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Frustrating cos he always says the right thing but then when it comes to setting the team up we're so abject and his game management is just plain weird sometimes
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Sometimes you need to look at the players and their resonsibilities.
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Only when looking at the manager, his attitude and tactical approach, doesn't give you every answer you need as to why it's going wrong. Which is the case here. Arteta has done almost everything wrong this season. So there's no need to start looking at individual players for blame in why it's gone so wrong in terms of results, especially when we can all see they have for the most part done as he said to do on the pitch despite telling him themselves that crap wouldn't work..
A team of 80 mil + superstars will under-perform shockingly if the man in charge gets almost every decision he makes, wrong. This season we've all reaped exact;y what has been sewn by Arteta and Arteta alone. Sure we can have odd gripes about odd players but the "Blame" here lies squarely at Arteta's feet ONLY!
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 10 minutes ago
Arteta needs to do what he says and start with men that have ‘big balls’ - right now that definitely doesn’t include Pepe, Ceballos and Aubameyang.
If Saka, ESR, Martinelli and Xhaka are fit it should be a no-brainer to start them. Odegaard must play so if they are all fit I would also drop Lacazette to the bench.
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The problem he has with that is that he can't deal with players who have big balls. Every player whom has shown him any sign of having a pair, he's kicked off the team. Sadly for us, it is the Guen types of this world whom go on to become the Viera's. 'Big Balls' aka leadership ability is inherently a quality born of having a mind of your own and the balls to use, speak it and and back it up, it against the trend if necessary.
For Arteta, that is something he doesn't like and will not stand for. He's like a farmer who doesn't just want to be in charge of an wants an entire flock of quiet obedient little sheep but critical error, he wants to be the sheepdog too. That can't work and as a result he handicapped his own MF because his ego couldn't deal with/understand a fiesty young sheepdog Named Guen who was effectively telling him from the start, "You're meant to be the farmer, not the sheepdog, that's my job."
Players with big balls, will not be allowed on Arteta's team, no siree.
We are all giving Arteta more time than he deserves because he is a former player and comes across as being quite a nice guy.
The crux of the matter is that he is simply not good enough to manage this club. His man manegement skills are appalling and tactically he is deficient. The result is that he is not getting the best out of these players.
Does anyone seriously think that a Tuchel, Klopp , or Rodgers could not be doing a better job with these players? Are West Ham, in 4th,really a better team , player for player than us ?
Arteta has had his chance and his lack of experience has been his downfall. He is definitely not the man to take us forward and needs to go at the end of the season at the latest .
I can see some of you don't just not rate Arteta but you all seem to have grown some rage and hatred towards a man who has actually not done anything to you personally.
Arteta throughout his time at the club has shown he has the potential to be a top manager. When Emery was in charge we had no identity, no tactics, no direction, no style of play and no defensive structure.
Under Arteta we have become a lot better defensively (yes players have made individual errors but nothing Arteta can do about that). We have a style of play under him, we have structure in place, we are better tactically, etc...
Yes Arteta has made and will continue to make errors but he is learning from them. He was handicapped in the first half of the season with no No.10 to play as ESR was not fit until xmas. Since then we have been better.
Arteta will have another window this summer and hopefully he can get rid of the players he wants to let go and sign the players we need. The board need to back him.
If by November time we are still this inconsistent then perhaps we need to look for a new manager but I have seen enough so far from him to see we are progressing.
Yes we have some inconsistent performances but thats because many in this squad are not good enough or no longer good enough. Go through the squad and you'd be surprised how many of these players you would sell. Its bloody average at best. Lets not fool ourselves into believing this is a top 6 squad when it isnt.
The team I would play tonight is
Leno
Bellerin Holding Gabriel Cedric
Partey Xhaka
Saka Odegaard ESR
Lacazette
However likelihood is Auba will go left wing with ESR on the bench.
Nice guy??? Nah, Arteta the player came across as a nice guy. Arteta the man comes across really, REALLY badly, as a complete tool of a bloke. Stubborn, rude, unable to see his own errors and plainly bias as feck. Ho he comes across is probably his single largest flaw. He doen't have the experience and record to warrant his attitude and seemingly (rightly) as a result his players ain't putting up with it or buying into anything he says because they know damned well he doesn't have the walk to back up his talk.
Assuming Arteta the player was essentially Arteta the man, this persona that is Arteta the manager, is some falsely constructed in his own head idea of what a manager is/should be and not Arteta the man simply doing the management job. He isn't Pep, he's never going to be Pep and even if he was he'll never have the resources Pep always had. Maybe he should just stop trying to be Pep and just be himself. Might win more games that way.
Kami we've become so much better defensively by sacrificing almost all attacking play to do so. It's not great management or great management potential, it's par for the damned course. If you stop players making attacking runs, taking any risk at all and operationg in the centre of the opposition 3rd. Then force all your players to look to pass backwards/sideways first never forwards, just so you can sit on the ball in your own half for 85 of 90 mins. Then OF COURSE you'll become far better defensively.
Sorry but his repeated bad decisions and more importantly his refusal/inability to see or accept that he is doing the wrong thing and change it, is totally contrary to the idea he's shown good potential. Good potential for repeated stubborn, bloody-minded losses maybe, but successfully managing a football club, no chance. Because to do that a manager HAS to be able to see and accept when he's wrong and make changes, not double down on dumbass. The hate directed at Arteta is about the utterly dire football he has this team playing. That's what he's "done to" fans. He was supposed to make things better than under Emery, not lots worse.
Arteta should only keep his job if he's going to change his ways. If his plan is simply to press on and keep on until ke will let him replace all the players with a set shom actually have the attributes suitable to play his crap football and win more often that not. If he's not going to change it up, then he's GOT to go. At the end of the day, none of us want to keep watching the team play in this crappy tactical system he adamantly insists. Not interested in watching boring slow-paced matches and it's actually an insult to the club's identity that he's turned up and even dared attempting to. Deserves every miserable loss he's had and more for that.
“Arteta throughout his time at the club has shown he has the potential to be a top manager. When Emery was in charge we had no identity, no tactics, no direction, no style of play and no defensive structure.”
Has he? He certainly showed promise with our FA Cup run but I’ve seen nothing to suggest that he is a top manager. Not saying he won’t be, just that he hasn’t shown that he will be one. Also what exactly is our identity?
“Under Arteta we have become a lot better defensively (yes players have made individual errors but nothing Arteta can do about that). We have a style of play under him, we have structure in place, we are better tactically, etc...”
1 clean sheet in 16 games. Our defence may have improved but it’s still pretty shiiit, and our ‘pragmatic’ (putting it mildly) approach has seriously hindered our attacking play.
“Yes Arteta has made and will continue to make errors but he is learning from them. He was handicapped in the first half of the season with no No.10 to play as ESR was not fit until xmas. Since then we have been better.”
That’s rubbish though because he was playing 3 at the back and had no need for a 10. He basically handicapped himself with his tactical inflexibility.
“Arteta will have another window this summer and hopefully he can get rid of the players he wants to let go and sign the players we need. The board need to back him.”
If Arteta gets rid of the players he wants to then say bye bye to AMN, Gwen, Martinelli, Balogun and Saliba - the so called future of Arsenal all ostracised and effectively banished from playing for the first team. For a club with our supposed financial constraints, we should be trying to improve and increase the value of these guys, not force them out at cut prices.
“If by November time we are still this inconsistent then perhaps we need to look for a new manager but I have seen enough so far from him to see we are progressing”
So judge him in November? Lol. Haven’t you learned from Emery sacking that changing the manager mid season effectively writes it off? What has Arteta done to warrant an extra season? Assuming we don’t win the Europa, it will be a trophyless season and another 8th-10th finish. How is that progress? (If we win the Europa fair enough)
“Yes we have some inconsistent performances but thats because many in this squad are not good enough or no longer good enough. Go through the squad and you'd be surprised how many of these players you would sell. Its bloody average at best. Lets not fool ourselves into believing this is a top 6 squad when it isnt.”
Every team below City has been inconsistent. I wouldn’t use inconsistent to describe us though. We’ve been consistently poor. You could probably count the games on 2 hands where we have played at a level fitting of the club - Olympiakos (A), Spurs (H), Leicester (A), Wolves (A), WBA (A), Chelsea (H), United (A), Leeds (H), Southampton (A)
Apart from that, what else is there? More often than not we don’t show up and I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t show up tonight, either, for what is now our biggest game of the season
OMG that xi
Meltdown incoming!!!
Leno
Bellerin, Holding, Gabriel, Cedric
Partey, Xhaka
Saka, ESR, Willian
Laca
Subs: Ryan, Hein, Ceballos, Aubameyang, Pepe, Mari, Nelson, Elneny, Nketiah, Martinelli, Lopez, Azeez.
Good to see Miggy on the bench. Joel getting close to a left back spot.
Willy fan boy Seebs. Thought Pepe was your man.
I mean, we have an awful squad of players. Either which way it was going to be a meh selection. Just happy Starboy and ESR are back.
Looking forward to "ball retention" and "bAlL rEtEnTiOn" to be overused in this thread tonight.
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Sorry. They're obsessed with me
Looking at that bench, we are very close to a big ol' defensive injury crisis.
Pablo Mari and Joel Lopez the only defenders on the bench. Chambers the latest casualty.
Ok team. Just hate it when Willian gets in the team instead of Martinelli
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posted on 8/4/21
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 4 days, 14 hours ago
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 2 seconds ago
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1378460311896915979
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Frustrating cos he always says the right thing but then when it comes to setting the team up we're so abject and his game management is just plain weird sometimes
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Sometimes you need to look at the players and their resonsibilities.
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Only when looking at the manager, his attitude and tactical approach, doesn't give you every answer you need as to why it's going wrong. Which is the case here. Arteta has done almost everything wrong this season. So there's no need to start looking at individual players for blame in why it's gone so wrong in terms of results, especially when we can all see they have for the most part done as he said to do on the pitch despite telling him themselves that crap wouldn't work..
A team of 80 mil + superstars will under-perform shockingly if the man in charge gets almost every decision he makes, wrong. This season we've all reaped exact;y what has been sewn by Arteta and Arteta alone. Sure we can have odd gripes about odd players but the "Blame" here lies squarely at Arteta's feet ONLY!
posted on 8/4/21
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 10 minutes ago
Arteta needs to do what he says and start with men that have ‘big balls’ - right now that definitely doesn’t include Pepe, Ceballos and Aubameyang.
If Saka, ESR, Martinelli and Xhaka are fit it should be a no-brainer to start them. Odegaard must play so if they are all fit I would also drop Lacazette to the bench.
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The problem he has with that is that he can't deal with players who have big balls. Every player whom has shown him any sign of having a pair, he's kicked off the team. Sadly for us, it is the Guen types of this world whom go on to become the Viera's. 'Big Balls' aka leadership ability is inherently a quality born of having a mind of your own and the balls to use, speak it and and back it up, it against the trend if necessary.
For Arteta, that is something he doesn't like and will not stand for. He's like a farmer who doesn't just want to be in charge of an wants an entire flock of quiet obedient little sheep but critical error, he wants to be the sheepdog too. That can't work and as a result he handicapped his own MF because his ego couldn't deal with/understand a fiesty young sheepdog Named Guen who was effectively telling him from the start, "You're meant to be the farmer, not the sheepdog, that's my job."
Players with big balls, will not be allowed on Arteta's team, no siree.
posted on 8/4/21
We are all giving Arteta more time than he deserves because he is a former player and comes across as being quite a nice guy.
The crux of the matter is that he is simply not good enough to manage this club. His man manegement skills are appalling and tactically he is deficient. The result is that he is not getting the best out of these players.
Does anyone seriously think that a Tuchel, Klopp , or Rodgers could not be doing a better job with these players? Are West Ham, in 4th,really a better team , player for player than us ?
Arteta has had his chance and his lack of experience has been his downfall. He is definitely not the man to take us forward and needs to go at the end of the season at the latest .
posted on 8/4/21
I can see some of you don't just not rate Arteta but you all seem to have grown some rage and hatred towards a man who has actually not done anything to you personally.
Arteta throughout his time at the club has shown he has the potential to be a top manager. When Emery was in charge we had no identity, no tactics, no direction, no style of play and no defensive structure.
Under Arteta we have become a lot better defensively (yes players have made individual errors but nothing Arteta can do about that). We have a style of play under him, we have structure in place, we are better tactically, etc...
Yes Arteta has made and will continue to make errors but he is learning from them. He was handicapped in the first half of the season with no No.10 to play as ESR was not fit until xmas. Since then we have been better.
Arteta will have another window this summer and hopefully he can get rid of the players he wants to let go and sign the players we need. The board need to back him.
If by November time we are still this inconsistent then perhaps we need to look for a new manager but I have seen enough so far from him to see we are progressing.
Yes we have some inconsistent performances but thats because many in this squad are not good enough or no longer good enough. Go through the squad and you'd be surprised how many of these players you would sell. Its bloody average at best. Lets not fool ourselves into believing this is a top 6 squad when it isnt.
The team I would play tonight is
Leno
Bellerin Holding Gabriel Cedric
Partey Xhaka
Saka Odegaard ESR
Lacazette
However likelihood is Auba will go left wing with ESR on the bench.
posted on 8/4/21
Nice guy??? Nah, Arteta the player came across as a nice guy. Arteta the man comes across really, REALLY badly, as a complete tool of a bloke. Stubborn, rude, unable to see his own errors and plainly bias as feck. Ho he comes across is probably his single largest flaw. He doen't have the experience and record to warrant his attitude and seemingly (rightly) as a result his players ain't putting up with it or buying into anything he says because they know damned well he doesn't have the walk to back up his talk.
Assuming Arteta the player was essentially Arteta the man, this persona that is Arteta the manager, is some falsely constructed in his own head idea of what a manager is/should be and not Arteta the man simply doing the management job. He isn't Pep, he's never going to be Pep and even if he was he'll never have the resources Pep always had. Maybe he should just stop trying to be Pep and just be himself. Might win more games that way.
posted on 8/4/21
Kami we've become so much better defensively by sacrificing almost all attacking play to do so. It's not great management or great management potential, it's par for the damned course. If you stop players making attacking runs, taking any risk at all and operationg in the centre of the opposition 3rd. Then force all your players to look to pass backwards/sideways first never forwards, just so you can sit on the ball in your own half for 85 of 90 mins. Then OF COURSE you'll become far better defensively.
Sorry but his repeated bad decisions and more importantly his refusal/inability to see or accept that he is doing the wrong thing and change it, is totally contrary to the idea he's shown good potential. Good potential for repeated stubborn, bloody-minded losses maybe, but successfully managing a football club, no chance. Because to do that a manager HAS to be able to see and accept when he's wrong and make changes, not double down on dumbass. The hate directed at Arteta is about the utterly dire football he has this team playing. That's what he's "done to" fans. He was supposed to make things better than under Emery, not lots worse.
Arteta should only keep his job if he's going to change his ways. If his plan is simply to press on and keep on until ke will let him replace all the players with a set shom actually have the attributes suitable to play his crap football and win more often that not. If he's not going to change it up, then he's GOT to go. At the end of the day, none of us want to keep watching the team play in this crappy tactical system he adamantly insists. Not interested in watching boring slow-paced matches and it's actually an insult to the club's identity that he's turned up and even dared attempting to. Deserves every miserable loss he's had and more for that.
posted on 8/4/21
Woo football
posted on 8/4/21
“Arteta throughout his time at the club has shown he has the potential to be a top manager. When Emery was in charge we had no identity, no tactics, no direction, no style of play and no defensive structure.”
Has he? He certainly showed promise with our FA Cup run but I’ve seen nothing to suggest that he is a top manager. Not saying he won’t be, just that he hasn’t shown that he will be one. Also what exactly is our identity?
“Under Arteta we have become a lot better defensively (yes players have made individual errors but nothing Arteta can do about that). We have a style of play under him, we have structure in place, we are better tactically, etc...”
1 clean sheet in 16 games. Our defence may have improved but it’s still pretty shiiit, and our ‘pragmatic’ (putting it mildly) approach has seriously hindered our attacking play.
“Yes Arteta has made and will continue to make errors but he is learning from them. He was handicapped in the first half of the season with no No.10 to play as ESR was not fit until xmas. Since then we have been better.”
That’s rubbish though because he was playing 3 at the back and had no need for a 10. He basically handicapped himself with his tactical inflexibility.
“Arteta will have another window this summer and hopefully he can get rid of the players he wants to let go and sign the players we need. The board need to back him.”
If Arteta gets rid of the players he wants to then say bye bye to AMN, Gwen, Martinelli, Balogun and Saliba - the so called future of Arsenal all ostracised and effectively banished from playing for the first team. For a club with our supposed financial constraints, we should be trying to improve and increase the value of these guys, not force them out at cut prices.
“If by November time we are still this inconsistent then perhaps we need to look for a new manager but I have seen enough so far from him to see we are progressing”
So judge him in November? Lol. Haven’t you learned from Emery sacking that changing the manager mid season effectively writes it off? What has Arteta done to warrant an extra season? Assuming we don’t win the Europa, it will be a trophyless season and another 8th-10th finish. How is that progress? (If we win the Europa fair enough)
“Yes we have some inconsistent performances but thats because many in this squad are not good enough or no longer good enough. Go through the squad and you'd be surprised how many of these players you would sell. Its bloody average at best. Lets not fool ourselves into believing this is a top 6 squad when it isnt.”
Every team below City has been inconsistent. I wouldn’t use inconsistent to describe us though. We’ve been consistently poor. You could probably count the games on 2 hands where we have played at a level fitting of the club - Olympiakos (A), Spurs (H), Leicester (A), Wolves (A), WBA (A), Chelsea (H), United (A), Leeds (H), Southampton (A)
Apart from that, what else is there? More often than not we don’t show up and I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t show up tonight, either, for what is now our biggest game of the season
posted on 8/4/21
OMG that xi
Meltdown incoming!!!
posted on 8/4/21
Stop saying that ffs
posted on 8/4/21
Leno
Bellerin, Holding, Gabriel, Cedric
Partey, Xhaka
Saka, ESR, Willian
Laca
posted on 8/4/21
Subs: Ryan, Hein, Ceballos, Aubameyang, Pepe, Mari, Nelson, Elneny, Nketiah, Martinelli, Lopez, Azeez.
Good to see Miggy on the bench. Joel getting close to a left back spot.
posted on 8/4/21
Nah, decent team tbh
posted on 8/4/21
Willy fan boy Seebs. Thought Pepe was your man.
posted on 8/4/21
I mean, we have an awful squad of players. Either which way it was going to be a meh selection. Just happy Starboy and ESR are back.
posted on 8/4/21
Looking forward to "ball retention" and "bAlL rEtEnTiOn" to be overused in this thread tonight.
posted on 8/4/21
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 12 minutes ago
Looking forward to "ball retention" and "bAlL rEtEnTiOn" to be overused in this thread tonight.
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Sorry. They're obsessed with me
posted on 8/4/21
Looking at that bench, we are very close to a big ol' defensive injury crisis.
Pablo Mari and Joel Lopez the only defenders on the bench. Chambers the latest casualty.
posted on 8/4/21
Ok team. Just hate it when Willian gets in the team instead of Martinelli
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Shame your da' had none.
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Oof
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Whos nervous then?
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