The levels system is at least based on science. Like the fact that ordering a meal with your pint scares covid away. Who are we to question this? Are any of us scientists?
sorry
SA variant had 44 cases in Mid January, 6 weeks later the figure is 193
This 'science' that people bandy about like it can't be challenged - what you really mean is modelling based on certain input criteria and modelling assumptions almost all of which can be whatever the fck you want the answer to be and as far as I can see have zero balance with economic modelling?
Last March and periodically through the last year people have commented on how much a life is worth to society. Government have these calculations but for some reason have thrown them out the window?
Whether, the answer is £1m, £6m, 1% on tax, 5% on VAT or whatever it is a conversation that ought to be being had with the electorate.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
This 'science' that people bandy about like it can't be challenged - what you really mean is modelling based on certain input criteria and modelling assumptions almost all of which can be whatever the fck you want the answer to be and as far as I can see have zero balance with economic modelling?
Last March and periodically through the last year people have commented on how much a life is worth to society. Government have these calculations but for some reason have thrown them out the window?
Whether, the answer is £1m, £6m, 1% on tax, 5% on VAT or whatever it is a conversation that ought to be being had with the electorate.
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Fatal is £556,660 cost in lost output, £1,080,760 in human cost, £970 in medical/ambulance giving a total of £1,648,390 total cost per death.
These are for deaths in my field of economics. Probably outdated now though.
I done a almost useful comment
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A bit random but what ghod said earlier about Yemen and Saudi - been reading wee snippets of news from around the world and it’s feckin mental the stuff thats happening elsewhere - was reading about the border guards between India and China in a constant stand off - they’re not allowed to carry weapons in case it all kicks off but regularly clash and use stones and ‘nail-studded clubs’! etc there was a story a wee while back where around 30 were killed between both sides - mostly from being chucked aff the cliff ffs
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 58 minutes ago
The levels system is at least based on science. Like the fact that ordering a meal with your pint scares covid away. Who are we to question this? Are any of us scientists?
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Well I am a scientist and I can tell you labeling all the variants with where they were first discovered hides the truth that in fact this virus mutates regardless of international travel. Its what viruses do. And of course, it also knows when there are more than people in house especially if they happen to be footballers.
*insert number of people according to your postcode
The next JA night out is going to be epic
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
i find the argument week when people demand schools are shut though ginger, long term children are the class more likely to suffer from isolation.
a little example is the number of kids who won't have had interactions with grandparents, staying over, attachment issues.
the more "good" attachments a child has, the better, it allows them safe bases they can return to and it lets them explore the world knowing that base is there.
Right now many have 1, maybe 2 parents that they will become more "clingy" to as a result of the 24/7 attention.
I diverse, i just can't take it seriously when people use mental health as their reason but demand schools are shut.
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I think that's bollix
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which part?
that isolation is damaging for child development?
attachment theory?
backed up by thousands of studies mate.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
i find the argument week when people demand schools are shut though ginger, long term children are the class more likely to suffer from isolation.
a little example is the number of kids who won't have had interactions with grandparents, staying over, attachment issues.
the more "good" attachments a child has, the better, it allows them safe bases they can return to and it lets them explore the world knowing that base is there.
Right now many have 1, maybe 2 parents that they will become more "clingy" to as a result of the 24/7 attention.
I diverse, i just can't take it seriously when people use mental health as their reason but demand schools are shut.
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I think that's bollix
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which part?
that isolation is damaging for child development?
attachment theory?
backed up by thousands of studies mate.
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mate 70 year olds fought in world war 1 when they were 10 years old. Our generation of kids are being told to stay in and play pokemon to protect them, which they were all doing anyway. Kids these days need to grow up.
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
I don't support the SNP , but I think it's safe to say your arguments seem to stem from a hatred towards them rather than a more open minded outlook
Criticism of her would seem in the post no matter what choices she made . Of course I may be wrong but that's how your history reads
And the OP asks where does this leave crowds getting back to football ??
Yeah that must be such a priority in this current situation .
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Raising the issue of football crowds on a football forum.
Silly me.
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
i find the argument week when people demand schools are shut though ginger, long term children are the class more likely to suffer from isolation.
a little example is the number of kids who won't have had interactions with grandparents, staying over, attachment issues.
the more "good" attachments a child has, the better, it allows them safe bases they can return to and it lets them explore the world knowing that base is there.
Right now many have 1, maybe 2 parents that they will become more "clingy" to as a result of the 24/7 attention.
I diverse, i just can't take it seriously when people use mental health as their reason but demand schools are shut.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that's bollix
----------------------------------------------------------------------
which part?
that isolation is damaging for child development?
attachment theory?
backed up by thousands of studies mate.
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mate 70 year olds fought in world war 1 when they were 10 years old. Our generation of kids are being told to stay in and play pokemon to protect them, which they were all doing anyway. Kids these days need to grow up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pokémon go actually encourages players to go outside and walk.
Someone needs to stop Nippy/The SNP right now.
----------
Just want to remind the OP that the people who can stop the SNP are the electorate. Happily there's an election in two months.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 4 minutes ago
Someone needs to stop Nippy/The SNP right now.
----------
Just want to remind the OP that the people who can stop the SNP are the electorate. Happily there's an election in two months.
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I got a flyer through the door saying "We're not the SNP". That was their only policy.
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 4 minutes ago
Someone needs to stop Nippy/The SNP right now.
----------
Just want to remind the OP that the people who can stop the SNP are the electorate. Happily there's an election in two months.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I got a flyer through the door saying "We're not the SNP". That was their only policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I like when the Tories tell us that the SNP need to stop talking about independence, and they keep telling us this at every opportunity, even when nobody is talking about independence the Tories like to talk to us about it, to the detriment of every other policy they might have
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 4 minutes ago
Someone needs to stop Nippy/The SNP right now.
----------
Just want to remind the OP that the people who can stop the SNP are the electorate. Happily there's an election in two months.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I got a flyer through the door saying "We're not the SNP". That was their only policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I like when the Tories tell us that the SNP need to stop talking about independence, and they keep telling us this at every opportunity, even when nobody is talking about independence the Tories like to talk to us about it, to the detriment of every other policy they might have
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed.
Not like we’ve any other priorities right now.
And then thankfully they can have a daily political broadcast disguised as a virus update while ignoring practically everything thrown at them from two very public and so far damning enquiries.
Thankfully all the ducks are in a row and they can concentrate on winning an election they couldn’t lose if they tried.
Then use that as the platform for independence with zero detail while ignoring that maybe half the population don’t want it.
But half do
So what half should they listen to?
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 4 minutes ago
Someone needs to stop Nippy/The SNP right now.
----------
Just want to remind the OP that the people who can stop the SNP are the electorate. Happily there's an election in two months.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I got a flyer through the door saying "We're not the SNP". That was their only policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I like when the Tories tell us that the SNP need to stop talking about independence, and they keep telling us this at every opportunity, even when nobody is talking about independence the Tories like to talk to us about it, to the detriment of every other policy they might have
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed.
Not like we’ve any other priorities right now.
And then thankfully they can have a daily political broadcast disguised as a virus update while ignoring practically everything thrown at them from two very public and so far damning enquiries.
Thankfully all the ducks are in a row and they can concentrate on winning an election they couldn’t lose if they tried.
Then use that as the platform for independence with zero detail while ignoring that maybe half the population don’t want it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Breaking: Staunch Tory believes independence is now 50/50.
The well known Tory stated on ja606 that be believes that half of the country now wants independence. This is up from the 45% who voted for it in 2014. The Tories have traditionally supported the union, but this revelation shows the Tories are acknowledging a growing support for independence and are increasingly talking about another referendum. More to follow
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
comment by Call Sign: #adminout (U3627)
posted 17 minutes ago
But half do
So what half should they listen to?
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As a government it should of course be both, but you know that.
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This nonsense has to stop
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posted on 2/3/21
Right.
Offski
posted on 2/3/21
The levels system is at least based on science. Like the fact that ordering a meal with your pint scares covid away. Who are we to question this? Are any of us scientists?
posted on 2/3/21
sorry
SA variant had 44 cases in Mid January, 6 weeks later the figure is 193
posted on 2/3/21
good afternoon
posted on 2/3/21
This 'science' that people bandy about like it can't be challenged - what you really mean is modelling based on certain input criteria and modelling assumptions almost all of which can be whatever the fck you want the answer to be and as far as I can see have zero balance with economic modelling?
Last March and periodically through the last year people have commented on how much a life is worth to society. Government have these calculations but for some reason have thrown them out the window?
Whether, the answer is £1m, £6m, 1% on tax, 5% on VAT or whatever it is a conversation that ought to be being had with the electorate.
posted on 2/3/21
I hate Covid
posted on 2/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
This 'science' that people bandy about like it can't be challenged - what you really mean is modelling based on certain input criteria and modelling assumptions almost all of which can be whatever the fck you want the answer to be and as far as I can see have zero balance with economic modelling?
Last March and periodically through the last year people have commented on how much a life is worth to society. Government have these calculations but for some reason have thrown them out the window?
Whether, the answer is £1m, £6m, 1% on tax, 5% on VAT or whatever it is a conversation that ought to be being had with the electorate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fatal is £556,660 cost in lost output, £1,080,760 in human cost, £970 in medical/ambulance giving a total of £1,648,390 total cost per death.
These are for deaths in my field of economics. Probably outdated now though.
I done a almost useful comment
posted on 2/3/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 2/3/21
A bit random but what ghod said earlier about Yemen and Saudi - been reading wee snippets of news from around the world and it’s feckin mental the stuff thats happening elsewhere - was reading about the border guards between India and China in a constant stand off - they’re not allowed to carry weapons in case it all kicks off but regularly clash and use stones and ‘nail-studded clubs’! etc there was a story a wee while back where around 30 were killed between both sides - mostly from being chucked aff the cliff ffs
posted on 2/3/21
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 58 minutes ago
The levels system is at least based on science. Like the fact that ordering a meal with your pint scares covid away. Who are we to question this? Are any of us scientists?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well I am a scientist and I can tell you labeling all the variants with where they were first discovered hides the truth that in fact this virus mutates regardless of international travel. Its what viruses do. And of course, it also knows when there are more than people in house especially if they happen to be footballers.
posted on 2/3/21
*insert number of people according to your postcode
posted on 2/3/21
The next JA night out is going to be epic
posted on 2/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
i find the argument week when people demand schools are shut though ginger, long term children are the class more likely to suffer from isolation.
a little example is the number of kids who won't have had interactions with grandparents, staying over, attachment issues.
the more "good" attachments a child has, the better, it allows them safe bases they can return to and it lets them explore the world knowing that base is there.
Right now many have 1, maybe 2 parents that they will become more "clingy" to as a result of the 24/7 attention.
I diverse, i just can't take it seriously when people use mental health as their reason but demand schools are shut.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that's bollix
----------------------------------------------------------------------
which part?
that isolation is damaging for child development?
attachment theory?
backed up by thousands of studies mate.
posted on 2/3/21
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
i find the argument week when people demand schools are shut though ginger, long term children are the class more likely to suffer from isolation.
a little example is the number of kids who won't have had interactions with grandparents, staying over, attachment issues.
the more "good" attachments a child has, the better, it allows them safe bases they can return to and it lets them explore the world knowing that base is there.
Right now many have 1, maybe 2 parents that they will become more "clingy" to as a result of the 24/7 attention.
I diverse, i just can't take it seriously when people use mental health as their reason but demand schools are shut.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that's bollix
----------------------------------------------------------------------
which part?
that isolation is damaging for child development?
attachment theory?
backed up by thousands of studies mate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
mate 70 year olds fought in world war 1 when they were 10 years old. Our generation of kids are being told to stay in and play pokemon to protect them, which they were all doing anyway. Kids these days need to grow up.
posted on 2/3/21
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
I don't support the SNP , but I think it's safe to say your arguments seem to stem from a hatred towards them rather than a more open minded outlook
Criticism of her would seem in the post no matter what choices she made . Of course I may be wrong but that's how your history reads
And the OP asks where does this leave crowds getting back to football ??
Yeah that must be such a priority in this current situation .
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Raising the issue of football crowds on a football forum.
Silly me.
posted on 2/3/21
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
i find the argument week when people demand schools are shut though ginger, long term children are the class more likely to suffer from isolation.
a little example is the number of kids who won't have had interactions with grandparents, staying over, attachment issues.
the more "good" attachments a child has, the better, it allows them safe bases they can return to and it lets them explore the world knowing that base is there.
Right now many have 1, maybe 2 parents that they will become more "clingy" to as a result of the 24/7 attention.
I diverse, i just can't take it seriously when people use mental health as their reason but demand schools are shut.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that's bollix
----------------------------------------------------------------------
which part?
that isolation is damaging for child development?
attachment theory?
backed up by thousands of studies mate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
mate 70 year olds fought in world war 1 when they were 10 years old. Our generation of kids are being told to stay in and play pokemon to protect them, which they were all doing anyway. Kids these days need to grow up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pokémon go actually encourages players to go outside and walk.
posted on 2/3/21
Someone needs to stop Nippy/The SNP right now.
----------
Just want to remind the OP that the people who can stop the SNP are the electorate. Happily there's an election in two months.
posted on 2/3/21
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 4 minutes ago
Someone needs to stop Nippy/The SNP right now.
----------
Just want to remind the OP that the people who can stop the SNP are the electorate. Happily there's an election in two months.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I got a flyer through the door saying "We're not the SNP". That was their only policy.
posted on 2/3/21
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 4 minutes ago
Someone needs to stop Nippy/The SNP right now.
----------
Just want to remind the OP that the people who can stop the SNP are the electorate. Happily there's an election in two months.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I got a flyer through the door saying "We're not the SNP". That was their only policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I like when the Tories tell us that the SNP need to stop talking about independence, and they keep telling us this at every opportunity, even when nobody is talking about independence the Tories like to talk to us about it, to the detriment of every other policy they might have
posted on 2/3/21
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 4 minutes ago
Someone needs to stop Nippy/The SNP right now.
----------
Just want to remind the OP that the people who can stop the SNP are the electorate. Happily there's an election in two months.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I got a flyer through the door saying "We're not the SNP". That was their only policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I like when the Tories tell us that the SNP need to stop talking about independence, and they keep telling us this at every opportunity, even when nobody is talking about independence the Tories like to talk to us about it, to the detriment of every other policy they might have
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed.
Not like we’ve any other priorities right now.
And then thankfully they can have a daily political broadcast disguised as a virus update while ignoring practically everything thrown at them from two very public and so far damning enquiries.
Thankfully all the ducks are in a row and they can concentrate on winning an election they couldn’t lose if they tried.
Then use that as the platform for independence with zero detail while ignoring that maybe half the population don’t want it.
posted on 2/3/21
But half do
So what half should they listen to?
posted on 2/3/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 4 minutes ago
Someone needs to stop Nippy/The SNP right now.
----------
Just want to remind the OP that the people who can stop the SNP are the electorate. Happily there's an election in two months.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I got a flyer through the door saying "We're not the SNP". That was their only policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I like when the Tories tell us that the SNP need to stop talking about independence, and they keep telling us this at every opportunity, even when nobody is talking about independence the Tories like to talk to us about it, to the detriment of every other policy they might have
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed.
Not like we’ve any other priorities right now.
And then thankfully they can have a daily political broadcast disguised as a virus update while ignoring practically everything thrown at them from two very public and so far damning enquiries.
Thankfully all the ducks are in a row and they can concentrate on winning an election they couldn’t lose if they tried.
Then use that as the platform for independence with zero detail while ignoring that maybe half the population don’t want it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Breaking: Staunch Tory believes independence is now 50/50.
The well known Tory stated on ja606 that be believes that half of the country now wants independence. This is up from the 45% who voted for it in 2014. The Tories have traditionally supported the union, but this revelation shows the Tories are acknowledging a growing support for independence and are increasingly talking about another referendum. More to follow
posted on 2/3/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 2/3/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 2/3/21
comment by Call Sign: #adminout (U3627)
posted 17 minutes ago
But half do
So what half should they listen to?
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As a government it should of course be both, but you know that.
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