comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 7 minutes ago
Diving is against the rules, but a lot of the top coaches will tell players that if they anticipate contact or they can see it coming, then go down. If there is contact and the defender doesn't get the ball and takes you out, it doesn't matter whether you have looked to draw a foul or not, it's still a foul.
I know what you're saying yes a dive is cheating, but drawing a foul isn't.
I don't know if you have seen the Spurs documentary but watch that example when they play Man City and they are appealing for a penalty seconds after missing one.
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But exaggerating contact is against the rules, surely?
GT, there's a chance that a reasonable discussion might break out so I'm just going to leave you to your own obsessed ramblings for now.
I'm sure there's be an opportunity for your off topic, personal attacks again soon.
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At least you have plenty of people who don't like me and will happily back you up GT.
You certainly need it.
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I like you Winston
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Who don't you like?
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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Barry...you are very much the coat holder on fight day...aren't you
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If people are fighting because of petty stupid reasons then yes. If someone were to do something severely against my morals then they would be put into a paper shredder, before being put in a blender to create a smoothie and fed to their family.
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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That has left me in a deep existential crisis.
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comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 1 hour ago
I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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That has left me in a deep existential crisis.
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Issue with you redoing that article though Barry is people found you funny back then
Not really I wouldn't say exaggerating the contact is against the rules, it depends on the context though really.
I get frustrated when a defender is a chasing a ball down towards the corner flag and they then go down under a "push" from an opposition player closing him down. Even though it's only minimal contact, it's still a foul but like you say, that's exaggerating contact because a lot of the time the defender will go down under minimal contact.
Some of the rules don't say anything about how much contact needs to be given. For example, a direct free kick can be given if a player "impedes the progress of an opponent with contact". It doesn't say how much contact.
I know what you're trying to say about players exaggerating situations, but if it's a foul then it's a foul.
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At least you have plenty of people who don't like me and will happily back you up GT.
You certainly need it.
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I like you Winston
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Who don't you like?
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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Barry...you are very much the coat holder on fight day...aren't you
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If people are fighting because of petty stupid reasons then yes. If someone were to do something severely against my morals then they would be put into a paper shredder, before being put in a blender to create a smoothie and fed to their family.
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much better from you lad...much better
JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
I don't understand how you can say that.
When the incident happens, no one has decided whether a foul has taken place.
So for a player to go to ground, he's attempting to deceive the referee into thinking the contact was more impactful than it was.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 seconds ago
At least you have plenty of people who don't like me and will happily back you up GT.
You certainly need it.
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I like you Winston
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Who don't you like?
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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Barry...you are very much the coat holder on fight day...aren't you
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If people are fighting because of petty stupid reasons then yes. If someone were to do something severely against my morals then they would be put into a paper shredder, before being put in a blender to create a smoothie and fed to their family.
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much better from you lad...much better
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also...from your liking people thread
WengersNearlyMen (The sheriff) - I like that you are the sheriff and when you put me to the sword I enjoy the sensation in a private area.
There's only one Sheriff on here...I am the law, & it's certainly not that pretender on the Arsenal board
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Sheriff is rattled
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Never rattled....mildly amused yes...
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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That has left me in a deep existential crisis.
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Issue with you redoing that article though Barry is people found you funny back then
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Yeah it's weird how things change. The only solution is to change back. So everyone can you please change back to having the sense of humour you did back in 2011? That seems to be the only solution here.
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posted 8 seconds ago
At least you have plenty of people who don't like me and will happily back you up GT.
You certainly need it.
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I like you Winston
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Who don't you like?
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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Barry...you are very much the coat holder on fight day...aren't you
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If people are fighting because of petty stupid reasons then yes. If someone were to do something severely against my morals then they would be put into a paper shredder, before being put in a blender to create a smoothie and fed to their family.
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much better from you lad...much better
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also...from your liking people thread
WengersNearlyMen (The sheriff) - I like that you are the sheriff and when you put me to the sword I enjoy the sensation in a private area.
There's only one Sheriff on here...I am the law, & it's certainly not that pretender on the Arsenal board
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If there is only one sheriff in town surely his name is Reggie Hammond?
Wengersnearlymen is the only sheriff.
WNM face me!
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Wengersnearlymen is the only sheriff.
WNM face me!
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Not even a deputy....same as that John Brown character
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posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
I don't understand how you can say that.
When the incident happens, no one has decided whether a foul has taken place.
So for a player to go to ground, he's attempting to deceive the referee into thinking the contact was more impactful than it was.
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Like I said though, the rules don't state how much contact is required for it to be a foul, so it comes down to the context of the situation which I don't really want to go into.
I understand there are players that deceive, but at this same time a foul is a foul, it just depends on the context of the situation I suppose.
"so it comes down to the context of the situation which I don't really want to go into"
what was the point of saying it then...?
Winston played the context card earlier...when I showed him what he said he didn't say, & he had nothing else to offer
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
"so it comes down to the context of the situation which I don't really want to go into"
what was the point of saying it then...?
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For clarification so we don't end up going through every possible scenario and then disagreeing on what is/isn't a foul in our opinions really.
as a reminder of the OP it's about being told to dive, or encouraged to do so...(Pogba Shaw)
In the 'context' of the game, i'd like to see it punished with a , both from someone encouraging it (Pogba) to anyone caught out trying to decieve the ref - through just plain cheating
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
I don't understand how you can say that.
When the incident happens, no one has decided whether a foul has taken place.
So for a player to go to ground, he's attempting to deceive the referee into thinking the contact was more impactful than it was.
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Like I said though, the rules don't state how much contact is required for it to be a foul, so it comes down to the context of the situation which I don't really want to go into.
I understand there are players that deceive, but at this same time a foul is a foul, it just depends on the context of the situation I suppose.
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But that doesn't actually mean anything.
My point is that if a player exaggerates the contact by falling to the floor then they are deceiving the referee.
That is against the rules.
Fairly clear, no?
Tbf, I didn't even mention anything in my original comment about exaggerating the contact anyway so idk why it's suddenly got here.
I originally said if the player can see somebody could potentially foul them then they will go down or win a free kick. It's not deceiving the referee if they can see they are going to get taken out and then they win the free kick because they turn away and get clattered.
Sorry if you thought I was talking about players who attempt to deceive the referee, that's not what I meant.
So yes, exaggerating contact/deceiving the referee is against the rules, but I wasn't talking about that in the first place.
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At least you have plenty of people who don't like me and will happily back you up GT.
You certainly need it.
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I like you Winston
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Who don't you like?
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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I'm not even on that list and I am one of the longest running members of this site, feck off.
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posted on 15/1/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 7 minutes ago
Diving is against the rules, but a lot of the top coaches will tell players that if they anticipate contact or they can see it coming, then go down. If there is contact and the defender doesn't get the ball and takes you out, it doesn't matter whether you have looked to draw a foul or not, it's still a foul.
I know what you're saying yes a dive is cheating, but drawing a foul isn't.
I don't know if you have seen the Spurs documentary but watch that example when they play Man City and they are appealing for a penalty seconds after missing one.
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But exaggerating contact is against the rules, surely?
posted on 15/1/21
GT, there's a chance that a reasonable discussion might break out so I'm just going to leave you to your own obsessed ramblings for now.
I'm sure there's be an opportunity for your off topic, personal attacks again soon.
posted on 15/1/21
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posted 7 minutes ago
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posted 22 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 seconds ago
At least you have plenty of people who don't like me and will happily back you up GT.
You certainly need it.
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I like you Winston
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Who don't you like?
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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Barry...you are very much the coat holder on fight day...aren't you
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If people are fighting because of petty stupid reasons then yes. If someone were to do something severely against my morals then they would be put into a paper shredder, before being put in a blender to create a smoothie and fed to their family.
posted on 15/1/21
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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That has left me in a deep existential crisis.
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comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 1 hour ago
I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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That has left me in a deep existential crisis.
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Issue with you redoing that article though Barry is people found you funny back then
posted on 15/1/21
Not really I wouldn't say exaggerating the contact is against the rules, it depends on the context though really.
I get frustrated when a defender is a chasing a ball down towards the corner flag and they then go down under a "push" from an opposition player closing him down. Even though it's only minimal contact, it's still a foul but like you say, that's exaggerating contact because a lot of the time the defender will go down under minimal contact.
Some of the rules don't say anything about how much contact needs to be given. For example, a direct free kick can be given if a player "impedes the progress of an opponent with contact". It doesn't say how much contact.
I know what you're trying to say about players exaggerating situations, but if it's a foul then it's a foul.
posted on 15/1/21
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 57 minutes ago
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posted 22 minutes ago
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posted 11 minutes ago
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 seconds ago
At least you have plenty of people who don't like me and will happily back you up GT.
You certainly need it.
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I like you Winston
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Who don't you like?
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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Barry...you are very much the coat holder on fight day...aren't you
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If people are fighting because of petty stupid reasons then yes. If someone were to do something severely against my morals then they would be put into a paper shredder, before being put in a blender to create a smoothie and fed to their family.
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much better from you lad...much better
posted on 15/1/21
JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
I don't understand how you can say that.
When the incident happens, no one has decided whether a foul has taken place.
So for a player to go to ground, he's attempting to deceive the referee into thinking the contact was more impactful than it was.
posted on 15/1/21
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 7 minutes ago
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posted 22 minutes ago
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posted 11 minutes ago
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posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 seconds ago
At least you have plenty of people who don't like me and will happily back you up GT.
You certainly need it.
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I like you Winston
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Who don't you like?
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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Barry...you are very much the coat holder on fight day...aren't you
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If people are fighting because of petty stupid reasons then yes. If someone were to do something severely against my morals then they would be put into a paper shredder, before being put in a blender to create a smoothie and fed to their family.
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much better from you lad...much better
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also...from your liking people thread
WengersNearlyMen (The sheriff) - I like that you are the sheriff and when you put me to the sword I enjoy the sensation in a private area.
There's only one Sheriff on here...I am the law, & it's certainly not that pretender on the Arsenal board
posted on 15/1/21
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
Sheriff is rattled
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Never rattled....mildly amused yes...
posted on 15/1/21
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 1 hour ago
I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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That has left me in a deep existential crisis.
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Issue with you redoing that article though Barry is people found you funny back then
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Yeah it's weird how things change. The only solution is to change back. So everyone can you please change back to having the sense of humour you did back in 2011? That seems to be the only solution here.
posted on 15/1/21
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 7 minutes ago
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posted 22 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 seconds ago
At least you have plenty of people who don't like me and will happily back you up GT.
You certainly need it.
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I like you Winston
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Who don't you like?
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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Barry...you are very much the coat holder on fight day...aren't you
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If people are fighting because of petty stupid reasons then yes. If someone were to do something severely against my morals then they would be put into a paper shredder, before being put in a blender to create a smoothie and fed to their family.
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much better from you lad...much better
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also...from your liking people thread
WengersNearlyMen (The sheriff) - I like that you are the sheriff and when you put me to the sword I enjoy the sensation in a private area.
There's only one Sheriff on here...I am the law, & it's certainly not that pretender on the Arsenal board
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If there is only one sheriff in town surely his name is Reggie Hammond?
posted on 15/1/21
Wengersnearlymen is the only sheriff.
WNM face me!
posted on 15/1/21
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 31 seconds ago
Wengersnearlymen is the only sheriff.
WNM face me!
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Not even a deputy....same as that John Brown character
posted on 15/1/21
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
I don't understand how you can say that.
When the incident happens, no one has decided whether a foul has taken place.
So for a player to go to ground, he's attempting to deceive the referee into thinking the contact was more impactful than it was.
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Like I said though, the rules don't state how much contact is required for it to be a foul, so it comes down to the context of the situation which I don't really want to go into.
I understand there are players that deceive, but at this same time a foul is a foul, it just depends on the context of the situation I suppose.
posted on 15/1/21
"so it comes down to the context of the situation which I don't really want to go into"
what was the point of saying it then...?
posted on 15/1/21
Winston played the context card earlier...when I showed him what he said he didn't say, & he had nothing else to offer
posted on 15/1/21
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
"so it comes down to the context of the situation which I don't really want to go into"
what was the point of saying it then...?
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For clarification so we don't end up going through every possible scenario and then disagreeing on what is/isn't a foul in our opinions really.
posted on 15/1/21
as a reminder of the OP it's about being told to dive, or encouraged to do so...(Pogba Shaw)
In the 'context' of the game, i'd like to see it punished with a , both from someone encouraging it (Pogba) to anyone caught out trying to decieve the ref - through just plain cheating
posted on 15/1/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
I don't understand how you can say that.
When the incident happens, no one has decided whether a foul has taken place.
So for a player to go to ground, he's attempting to deceive the referee into thinking the contact was more impactful than it was.
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Like I said though, the rules don't state how much contact is required for it to be a foul, so it comes down to the context of the situation which I don't really want to go into.
I understand there are players that deceive, but at this same time a foul is a foul, it just depends on the context of the situation I suppose.
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But that doesn't actually mean anything.
My point is that if a player exaggerates the contact by falling to the floor then they are deceiving the referee.
That is against the rules.
Fairly clear, no?
posted on 15/1/21
very clear...
posted on 15/1/21
Tbf, I didn't even mention anything in my original comment about exaggerating the contact anyway so idk why it's suddenly got here.
I originally said if the player can see somebody could potentially foul them then they will go down or win a free kick. It's not deceiving the referee if they can see they are going to get taken out and then they win the free kick because they turn away and get clattered.
Sorry if you thought I was talking about players who attempt to deceive the referee, that's not what I meant.
posted on 15/1/21
So yes, exaggerating contact/deceiving the referee is against the rules, but I wasn't talking about that in the first place.
posted on 15/1/21
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 seconds ago
At least you have plenty of people who don't like me and will happily back you up GT.
You certainly need it.
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I like you Winston
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Who don't you like?
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I like everyone. Need to do an update of this article for modern times.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/62721
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I'm not even on that list and I am one of the longest running members of this site, feck off.
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