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posted on 23/1/21

Cedric at the left(why not AMN?)
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AMN was worse in his last left back appearance than Cedric was today. Far worse.


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2 goalkeepers at the bench,
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We take 3 'keepers in case of pre-match issue. Auba went home. Whats the big issue here?


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Balogun nowhere
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Played last night, won't sign contract.

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Nelson nowhere near.
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Going out on loan. And possibly unfit.


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Why didn't Thomas start today?
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Not long back from injury, lots of games coming up.

posted on 23/1/21

Not once this season have we really looked convincing under Arteta.

Beating some very poor team of late has really papered over the cracks

posted on 23/1/21

In the last 3 weeks we have beaten Chelsea comfortably, kept 5 clean sheets, stuffed Newcastle and West Brom.
But because our second string lost 1-0 to a flukey own goal we haven't looked convincing?

posted on 23/1/21

The problem today was Xhaka/Elneny. I know it sounds like a broken record and ppl auto assume that I hate him.

But look at this way. Southampton like to press high. If you make 600 passes to get out of your own half, you will at some point it give it away, or make a mistake that will cost you a goal. Its as simple as that. It didn't change till the second half and then its too late.

If you go behind a team that defends really well its an up hill task.

posted on 23/1/21

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
Cedric at the left(why not AMN?)
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AMN was worse in his last left back appearance than Cedric was today. Far worse.


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2 goalkeepers at the bench,
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We take 3 'keepers in case of pre-match issue. Auba went home. Whats the big issue here?


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Balogun nowhere
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Played last night, won't sign contract.

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Nelson nowhere near.
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Going out on loan. And possibly unfit.


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Why didn't Thomas start today?
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Not long back from injury, lots of games coming up.
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Why didn't he sell AMN then?
What's the chance you're gonna need 3 keepers? LOL
Why would he sign? Balogun is 10 times player Nketiah is, Arteta picks Nketiah always.
Okay Nelson one I understand
He should atleast play 60 min, you can't afford to have Xhaka/Elneny midfield, he could pick then AMN there.

posted on 23/1/21

Why didn't he sell AMN then?
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Probably wishes he had.

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What's the chance you're gonna need 3 keepers? LOL
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There have been quite a few times in the history of football that players have been injured or taken ill or other such things pre-match. Happened to be Auba this time. Could have named just 8 subs, or we could have named the 21st man. Seems a very spiteful gripe to have.


Why would he sign? Balogun is 10 times player Nketiah is, Arteta picks Nketiah always.
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If he had signed he would have got chances. A kid trying to hold a club hostage for over a year rarely is rewarded with game time.

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Okay Nelson one I understand
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He should atleast play 60 min, you can't afford to have Xhaka/Elneny midfield, he could pick then AMN there.
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And if he pulled up lame 59 minutes into the game you would be cool with it? Arteta has already made a massive error by playing him against Spurs, for an FA Cup game it would be ridiculous to take a gamble again.

posted on 23/1/21

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 12 minutes ago
Why didn't he sell AMN then?
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Probably wishes he had.

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What's the chance you're gonna need 3 keepers? LOL
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There have been quite a few times in the history of football that players have been injured or taken ill or other such things pre-match. Happened to be Auba this time. Could have named just 8 subs, or we could have named the 21st man. Seems a very spiteful gripe to have.


Why would he sign? Balogun is 10 times player Nketiah is, Arteta picks Nketiah always.
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If he had signed he would have got chances. A kid trying to hold a club hostage for over a year rarely is rewarded with game time.

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Okay Nelson one I understand
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He should atleast play 60 min, you can't afford to have Xhaka/Elneny midfield, he could pick then AMN there.
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And if he pulled up lame 59 minutes into the game you would be cool with it? Arteta has already made a massive error by playing him against Spurs, for an FA Cup game it would be ridiculous to take a gamble again.
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Maybe we should play our strongest team in FA Cup. We won't be relegated and we won't make top 4, so why not rest on tuesday?

posted on 23/1/21

Top 4 isn't out of the question. 7 points off, difficult but not impossible. But it is still important to finish as high as possible. We also have the Europa. Another FA Cup win, while being nice, is hardly a high priority.

posted on 23/1/21

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Top 4 isn't out of the question. 7 points off, difficult but not impossible. But it is still important to finish as high as possible. We also have the Europa. Another FA Cup win, while being nice, is hardly a high priority.
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It isn't, but it is very close to impossible. At the very least he should've taken this game more seriously.

posted on 23/1/21

Top 4 is still a target. We have the second best form in the league only behind Man City. But we need to keep it going which is why the stalemate against Palace was so awful.

I honestly believe Europa will be easier to win than FA Cup. Europa games are slower and players like Xhaka, Lacazette look far better because of it.

posted on 23/1/21

We lost 1-0 to a freakish own goal. We don't know how Auba going home affected the line-up, he may well have been pencilled in to start.
We can't play the same XI every game, and today was the right time to rotate. Many times in the past we have rotated in the FA Cup and come through to win it.

posted on 23/1/21

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 19 minutes ago
The problem today was Xhaka/Elneny. I know it sounds like a broken record and ppl auto assume that I hate him.

But look at this way. Southampton like to press high. If you make 600 passes to get out of your own half, you will at some point it give it away, or make a mistake that will cost you a goal. Its as simple as that. It didn't change till the second half and then its too late.

If you go behind a team that defends really well its an up hill task.
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Funnily enough I don't see that as auto hate. Mainly because you said Xhaka/Elneny so appear at least, more focused on the pairing plus opposition, than "was all Xhaka's fault." This is why I rant about Arteta. Today could well have gone differently if he picks him over either, or even just makes a counter substitution once they made a change and we started getting smoked for pace in MF.

The MF needed both AMNs pace and ability to run the ball today. The manager knew it but still kept him on the bench, for petty personal BS reasons, whilst we lost the game. He threw away a potential trophy just to spite a player.

posted on 23/1/21

In my opinion Arteta should have rotated even more. He should have started AMN in midfield and 'rested' Xhaka. Would have given us an outlet.

posted on 23/1/21

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
We lost 1-0 to a freakish own goal. We don't know how Auba going home affected the line-up, he may well have been pencilled in to start.
We can't play the same XI every game, and today was the right time to rotate. Many times in the past we have rotated in the FA Cup and come through to win it.
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I love the way you just completely skate over the fact that AMN should have played instead of Xhaka or Elneny and pretend like that wasn't a massive feck up by the manager.

posted on 23/1/21

I really don't get this love in with AMN. He lacks awareness and is sloppy in possession. Traits that are more likely to be exposed against a high energy, high pressing Southampton side.

Agreed with Arteta's decision to mass rotate, but he surely must see Willian needs to be kept far away from this side, but on the flip side he had no real other option. Willock would have been way worse.

Shame Odegaard wasn't signed last week - would have been the prime opportunity to play him.

posted on 23/1/21

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 9 minutes ago
In my opinion Arteta should have rotated even more. He should have started AMN in midfield and 'rested' Xhaka. Would have given us an outlet.
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Correct opinion

posted on 23/1/21

comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
We lost 1-0 to a freakish own goal. We don't know how Auba going home affected the line-up, he may well have been pencilled in to start.
We can't play the same XI every game, and today was the right time to rotate. Many times in the past we have rotated in the FA Cup and come through to win it.
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I love the way you just completely skate over the fact that AMN should have played instead of Xhaka or Elneny and pretend like that wasn't a massive feck up by the manager.


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So AMN is your new obsession. Every thread, every comment has to be about AMN now does it?

Remember when your agenda was to get Saka and Martinelli dropped for the WBA to avoid injury. Martinelli was left out, and then managed to get injured before he played again

posted on 23/1/21

I really don't get this love in with AMN. He lacks awareness and is sloppy in possession. Traits that are more likely to be exposed against a high energy, high pressing Southampton side.

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The only things he lacks to play in the position are all things learnt by playing/staying in the position but this is more about the alternatives to him. Maybe he gets exposed maybe he doesn't, point is when the other choices are Xhaka or Elneny, that's a risk worth more than worth taking.

posted on 23/1/21

comment by Big Willi (an) (U10171)
posted 6 minutes ago
I really don't get this love in with AMN. He lacks awareness and is sloppy in possession. Traits that are more likely to be exposed against a high energy, high pressing Southampton side.
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Not when he played at right back/left back last season that got him an England call up. In fact Southgate kept him in the squad despite his lack of playing time at Arsenal. And he has shown that he can play CM very well as well. You don't have to back to Wenger days. He was instrumental in our win against Rapid Vienna a couple of months ago.

So why not try him for a run of games ? It will settle the matter one way or the other.

posted on 23/1/21

We lost 1-0 to a freakish own goal.
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From our own throw-in. Shambles between Bellerin and Elneny putting us immediately under pressure.

posted on 23/1/21

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
We lost 1-0 to a freakish own goal. We don't know how Auba going home affected the line-up, he may well have been pencilled in to start.
We can't play the same XI every game, and today was the right time to rotate. Many times in the past we have rotated in the FA Cup and come through to win it.
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I love the way you just completely skate over the fact that AMN should have played instead of Xhaka or Elneny and pretend like that wasn't a massive feck up by the manager.


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So AMN is your new obsession. Every thread, every comment has to be about AMN now does it?

Remember when your agenda was to get Saka and Martinelli dropped for the WBA to avoid injury. Martinelli was left out, and then managed to get injured before he played again
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Hardly my fault that he still got injured us it nor does it change the fact that not playing him was the right decision, it proves it. Fecked himself in the warm up for christs sake, so he obviously wasn't fully fit yet DJ

And no, my new issue is the manager who puts his personal BS ahead of the team. I have no idea why you ignore or talk down Arteta's open favouritism and bias, maybe it's because you've decided the club's all about ESR/Saka/Mart now I dunno. But you might want to be more concerned about the possibility that he could just as easily turn on one of your precious trio the same way he has AInsley. Do remember that it was the manager who was in the wrong from the outset, with regard to this player. Meaning one of your little angels can do nothing wrong and still get fecked over by the vindictive manager. Let's see if you're still so dismissive if the same starts happening to one of them.

posted on 23/1/21

Hardly my fault that he still got injured
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Not saying it is your fault, just pointing out that you can wrap a player up in cotton wool, watch his career pass him by, and then when you want to use him he can get injured just like that.
Was fully fit, he slipped and did himself a mischief. Can happen to the fittest, freshest of players.

posted on 23/1/21

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Big Willi (an) (U10171)
posted 6 minutes ago
I really don't get this love in with AMN. He lacks awareness and is sloppy in possession. Traits that are more likely to be exposed against a high energy, high pressing Southampton side.
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Not when he played at right back/left back last season that got him an England call up. In fact Southgate kept him in the squad despite his lack of playing time at Arsenal. And he has shown that he can play CM very well as well. You don't have to back to Wenger days. He was instrumental in our win against Rapid Vienna a couple of months ago.

So why not try him for a run of games ? It will settle the matter one way or the other.
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Exactly, especially when the only MF better than him we have is Partey anyway. It'd be different if we had a strong MF but we don't.

Personally I don't know why people think the outcome will be anything other than producing an PL average CM at worst. Personally, I've thought "CM star in the making," since he hit the first 11 as a teen. The sum skillset actually makes it difficult to be rubbish at CM, so long as he has half a brain to learn with. And given how many other positions he can already play, I'll guess that he's even got more than half

posted on 23/1/21

People complained when he played Tierney against Newcastle in the cup due to getting a minor injury now they complaining when Arteta rests players because we lose to a fluke own goal and where denied a pen guarantee if Arteta had played Tierney , Saka , ESR from the start and at least one of them got injured but we won they’d be moaning about that, he just can’t win with some ‘fans’

posted on 23/1/21

‘Meaning one of your little angels can do nothing wrong and still get fecked over by the vindictive manager.’

You mean the same ‘vindictive’ manager that succeeded where those before him failed in finally getting Ozil out the door?

Or is it only vindictive when it involves one of your ‘little angels’?

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