comment by #nerfthedmr (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 24 minutes ago
The main thing Jonhson facked is the timing of timing of the lockdowns imo.
On the first one, we had a couple of week head start to get our shiiit together given what was happening in Italy. Instead we just waited and waited. The fact private businesses, sporting organisations acted far quicker than the government saved an even worse outcome.
Then I'm not quite sure what they were playing at this winter. The November lockdown was pointless. It was just tier 3. Their plan seemed to centre around an xmas pissss up. By the time we locked down properly in January the damage was done and it's no surprise we are now suffering far worse deaths than elsewhere.
The Cummings debacle and the world beating test and trace were also unforgivably poor.
The glimmer of hope is that the NHS are in charge of the vaccine roll outbut the government have pretty much facked up every important decision.
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The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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When you say things like 'kills less than 99% of us', it's not a shock people don't take you seriously.
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I've stated a fact. Nothing more and nothing less.
Whether people take me seriously is irrelevant.
Facts don't lie
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
Lamela
Wasn't starting an argument mate.
I also think the government's should never have basically told those under 30 that this virus doesn't concern them
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Not at all mate. Just coming from another perspective.
There are clearly those who are ignorant ie a 300 person rave etc.
But I think now people are entitled to use their own judgement. For example I've pretty much followed the rules to the letter but at xmas saw the in laws and my folks. Given myself and the missus hadn't left the house for 2 weeks prior I went with a clear conscience.
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I am a big adovate of this approach. Allowing people to use their own judgement, taking responsibility for ones own actions, not having to be dictated to by Govt but trusted. Unfortunately, there are millions out there who cannot be trusted to do the right thing, and so the rules have to be set for the lowest common denominator.
I was highly critical of the Govt and their lack or preparedness for this sort of thing, but what is telling to me is that we have continued to have huge numbers catching it and dying, even now despite everyone being very much aware of the risks. This 2nd/3rd wave is largely on us. There is not a great deal more the Govt could have done to limit the damage other than curfew and shoot to kill policy.
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 20 seconds ago
Because we all know the best way to control people is to inject them with a vaccine???
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Something something Bill Gate, something something 5G.....
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by #nerfthedmr (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 24 minutes ago
The main thing Jonhson facked is the timing of timing of the lockdowns imo.
On the first one, we had a couple of week head start to get our shiiit together given what was happening in Italy. Instead we just waited and waited. The fact private businesses, sporting organisations acted far quicker than the government saved an even worse outcome.
Then I'm not quite sure what they were playing at this winter. The November lockdown was pointless. It was just tier 3. Their plan seemed to centre around an xmas pissss up. By the time we locked down properly in January the damage was done and it's no surprise we are now suffering far worse deaths than elsewhere.
The Cummings debacle and the world beating test and trace were also unforgivably poor.
The glimmer of hope is that the NHS are in charge of the vaccine roll outbut the government have pretty much facked up every important decision.
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The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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When you say things like 'kills less than 99% of us', it's not a shock people don't take you seriously.
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I've stated a fact.
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No you haven’t.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 20 seconds ago
Because we all know the best way to control people is to inject them with a vaccine???
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Something something Bill Gate, something something 5G.....
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The big reset!!!
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 24 minutes ago
The main thing Jonhson facked is the timing of timing of the lockdowns imo.
On the first one, we had a couple of week head start to get our shiiit together given what was happening in Italy. Instead we just waited and waited. The fact private businesses, sporting organisations acted far quicker than the government saved an even worse outcome.
Then I'm not quite sure what they were playing at this winter. The November lockdown was pointless. It was just tier 3. Their plan seemed to centre around an xmas pissss up. By the time we locked down properly in January the damage was done and it's no surprise we are now suffering far worse deaths than elsewhere.
The Cummings debacle and the world beating test and trace were also unforgivably poor.
The glimmer of hope is that the NHS are in charge of the vaccine roll outbut the government have pretty much facked up every important decision.
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The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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What does that even mean?! Give your head a wobble mate
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My head's fine bud.
It's the rest of you that i worry about
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 20 seconds ago
Because we all know the best way to control people is to inject them with a vaccine???
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Something something Bill Gate, something something 5G.....
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I was chipped years back.
Mobile phones and cctv for starters.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 21 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
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The less than 99% of us thing is ridiculous. If it killed 98% of us that would qualify! I think he meant that it kills less than 1% of us. Not feeling like I want to listen to anything he says given how wrong he got that statement!
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
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A measured response at last
Obviously every death is not good but equally death is part of life. All of our lives.
My concern is for those that will still be here and the struggles they now face, both financial and socially.
To 'shut the world' for a germ that has hardly decimated the global population is beyond ridiculous. Would you, or any of the 'brains' here done the same when looking at the percentages? I honestly doubt it. Nobody would.
As i've said for the past 18 months or so, the current financial died on Sept 17th 2019, something else that 'they' never told you...............and then a germ 'suddenly' appeared?
The death toll is large, but hardly the Black Death levels that we have been led to belive. As our friend Klauss at the WEF tells us in his new book, this pandemic rates as one of the lowest in the past 2000yrs.............yet he and his chums want a global 'reset'? Why?
The current financial system died on Sept 17th 2019.............and then along came a germ.
Go figure.
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
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A measured response at last
Obviously every death is not good but equally death is part of life. All of our lives.
My concern is for those that will still be here and the struggles they now face, both financial and socially.
To 'shut the world' for a germ that has hardly decimated the global population is beyond ridiculous. Would you, or any of the 'brains' here done the same when looking at the percentages? I honestly doubt it. Nobody would.
As i've said for the past 18 months or so, the current financial died on Sept 17th 2019, something else that 'they' never told you...............and then a germ 'suddenly' appeared?
The death toll is large, but hardly the Black Death levels that we have been led to belive. As our friend Klauss at the WEF tells us in his new book, this pandemic rates as one of the lowest in the past 2000yrs.............yet he and his chums want a global 'reset'? Why?
The current financial system died on Sept 17th 2019.............and then along came a germ.
Go figure.
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Well thanks. I'm not sure where to start with your post, seeing as you haven't acknowledged my point really. Are we to go back to normal and not vaccinate? What's your problem with the vaccination exactly?
'Decimated' no. But the death tolls we're looking at are in the context of a world in lockdown. Social distancing, masks, sanitizing etc etc. Hospitals basically dedicated to dealing with covid patients. It seems the deniers always miss this point.
In lockdown conditions there's a 1.4% death per case rate. Scaled up to the everyone getting it, that would be 98 million people. But once you've scaled it, hospitals would completely fail so you could easily double that.
Aside all that. The 'logical arguments for it being a conspiracy due to the Great Reset ignore the fact that the UK government's original lockdown was priced out. They certainly don't care about human lives, but they are expensive. It costs the economy less to keep thousands of people alive and out of hospital than it does to shut the pubs.
Of course everyone is sad for those that are struggling during this whole thing. That doesn't make it a conspiracy, though.
Bales, good posts as usual
Hope you're getting on okay
I'm good cheers TBag, I'm extremely fortunate.
Hope you and yours stay safe and well
It’s ok to blame the public not following the rules, but does anyone see any ministers saying We made a few mistakes along the way?
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
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A measured response at last
Obviously every death is not good but equally death is part of life. All of our lives.
My concern is for those that will still be here and the struggles they now face, both financial and socially.
To 'shut the world' for a germ that has hardly decimated the global population is beyond ridiculous. Would you, or any of the 'brains' here done the same when looking at the percentages? I honestly doubt it. Nobody would.
As i've said for the past 18 months or so, the current financial died on Sept 17th 2019, something else that 'they' never told you...............and then a germ 'suddenly' appeared?
The death toll is large, but hardly the Black Death levels that we have been led to belive. As our friend Klauss at the WEF tells us in his new book, this pandemic rates as one of the lowest in the past 2000yrs.............yet he and his chums want a global 'reset'? Why?
The current financial system died on Sept 17th 2019.............and then along came a germ.
Go figure.
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Well thanks. I'm not sure where to start with your post, seeing as you haven't acknowledged my point really. Are we to go back to normal and not vaccinate? What's your problem with the vaccination exactly?
'Decimated' no. But the death tolls we're looking at are in the context of a world in lockdown. Social distancing, masks, sanitizing etc etc. Hospitals basically dedicated to dealing with covid patients. It seems the deniers always miss this point.
In lockdown conditions there's a 1.4% death per case rate. Scaled up to the everyone getting it, that would be 98 million people. But once you've scaled it, hospitals would completely fail so you could easily double that.
Aside all that. The 'logical arguments for it being a conspiracy due to the Great Reset ignore the fact that the UK government's original lockdown was priced out. They certainly don't care about human lives, but they are expensive. It costs the economy less to keep thousands of people alive and out of hospital than it does to shut the pubs.
Of course everyone is sad for those that are struggling during this whole thing. That doesn't make it a conspiracy, though.
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I did address your point bud.
The outcome of this germ will be an even greater confiscation of wealth than what we've witnessed previously.
Nothing to do with health.
Cheers for the chat and stay safe
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
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A measured response at last
Obviously every death is not good but equally death is part of life. All of our lives.
My concern is for those that will still be here and the struggles they now face, both financial and socially.
To 'shut the world' for a germ that has hardly decimated the global population is beyond ridiculous. Would you, or any of the 'brains' here done the same when looking at the percentages? I honestly doubt it. Nobody would.
As i've said for the past 18 months or so, the current financial died on Sept 17th 2019, something else that 'they' never told you...............and then a germ 'suddenly' appeared?
The death toll is large, but hardly the Black Death levels that we have been led to belive. As our friend Klauss at the WEF tells us in his new book, this pandemic rates as one of the lowest in the past 2000yrs.............yet he and his chums want a global 'reset'? Why?
The current financial system died on Sept 17th 2019.............and then along came a germ.
Go figure.
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Collapse of the financial system! Brilliant. Don’t tell me, it’s something to do with the Rothschilds?
Someone’s been spending way too much time alone with the internet.
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
---
Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A measured response at last
Obviously every death is not good but equally death is part of life. All of our lives.
My concern is for those that will still be here and the struggles they now face, both financial and socially.
To 'shut the world' for a germ that has hardly decimated the global population is beyond ridiculous. Would you, or any of the 'brains' here done the same when looking at the percentages? I honestly doubt it. Nobody would.
As i've said for the past 18 months or so, the current financial died on Sept 17th 2019, something else that 'they' never told you...............and then a germ 'suddenly' appeared?
The death toll is large, but hardly the Black Death levels that we have been led to belive. As our friend Klauss at the WEF tells us in his new book, this pandemic rates as one of the lowest in the past 2000yrs.............yet he and his chums want a global 'reset'? Why?
The current financial system died on Sept 17th 2019.............and then along came a germ.
Go figure.
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Well thanks. I'm not sure where to start with your post, seeing as you haven't acknowledged my point really. Are we to go back to normal and not vaccinate? What's your problem with the vaccination exactly?
'Decimated' no. But the death tolls we're looking at are in the context of a world in lockdown. Social distancing, masks, sanitizing etc etc. Hospitals basically dedicated to dealing with covid patients. It seems the deniers always miss this point.
In lockdown conditions there's a 1.4% death per case rate. Scaled up to the everyone getting it, that would be 98 million people. But once you've scaled it, hospitals would completely fail so you could easily double that.
Aside all that. The 'logical arguments for it being a conspiracy due to the Great Reset ignore the fact that the UK government's original lockdown was priced out. They certainly don't care about human lives, but they are expensive. It costs the economy less to keep thousands of people alive and out of hospital than it does to shut the pubs.
Of course everyone is sad for those that are struggling during this whole thing. That doesn't make it a conspiracy, though.
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I did address your point bud.
The outcome of this germ will be an even greater confiscation of wealth than what we've witnessed previously.
Nothing to do with health.
Cheers for the chat and stay safe
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Not really. I've asked a couple of different ways what exactly your problem is with the vaccine. I take it you don't believe it's necessary, in which case 500,000 more deaths in England and 98 million around the world don't bother you?
Maybe that's unfair. Deaths do happen as you rightly point out, people dying is sad whether it's a pandemic or not, so let's remove the emotion. Why are you ignoring the economic impact that that many people getting sick and dying would have?
You mention Klauss Schwab's book, in it he discusses the futile nature of pressing on with normal life during a pandemic. Navy ships stuck at sea, hospital wards shutting because they don't have enough staff etc. I mean even Premier league clubs with all their money and facilities have been forced to shut down at points. The cost of doing that time again on a small scale (assuming no government shutdown as you seem to prefer) would be insane. Nothing could function. The damage to the economy would be far worse as it would be chaos. You'd have no idea what was open or running until the day of. Trains, buses, planes, hospitals..
You're right, the billionaires have benefited from this hugely. And that's sickening. But what does that actually mean? Could be they planned it. Could also be that they're really good at investments and spotting future trends. Future trends meaning doing everything online, not predicting pandemics. They were all getting richer anyway, this has just accelerated things.
Don't get me wrong. I like the fact people are challenging what's going on. It's important. But it's also important to challenge the conspiracy stuff you read just as diligently as you would the mainstream media or government messaging.
Global reset, the lunatics are out
I am yet to see a proper analysis from people who are anti lock down and anti social distancing.
Would be nice to see a simulated model where the economic impact is shown when no measures are taken versus the current state.
Just to play devils advocate, has anyone considered the possibility that we are the highest death toll because we are testing at a higher magnification, and reporting deaths differently than other countries?
The reason I say this is because the man that invented the PCR test went on record to say you can find any virus you’re looking for if you magnify the signal enough, in virtually anyone
Any test has to be questioned to its efficacy, and also how you diagnose cause of death
These things aren’t standardised around the world
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 1 minute ago
Just to play devils advocate, has anyone considered the possibility that we are the highest death toll because we are testing at a higher magnification, and reporting deaths differently than other countries?
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No, it’s because we have a criminally incompetent government who have got it wrong every step of the way, and continue to do so.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 1 minute ago
Just to play devils advocate, has anyone considered the possibility that we are the highest death toll because we are testing at a higher magnification, and reporting deaths differently than other countries?
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No, it’s because we have a criminally incompetent government who have got it wrong every step of the way, and continue to do so.
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Certainly part of it, but I fail to believe we are doing things so drastically different in policy ....I mean look at Sweden who didn’t even lockdown. And Japan
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 1 minute ago
Just to play devils advocate, has anyone considered the possibility that we are the highest death toll because we are testing at a higher magnification, and reporting deaths differently than other countries?
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No, it’s because we have a criminally incompetent government who have got it wrong every step of the way, and continue to do so.
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Certainly part of it, but I fail to believe we are doing things so drastically different in policy ....I mean look at Sweden who didn’t even lockdown. And Japan
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Look at New Zealand and the countries in South Asia.
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posted on 26/1/21
comment by #nerfthedmr (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 24 minutes ago
The main thing Jonhson facked is the timing of timing of the lockdowns imo.
On the first one, we had a couple of week head start to get our shiiit together given what was happening in Italy. Instead we just waited and waited. The fact private businesses, sporting organisations acted far quicker than the government saved an even worse outcome.
Then I'm not quite sure what they were playing at this winter. The November lockdown was pointless. It was just tier 3. Their plan seemed to centre around an xmas pissss up. By the time we locked down properly in January the damage was done and it's no surprise we are now suffering far worse deaths than elsewhere.
The Cummings debacle and the world beating test and trace were also unforgivably poor.
The glimmer of hope is that the NHS are in charge of the vaccine roll outbut the government have pretty much facked up every important decision.
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The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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When you say things like 'kills less than 99% of us', it's not a shock people don't take you seriously.
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I've stated a fact. Nothing more and nothing less.
Whether people take me seriously is irrelevant.
Facts don't lie
posted on 26/1/21
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
Lamela
Wasn't starting an argument mate.
I also think the government's should never have basically told those under 30 that this virus doesn't concern them
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Not at all mate. Just coming from another perspective.
There are clearly those who are ignorant ie a 300 person rave etc.
But I think now people are entitled to use their own judgement. For example I've pretty much followed the rules to the letter but at xmas saw the in laws and my folks. Given myself and the missus hadn't left the house for 2 weeks prior I went with a clear conscience.
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I am a big adovate of this approach. Allowing people to use their own judgement, taking responsibility for ones own actions, not having to be dictated to by Govt but trusted. Unfortunately, there are millions out there who cannot be trusted to do the right thing, and so the rules have to be set for the lowest common denominator.
I was highly critical of the Govt and their lack or preparedness for this sort of thing, but what is telling to me is that we have continued to have huge numbers catching it and dying, even now despite everyone being very much aware of the risks. This 2nd/3rd wave is largely on us. There is not a great deal more the Govt could have done to limit the damage other than curfew and shoot to kill policy.
posted on 26/1/21
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 20 seconds ago
Because we all know the best way to control people is to inject them with a vaccine???
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Something something Bill Gate, something something 5G.....
posted on 26/1/21
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
posted on 26/1/21
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by #nerfthedmr (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 24 minutes ago
The main thing Jonhson facked is the timing of timing of the lockdowns imo.
On the first one, we had a couple of week head start to get our shiiit together given what was happening in Italy. Instead we just waited and waited. The fact private businesses, sporting organisations acted far quicker than the government saved an even worse outcome.
Then I'm not quite sure what they were playing at this winter. The November lockdown was pointless. It was just tier 3. Their plan seemed to centre around an xmas pissss up. By the time we locked down properly in January the damage was done and it's no surprise we are now suffering far worse deaths than elsewhere.
The Cummings debacle and the world beating test and trace were also unforgivably poor.
The glimmer of hope is that the NHS are in charge of the vaccine roll outbut the government have pretty much facked up every important decision.
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The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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When you say things like 'kills less than 99% of us', it's not a shock people don't take you seriously.
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I've stated a fact.
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No you haven’t.
posted on 26/1/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 20 seconds ago
Because we all know the best way to control people is to inject them with a vaccine???
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Something something Bill Gate, something something 5G.....
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The big reset!!!
posted on 26/1/21
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 24 minutes ago
The main thing Jonhson facked is the timing of timing of the lockdowns imo.
On the first one, we had a couple of week head start to get our shiiit together given what was happening in Italy. Instead we just waited and waited. The fact private businesses, sporting organisations acted far quicker than the government saved an even worse outcome.
Then I'm not quite sure what they were playing at this winter. The November lockdown was pointless. It was just tier 3. Their plan seemed to centre around an xmas pissss up. By the time we locked down properly in January the damage was done and it's no surprise we are now suffering far worse deaths than elsewhere.
The Cummings debacle and the world beating test and trace were also unforgivably poor.
The glimmer of hope is that the NHS are in charge of the vaccine roll outbut the government have pretty much facked up every important decision.
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The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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What does that even mean?! Give your head a wobble mate
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My head's fine bud.
It's the rest of you that i worry about
posted on 26/1/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 20 seconds ago
Because we all know the best way to control people is to inject them with a vaccine???
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Something something Bill Gate, something something 5G.....
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I was chipped years back.
Mobile phones and cctv for starters.
posted on 26/1/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 21 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
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The less than 99% of us thing is ridiculous. If it killed 98% of us that would qualify! I think he meant that it kills less than 1% of us. Not feeling like I want to listen to anything he says given how wrong he got that statement!
posted on 26/1/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
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A measured response at last
Obviously every death is not good but equally death is part of life. All of our lives.
My concern is for those that will still be here and the struggles they now face, both financial and socially.
To 'shut the world' for a germ that has hardly decimated the global population is beyond ridiculous. Would you, or any of the 'brains' here done the same when looking at the percentages? I honestly doubt it. Nobody would.
As i've said for the past 18 months or so, the current financial died on Sept 17th 2019, something else that 'they' never told you...............and then a germ 'suddenly' appeared?
The death toll is large, but hardly the Black Death levels that we have been led to belive. As our friend Klauss at the WEF tells us in his new book, this pandemic rates as one of the lowest in the past 2000yrs.............yet he and his chums want a global 'reset'? Why?
The current financial system died on Sept 17th 2019.............and then along came a germ.
Go figure.
posted on 26/1/21
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
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A measured response at last
Obviously every death is not good but equally death is part of life. All of our lives.
My concern is for those that will still be here and the struggles they now face, both financial and socially.
To 'shut the world' for a germ that has hardly decimated the global population is beyond ridiculous. Would you, or any of the 'brains' here done the same when looking at the percentages? I honestly doubt it. Nobody would.
As i've said for the past 18 months or so, the current financial died on Sept 17th 2019, something else that 'they' never told you...............and then a germ 'suddenly' appeared?
The death toll is large, but hardly the Black Death levels that we have been led to belive. As our friend Klauss at the WEF tells us in his new book, this pandemic rates as one of the lowest in the past 2000yrs.............yet he and his chums want a global 'reset'? Why?
The current financial system died on Sept 17th 2019.............and then along came a germ.
Go figure.
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Well thanks. I'm not sure where to start with your post, seeing as you haven't acknowledged my point really. Are we to go back to normal and not vaccinate? What's your problem with the vaccination exactly?
'Decimated' no. But the death tolls we're looking at are in the context of a world in lockdown. Social distancing, masks, sanitizing etc etc. Hospitals basically dedicated to dealing with covid patients. It seems the deniers always miss this point.
In lockdown conditions there's a 1.4% death per case rate. Scaled up to the everyone getting it, that would be 98 million people. But once you've scaled it, hospitals would completely fail so you could easily double that.
Aside all that. The 'logical arguments for it being a conspiracy due to the Great Reset ignore the fact that the UK government's original lockdown was priced out. They certainly don't care about human lives, but they are expensive. It costs the economy less to keep thousands of people alive and out of hospital than it does to shut the pubs.
Of course everyone is sad for those that are struggling during this whole thing. That doesn't make it a conspiracy, though.
posted on 26/1/21
Bales, good posts as usual
Hope you're getting on okay
posted on 26/1/21
I'm good cheers TBag, I'm extremely fortunate.
Hope you and yours stay safe and well
posted on 26/1/21
It’s ok to blame the public not following the rules, but does anyone see any ministers saying We made a few mistakes along the way?
posted on 26/1/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
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A measured response at last
Obviously every death is not good but equally death is part of life. All of our lives.
My concern is for those that will still be here and the struggles they now face, both financial and socially.
To 'shut the world' for a germ that has hardly decimated the global population is beyond ridiculous. Would you, or any of the 'brains' here done the same when looking at the percentages? I honestly doubt it. Nobody would.
As i've said for the past 18 months or so, the current financial died on Sept 17th 2019, something else that 'they' never told you...............and then a germ 'suddenly' appeared?
The death toll is large, but hardly the Black Death levels that we have been led to belive. As our friend Klauss at the WEF tells us in his new book, this pandemic rates as one of the lowest in the past 2000yrs.............yet he and his chums want a global 'reset'? Why?
The current financial system died on Sept 17th 2019.............and then along came a germ.
Go figure.
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Well thanks. I'm not sure where to start with your post, seeing as you haven't acknowledged my point really. Are we to go back to normal and not vaccinate? What's your problem with the vaccination exactly?
'Decimated' no. But the death tolls we're looking at are in the context of a world in lockdown. Social distancing, masks, sanitizing etc etc. Hospitals basically dedicated to dealing with covid patients. It seems the deniers always miss this point.
In lockdown conditions there's a 1.4% death per case rate. Scaled up to the everyone getting it, that would be 98 million people. But once you've scaled it, hospitals would completely fail so you could easily double that.
Aside all that. The 'logical arguments for it being a conspiracy due to the Great Reset ignore the fact that the UK government's original lockdown was priced out. They certainly don't care about human lives, but they are expensive. It costs the economy less to keep thousands of people alive and out of hospital than it does to shut the pubs.
Of course everyone is sad for those that are struggling during this whole thing. That doesn't make it a conspiracy, though.
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I did address your point bud.
The outcome of this germ will be an even greater confiscation of wealth than what we've witnessed previously.
Nothing to do with health.
Cheers for the chat and stay safe
posted on 26/1/21
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
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Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
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A measured response at last
Obviously every death is not good but equally death is part of life. All of our lives.
My concern is for those that will still be here and the struggles they now face, both financial and socially.
To 'shut the world' for a germ that has hardly decimated the global population is beyond ridiculous. Would you, or any of the 'brains' here done the same when looking at the percentages? I honestly doubt it. Nobody would.
As i've said for the past 18 months or so, the current financial died on Sept 17th 2019, something else that 'they' never told you...............and then a germ 'suddenly' appeared?
The death toll is large, but hardly the Black Death levels that we have been led to belive. As our friend Klauss at the WEF tells us in his new book, this pandemic rates as one of the lowest in the past 2000yrs.............yet he and his chums want a global 'reset'? Why?
The current financial system died on Sept 17th 2019.............and then along came a germ.
Go figure.
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Collapse of the financial system! Brilliant. Don’t tell me, it’s something to do with the Rothschilds?
Someone’s been spending way too much time alone with the internet.
posted on 26/1/21
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The vaccine isn't a cure to a disease that kills less than 99% of us. It's a reason to dictate what you and i, along with those that follow, can do in the future.
---
Hi Tux. I think you'll find that we vaccinate for loads of things that kill less than 99% of people. That should not be a criteria to judge this on. Though I would ask, what percentage of the population dying is ok with you? Cos 1% of 56 million is 560,000. A decent sized city.
Seeing as the lockdowns haven't worked and aren't realistic in the long term what would you have us do? Accept half a million deaths or vaccinate everyone?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A measured response at last
Obviously every death is not good but equally death is part of life. All of our lives.
My concern is for those that will still be here and the struggles they now face, both financial and socially.
To 'shut the world' for a germ that has hardly decimated the global population is beyond ridiculous. Would you, or any of the 'brains' here done the same when looking at the percentages? I honestly doubt it. Nobody would.
As i've said for the past 18 months or so, the current financial died on Sept 17th 2019, something else that 'they' never told you...............and then a germ 'suddenly' appeared?
The death toll is large, but hardly the Black Death levels that we have been led to belive. As our friend Klauss at the WEF tells us in his new book, this pandemic rates as one of the lowest in the past 2000yrs.............yet he and his chums want a global 'reset'? Why?
The current financial system died on Sept 17th 2019.............and then along came a germ.
Go figure.
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Well thanks. I'm not sure where to start with your post, seeing as you haven't acknowledged my point really. Are we to go back to normal and not vaccinate? What's your problem with the vaccination exactly?
'Decimated' no. But the death tolls we're looking at are in the context of a world in lockdown. Social distancing, masks, sanitizing etc etc. Hospitals basically dedicated to dealing with covid patients. It seems the deniers always miss this point.
In lockdown conditions there's a 1.4% death per case rate. Scaled up to the everyone getting it, that would be 98 million people. But once you've scaled it, hospitals would completely fail so you could easily double that.
Aside all that. The 'logical arguments for it being a conspiracy due to the Great Reset ignore the fact that the UK government's original lockdown was priced out. They certainly don't care about human lives, but they are expensive. It costs the economy less to keep thousands of people alive and out of hospital than it does to shut the pubs.
Of course everyone is sad for those that are struggling during this whole thing. That doesn't make it a conspiracy, though.
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I did address your point bud.
The outcome of this germ will be an even greater confiscation of wealth than what we've witnessed previously.
Nothing to do with health.
Cheers for the chat and stay safe
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Not really. I've asked a couple of different ways what exactly your problem is with the vaccine. I take it you don't believe it's necessary, in which case 500,000 more deaths in England and 98 million around the world don't bother you?
Maybe that's unfair. Deaths do happen as you rightly point out, people dying is sad whether it's a pandemic or not, so let's remove the emotion. Why are you ignoring the economic impact that that many people getting sick and dying would have?
You mention Klauss Schwab's book, in it he discusses the futile nature of pressing on with normal life during a pandemic. Navy ships stuck at sea, hospital wards shutting because they don't have enough staff etc. I mean even Premier league clubs with all their money and facilities have been forced to shut down at points. The cost of doing that time again on a small scale (assuming no government shutdown as you seem to prefer) would be insane. Nothing could function. The damage to the economy would be far worse as it would be chaos. You'd have no idea what was open or running until the day of. Trains, buses, planes, hospitals..
You're right, the billionaires have benefited from this hugely. And that's sickening. But what does that actually mean? Could be they planned it. Could also be that they're really good at investments and spotting future trends. Future trends meaning doing everything online, not predicting pandemics. They were all getting richer anyway, this has just accelerated things.
Don't get me wrong. I like the fact people are challenging what's going on. It's important. But it's also important to challenge the conspiracy stuff you read just as diligently as you would the mainstream media or government messaging.
posted on 26/1/21
Global reset, the lunatics are out
posted on 27/1/21
I am yet to see a proper analysis from people who are anti lock down and anti social distancing.
Would be nice to see a simulated model where the economic impact is shown when no measures are taken versus the current state.
posted on 27/1/21
Just to play devils advocate, has anyone considered the possibility that we are the highest death toll because we are testing at a higher magnification, and reporting deaths differently than other countries?
posted on 27/1/21
The reason I say this is because the man that invented the PCR test went on record to say you can find any virus you’re looking for if you magnify the signal enough, in virtually anyone
Any test has to be questioned to its efficacy, and also how you diagnose cause of death
These things aren’t standardised around the world
posted on 27/1/21
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 1 minute ago
Just to play devils advocate, has anyone considered the possibility that we are the highest death toll because we are testing at a higher magnification, and reporting deaths differently than other countries?
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No, it’s because we have a criminally incompetent government who have got it wrong every step of the way, and continue to do so.
posted on 27/1/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 1 minute ago
Just to play devils advocate, has anyone considered the possibility that we are the highest death toll because we are testing at a higher magnification, and reporting deaths differently than other countries?
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No, it’s because we have a criminally incompetent government who have got it wrong every step of the way, and continue to do so.
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Certainly part of it, but I fail to believe we are doing things so drastically different in policy ....I mean look at Sweden who didn’t even lockdown. And Japan
posted on 27/1/21
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 1 minute ago
Just to play devils advocate, has anyone considered the possibility that we are the highest death toll because we are testing at a higher magnification, and reporting deaths differently than other countries?
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No, it’s because we have a criminally incompetent government who have got it wrong every step of the way, and continue to do so.
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Certainly part of it, but I fail to believe we are doing things so drastically different in policy ....I mean look at Sweden who didn’t even lockdown. And Japan
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Look at New Zealand and the countries in South Asia.
posted on 27/1/21
100
thousand deaths
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