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Ole's reaction to that wide shot is the most idiotic and embarrassing thing I've seen from a manager.
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You've only watched one match? Kind of an embarrassing thing to admit.
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
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comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
When players were shooting from distance more. You'll see teams now focusing more on creating chances in the box, as they're easier to score.
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Remember the 09/10 CL final... SAF had spent a great deal of thought on how to combat Barca's ability to get in behind us... They just hit us with amazing long range goals instead.
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You mean 10/11 final, with messi and villa shots. We have Fred shooting. He almost seems to have more long range shots than Bruno, Pogba, and Mct, who are better.
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The point was that there is not one single "correct" way to play football
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But ideally you want your better shooters taking shots.
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comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
When players were shooting from distance more. You'll see teams now focusing more on creating chances in the box, as they're easier to score.
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Remember the 09/10 CL final... SAF had spent a great deal of thought on how to combat Barca's ability to get in behind us... They just hit us with amazing long range goals instead.
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You mean 10/11 final, with messi and villa shots. We have Fred shooting. He almost seems to have more long range shots than Bruno, Pogba, and Mct, who are better.
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McTomminay, probably, but not more than Bruno or Pogba.
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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Well, Rashford's shot accuracy is 45%. Nani's was 29%. He used to shoot all the time. It was one of my biggest gripes with the lad. He was stupid.
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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Well, Rashford's shot accuracy is 45%. Nani's was 29%. He used to shoot all the time. It was one of my biggest gripes with the lad. He was stupid.
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When it came off it was a thing of beauty though.
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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Well, Rashford's shot accuracy is 45%. Nani's was 29%. He used to shoot all the time. It was one of my biggest gripes with the lad. He was stupid.
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He was a winger though, and they get a chunk of their goals through long distance efforts. Rashford however, is a striker, and needs to get in the box more.
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
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"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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Well, Rashford's shot accuracy is 45%. Nani's was 29%. He used to shoot all the time. It was one of my biggest gripes with the lad. He was stupid.
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He was a winger though, and they get a chunk of their goals through long distance efforts. Rashford however, is a striker, and needs to get in the box more.
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Ah right. So you can be wasteful if you are a winger. But not striker or a midfielder. Got it. Even though Rashford doesn't usually play as a striker.
Makes sense. I will start taking you seriously now.
I read that as Ole reacting the same way as I did: when you see Fred lining up to shoot, you think 'no, don't do it' and then it's actually not a bad effort, it makes you laugh. It's like a joke that works on building up an expectation, then subverting it.
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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Well, Rashford's shot accuracy is 45%. Nani's was 29%. He used to shoot all the time. It was one of my biggest gripes with the lad. He was stupid.
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He was a winger though, and they get a chunk of their goals through long distance efforts. Rashford however, is a striker, and needs to get in the box more.
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Ah right. So you can be wasteful if you are a winger. But not striker or a midfielder. Got it. Even though Rashford doesn't usually play as a striker.
Makes sense. I will start taking you seriously now.
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Wingers don't get in the box much, not back then anyway. Rashford is a wide forward, and he and Martial need to get in the box. That's where most of their goals should come from.
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comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 27 minutes ago
This is the sort of thing where we just don't know enough to understand what the interaction meant to those particular people. It could have meant a number of things, we can speculate all we like but you'd be far better in finding out before making your mind up.
I think I've seen or read something that he's actually good at shooting in training, it might be something they've been working on specifically to try and increase his output. It could have been an area of the pitch or technique in particular he's been trying to get through to him and he was pleased with the effort.
It could even be a bit of an in joke, like he's told him do not shoot but if you do, it better at least be on target or close. So he had his one shot and he was happy that he'd made the decision to shoot under the right circumstances and so he's happy with that because the decision making was better.
I'd find out more about it before I went down the route of outrage to be honest. Sometimes withholding an opinion in the presence of ignorance is the sensible thing to do.
I'd be concerned if they weren't trying to increase his oitput in that area at all to be honest, he's a midfielder and will find himself in space to shoot. If it's something he struggles with, then we should be working with him on it and there's nothing wrong with applauding a decent effort, which his was.
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Then he should be encouraged to get in the box more. But he's a DM, so don't see how it's important to increase his goals when that's not his role. If we're encouraging the less talented players to shoot, then that sums up our one goal against the top 6.
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He is not a "DM". Even if he was a defensive specialist, players all over the pitch can still contribute towards goals, a centre half isn't 'supposed' to score goals but that doesn't mean you don't want them to be capable when the opportunity presents itself.
Fred being required to prioritise his defensive responsibilities does not mean there is zero focus on any other aspect of his game. There will be different setups and patterns of play which change who does what and when.
I don't see a problem with wanting Fred to be able to contribute 5-10 goals a season, if some additional coaching or tactical changes will allow this.
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comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
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This is the sort of thing where we just don't know enough to understand what the interaction meant to those particular people. It could have meant a number of things, we can speculate all we like but you'd be far better in finding out before making your mind up.
I think I've seen or read something that he's actually good at shooting in training, it might be something they've been working on specifically to try and increase his output. It could have been an area of the pitch or technique in particular he's been trying to get through to him and he was pleased with the effort.
It could even be a bit of an in joke, like he's told him do not shoot but if you do, it better at least be on target or close. So he had his one shot and he was happy that he'd made the decision to shoot under the right circumstances and so he's happy with that because the decision making was better.
I'd find out more about it before I went down the route of outrage to be honest. Sometimes withholding an opinion in the presence of ignorance is the sensible thing to do.
I'd be concerned if they weren't trying to increase his oitput in that area at all to be honest, he's a midfielder and will find himself in space to shoot. If it's something he struggles with, then we should be working with him on it and there's nothing wrong with applauding a decent effort, which his was.
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Then he should be encouraged to get in the box more. But he's a DM, so don't see how it's important to increase his goals when that's not his role. If we're encouraging the less talented players to shoot, then that sums up our one goal against the top 6.
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He is not a "DM". Even if he was a defensive specialist, players all over the pitch can still contribute towards goals, a centre half isn't 'supposed' to score goals but that doesn't mean you don't want them to be capable when the opportunity presents itself.
Fred being required to prioritise his defensive responsibilities does not mean there is zero focus on any other aspect of his game. There will be different setups and patterns of play which change who does what and when.
I don't see a problem with wanting Fred to be able to contribute 5-10 goals a season, if some additional coaching or tactical changes will allow this.
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If he wants to get more goals, he needs to make more runs into the box.
In tight games line yesterday, he needs to be looking for the pass rather than shooting from distance. In those games it doesn't matter who scores. The ball simply has to go to the player in the best position.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
I read that as Ole reacting the same way as I did: when you see Fred lining up to shoot, you think 'no, don't do it' and then it's actually not a bad effort, it makes you laugh. It's like a joke that works on building up an expectation, then subverting it.
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Maybe. Still thinks he needs to pass in such situations where we need a goal.
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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I read that as Ole reacting the same way as I did: when you see Fred lining up to shoot, you think 'no, don't do it' and then it's actually not a bad effort, it makes you laugh. It's like a joke that works on building up an expectation, then subverting it.
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Maybe. Still thinks he needs to pass in such situations where we need a goal.
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Mostly he does. Having said that, it was one of our better efforts on goal in the game and he didn't spurn a golden 'key pass' opportunity. If it had been a terrible effort, I'd have been mad at him. As it is, I get the impression people are irritated because of the probability that he'd mess up the shot badly when in fact it was a decent effort.
It might have been a more general "well done for being the most contributive player on the park" demonstration of encouragement by Ole.
Because he certainly deserved it.
Why don't you write to him and ask him.
Pillocks.
Fred shouldn’t be taking shots from distance, but it’s not something that’s a particular problem with this team doing so - we have players that are very good at shooting from distance.
It also opens up spaces for us in and around the box, teams are very wary of our threat from range and do rush out to stop them having the time and space to shoot from these areas, so even when we don’t shoot it’s helping us that teams think we will - other teams without that same threat will see the opposition happy enough to keep their shape and let them pass it around, I think this is an issue for Chelsea and Arsenal.
We get a lot of free kicks in dangerous areas off it as well, and I think it’s one of thr reasons we get so many pens. Lots of our pens are just inside the box as we’re very dangerous from there, we don’t score enough goals from the space between the penalty spot and the goal line.
The latter is where we really need to improve. If we get that right we’d be such an unbelievably hard team to defend against as our goals scoring threat from around 18 yards is probably the best in the league.
Liverpool probably our biggest rivals here. And this is what made them so good, they’ve had the good balance between tap ins and goals from further out. City are the only team that can consistently carve teams open and score from close range.
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
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Fred shouldn’t be taking shots from distance, but it’s not something that’s a particular problem with this team doing so - we have players that are very good at shooting from distance.
It also opens up spaces for us in and around the box, teams are very wary of our threat from range and do rush out to stop them having the time and space to shoot from these areas, so even when we don’t shoot it’s helping us that teams think we will - other teams without that same threat will see the opposition happy enough to keep their shape and let them pass it around, I think this is an issue for Chelsea and Arsenal.
We get a lot of free kicks in dangerous areas off it as well, and I think it’s one of thr reasons we get so many pens. Lots of our pens are just inside the box as we’re very dangerous from there, we don’t score enough goals from the space between the penalty spot and the goal line.
The latter is where we really need to improve. If we get that right we’d be such an unbelievably hard team to defend against as our goals scoring threat from around 18 yards is probably the best in the league.
Liverpool probably our biggest rivals here. And this is what made them so good, they’ve had the good balance between tap ins and goals from further out. City are the only team that can consistently carve teams open and score from close range.
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Fred is the least effective, which is probably why he gets more space as teams are more wary of the others.
Ofcourse carrying threats from different areas of the pitch means the opposition have to cover more bases. This is why it would be great if we had a threat on the right.
The problem with our strikers is they don't attack the 6 yard box enough. It's strange how Rashford and Martial want to play cf, yet go chasing the ball.
I think it’s partly tactical, lack of awareness and lack of trust in the teammates providing from certain areas. Even Cavani isn’t getting the ball in the positions he’s used to as he’s not getting the same service, and there aren’t enough men in the box to occupy other defenders. It’s also not a surprise players aren’t gambling on the ball coming in at the back post when it so often fails to.
It’s why Sancho would potentially make such a big difference to this team. We’d finally have a creative outlet from the right hand side, and a player that will arrive at the back post.
As much as I dislike our build up play under Ole, there’s clearly a massive personnel issue on the right that is hindering the team.
We probably won't get Sancho. We'll be pinning our hopes on Amad.
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 50 minutes ago
Fred shouldn’t be taking shots from distance, but it’s not something that’s a particular problem with this team doing so - we have players that are very good at shooting from distance.
It also opens up spaces for us in and around the box, teams are very wary of our threat from range and do rush out to stop them having the time and space to shoot from these areas, so even when we don’t shoot it’s helping us that teams think we will - other teams without that same threat will see the opposition happy enough to keep their shape and let them pass it around, I think this is an issue for Chelsea and Arsenal.
We get a lot of free kicks in dangerous areas off it as well, and I think it’s one of thr reasons we get so many pens. Lots of our pens are just inside the box as we’re very dangerous from there, we don’t score enough goals from the space between the penalty spot and the goal line.
The latter is where we really need to improve. If we get that right we’d be such an unbelievably hard team to defend against as our goals scoring threat from around 18 yards is probably the best in the league.
Liverpool probably our biggest rivals here. And this is what made them so good, they’ve had the good balance between tap ins and goals from further out. City are the only team that can consistently carve teams open and score from close range.
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Great post.
Our biggest problem in terms of goalscoring is in and around the six yard box: forwards getting across their CBs near post, winning headers from crosses in open play and from corners, and bullying the ball in when it gets scrappy. We just don’t score enough of those predatory, poaching, apex-nine type goals.
I’d add that City are also, of course, a threat from 18 to 22 yards, with Bernardo, Gundogan and the wingers a threat from deeper. Part of the reason why they’re so facking difficult to defend against. They score all kinds of goals.
You may be right, but I think that would be a mistake.
rosso, yeah it’s most definitely an issue. And why we need a striker. But it’s still not as big an issue as the chance creation from out wide, in my opinion. It’s improving on the left with Shaw and Rashford improving their final ball, but the right is still a black hole.
City do have that threat, but I don’t think they are as dangerous as us and Liverpool. Though they rely on it less as they’re better at creating easy chances in the penalty box. And that’s even without a recognised cf to put them away.
When they sign Haaland we really are all facked whilst Pep’s still here.
I think it goes without saying as well that we need to improve when it comes to getting the ball to those players in more dangerous areas to make it easier for them to supply those types of short range chances that we don't score enough of.
City are and have been probably the best side in Europe for so many years now at creating chances from close range, especially from low crosses across the face of goal. It's sort of become their trademark move.
That inward diagonal run their wide players make is so facking hard to deal with.
Pep’s teams have been the best in Europe at that ever since 2008. The bloke is just unbelievable.
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
I think it goes without saying as well that we need to improve when it comes to getting the ball to those players in more dangerous areas to make it easier for them to supply those types of short range chances that we don't score enough of.
City are and have been probably the best side in Europe for so many years now at creating chances from close range, especially from low crosses across the face of goal. It's sort of become their trademark move.
That inward diagonal run their wide players make is so facking hard to deal with.
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I’d say our movement in the box is actually a bigger problem than the service from wide areas. Both need serious work though.
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comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
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Ole's reaction to that wide shot is the most idiotic and embarrassing thing I've seen from a manager.
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You've only watched one match? Kind of an embarrassing thing to admit.
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
When players were shooting from distance more. You'll see teams now focusing more on creating chances in the box, as they're easier to score.
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Remember the 09/10 CL final... SAF had spent a great deal of thought on how to combat Barca's ability to get in behind us... They just hit us with amazing long range goals instead.
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You mean 10/11 final, with messi and villa shots. We have Fred shooting. He almost seems to have more long range shots than Bruno, Pogba, and Mct, who are better.
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The point was that there is not one single "correct" way to play football
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But ideally you want your better shooters taking shots.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
When players were shooting from distance more. You'll see teams now focusing more on creating chances in the box, as they're easier to score.
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Remember the 09/10 CL final... SAF had spent a great deal of thought on how to combat Barca's ability to get in behind us... They just hit us with amazing long range goals instead.
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You mean 10/11 final, with messi and villa shots. We have Fred shooting. He almost seems to have more long range shots than Bruno, Pogba, and Mct, who are better.
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McTomminay, probably, but not more than Bruno or Pogba.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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Well, Rashford's shot accuracy is 45%. Nani's was 29%. He used to shoot all the time. It was one of my biggest gripes with the lad. He was stupid.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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Well, Rashford's shot accuracy is 45%. Nani's was 29%. He used to shoot all the time. It was one of my biggest gripes with the lad. He was stupid.
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When it came off it was a thing of beauty though.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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Well, Rashford's shot accuracy is 45%. Nani's was 29%. He used to shoot all the time. It was one of my biggest gripes with the lad. He was stupid.
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He was a winger though, and they get a chunk of their goals through long distance efforts. Rashford however, is a striker, and needs to get in the box more.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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Well, Rashford's shot accuracy is 45%. Nani's was 29%. He used to shoot all the time. It was one of my biggest gripes with the lad. He was stupid.
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He was a winger though, and they get a chunk of their goals through long distance efforts. Rashford however, is a striker, and needs to get in the box more.
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Ah right. So you can be wasteful if you are a winger. But not striker or a midfielder. Got it. Even though Rashford doesn't usually play as a striker.
Makes sense. I will start taking you seriously now.
posted on 1/3/21
I read that as Ole reacting the same way as I did: when you see Fred lining up to shoot, you think 'no, don't do it' and then it's actually not a bad effort, it makes you laugh. It's like a joke that works on building up an expectation, then subverting it.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
"Rashford also used to take on a lot of ridiculous shots, but has finally eased off, probably after reading fans reaction to it. "
Who knew you were so influential, N2?
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Burst out laughing when I read that. How can anyone take this post seriously when the OP criticises Ole for failing to coach players in certain things and also refuses to give credit for coaching improvements in a players' game?
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Because this article is about the team unit not individuals.
As far as Rashford goes, he took so long to change that aspect of his game, which makes it look like he just eventually realised it himself.
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That makes even less sense than your usual guff. Circular logic at it's finest.
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It would literally take one minute to tell him to stop shooting from ridiculous angles and distances. The fact nothing changed for months would indicate no one said anything to him. Even you should be able to understand this.
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Yep. SAF should also have thought of telling this to Nani. Imagine the greatest manager ever failing to spot this obvious problem.
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It was never as big of a problem with Nani.
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This is why I can't take you seriously. Nani was often shooting from too far out or ridiculous angles. It was a regular topic of conversation and SAF could often be seen going absolutely mental on the sidelines when he wasted another good position with a stupid shot.
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I don't recall it being as bad. Ofcourse it was a better team, so didn't pose as much of a problem as it does now.
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Well, Rashford's shot accuracy is 45%. Nani's was 29%. He used to shoot all the time. It was one of my biggest gripes with the lad. He was stupid.
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He was a winger though, and they get a chunk of their goals through long distance efforts. Rashford however, is a striker, and needs to get in the box more.
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Ah right. So you can be wasteful if you are a winger. But not striker or a midfielder. Got it. Even though Rashford doesn't usually play as a striker.
Makes sense. I will start taking you seriously now.
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Wingers don't get in the box much, not back then anyway. Rashford is a wide forward, and he and Martial need to get in the box. That's where most of their goals should come from.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 27 minutes ago
This is the sort of thing where we just don't know enough to understand what the interaction meant to those particular people. It could have meant a number of things, we can speculate all we like but you'd be far better in finding out before making your mind up.
I think I've seen or read something that he's actually good at shooting in training, it might be something they've been working on specifically to try and increase his output. It could have been an area of the pitch or technique in particular he's been trying to get through to him and he was pleased with the effort.
It could even be a bit of an in joke, like he's told him do not shoot but if you do, it better at least be on target or close. So he had his one shot and he was happy that he'd made the decision to shoot under the right circumstances and so he's happy with that because the decision making was better.
I'd find out more about it before I went down the route of outrage to be honest. Sometimes withholding an opinion in the presence of ignorance is the sensible thing to do.
I'd be concerned if they weren't trying to increase his oitput in that area at all to be honest, he's a midfielder and will find himself in space to shoot. If it's something he struggles with, then we should be working with him on it and there's nothing wrong with applauding a decent effort, which his was.
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Then he should be encouraged to get in the box more. But he's a DM, so don't see how it's important to increase his goals when that's not his role. If we're encouraging the less talented players to shoot, then that sums up our one goal against the top 6.
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He is not a "DM". Even if he was a defensive specialist, players all over the pitch can still contribute towards goals, a centre half isn't 'supposed' to score goals but that doesn't mean you don't want them to be capable when the opportunity presents itself.
Fred being required to prioritise his defensive responsibilities does not mean there is zero focus on any other aspect of his game. There will be different setups and patterns of play which change who does what and when.
I don't see a problem with wanting Fred to be able to contribute 5-10 goals a season, if some additional coaching or tactical changes will allow this.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 27 minutes ago
This is the sort of thing where we just don't know enough to understand what the interaction meant to those particular people. It could have meant a number of things, we can speculate all we like but you'd be far better in finding out before making your mind up.
I think I've seen or read something that he's actually good at shooting in training, it might be something they've been working on specifically to try and increase his output. It could have been an area of the pitch or technique in particular he's been trying to get through to him and he was pleased with the effort.
It could even be a bit of an in joke, like he's told him do not shoot but if you do, it better at least be on target or close. So he had his one shot and he was happy that he'd made the decision to shoot under the right circumstances and so he's happy with that because the decision making was better.
I'd find out more about it before I went down the route of outrage to be honest. Sometimes withholding an opinion in the presence of ignorance is the sensible thing to do.
I'd be concerned if they weren't trying to increase his oitput in that area at all to be honest, he's a midfielder and will find himself in space to shoot. If it's something he struggles with, then we should be working with him on it and there's nothing wrong with applauding a decent effort, which his was.
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Then he should be encouraged to get in the box more. But he's a DM, so don't see how it's important to increase his goals when that's not his role. If we're encouraging the less talented players to shoot, then that sums up our one goal against the top 6.
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He is not a "DM". Even if he was a defensive specialist, players all over the pitch can still contribute towards goals, a centre half isn't 'supposed' to score goals but that doesn't mean you don't want them to be capable when the opportunity presents itself.
Fred being required to prioritise his defensive responsibilities does not mean there is zero focus on any other aspect of his game. There will be different setups and patterns of play which change who does what and when.
I don't see a problem with wanting Fred to be able to contribute 5-10 goals a season, if some additional coaching or tactical changes will allow this.
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If he wants to get more goals, he needs to make more runs into the box.
In tight games line yesterday, he needs to be looking for the pass rather than shooting from distance. In those games it doesn't matter who scores. The ball simply has to go to the player in the best position.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
I read that as Ole reacting the same way as I did: when you see Fred lining up to shoot, you think 'no, don't do it' and then it's actually not a bad effort, it makes you laugh. It's like a joke that works on building up an expectation, then subverting it.
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Maybe. Still thinks he needs to pass in such situations where we need a goal.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
I read that as Ole reacting the same way as I did: when you see Fred lining up to shoot, you think 'no, don't do it' and then it's actually not a bad effort, it makes you laugh. It's like a joke that works on building up an expectation, then subverting it.
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Maybe. Still thinks he needs to pass in such situations where we need a goal.
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Mostly he does. Having said that, it was one of our better efforts on goal in the game and he didn't spurn a golden 'key pass' opportunity. If it had been a terrible effort, I'd have been mad at him. As it is, I get the impression people are irritated because of the probability that he'd mess up the shot badly when in fact it was a decent effort.
posted on 1/3/21
It might have been a more general "well done for being the most contributive player on the park" demonstration of encouragement by Ole.
Because he certainly deserved it.
Why don't you write to him and ask him.
Pillocks.
posted on 1/3/21
Fred shouldn’t be taking shots from distance, but it’s not something that’s a particular problem with this team doing so - we have players that are very good at shooting from distance.
It also opens up spaces for us in and around the box, teams are very wary of our threat from range and do rush out to stop them having the time and space to shoot from these areas, so even when we don’t shoot it’s helping us that teams think we will - other teams without that same threat will see the opposition happy enough to keep their shape and let them pass it around, I think this is an issue for Chelsea and Arsenal.
We get a lot of free kicks in dangerous areas off it as well, and I think it’s one of thr reasons we get so many pens. Lots of our pens are just inside the box as we’re very dangerous from there, we don’t score enough goals from the space between the penalty spot and the goal line.
The latter is where we really need to improve. If we get that right we’d be such an unbelievably hard team to defend against as our goals scoring threat from around 18 yards is probably the best in the league.
Liverpool probably our biggest rivals here. And this is what made them so good, they’ve had the good balance between tap ins and goals from further out. City are the only team that can consistently carve teams open and score from close range.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
Fred shouldn’t be taking shots from distance, but it’s not something that’s a particular problem with this team doing so - we have players that are very good at shooting from distance.
It also opens up spaces for us in and around the box, teams are very wary of our threat from range and do rush out to stop them having the time and space to shoot from these areas, so even when we don’t shoot it’s helping us that teams think we will - other teams without that same threat will see the opposition happy enough to keep their shape and let them pass it around, I think this is an issue for Chelsea and Arsenal.
We get a lot of free kicks in dangerous areas off it as well, and I think it’s one of thr reasons we get so many pens. Lots of our pens are just inside the box as we’re very dangerous from there, we don’t score enough goals from the space between the penalty spot and the goal line.
The latter is where we really need to improve. If we get that right we’d be such an unbelievably hard team to defend against as our goals scoring threat from around 18 yards is probably the best in the league.
Liverpool probably our biggest rivals here. And this is what made them so good, they’ve had the good balance between tap ins and goals from further out. City are the only team that can consistently carve teams open and score from close range.
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Fred is the least effective, which is probably why he gets more space as teams are more wary of the others.
Ofcourse carrying threats from different areas of the pitch means the opposition have to cover more bases. This is why it would be great if we had a threat on the right.
The problem with our strikers is they don't attack the 6 yard box enough. It's strange how Rashford and Martial want to play cf, yet go chasing the ball.
posted on 1/3/21
I think it’s partly tactical, lack of awareness and lack of trust in the teammates providing from certain areas. Even Cavani isn’t getting the ball in the positions he’s used to as he’s not getting the same service, and there aren’t enough men in the box to occupy other defenders. It’s also not a surprise players aren’t gambling on the ball coming in at the back post when it so often fails to.
It’s why Sancho would potentially make such a big difference to this team. We’d finally have a creative outlet from the right hand side, and a player that will arrive at the back post.
As much as I dislike our build up play under Ole, there’s clearly a massive personnel issue on the right that is hindering the team.
posted on 1/3/21
We probably won't get Sancho. We'll be pinning our hopes on Amad.
posted on 1/3/21
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 50 minutes ago
Fred shouldn’t be taking shots from distance, but it’s not something that’s a particular problem with this team doing so - we have players that are very good at shooting from distance.
It also opens up spaces for us in and around the box, teams are very wary of our threat from range and do rush out to stop them having the time and space to shoot from these areas, so even when we don’t shoot it’s helping us that teams think we will - other teams without that same threat will see the opposition happy enough to keep their shape and let them pass it around, I think this is an issue for Chelsea and Arsenal.
We get a lot of free kicks in dangerous areas off it as well, and I think it’s one of thr reasons we get so many pens. Lots of our pens are just inside the box as we’re very dangerous from there, we don’t score enough goals from the space between the penalty spot and the goal line.
The latter is where we really need to improve. If we get that right we’d be such an unbelievably hard team to defend against as our goals scoring threat from around 18 yards is probably the best in the league.
Liverpool probably our biggest rivals here. And this is what made them so good, they’ve had the good balance between tap ins and goals from further out. City are the only team that can consistently carve teams open and score from close range.
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Great post.
Our biggest problem in terms of goalscoring is in and around the six yard box: forwards getting across their CBs near post, winning headers from crosses in open play and from corners, and bullying the ball in when it gets scrappy. We just don’t score enough of those predatory, poaching, apex-nine type goals.
I’d add that City are also, of course, a threat from 18 to 22 yards, with Bernardo, Gundogan and the wingers a threat from deeper. Part of the reason why they’re so facking difficult to defend against. They score all kinds of goals.
posted on 1/3/21
You may be right, but I think that would be a mistake.
rosso, yeah it’s most definitely an issue. And why we need a striker. But it’s still not as big an issue as the chance creation from out wide, in my opinion. It’s improving on the left with Shaw and Rashford improving their final ball, but the right is still a black hole.
City do have that threat, but I don’t think they are as dangerous as us and Liverpool. Though they rely on it less as they’re better at creating easy chances in the penalty box. And that’s even without a recognised cf to put them away.
When they sign Haaland we really are all facked whilst Pep’s still here.
posted on 1/3/21
I think it goes without saying as well that we need to improve when it comes to getting the ball to those players in more dangerous areas to make it easier for them to supply those types of short range chances that we don't score enough of.
City are and have been probably the best side in Europe for so many years now at creating chances from close range, especially from low crosses across the face of goal. It's sort of become their trademark move.
That inward diagonal run their wide players make is so facking hard to deal with.
posted on 1/3/21
Pep’s teams have been the best in Europe at that ever since 2008. The bloke is just unbelievable.
posted on 1/3/21
posted on 1/3/21
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
I think it goes without saying as well that we need to improve when it comes to getting the ball to those players in more dangerous areas to make it easier for them to supply those types of short range chances that we don't score enough of.
City are and have been probably the best side in Europe for so many years now at creating chances from close range, especially from low crosses across the face of goal. It's sort of become their trademark move.
That inward diagonal run their wide players make is so facking hard to deal with.
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I’d say our movement in the box is actually a bigger problem than the service from wide areas. Both need serious work though.
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