Still don't get it. My beef with Arteta was that they shut down the negotiation for 6 months. That never made sense. But it looks as if its too late now. Could Arteta have done more to persuade him earlier? Maybe.
I suspect why he didn't was because Arteta was far too focussed on experienced players and ESR's emergence has woken him up a bit.
But how can anyone say the coaches were incorrect abt Balogun. They maybe in the future. But at the moment I would love to know how Balogun has become world class?
But how can anyone say the coaches were incorrect abt Balogun. They maybe in the future. But at the moment I would love to know how Balogun has become world class?
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No he's not world class but needs game time to show his talents in place of some of the hasbeens up front now.
Exactly, you keep asking questions, I answer them. I am not moving goalposts.
You asked why Arteta didn't play Balogun 18 months ago. It is because he wasn't manager.
You asked why Nketiah came into the team. Because Arteta had just joined, he had little time to evaluate the squad, Nketiah had first team experience, and he did enough to suggest he could be back up to Auba and Laca.
Eddie is in the same situation as Balogun was 18 months ago? No, Eddie has a fair amount of first team games under his belt.
You asked why Balogun didn't come into the team. Because he had no first team experience, he had refused a contract offer, Arsenal weren't in a good position, Arteta had just started his first managerial job and couldn't gamble on a 17 year old kid who hadn't had any senior football, especially when he was refusing to commit to the club.
Emery didn't play Balogun in the Europa even though Nketiah wasn't at the club. Freddie didn't debut Balogun even though he worked with him at youth level and knew him better than anyone.
Ains played a half in a dead rubber CL game and had a minute in the league and FA Cup. Then was sent on loan. Not sure the relevence of bringing that up tbh.
Saka, Eddie and AMN were not demanding to be starters either, Balogun has, even from 13/14 months ago it seems.
Journalists were saying he wants to be part of the project now and doesn't want to wait, which is why he's not interested in signing a new deal and then go on loan to get game time. He wants everything instantly at Arsenal.
I do think the wage issue is a valid one, and that's partly why these negotiations have dragged out, but the agent has their own agenda.
It's not an easy situation to navigate through, especially as this issue has preceded Arteta.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
Still don't get it. My beef with Arteta was that they shut down the negotiation for 6 months. That never made sense. But it looks as if its too late now. Could Arteta have done more to persuade him earlier? Maybe.
I suspect why he didn't was because Arteta was far too focussed on experienced players and ESR's emergence has woken him up a bit.
But how can anyone say the coaches were incorrect abt Balogun. They maybe in the future. But at the moment I would love to know how Balogun has become world class?
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Nobody is saying he is world class. They are saying he hasn’t been given the chances that Eddie has to show if he is any good or not. And it’s not just Eddie under this current regime that has been given chances. Saka took his chances, ESR so far looks to be taking his chance. Eddie has not taken his chance and plays in the same position that Balogun, who has not been given a chance, does. It’s not difficult to figure out why comparisons are being made.
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 2 minutes ago
But how can anyone say the coaches were incorrect abt Balogun. They maybe in the future. But at the moment I would love to know how Balogun has become world class?
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No he's not world class but needs game time to show his talents in place of some of the hasbeens up front now.
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And if he signs a contract extension he'll get the chance. I mean you can even structure contracts regarding playing time or release if you want. But obviously Balogun is chasing money on reputations of Saka and ESR.
“ You asked why Arteta didn't play Balogun 18 months ago. It is because he wasn't manager.”
I asked why Balogun who had 18 months left on his contract when Arteta joined, the same duration Eddie has now, was not given a chance.
“You asked why Nketiah came into the team. Because Arteta had just joined, he had little time to evaluate the squad, Nketiah had first team experience, and he did enough to suggest he could be back up to Auba and Laca.
Eddie is in the same situation as Balogun was 18 months ago? No, Eddie has a fair amount of first team games under his belt.”
So we can agree here that Arteta simply backed the wrong horse when he came to the club - the comment I’ve said from the very start.
“ Emery didn't play Balogun in the Europa even though Nketiah wasn't at the club. Freddie didn't debut Balogun even though he worked with him at youth level and knew him better than anyone. ”
But neither of them played Eddie either so what have they got to do with anything The subject is why is Eddie getting more time than Balogun
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
Still don't get it. My beef with Arteta was that they shut down the negotiation for 6 months. That never made sense. But it looks as if its too late now. Could Arteta have done more to persuade him earlier? Maybe.
I suspect why he didn't was because Arteta was far too focussed on experienced players and ESR's emergence has woken him up a bit.
But how can anyone say the coaches were incorrect abt Balogun. They maybe in the future. But at the moment I would love to know how Balogun has become world class?
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Nobody is saying he is world class. They are saying he hasn’t been given the chances that Eddie has to show if he is any good or not. And it’s not just Eddie under this current regime that has been given chances. Saka took his chances, ESR so far looks to be taking his chance. Eddie has not taken his chance and plays in the same position that Balogun, who has not been given a chance, does. It’s not difficult to figure out why comparisons are being made.
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And if Balogun signs a new contract and he believes he is better than Eddie then he has a good chance of staying at the club when Eddie's contract comes up for renewal.
I honestly think you are on the wrong track here. This is not about Eddie vs Balogun.
I suspect its abt hype and his agent seeing an opportunity to use Saka and ESR's emergence to drum up business elsewhere. Its instant cashola.
In fact it seems to me his agent doesn't have that much faith in him so is trying to maximise his payday now rather than 2 or 3 years down the line.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 6 minutes ago
Saka, Eddie and AMN were not demanding to be starters either, Balogun has, even from 13/14 months ago it seems.
Journalists were saying he wants to be part of the project now and doesn't want to wait, which is why he's not interested in signing a new deal and then go on loan to get game time. He wants everything instantly at Arsenal.
I do think the wage issue is a valid one, and that's partly why these negotiations have dragged out, but the agent has their own agenda.
It's not an easy situation to navigate through, especially as this issue has preceded Arteta.
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Honestly I really don’t believe this rubbish. Nobody is telling me that a 19 year old kid who has played 60 minutes of first team football is demanding to start ahead of a French international and the club captain on £100k/week wages, which is what these journos you are following are supposedly saying.
It just sounds to me like the club are making Balogun come across as unreasonable as possible to soften the blow of him leaving. Next we will hear how he also demanded #10 on the back of his shirt
Bats, the contract Arsenal are offering Balogun is not 10 year lifelong commitment as you suggest. He is only 19. Balogun could easily leave at 21 if he feels he hasn't got his opportunities.
“ You asked why Arteta didn't play Balogun 18 months ago. It is because he wasn't manager.”
I asked why Balogun who had 18 months left on his contract when Arteta joined, the same duration Eddie has now, was not given a chance.
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Because he had no senior appearances, Arsenal weren't in a good position and Arteta had just started his managerial career. Would have been a massive gamble.
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So we can agree here that Arteta simply backed the wrong horse when he came to the club - the comment I’ve said from the very start.
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He backed the only horse. Nketiah had first team experience, Balogun was a youth player.
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But neither of them played Eddie either so what have they got to do with anything The subject is why is Eddie getting more time than Balogun
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Freddie couldn't, but Eddie had 20 odd appearances before going on loan. So when Arteta came in he had a young striker with around 40 senior appearances and a young striker with 0 senior appearances. It isn't really a choice. Until you can work with the player with 0 appearances you cannot really promote him. Freddie did work with him and still didn't promote him.
“ And if Balogun signs a new contract and he believes he is better than Eddie then he has a good chance of staying at the club when Eddie's contract comes up for renewal.
I honestly think you are on the wrong track here. This is not about Eddie vs Balogun.
I suspect its abt hype and his agent seeing an opportunity to use Saka and ESR's emergence to drum up business elsewhere. Its instant cashola.
In fact it seems to me his agent doesn't have that much faith in him so is trying to maximise his payday now rather than 2 or 3 years down the line.”
What has this saga got to do with Saka and ESR’s rise? Haven’t you already said that he rejected contracts before Arteta was Arsenal manager? So this would be long before Saka and ESR were seen as stars?
Balogun may very well believe he is better than Eddie but that won’t matter one bit of the manager keeps picking Eddie over him. If he leaves it’s kind of obvious why.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
Bats, the contract Arsenal are offering Balogun is not 10 year lifelong commitment as you suggest. He is only 19. Balogun could easily leave at 21 if he feels he hasn't got his opportunities.
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It’s a lot easier for him to leave now when Arsenal can’t price clubs out of taking him (which is seemingly what we did in the Summer). Balogun will look at what players his age who have left the U.K. for Germany are doing and ask himself why he shouldn’t do the same when he can’t get a sniff ahead of Eddie
Sorry DJ but that’s rubbish. We have seen first hand with Pepe and Willian that senior experience means Jack shiiiit if you don’t have the talent and endeavour to go with it. There was always a choice to give Balo a chance and we didn’t give it to him. Recalling a player who failed at a Championship club was just as big a gamble as giving a youth player a chance
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
Bats, the contract Arsenal are offering Balogun is not 10 year lifelong commitment as you suggest. He is only 19. Balogun could easily leave at 21 if he feels he hasn't got his opportunities.
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It’s a lot easier for him to leave now when Arsenal can’t price clubs out of taking him (which is seemingly what we did in the Summer). Balogun will look at what players his age who have left the U.K. for Germany are doing and ask himself why he shouldn’t do the same when he can’t get a sniff ahead of Eddie
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As I said above you can structure contracts anyway you want including playing time or release. Then its up to Arteta. If he really thinks Balogun is not good enough he would would get the opportunity to go.
People won’t change my mind on this and I probably won’t change others’ minds so I’m done talking about it (until our next game when Eddie comes off the bench and does nothing again).
We have made so many terrible decisions and handled so many players poorly over the last year - Gwen, AMN, Emi, Saliba, arguably Ozil and now we can add Balogun to the list. It’s so frustrating that a club with our limited resources are crying out for so many players in so many positions when we had the answers at our doorstep and hounded them out.
The only reason why we are even talking of Balogun is because of the emergence of ESR and Saka. And to a lesser extent Willock and Eddie (his goal scoring record for England U21 is phenomenal).
Its the general reputation of our youngsters that is driving the market for Balogun. Or do you think he has done enough to demand £40k a week or whatever he is demanding?
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted about a minute ago
Sorry DJ but that’s rubbish. We have seen first hand with Pepe and Willian that senior experience means Jack shiiiit if you don’t have the talent and endeavour to go with it. There was always a choice to give Balo a chance and we didn’t give it to him. Recalling a player who failed at a Championship club was just as big a gamble as giving a youth player a chance
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Very few youth players suddenly get promoted to the senior team without the bridge of either a loan or Europa/EFL. Saka got his senior education in the Europa, Smith Rowe in the Europa, EFL and a loan, Ains the same.
For a new manager to come in, pick a player out of the youth team and play him in the league or Europa knockouts is unthinkable.
Even in the FA Cup Laca started, and when Eddie played he scored.
The opportunities to blood Balogun:
Europa/EFL last season - Emery didn't see him as an option.
Loan in second half of last season - the contract not being signed scuppered that.
Pre-season - there wasn't one.
Europa this season - he got games. Almost certainly would have got more if he signed his contract. The games he did get were probably meant as a carrot. Didn't work.
Reckon he will still sign
comment by CrøuchEndGøøner (U13531)
posted 5 minutes ago
Reckon he will still sign
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GT please don't threaten fellow Gooners.
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posted on 23/1/21
Still don't get it. My beef with Arteta was that they shut down the negotiation for 6 months. That never made sense. But it looks as if its too late now. Could Arteta have done more to persuade him earlier? Maybe.
I suspect why he didn't was because Arteta was far too focussed on experienced players and ESR's emergence has woken him up a bit.
But how can anyone say the coaches were incorrect abt Balogun. They maybe in the future. But at the moment I would love to know how Balogun has become world class?
posted on 23/1/21
But how can anyone say the coaches were incorrect abt Balogun. They maybe in the future. But at the moment I would love to know how Balogun has become world class?
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No he's not world class but needs game time to show his talents in place of some of the hasbeens up front now.
posted on 23/1/21
Exactly, you keep asking questions, I answer them. I am not moving goalposts.
You asked why Arteta didn't play Balogun 18 months ago. It is because he wasn't manager.
You asked why Nketiah came into the team. Because Arteta had just joined, he had little time to evaluate the squad, Nketiah had first team experience, and he did enough to suggest he could be back up to Auba and Laca.
Eddie is in the same situation as Balogun was 18 months ago? No, Eddie has a fair amount of first team games under his belt.
You asked why Balogun didn't come into the team. Because he had no first team experience, he had refused a contract offer, Arsenal weren't in a good position, Arteta had just started his first managerial job and couldn't gamble on a 17 year old kid who hadn't had any senior football, especially when he was refusing to commit to the club.
Emery didn't play Balogun in the Europa even though Nketiah wasn't at the club. Freddie didn't debut Balogun even though he worked with him at youth level and knew him better than anyone.
Ains played a half in a dead rubber CL game and had a minute in the league and FA Cup. Then was sent on loan. Not sure the relevence of bringing that up tbh.
posted on 23/1/21
Saka, Eddie and AMN were not demanding to be starters either, Balogun has, even from 13/14 months ago it seems.
Journalists were saying he wants to be part of the project now and doesn't want to wait, which is why he's not interested in signing a new deal and then go on loan to get game time. He wants everything instantly at Arsenal.
I do think the wage issue is a valid one, and that's partly why these negotiations have dragged out, but the agent has their own agenda.
It's not an easy situation to navigate through, especially as this issue has preceded Arteta.
posted on 23/1/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
Still don't get it. My beef with Arteta was that they shut down the negotiation for 6 months. That never made sense. But it looks as if its too late now. Could Arteta have done more to persuade him earlier? Maybe.
I suspect why he didn't was because Arteta was far too focussed on experienced players and ESR's emergence has woken him up a bit.
But how can anyone say the coaches were incorrect abt Balogun. They maybe in the future. But at the moment I would love to know how Balogun has become world class?
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Nobody is saying he is world class. They are saying he hasn’t been given the chances that Eddie has to show if he is any good or not. And it’s not just Eddie under this current regime that has been given chances. Saka took his chances, ESR so far looks to be taking his chance. Eddie has not taken his chance and plays in the same position that Balogun, who has not been given a chance, does. It’s not difficult to figure out why comparisons are being made.
posted on 23/1/21
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 2 minutes ago
But how can anyone say the coaches were incorrect abt Balogun. They maybe in the future. But at the moment I would love to know how Balogun has become world class?
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No he's not world class but needs game time to show his talents in place of some of the hasbeens up front now.
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And if he signs a contract extension he'll get the chance. I mean you can even structure contracts regarding playing time or release if you want. But obviously Balogun is chasing money on reputations of Saka and ESR.
posted on 23/1/21
“ You asked why Arteta didn't play Balogun 18 months ago. It is because he wasn't manager.”
I asked why Balogun who had 18 months left on his contract when Arteta joined, the same duration Eddie has now, was not given a chance.
“You asked why Nketiah came into the team. Because Arteta had just joined, he had little time to evaluate the squad, Nketiah had first team experience, and he did enough to suggest he could be back up to Auba and Laca.
Eddie is in the same situation as Balogun was 18 months ago? No, Eddie has a fair amount of first team games under his belt.”
So we can agree here that Arteta simply backed the wrong horse when he came to the club - the comment I’ve said from the very start.
“ Emery didn't play Balogun in the Europa even though Nketiah wasn't at the club. Freddie didn't debut Balogun even though he worked with him at youth level and knew him better than anyone. ”
But neither of them played Eddie either so what have they got to do with anything The subject is why is Eddie getting more time than Balogun
posted on 23/1/21
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
Still don't get it. My beef with Arteta was that they shut down the negotiation for 6 months. That never made sense. But it looks as if its too late now. Could Arteta have done more to persuade him earlier? Maybe.
I suspect why he didn't was because Arteta was far too focussed on experienced players and ESR's emergence has woken him up a bit.
But how can anyone say the coaches were incorrect abt Balogun. They maybe in the future. But at the moment I would love to know how Balogun has become world class?
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Nobody is saying he is world class. They are saying he hasn’t been given the chances that Eddie has to show if he is any good or not. And it’s not just Eddie under this current regime that has been given chances. Saka took his chances, ESR so far looks to be taking his chance. Eddie has not taken his chance and plays in the same position that Balogun, who has not been given a chance, does. It’s not difficult to figure out why comparisons are being made.
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And if Balogun signs a new contract and he believes he is better than Eddie then he has a good chance of staying at the club when Eddie's contract comes up for renewal.
I honestly think you are on the wrong track here. This is not about Eddie vs Balogun.
I suspect its abt hype and his agent seeing an opportunity to use Saka and ESR's emergence to drum up business elsewhere. Its instant cashola.
In fact it seems to me his agent doesn't have that much faith in him so is trying to maximise his payday now rather than 2 or 3 years down the line.
posted on 23/1/21
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 6 minutes ago
Saka, Eddie and AMN were not demanding to be starters either, Balogun has, even from 13/14 months ago it seems.
Journalists were saying he wants to be part of the project now and doesn't want to wait, which is why he's not interested in signing a new deal and then go on loan to get game time. He wants everything instantly at Arsenal.
I do think the wage issue is a valid one, and that's partly why these negotiations have dragged out, but the agent has their own agenda.
It's not an easy situation to navigate through, especially as this issue has preceded Arteta.
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Honestly I really don’t believe this rubbish. Nobody is telling me that a 19 year old kid who has played 60 minutes of first team football is demanding to start ahead of a French international and the club captain on £100k/week wages, which is what these journos you are following are supposedly saying.
It just sounds to me like the club are making Balogun come across as unreasonable as possible to soften the blow of him leaving. Next we will hear how he also demanded #10 on the back of his shirt
posted on 23/1/21
Bats, the contract Arsenal are offering Balogun is not 10 year lifelong commitment as you suggest. He is only 19. Balogun could easily leave at 21 if he feels he hasn't got his opportunities.
posted on 23/1/21
“ You asked why Arteta didn't play Balogun 18 months ago. It is because he wasn't manager.”
I asked why Balogun who had 18 months left on his contract when Arteta joined, the same duration Eddie has now, was not given a chance.
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Because he had no senior appearances, Arsenal weren't in a good position and Arteta had just started his managerial career. Would have been a massive gamble.
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So we can agree here that Arteta simply backed the wrong horse when he came to the club - the comment I’ve said from the very start.
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He backed the only horse. Nketiah had first team experience, Balogun was a youth player.
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But neither of them played Eddie either so what have they got to do with anything The subject is why is Eddie getting more time than Balogun
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Freddie couldn't, but Eddie had 20 odd appearances before going on loan. So when Arteta came in he had a young striker with around 40 senior appearances and a young striker with 0 senior appearances. It isn't really a choice. Until you can work with the player with 0 appearances you cannot really promote him. Freddie did work with him and still didn't promote him.
posted on 23/1/21
“ And if Balogun signs a new contract and he believes he is better than Eddie then he has a good chance of staying at the club when Eddie's contract comes up for renewal.
I honestly think you are on the wrong track here. This is not about Eddie vs Balogun.
I suspect its abt hype and his agent seeing an opportunity to use Saka and ESR's emergence to drum up business elsewhere. Its instant cashola.
In fact it seems to me his agent doesn't have that much faith in him so is trying to maximise his payday now rather than 2 or 3 years down the line.”
What has this saga got to do with Saka and ESR’s rise? Haven’t you already said that he rejected contracts before Arteta was Arsenal manager? So this would be long before Saka and ESR were seen as stars?
Balogun may very well believe he is better than Eddie but that won’t matter one bit of the manager keeps picking Eddie over him. If he leaves it’s kind of obvious why.
posted on 23/1/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
Bats, the contract Arsenal are offering Balogun is not 10 year lifelong commitment as you suggest. He is only 19. Balogun could easily leave at 21 if he feels he hasn't got his opportunities.
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It’s a lot easier for him to leave now when Arsenal can’t price clubs out of taking him (which is seemingly what we did in the Summer). Balogun will look at what players his age who have left the U.K. for Germany are doing and ask himself why he shouldn’t do the same when he can’t get a sniff ahead of Eddie
posted on 23/1/21
Sorry DJ but that’s rubbish. We have seen first hand with Pepe and Willian that senior experience means Jack shiiiit if you don’t have the talent and endeavour to go with it. There was always a choice to give Balo a chance and we didn’t give it to him. Recalling a player who failed at a Championship club was just as big a gamble as giving a youth player a chance
posted on 23/1/21
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
Bats, the contract Arsenal are offering Balogun is not 10 year lifelong commitment as you suggest. He is only 19. Balogun could easily leave at 21 if he feels he hasn't got his opportunities.
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It’s a lot easier for him to leave now when Arsenal can’t price clubs out of taking him (which is seemingly what we did in the Summer). Balogun will look at what players his age who have left the U.K. for Germany are doing and ask himself why he shouldn’t do the same when he can’t get a sniff ahead of Eddie
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As I said above you can structure contracts anyway you want including playing time or release. Then its up to Arteta. If he really thinks Balogun is not good enough he would would get the opportunity to go.
posted on 23/1/21
People won’t change my mind on this and I probably won’t change others’ minds so I’m done talking about it (until our next game when Eddie comes off the bench and does nothing again).
We have made so many terrible decisions and handled so many players poorly over the last year - Gwen, AMN, Emi, Saliba, arguably Ozil and now we can add Balogun to the list. It’s so frustrating that a club with our limited resources are crying out for so many players in so many positions when we had the answers at our doorstep and hounded them out.
posted on 23/1/21
The only reason why we are even talking of Balogun is because of the emergence of ESR and Saka. And to a lesser extent Willock and Eddie (his goal scoring record for England U21 is phenomenal).
Its the general reputation of our youngsters that is driving the market for Balogun. Or do you think he has done enough to demand £40k a week or whatever he is demanding?
posted on 23/1/21
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted about a minute ago
Sorry DJ but that’s rubbish. We have seen first hand with Pepe and Willian that senior experience means Jack shiiiit if you don’t have the talent and endeavour to go with it. There was always a choice to give Balo a chance and we didn’t give it to him. Recalling a player who failed at a Championship club was just as big a gamble as giving a youth player a chance
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Very few youth players suddenly get promoted to the senior team without the bridge of either a loan or Europa/EFL. Saka got his senior education in the Europa, Smith Rowe in the Europa, EFL and a loan, Ains the same.
For a new manager to come in, pick a player out of the youth team and play him in the league or Europa knockouts is unthinkable.
Even in the FA Cup Laca started, and when Eddie played he scored.
The opportunities to blood Balogun:
Europa/EFL last season - Emery didn't see him as an option.
Loan in second half of last season - the contract not being signed scuppered that.
Pre-season - there wasn't one.
Europa this season - he got games. Almost certainly would have got more if he signed his contract. The games he did get were probably meant as a carrot. Didn't work.
posted on 23/1/21
Reckon he will still sign
posted on 23/1/21
comment by CrøuchEndGøøner (U13531)
posted 5 minutes ago
Reckon he will still sign
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If not I shot you.
posted on 23/1/21
GT please don't threaten fellow Gooners.
posted on 23/1/21
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posted on 26/1/21
WE GO AGAIN
posted on 26/1/21
IT'S TIME TO GO!!!
posted on 26/1/21
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