
The game is so different to the 60's/70's. It's so much more than just putting 11 players out in a 442 formation, the work that goes on in the background and the squads are double the size at least.
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Every team has a big squad though, so they need rotating and the first few rounds of the cup is a great way to blood young players in, give an opportunity to someone who's been out injured.
We had most of our starting 11 against a L2 side, it should have been out of sight by half time.
We had a 30m striker starting, an ex Real Madrid player in goal and young players who have been in the squad for years.
It's a poor excuse if you think we lost because some players might be snowflakes.
The game is so different to the 60's/70's. It's so much more than just putting 11 players out in a 442 formation, the work that goes on in the background and the squads are double the size at least.
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The article doesn't even make sense to us.
Under Bielsa we have never rotated, the players are expected to play 3 games a week and did for two years in the Championship. I can't think of a single example of players needing or being given rest.
We obviously got it wrong in against Crawley by playing a weakened team and using it as a training game. But given that we have never ever given players rests it's clear that it was done to give players not playing a chance rather than to rest tired players.
To take one game as if it is the norm and disregard 2 years of evidence doesn't make sense.
You could make the argument for Man City & Pep who rotates all the time but the criticism Bielsa receives is that he does not rotate!
My support goes back many, many years & back in the Revie era not only was the game much harder & more rugged but we played a 42 game league season, not 38, plus cups that entailed one, two even three replays on occasion. This on top of regular two legged European fixtures & don't forget only one sub was allowed in those days. However did they manage? We regularly put out the same side with Paul Madeley filling in for whoever was injured.
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Would Revie's side have won more if they rotated and used a squad?
They were the best team for a decade but had only 2 league titles, 2 domestic cups and 2 fairs cups to show for it. They were runners up 11 times. That's because they went for every competition they were in and didn't rotate.
I don't think the team needed as many changes as we had on Sunday, but your point using Revie as an example doesn't hold up.
The F A Cup should still be treated as a very serious competition to win, an opportunity to build a winning team, a winning mentality...
I think the competition has suffered mainly for 2 reasons, the advent of the Premier League and the influx of foreign coaches and players, whom the majority I suspect don't get the historic significance we have for the FA Cup.
Didn't Revie and the top clubs in England had very strong squads, I'm sure they did...was it 29 International players Leeds had for a few seasons?
Squads are not a 21st century invention...the clubs reserves and youth teams were always very strong back in the day and frequently topped up the 1st team, Madeley, Bates and Belfitt were always around the 1st team.
Why is no one talking about individual performances, Pablo, Poveda and Costa should have been pushing for a first team place and ripped the game up yet they were awful, some fans think Poveda and Pablo should be starting in the PL, they are to blame along with a coupe of others not Bielsa
Big clubs do take it seriously but most of the time in the early rounds they can play a second string and still win. In the last 20 or 30 years can only think of Portsmouth and Wigan that won it outside of the top teams.
Let’s face facts. We aren’t an established PL club yet and our squad shows this.
Look at other clubs who play their second string and most have internationals starting. I think Spurs had 9 starting the other day.
I think the FA Cup has been in decline since the year ManU didn’t play. It’s almost as if other clubs never really took it seriously any more. The PL is much more important and staying in it is paramount.
I’d love a cup run but with our squad it’s just not going to happen.
I agree though that Pablo, Costa, Poveda and a few others missed an opportunity to get back in the first team. Only Poveda made a case for himself.
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posted on 12/1/21
I agree OP it’s an outrage. Back when I was younger we used to play 378 games a year and a broken leg only afforded us half an hours drinks breaks.
Basketball players play WAY more games than footballers and cricketers play for WAY longer periods of time. It’s a disgrace. Absolute bunch of hailstones!!!!
posted on 12/1/21
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
their trying too ban us from calling leed's the white's because its offensive too black people yet there not trying too ban us from calling new zealand the all black's double standard's we are the one's being oppress'ed
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who is "their" [sic]?
New Zealand football team is called "the all whites"
posted on 12/1/21
Also.
https://www.google.com/search?q=leeds+united+the+whites&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk00YzyZWf19q5IEH7hrtS4wXdRpWeA:1610480524793&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJ-uO8k5fuAhV0u3EKHSlCBJAQ_AUoAXoECBAQAw&biw=1536&bih=750
whoever "their" is, they aint doing a very good job at banning us being called the whites
posted on 12/1/21
I thought this article was about Leeds United’s new nickname.
posted on 13/1/21
Every team has a big squad though, so they need rotating and the first few rounds of the cup is a great way to blood young players in, give an opportunity to someone who's been out injured.
We had most of our starting 11 against a L2 side, it should have been out of sight by half time.
We had a 30m striker starting, an ex Real Madrid player in goal and young players who have been in the squad for years.
It's a poor excuse if you think we lost because some players might be snowflakes.
The game is so different to the 60's/70's. It's so much more than just putting 11 players out in a 442 formation, the work that goes on in the background and the squads are double the size at least.
posted on 13/1/21
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Every team has a big squad though, so they need rotating and the first few rounds of the cup is a great way to blood young players in, give an opportunity to someone who's been out injured.
We had most of our starting 11 against a L2 side, it should have been out of sight by half time.
We had a 30m striker starting, an ex Real Madrid player in goal and young players who have been in the squad for years.
It's a poor excuse if you think we lost because some players might be snowflakes.
The game is so different to the 60's/70's. It's so much more than just putting 11 players out in a 442 formation, the work that goes on in the background and the squads are double the size at least.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The article doesn't even make sense to us.
Under Bielsa we have never rotated, the players are expected to play 3 games a week and did for two years in the Championship. I can't think of a single example of players needing or being given rest.
We obviously got it wrong in against Crawley by playing a weakened team and using it as a training game. But given that we have never ever given players rests it's clear that it was done to give players not playing a chance rather than to rest tired players.
To take one game as if it is the norm and disregard 2 years of evidence doesn't make sense.
You could make the argument for Man City & Pep who rotates all the time but the criticism Bielsa receives is that he does not rotate!
posted on 13/1/21
My support goes back many, many years & back in the Revie era not only was the game much harder & more rugged but we played a 42 game league season, not 38, plus cups that entailed one, two even three replays on occasion. This on top of regular two legged European fixtures & don't forget only one sub was allowed in those days. However did they manage? We regularly put out the same side with Paul Madeley filling in for whoever was injured.
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Would Revie's side have won more if they rotated and used a squad?
They were the best team for a decade but had only 2 league titles, 2 domestic cups and 2 fairs cups to show for it. They were runners up 11 times. That's because they went for every competition they were in and didn't rotate.
I don't think the team needed as many changes as we had on Sunday, but your point using Revie as an example doesn't hold up.
posted on 13/1/21
The F A Cup should still be treated as a very serious competition to win, an opportunity to build a winning team, a winning mentality...
I think the competition has suffered mainly for 2 reasons, the advent of the Premier League and the influx of foreign coaches and players, whom the majority I suspect don't get the historic significance we have for the FA Cup.
Didn't Revie and the top clubs in England had very strong squads, I'm sure they did...was it 29 International players Leeds had for a few seasons?
Squads are not a 21st century invention...the clubs reserves and youth teams were always very strong back in the day and frequently topped up the 1st team, Madeley, Bates and Belfitt were always around the 1st team.
posted on 13/1/21
Why is no one talking about individual performances, Pablo, Poveda and Costa should have been pushing for a first team place and ripped the game up yet they were awful, some fans think Poveda and Pablo should be starting in the PL, they are to blame along with a coupe of others not Bielsa
posted on 13/1/21
Big clubs do take it seriously but most of the time in the early rounds they can play a second string and still win. In the last 20 or 30 years can only think of Portsmouth and Wigan that won it outside of the top teams.
posted on 13/1/21
Let’s face facts. We aren’t an established PL club yet and our squad shows this.
Look at other clubs who play their second string and most have internationals starting. I think Spurs had 9 starting the other day.
I think the FA Cup has been in decline since the year ManU didn’t play. It’s almost as if other clubs never really took it seriously any more. The PL is much more important and staying in it is paramount.
I’d love a cup run but with our squad it’s just not going to happen.
I agree though that Pablo, Costa, Poveda and a few others missed an opportunity to get back in the first team. Only Poveda made a case for himself.
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