comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 hours, 4 minutes ago
Because someone saw our potential and invested in the club.
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Invested?
City are more of a toy than an investment.
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A sensible thread until a Liverpool fan joins in.
The lack of fans at Anfield is causing them problems
I fail to see why investment in City, or Chelsea is any different to Arsenal mysteriously appearing in the old First Division, the Liverpool funding in the 80's or United floating (or ahem selling green meat). The numbers involved are obviously far greater now but football clubs have always sought investment.
I used to sometimes play golf with John Madjeski who at the time was funding Reading, his view was that unless a club got right to the top where the prize money and sponsorship was eye watering, the only way to finish with a million as a Chairman was to start with 10 million. He was aware that he couldn't give the investment to get them right to the top but that others perhaps could, with Reading or other clubs. City got lucky by having the right investor but let us not pretend that the principle is any different to that followed by others before them.
It wasn't an investment, they bought you, and sank enough hundreds of millions into the club until you became successful. As did Abramovitch at Chelsea.
It's not illegal, so I don't know why you just say so.
However it does stop a club like, say, Nottingham Forest from ever competing with you again.
Have the owners started taking money out of their investment like the Glazers?
It's not a pretence to say it's any different to what has happened before. Nearly every club was part funded by a local business man who loved the club, even Jack Walker at Blackburn.
It's a pretence to say otherwise
Yes, City have been run at a profit for the last 5 years.
It’s no secret that the owners will make serious money out of the land surrounding the Etihad, the new arena is under construction as we speak
Do your owners come to every home game like Jack did, or thr man at Middlesbrough whose name I forget.
Even Abramovitch does
Well thats a different argument entirely and a rather xenophobic one.
City got bought and got good and the old guard don't like it so sign letters to try and change it by a knife in the back (weren't up in arms when Wolves were found guilty though). Jealousy. United make so much money and with FFp could invest the most due to their revenues. They are just poorly run as a club now and seeks excuses for their own failures.
Khaldoon Mubarak, our CEO is a match at regular.
He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the advancement of the club over the last decade
comment by gone but never forgotten (U21659)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 hours, 4 minutes ago
Because someone saw our potential and invested in the club.
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Invested?
City are more of a toy than an investment.
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A sensible thread until a Liverpool fan joins in.
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There's nothing wrong with my comment. I stand by what I said as fact, thanks.
I don't know who.'they' but most United fans on here certainly do claim that our club is poorly run.
I don't think jealousy comes into it. We've spent plenty on the team but poorly.
But it's not a level playing field. You used to compete with, Forest et al. But we're bought by one of the richest men in the world, so as a sporting contest it is unfair on the likes of Forest, though not is
Yep, they are still moaning.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
Khaldoon Mubarak, our CEO is a match at regular.
He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the advancement of the club over the last decade
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Is he the one with the money?
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Yep, they are still moaning.
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Yes you are still evading
No one has evaded anything on this thread. That's just you grasping at the last threads of your torn down argument.
Has money made the game worse? Arguably yes. Did City start this? No.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
Khaldoon Mubarak, our CEO is a match at regular.
He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the advancement of the club over the last decade
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That's because throwing oil money at stuff isn't really an impressive achievement or anything to write home about in the eyes of many people.
It's the way of the world. People respect and give credit to people who toil, sweat and work for what they get.
For example, if you are born with nothing but die a billionaire having never stolen from anyone or taken any handouts, then people will respect that and give credit where it's due.
If you were born into riches or are rich because of a
-Welcome handout from human rights abusing state patriarchies
-Illegality like cheating FFP and/or
-Unhealthy competitive practices like making an annual loss for over 10 years and paying the players more money than the entire club can generate in revenue for 3 years in a row then nobody really respects that and people are like "meh, given on a silver platter means little to nothing".
If you consider the psyche of an average human being, then expecting City to get credit like other teams do is an unreasonable expectation.
Leicesters title win was a more commendable achievement than anything City have won in my honest opinion. That's what footballs about. Not just pumping in more money than four-fifths of the league put together and then expecting credit for that.
In my opinion anyway.
But Leicester were bought buy a billionaire who spent lots on players?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Yep, they are still moaning.
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Yes you are still evading
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Evading?
There’s nothing in your posts that hasn’t been said before and that hasn’t been debated before. Right back to 2008 - 12 years ago. I’ve had plenty of debates on this topic. And still, the same old tired comments from whinging fans of other clubs rear their ugly head.
It’s just boring now, and has been for quite some time.
comment by Plastic Manc (U9526)
posted 8 minutes ago
No one has evaded anything on this thread. That's just you grasping at the last threads of your torn down argument.
Has money made the game worse? Arguably yes. Did City start this? No.
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No argument has been torn down, and nobody said you started it. Kloppinson nailed it.
, But I do agree it's boring, and it's time to stop.
I think what annoys opposition fans is that, in general City fans never acknowledge that they had luck, and that is the reason for their standing in the game.
Oh, and I do think you are an admirably run club
Opposition fans have simply run out of superlatives, to describe Citys achievements , thats all
The irony is that these lot are tapping out this stuff almost certainly on Chinese made products - y'know that country with its impeccable human rights issues, its honest intellectual property rights conduct, eco-conscious island building in the China sea, and so on. Hypocrisy - don't ya just love it.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
Khaldoon Mubarak, our CEO is a match at regular.
He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the advancement of the club over the last decade
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Is he the one with the money?
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He's in control of the purse strings.
He has an MBA from Harvard and is obviously a very astute businessman.
He's no Ed Woodward but at least he sends the fans a video message at the end of every season telling us about what we've achieved and what we hope to achieve in the future.
Writing City off as a 'rich mans' toy' is ill informed and lazy in the extreme.
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posted on 5/3/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 hours, 4 minutes ago
Because someone saw our potential and invested in the club.
-----
Invested?
City are more of a toy than an investment.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
A sensible thread until a Liverpool fan joins in.
posted on 5/3/21
The lack of fans at Anfield is causing them problems
posted on 5/3/21
I fail to see why investment in City, or Chelsea is any different to Arsenal mysteriously appearing in the old First Division, the Liverpool funding in the 80's or United floating (or ahem selling green meat). The numbers involved are obviously far greater now but football clubs have always sought investment.
I used to sometimes play golf with John Madjeski who at the time was funding Reading, his view was that unless a club got right to the top where the prize money and sponsorship was eye watering, the only way to finish with a million as a Chairman was to start with 10 million. He was aware that he couldn't give the investment to get them right to the top but that others perhaps could, with Reading or other clubs. City got lucky by having the right investor but let us not pretend that the principle is any different to that followed by others before them.
posted on 5/3/21
It wasn't an investment, they bought you, and sank enough hundreds of millions into the club until you became successful. As did Abramovitch at Chelsea.
It's not illegal, so I don't know why you just say so.
However it does stop a club like, say, Nottingham Forest from ever competing with you again.
Have the owners started taking money out of their investment like the Glazers?
posted on 5/3/21
It's not a pretence to say it's any different to what has happened before. Nearly every club was part funded by a local business man who loved the club, even Jack Walker at Blackburn.
It's a pretence to say otherwise
posted on 5/3/21
Yes, City have been run at a profit for the last 5 years.
It’s no secret that the owners will make serious money out of the land surrounding the Etihad, the new arena is under construction as we speak
posted on 5/3/21
Do your owners come to every home game like Jack did, or thr man at Middlesbrough whose name I forget.
Even Abramovitch does
posted on 5/3/21
Well thats a different argument entirely and a rather xenophobic one.
City got bought and got good and the old guard don't like it so sign letters to try and change it by a knife in the back (weren't up in arms when Wolves were found guilty though). Jealousy. United make so much money and with FFp could invest the most due to their revenues. They are just poorly run as a club now and seeks excuses for their own failures.
posted on 5/3/21
Khaldoon Mubarak, our CEO is a match at regular.
He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the advancement of the club over the last decade
posted on 5/3/21
comment by gone but never forgotten (U21659)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 hours, 4 minutes ago
Because someone saw our potential and invested in the club.
-----
Invested?
City are more of a toy than an investment.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
A sensible thread until a Liverpool fan joins in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's nothing wrong with my comment. I stand by what I said as fact, thanks.
posted on 5/3/21
I don't know who.'they' but most United fans on here certainly do claim that our club is poorly run.
I don't think jealousy comes into it. We've spent plenty on the team but poorly.
But it's not a level playing field. You used to compete with, Forest et al. But we're bought by one of the richest men in the world, so as a sporting contest it is unfair on the likes of Forest, though not is
posted on 5/3/21
Yep, they are still moaning.
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
Khaldoon Mubarak, our CEO is a match at regular.
He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the advancement of the club over the last decade
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is he the one with the money?
posted on 5/3/21
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Yep, they are still moaning.
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Yes you are still evading
posted on 5/3/21
No one has evaded anything on this thread. That's just you grasping at the last threads of your torn down argument.
Has money made the game worse? Arguably yes. Did City start this? No.
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
Khaldoon Mubarak, our CEO is a match at regular.
He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the advancement of the club over the last decade
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's because throwing oil money at stuff isn't really an impressive achievement or anything to write home about in the eyes of many people.
It's the way of the world. People respect and give credit to people who toil, sweat and work for what they get.
For example, if you are born with nothing but die a billionaire having never stolen from anyone or taken any handouts, then people will respect that and give credit where it's due.
If you were born into riches or are rich because of a
-Welcome handout from human rights abusing state patriarchies
-Illegality like cheating FFP and/or
-Unhealthy competitive practices like making an annual loss for over 10 years and paying the players more money than the entire club can generate in revenue for 3 years in a row then nobody really respects that and people are like "meh, given on a silver platter means little to nothing".
If you consider the psyche of an average human being, then expecting City to get credit like other teams do is an unreasonable expectation.
Leicesters title win was a more commendable achievement than anything City have won in my honest opinion. That's what footballs about. Not just pumping in more money than four-fifths of the league put together and then expecting credit for that.
In my opinion anyway.
posted on 5/3/21
But Leicester were bought buy a billionaire who spent lots on players?
posted on 5/3/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Yep, they are still moaning.
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Yes you are still evading
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Evading?
There’s nothing in your posts that hasn’t been said before and that hasn’t been debated before. Right back to 2008 - 12 years ago. I’ve had plenty of debates on this topic. And still, the same old tired comments from whinging fans of other clubs rear their ugly head.
It’s just boring now, and has been for quite some time.
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Plastic Manc (U9526)
posted 8 minutes ago
No one has evaded anything on this thread. That's just you grasping at the last threads of your torn down argument.
Has money made the game worse? Arguably yes. Did City start this? No.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No argument has been torn down, and nobody said you started it. Kloppinson nailed it.
posted on 5/3/21
, But I do agree it's boring, and it's time to stop.
I think what annoys opposition fans is that, in general City fans never acknowledge that they had luck, and that is the reason for their standing in the game.
posted on 5/3/21
Oh, and I do think you are an admirably run club
posted on 5/3/21
Opposition fans have simply run out of superlatives, to describe Citys achievements , thats all
posted on 5/3/21
The irony is that these lot are tapping out this stuff almost certainly on Chinese made products - y'know that country with its impeccable human rights issues, its honest intellectual property rights conduct, eco-conscious island building in the China sea, and so on. Hypocrisy - don't ya just love it.
posted on 5/3/21
That's a feeble point.
posted on 5/3/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
Khaldoon Mubarak, our CEO is a match at regular.
He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the advancement of the club over the last decade
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is he the one with the money?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's in control of the purse strings.
He has an MBA from Harvard and is obviously a very astute businessman.
He's no Ed Woodward but at least he sends the fans a video message at the end of every season telling us about what we've achieved and what we hope to achieve in the future.
Writing City off as a 'rich mans' toy' is ill informed and lazy in the extreme.
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