Interesting.
Allardyce is a stain on football and the fact that he keeps getting work makes you think the whole game is corrupt to the core.
Seen clips of the interview, he seems genuinely regretful of not applying himself more as a youngster. What could have been...
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 1 minute ago
Interesting.
Allardyce is a stain on football and the fact that he keeps getting work makes you think the whole game is corrupt to the core.
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It sounds to me that he has a puppet agent set up so that he can get a cut of player agent fees.
I've also heard rumours that he has told out of favour players to pay him X amount to play games.
Sam is footballing mafia. He probably has a lot of dirt on the FA hence why he has never been kicked out of the game.
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 10 minutes ago
Interesting.
Allardyce is a stain on football and the fact that he keeps getting work makes you think the whole game is corrupt to the core.
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There's a reductive old boys club that the media plays j to
Talksport LOVE having him on and treating like some svengali of the game
Crouchy, pop on to the new election thread boss
comment by CrøuchEndGøøner (U13531)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 10 minutes ago
Interesting.
Allardyce is a stain on football and the fact that he keeps getting work makes you think the whole game is corrupt to the core.
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There's a reductive old boys club that the media plays j to
Talksport LOVE having him on and treating like some svengali of the game
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Usually to give off about how British managers never being given a chance, despite the fact that he gets chance after chance
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Crouchy, pop on to the new election thread boss
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politics too depressing
comment by CrøuchEndGøøner (U13531)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Crouchy, pop on to the new election thread boss
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politics too depressing
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arab... pop on the new easternders thread boss
He doesn't sound very intelligent, far from it in fact. I can only assume he didn't have very good parents to enforce the sort of discipline and structure needed to be a PL footballer.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 32 seconds ago
He doesn't sound very intelligent, far from it in fact. I can only assume he didn't have very good parents to enforce the sort of discipline and structure needed to be a PL footballer.
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his mother was a single parent
I also think the club could have maybe done more for Ravel, he speaks about a lack of a father figure, that should have come from within the club imo.
Yeah Rio was talking about how he had a similar background to Ravel but his dad was the one who was strict with him about time keeping and being professional. It also sounds like Ravel's mum was a carer for his grandparent(s).
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 32 seconds ago
He doesn't sound very intelligent, far from it in fact. I can only assume he didn't have very good parents to enforce the sort of discipline and structure needed to be a PL footballer.
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his mother was a single parent
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So one parent wasn't around and the other likely didn't have the time to enforce a good worth ethic and appreciation for his opportunity in life.
"didn't have very good" may not be the right wording, but his parenting clearly let him down.
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
comment by Mike. (U1170)
posted 54 minutes ago
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
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That is representative of a large proportion of British society. He is the symptom of the environment we have created in our country over the last 2 decades.
comment by Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
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This. All very well trying to blame everything else but it was mainly his own fault. Don’t have much sympathy, had a gift of a career to make millions and squandered his talent being a nob
comment by Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
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A stupid comment and someone that looks at life just as black and white if I have ever seen one. Just head to the IOPPN, there are a lot of in-depth research from King's College showing how being raised in a single parent household or from his environment can have an impact on an individual throughout life.
No one is going around feeling sorry for him, he made his bed and now must deal with it. But please refrain from this simplistic line of thinking
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posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
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This. All very well trying to blame everything else but it was mainly his own fault. Don’t have much sympathy, had a gift of a career to make millions and squandered his talent being a nob
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This comment comes from a privileged perspective in my opinion. It’s very easy to say he squandered his opportunity when you’ve never had to live with the hand he was dealt. People have mentioned he didn’t have a father figure, but his mum barely played a part in his life either. Foisted him on his grandparents. No wonder he grew up undisciplined and demonstrated a lack of respect for women in his relationships that got him in trouble. His primary experience of women was abandonment/disinterest, and he had no real father figure to smack some sense into him,
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Ole-dirty-baztard - You want ole in, ole out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about. Do the ole Koke- ADMIN 5 (U19119)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
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This. All very well trying to blame everything else but it was mainly his own fault. Don’t have much sympathy, had a gift of a career to make millions and squandered his talent being a nob
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This comment comes from a privileged perspective in my opinion. It’s very easy to say he squandered his opportunity when you’ve never had to live with the hand he was dealt. People have mentioned he didn’t have a father figure, but his mum barely played a part in his life either. Foisted him on his grandparents. No wonder he grew up undisciplined and demonstrated a lack of respect for women in his relationships that got him in trouble. His primary experience of women was abandonment/disinterest, and he had no real father figure to smack some sense into him,
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Exactly my thoughts!!! It is the same line of ridiculous thinking that tries to compare IQ of African Americans vs others. As one scholar rightly noted, how can you give a man "equal education" only in the 1950s (this is still debatable of course), and expect them to have the same IQ as you in just over 50 years.
Haven't watched the video but from reading the OP he's had an interesting career despite the unfilled early promise. He had a shot at UTD for starters and as mentioned in the OP he has played professional football in "multiple" countries.
Funny how the entire focus is now on Ravel and not the focus of the article; Allardyce and his dodgy dealings
comment by CrøuchEndGøøner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
Funny how the entire focus is now on Ravel and not the focus of the article; Allardyce and his dodgy dealings
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TBF big Sam was just a part of the OP despite the heading.
Despicable behaviour from Allardyce though
Really interesting interview.
The only thing that wasn't really pressed on much is that Ravel has been unable to string games together or get himself a long contract at any time in his career. Ravel gave his reasons for this, which I accept, but it's hard to default to that argument 5, 6, 7 times over, and he wasn't pressed on that.
The excuses have dried up at this point so I really hope he can play regular football at a decent level because he's fun to watch and seems like a decent guy at heart.
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posted on 16/2/21
Interesting.
Allardyce is a stain on football and the fact that he keeps getting work makes you think the whole game is corrupt to the core.
posted on 16/2/21
Seen clips of the interview, he seems genuinely regretful of not applying himself more as a youngster. What could have been...
posted on 16/2/21
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 1 minute ago
Interesting.
Allardyce is a stain on football and the fact that he keeps getting work makes you think the whole game is corrupt to the core.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It sounds to me that he has a puppet agent set up so that he can get a cut of player agent fees.
I've also heard rumours that he has told out of favour players to pay him X amount to play games.
posted on 16/2/21
Sam is footballing mafia. He probably has a lot of dirt on the FA hence why he has never been kicked out of the game.
posted on 16/2/21
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 10 minutes ago
Interesting.
Allardyce is a stain on football and the fact that he keeps getting work makes you think the whole game is corrupt to the core.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's a reductive old boys club that the media plays j to
Talksport LOVE having him on and treating like some svengali of the game
posted on 16/2/21
Crouchy, pop on to the new election thread boss
posted on 16/2/21
comment by CrøuchEndGøøner (U13531)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 10 minutes ago
Interesting.
Allardyce is a stain on football and the fact that he keeps getting work makes you think the whole game is corrupt to the core.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's a reductive old boys club that the media plays j to
Talksport LOVE having him on and treating like some svengali of the game
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Usually to give off about how British managers never being given a chance, despite the fact that he gets chance after chance
posted on 16/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Crouchy, pop on to the new election thread boss
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politics too depressing
posted on 16/2/21
comment by CrøuchEndGøøner (U13531)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Crouchy, pop on to the new election thread boss
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politics too depressing
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arab... pop on the new easternders thread boss
posted on 16/2/21
He doesn't sound very intelligent, far from it in fact. I can only assume he didn't have very good parents to enforce the sort of discipline and structure needed to be a PL footballer.
posted on 16/2/21
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 32 seconds ago
He doesn't sound very intelligent, far from it in fact. I can only assume he didn't have very good parents to enforce the sort of discipline and structure needed to be a PL footballer.
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his mother was a single parent
posted on 16/2/21
I also think the club could have maybe done more for Ravel, he speaks about a lack of a father figure, that should have come from within the club imo.
posted on 16/2/21
Yeah Rio was talking about how he had a similar background to Ravel but his dad was the one who was strict with him about time keeping and being professional. It also sounds like Ravel's mum was a carer for his grandparent(s).
posted on 16/2/21
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 32 seconds ago
He doesn't sound very intelligent, far from it in fact. I can only assume he didn't have very good parents to enforce the sort of discipline and structure needed to be a PL footballer.
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his mother was a single parent
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So one parent wasn't around and the other likely didn't have the time to enforce a good worth ethic and appreciation for his opportunity in life.
"didn't have very good" may not be the right wording, but his parenting clearly let him down.
posted on 16/2/21
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
posted on 16/2/21
comment by Mike. (U1170)
posted 54 minutes ago
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
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That is representative of a large proportion of British society. He is the symptom of the environment we have created in our country over the last 2 decades.
posted on 16/2/21
comment by Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
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This. All very well trying to blame everything else but it was mainly his own fault. Don’t have much sympathy, had a gift of a career to make millions and squandered his talent being a nob
posted on 16/2/21
comment by Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
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A stupid comment and someone that looks at life just as black and white if I have ever seen one. Just head to the IOPPN, there are a lot of in-depth research from King's College showing how being raised in a single parent household or from his environment can have an impact on an individual throughout life.
No one is going around feeling sorry for him, he made his bed and now must deal with it. But please refrain from this simplistic line of thinking
posted on 16/2/21
comment by Ole-dirty-baztard - You want ole in, ole out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about. Do the ole Koke- ADMIN 5 (U19119)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
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This. All very well trying to blame everything else but it was mainly his own fault. Don’t have much sympathy, had a gift of a career to make millions and squandered his talent being a nob
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This comment comes from a privileged perspective in my opinion. It’s very easy to say he squandered his opportunity when you’ve never had to live with the hand he was dealt. People have mentioned he didn’t have a father figure, but his mum barely played a part in his life either. Foisted him on his grandparents. No wonder he grew up undisciplined and demonstrated a lack of respect for women in his relationships that got him in trouble. His primary experience of women was abandonment/disinterest, and he had no real father figure to smack some sense into him,
posted on 16/2/21
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Ole-dirty-baztard - You want ole in, ole out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about. Do the ole Koke- ADMIN 5 (U19119)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
He was still acting like a bit of a caaant well into his 20s though, so a large of his failure part is on him.
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This. All very well trying to blame everything else but it was mainly his own fault. Don’t have much sympathy, had a gift of a career to make millions and squandered his talent being a nob
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This comment comes from a privileged perspective in my opinion. It’s very easy to say he squandered his opportunity when you’ve never had to live with the hand he was dealt. People have mentioned he didn’t have a father figure, but his mum barely played a part in his life either. Foisted him on his grandparents. No wonder he grew up undisciplined and demonstrated a lack of respect for women in his relationships that got him in trouble. His primary experience of women was abandonment/disinterest, and he had no real father figure to smack some sense into him,
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Exactly my thoughts!!! It is the same line of ridiculous thinking that tries to compare IQ of African Americans vs others. As one scholar rightly noted, how can you give a man "equal education" only in the 1950s (this is still debatable of course), and expect them to have the same IQ as you in just over 50 years.
posted on 16/2/21
Haven't watched the video but from reading the OP he's had an interesting career despite the unfilled early promise. He had a shot at UTD for starters and as mentioned in the OP he has played professional football in "multiple" countries.
posted on 16/2/21
Funny how the entire focus is now on Ravel and not the focus of the article; Allardyce and his dodgy dealings
posted on 16/2/21
comment by CrøuchEndGøøner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
Funny how the entire focus is now on Ravel and not the focus of the article; Allardyce and his dodgy dealings
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TBF big Sam was just a part of the OP despite the heading.
Despicable behaviour from Allardyce though
posted on 16/2/21
Aye that's true
posted on 16/2/21
Really interesting interview.
The only thing that wasn't really pressed on much is that Ravel has been unable to string games together or get himself a long contract at any time in his career. Ravel gave his reasons for this, which I accept, but it's hard to default to that argument 5, 6, 7 times over, and he wasn't pressed on that.
The excuses have dried up at this point so I really hope he can play regular football at a decent level because he's fun to watch and seems like a decent guy at heart.
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