comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
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comment by The Duke (U10059)
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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I think the added factor of risking your life to look after infected patients makes the job all that harder, plus many hours worked unpaid apparently.
The Tories should have given them 3% and they would've probably accepted that. They deserve 10% tho.
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Depends
All hours are paid
A bit of shift hand over can run on but that’s about it
Its the mix of duties
Some is a 26k job
Others like say administering cancer treatment is certainly worth a lot more
comment by The Duke (U10059)
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
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comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
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It’s vocational
12 hour shift takes it out of you I’m sure
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
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comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
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comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
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comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 11 minutes ago
Good news will be when nhs Scotland do something more
12.5% is being requested
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Difficult to do when the pay rises come out of the pash poor pot we're 'given' by Westminster to pay for everything.
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Get more per capita than England who generate 90% of the wealth. Pipe down FFS you entitled waaaaanker.
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Yours is exactly the attitude we will get rid of when Scotland gets Independence.
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Honestly, will happily support an independent Scotland, a move out of the Union.
Subs and ships moved to England, Scotland dont want that potential problem. Then Scotland can adopt the Euro and apply for entry to EU.
Everyone wins.
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..Except England, who lose Oil, Gas, Water, Wind, Whisky, Seafood and fishing territories.
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Fishing 😂. Tiiest industry that nobody cares about
Scotland have this bizarre belief they leave on their own terms...
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What like.. Scotland getting to keep all of their own natural resources..? Crazy talk eh?
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What natural resources? You mean fossil fuels? As the planet tries to go greener?
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comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
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It’s vocational
12 hour shift takes it out of you I’m sure
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Maybe the nursing unions could hand the £35m fund they’ve set by for any strike action to the lowest paid nursing staff instead?
Just a thought.
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comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
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It’s vocational
12 hour shift takes it out of you I’m sure
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Maybe the nursing unions could hand the £35m fund they’ve set by for any strike action to the lowest paid nursing staff instead?
Just a thought.
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NHS staff should not be forced to rely on charity or donations.
The very fact such a fund is required is a damning indictment of the government. Suggesting removing a safety net for NHS staff fighting for fair pay in the face of the government's dereliction of duty probably highlights why the fund is needed
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 11 minutes ago
Good news will be when nhs Scotland do something more
12.5% is being requested
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Difficult to do when the pay rises come out of the pash poor pot we're 'given' by Westminster to pay for everything.
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Get more per capita than England who generate 90% of the wealth. Pipe down FFS you entitled waaaaanker.
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Yours is exactly the attitude we will get rid of when Scotland gets Independence.
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Honestly, will happily support an independent Scotland, a move out of the Union.
Subs and ships moved to England, Scotland dont want that potential problem. Then Scotland can adopt the Euro and apply for entry to EU.
Everyone wins.
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..Except England, who lose Oil, Gas, Water, Wind, Whisky, Seafood and fishing territories.
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Fishing 😂. Tiiest industry that nobody cares about
Scotland have this bizarre belief they leave on their own terms...
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What like.. Scotland getting to keep all of their own natural resources..? Crazy talk eh?
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What natural resources? You mean fossil fuels? As the planet tries to go greener?
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Lots of stuff is made from Oil, not just fuel.
Scotland's electricity is 90% from renewable sources, and that is increasing each year. Once independent we'll be selling our surplus.
Noticed this week that one bottle of Scots whisky cost £120 in Denmark and is branded 'English whisky'
I'm on the Aberfeldy 12 yo just now
Some like 12hr shifts, some don't. Sometimes fits with family or not. Doing extra qualifications to achieve advancement is the same in most jobs, right?
Yeah but the last 2 weeks have been horrendous for power in the UK. Importing lots of nuclear from France cos there's been fook all wind.
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
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It’s vocational
12 hour shift takes it out of you I’m sure
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Maybe the nursing unions could hand the £35m fund they’ve set by for any strike action to the lowest paid nursing staff instead?
Just a thought.
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NHS staff should not be forced to rely on charity or donations.
The very fact such a fund is required is a damning indictment of the government. Suggesting removing a safety net for NHS staff fighting for fair pay in the face of the government's dereliction of duty probably highlights why the fund is needed
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Hmmmm. I think you know I was being facetious. Hopefully you do.
That aside where exactly is this money coming from? More borrowings? Has anyone seen the size of our deficit and what it’s going to take just to get us back on a level playing field?
It’s nuts to start throwing more money at the public sector as the private sector disappears down the pan with millions likely to lose their jobs. Carry on with that attitude and we won’t be able to afford an NHS.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 minutes ago
Some like 12hr shifts, some don't. Sometimes fits with family or not. Doing extra qualifications to achieve advancement is the same in most jobs, right?
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Erm yes?
Everyone has the right to strike but asking to be paid during it is a bit much, no? That's what the £35m is for I think?
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comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
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comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s vocational
12 hour shift takes it out of you I’m sure
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Maybe the nursing unions could hand the £35m fund they’ve set by for any strike action to the lowest paid nursing staff instead?
Just a thought.
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NHS staff should not be forced to rely on charity or donations.
The very fact such a fund is required is a damning indictment of the government. Suggesting removing a safety net for NHS staff fighting for fair pay in the face of the government's dereliction of duty probably highlights why the fund is needed
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Hmmmm. I think you know I was being facetious. Hopefully you do.
That aside where exactly is this money coming from? More borrowings? Has anyone seen the size of our deficit and what it’s going to take just to get us back on a level playing field?
It’s nuts to start throwing more money at the public sector as the private sector disappears down the pan with millions likely to lose their jobs. Carry on with that attitude and we won’t be able to afford an NHS.
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Bitpound
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 26 minutes ago
Some like 12hr shifts, some don't. Sometimes fits with family or not. Doing extra qualifications to achieve advancement is the same in most jobs, right?
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Have not met many that enjoy 12 hr shifts or any actually
Yes extra training for advancement is the same wherever in most cases
We should just nuke Westminster
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 8 minutes ago
We should just nuke Westminster
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Preferably a day that Klopp prriick is visiting.
On the OP itself, taking everything into account, I think the 1% is pretty paltry. I get that it’s (marginally) above the current rate of inflation, but we’ve already got the warning signs that inflation is more than likely going to increase fairly dramatically over the coming months.
It’s been a difficult year for everyone, but nurses have literally been on the frontline for the past 12 months. They’ve had to step in and take the place for loved ones that weren’t allowed in to support family members at the end of their lives.
The nurses union demanding 12.5% aren’t helping either-there has to be an understanding that there isn’t a bottomless pit and that there’s a lot of people who’ve lost their jobs in the last year.
The starting offer was paltry, and the counter offer is greed.
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comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 8 minutes ago
We should just nuke Westminster
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Preferably a day that Klopp prriick is visiting.
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He' s just a tormented soul, projecting his hurt ontonthe world, we should hug him.
I doubt supermarket staff, bus drivers etc will get even 1%. The average wage of a nurse is what 34k, so think that’s around wage for the country. And given where the country is, it’ll be more than most get.
A lot is made up nurses risking their lives, however that risk is very low. No doubt they’ve had a tough year, but it’s workers in the hospitality and retail industries that have suffered most, and will need the money from government.
Made of even, not made up. As clearly there is a risk.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 7 minutes ago
I doubt supermarket staff, bus drivers etc will get even 1%. The average wage of a nurse is what 34k, so think that’s around wage for the country. And given where the country is, it’ll be more than most get.
A lot is made up nurses risking their lives, however that risk is very low. No doubt they’ve had a tough year, but it’s workers in the hospitality and retail industries that have suffered most, and will need the money from government.
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And this is how the Tories win. When people say I'm not getting it so why should they.
If you think being a supermarket worker or bus driver (absolutely tough jobs in the pandemic) are even close to as tough as being a nurse and that UK average is fine then say goodbye to the NHS as it won't be there for long with no nurses
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 7 minutes ago
I doubt supermarket staff, bus drivers etc will get even 1%. The average wage of a nurse is what 34k, so think that’s around wage for the country. And given where the country is, it’ll be more than most get.
A lot is made up nurses risking their lives, however that risk is very low. No doubt they’ve had a tough year, but it’s workers in the hospitality and retail industries that have suffered most, and will need the money from government.
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And this is how the Tories win. When people say I'm not getting it so why should they.
If you think being a supermarket worker or bus driver (absolutely tough jobs in the pandemic) are even close to as tough as being a nurse and that UK average is fine then say goodbye to the NHS as it won't be there for long with no nurses
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No one said they are close to being as tough. Nurses are already paid a good bit more than your average supermarket worker. The UK is more than a lot of people can dream of.
And this is how the SNP win, by giving free prescriptions and university tuition to all. Rather than helping those who need it most.
All politicians are the same.
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comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 7 minutes ago
I doubt supermarket staff, bus drivers etc will get even 1%. The average wage of a nurse is what 34k, so think that’s around wage for the country. And given where the country is, it’ll be more than most get.
A lot is made up nurses risking their lives, however that risk is very low. No doubt they’ve had a tough year, but it’s workers in the hospitality and retail industries that have suffered most, and will need the money from government.
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And this is how the Tories win. When people say I'm not getting it so why should they.
If you think being a supermarket worker or bus driver (absolutely tough jobs in the pandemic) are even close to as tough as being a nurse and that UK average is fine then say goodbye to the NHS as it won't be there for long with no nurses
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No one said they are close to being as tough. Nurses are already paid a good bit more than your average supermarket worker. The UK is more than a lot of people can dream of.
And this is how the SNP win, by giving free prescriptions and university tuition to all. Rather than helping those who need it most.
All politicians are the same.
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I'm quite happy with free prescription and university tuition. Strange things to be unhappy about.
I think my point is a profession that deals with illness, injury, terminal conditions and death regularly deserves to be paid significantly more than UK average.
If you think supermarket workers don't get paid enough then go to different shops. Last I checked government doesn't set their wages.
There are supermarkets and shops that pay the real living wage rather than the government's version.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with campaigning for better pay in supermarkets, indeed it's a cause I would support. Not at the expense of nurses though and it certainly doesn't have to be.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 7 minutes ago
I doubt supermarket staff, bus drivers etc will get even 1%. The average wage of a nurse is what 34k, so think that’s around wage for the country. And given where the country is, it’ll be more than most get.
A lot is made up nurses risking their lives, however that risk is very low. No doubt they’ve had a tough year, but it’s workers in the hospitality and retail industries that have suffered most, and will need the money from government.
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And this is how the Tories win. When people say I'm not getting it so why should they.
If you think being a supermarket worker or bus driver (absolutely tough jobs in the pandemic) are even close to as tough as being a nurse and that UK average is fine then say goodbye to the NHS as it won't be there for long with no nurses
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No one said they are close to being as tough. Nurses are already paid a good bit more than your average supermarket worker. The UK is more than a lot of people can dream of.
And this is how the SNP win, by giving free prescriptions and university tuition to all. Rather than helping those who need it most.
All politicians are the same.
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I'm quite happy with free prescription and university tuition. Strange things to be unhappy about.
I think my point is a profession that deals with illness, injury, terminal conditions and death regularly deserves to be paid significantly more than UK average.
If you think supermarket workers don't get paid enough then go to different shops. Last I checked government doesn't set their wages.
There are supermarkets and shops that pay the real living wage rather than the government's version.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with campaigning for better pay in supermarkets, indeed it's a cause I would support. Not at the expense of nurses though and it certainly doesn't have to be.
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I’m not unhappy about it, but I’d prefer a more equal society. Most university graduates could afford to pay fees back even if not that exorbitant fees they charge in England. Would rather pay more tax myself if it means there’s less people on the streets or using food banks.
I think it would be great if everyone got a pay rise - that’s not realistic. What is, Is those that can afford to giving back a little more.
Interesting views, I do expect that those who choose to become nurses do so voluntarily. They could choose hospitality or self employment which often means a 12 hour day is considered a half day. Personally I'm delighted that they are getting a pay rise at all given the economic abyss that the country is staring into. But yeah, independence will sort all of that
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posted on 5/3/21
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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I think the added factor of risking your life to look after infected patients makes the job all that harder, plus many hours worked unpaid apparently.
The Tories should have given them 3% and they would've probably accepted that. They deserve 10% tho.
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Depends
All hours are paid
A bit of shift hand over can run on but that’s about it
Its the mix of duties
Some is a 26k job
Others like say administering cancer treatment is certainly worth a lot more
posted on 5/3/21
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
posted on 5/3/21
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s vocational
12 hour shift takes it out of you I’m sure
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
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comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 11 minutes ago
Good news will be when nhs Scotland do something more
12.5% is being requested
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Difficult to do when the pay rises come out of the pash poor pot we're 'given' by Westminster to pay for everything.
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Get more per capita than England who generate 90% of the wealth. Pipe down FFS you entitled waaaaanker.
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Yours is exactly the attitude we will get rid of when Scotland gets Independence.
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Honestly, will happily support an independent Scotland, a move out of the Union.
Subs and ships moved to England, Scotland dont want that potential problem. Then Scotland can adopt the Euro and apply for entry to EU.
Everyone wins.
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..Except England, who lose Oil, Gas, Water, Wind, Whisky, Seafood and fishing territories.
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Fishing 😂. Tiiest industry that nobody cares about
Scotland have this bizarre belief they leave on their own terms...
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What like.. Scotland getting to keep all of their own natural resources..? Crazy talk eh?
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What natural resources? You mean fossil fuels? As the planet tries to go greener?
posted on 5/3/21
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
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It’s vocational
12 hour shift takes it out of you I’m sure
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Maybe the nursing unions could hand the £35m fund they’ve set by for any strike action to the lowest paid nursing staff instead?
Just a thought.
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
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It’s vocational
12 hour shift takes it out of you I’m sure
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Maybe the nursing unions could hand the £35m fund they’ve set by for any strike action to the lowest paid nursing staff instead?
Just a thought.
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NHS staff should not be forced to rely on charity or donations.
The very fact such a fund is required is a damning indictment of the government. Suggesting removing a safety net for NHS staff fighting for fair pay in the face of the government's dereliction of duty probably highlights why the fund is needed
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 11 minutes ago
Good news will be when nhs Scotland do something more
12.5% is being requested
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Difficult to do when the pay rises come out of the pash poor pot we're 'given' by Westminster to pay for everything.
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Get more per capita than England who generate 90% of the wealth. Pipe down FFS you entitled waaaaanker.
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Yours is exactly the attitude we will get rid of when Scotland gets Independence.
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Honestly, will happily support an independent Scotland, a move out of the Union.
Subs and ships moved to England, Scotland dont want that potential problem. Then Scotland can adopt the Euro and apply for entry to EU.
Everyone wins.
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..Except England, who lose Oil, Gas, Water, Wind, Whisky, Seafood and fishing territories.
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Fishing 😂. Tiiest industry that nobody cares about
Scotland have this bizarre belief they leave on their own terms...
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What like.. Scotland getting to keep all of their own natural resources..? Crazy talk eh?
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What natural resources? You mean fossil fuels? As the planet tries to go greener?
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Lots of stuff is made from Oil, not just fuel.
Scotland's electricity is 90% from renewable sources, and that is increasing each year. Once independent we'll be selling our surplus.
Noticed this week that one bottle of Scots whisky cost £120 in Denmark and is branded 'English whisky'
I'm on the Aberfeldy 12 yo just now
posted on 5/3/21
Some like 12hr shifts, some don't. Sometimes fits with family or not. Doing extra qualifications to achieve advancement is the same in most jobs, right?
posted on 5/3/21
Yeah but the last 2 weeks have been horrendous for power in the UK. Importing lots of nuclear from France cos there's been fook all wind.
posted on 5/3/21
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
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A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
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To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s vocational
12 hour shift takes it out of you I’m sure
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe the nursing unions could hand the £35m fund they’ve set by for any strike action to the lowest paid nursing staff instead?
Just a thought.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NHS staff should not be forced to rely on charity or donations.
The very fact such a fund is required is a damning indictment of the government. Suggesting removing a safety net for NHS staff fighting for fair pay in the face of the government's dereliction of duty probably highlights why the fund is needed
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Hmmmm. I think you know I was being facetious. Hopefully you do.
That aside where exactly is this money coming from? More borrowings? Has anyone seen the size of our deficit and what it’s going to take just to get us back on a level playing field?
It’s nuts to start throwing more money at the public sector as the private sector disappears down the pan with millions likely to lose their jobs. Carry on with that attitude and we won’t be able to afford an NHS.
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 minutes ago
Some like 12hr shifts, some don't. Sometimes fits with family or not. Doing extra qualifications to achieve advancement is the same in most jobs, right?
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Erm yes?
posted on 5/3/21
Everyone has the right to strike but asking to be paid during it is a bit much, no? That's what the £35m is for I think?
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Apparently the average nurse wage is £34k? Not sure what I expected cos we tend to only hear about the student nurses lower pay. I’m also not sure what qualifications are required nor how hard it is to advance but there’s a lot of them - 670k apparently?
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You need a degree and starting pay for a staff nurse is around 26k
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Huh - hadn't realised that UK median salary was up over £30k now - decent. At least these people are doing something worthwhile with their degree with pretty much guaranteed employment which I am sure is part of the attraction for some. Not sure there's much advancement possible by the sounds of things, however?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A variety of graded advancement and category enhanced pay
Shifts
If you have the drive I guess like in most professions you will get on
But getting over say 35k is a big ask
Problem is with a lot of nursing is it’s now more care than medical
Lack of auxiliary level means we have degree qualification kids giving bed baths
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To get to that 35k you generally have to go into a specialist role which is generally after some years and usually involves further study.
Example occupational health. Senior occupational health nurse probably starts at 50k but you are talking years of experience, then years of study then more clinical experience.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s vocational
12 hour shift takes it out of you I’m sure
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe the nursing unions could hand the £35m fund they’ve set by for any strike action to the lowest paid nursing staff instead?
Just a thought.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NHS staff should not be forced to rely on charity or donations.
The very fact such a fund is required is a damning indictment of the government. Suggesting removing a safety net for NHS staff fighting for fair pay in the face of the government's dereliction of duty probably highlights why the fund is needed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmmmm. I think you know I was being facetious. Hopefully you do.
That aside where exactly is this money coming from? More borrowings? Has anyone seen the size of our deficit and what it’s going to take just to get us back on a level playing field?
It’s nuts to start throwing more money at the public sector as the private sector disappears down the pan with millions likely to lose their jobs. Carry on with that attitude and we won’t be able to afford an NHS.
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Bitpound
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 26 minutes ago
Some like 12hr shifts, some don't. Sometimes fits with family or not. Doing extra qualifications to achieve advancement is the same in most jobs, right?
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Have not met many that enjoy 12 hr shifts or any actually
Yes extra training for advancement is the same wherever in most cases
posted on 5/3/21
We should just nuke Westminster
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 8 minutes ago
We should just nuke Westminster
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Preferably a day that Klopp prriick is visiting.
posted on 5/3/21
On the OP itself, taking everything into account, I think the 1% is pretty paltry. I get that it’s (marginally) above the current rate of inflation, but we’ve already got the warning signs that inflation is more than likely going to increase fairly dramatically over the coming months.
It’s been a difficult year for everyone, but nurses have literally been on the frontline for the past 12 months. They’ve had to step in and take the place for loved ones that weren’t allowed in to support family members at the end of their lives.
The nurses union demanding 12.5% aren’t helping either-there has to be an understanding that there isn’t a bottomless pit and that there’s a lot of people who’ve lost their jobs in the last year.
The starting offer was paltry, and the counter offer is greed.
posted on 5/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Sharkhead Home of the Champions (U21900)
posted 8 minutes ago
We should just nuke Westminster
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Preferably a day that Klopp prriick is visiting.
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He' s just a tormented soul, projecting his hurt ontonthe world, we should hug him.
posted on 6/3/21
I doubt supermarket staff, bus drivers etc will get even 1%. The average wage of a nurse is what 34k, so think that’s around wage for the country. And given where the country is, it’ll be more than most get.
A lot is made up nurses risking their lives, however that risk is very low. No doubt they’ve had a tough year, but it’s workers in the hospitality and retail industries that have suffered most, and will need the money from government.
posted on 6/3/21
Made of even, not made up. As clearly there is a risk.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 7 minutes ago
I doubt supermarket staff, bus drivers etc will get even 1%. The average wage of a nurse is what 34k, so think that’s around wage for the country. And given where the country is, it’ll be more than most get.
A lot is made up nurses risking their lives, however that risk is very low. No doubt they’ve had a tough year, but it’s workers in the hospitality and retail industries that have suffered most, and will need the money from government.
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And this is how the Tories win. When people say I'm not getting it so why should they.
If you think being a supermarket worker or bus driver (absolutely tough jobs in the pandemic) are even close to as tough as being a nurse and that UK average is fine then say goodbye to the NHS as it won't be there for long with no nurses
posted on 6/3/21
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 7 minutes ago
I doubt supermarket staff, bus drivers etc will get even 1%. The average wage of a nurse is what 34k, so think that’s around wage for the country. And given where the country is, it’ll be more than most get.
A lot is made up nurses risking their lives, however that risk is very low. No doubt they’ve had a tough year, but it’s workers in the hospitality and retail industries that have suffered most, and will need the money from government.
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And this is how the Tories win. When people say I'm not getting it so why should they.
If you think being a supermarket worker or bus driver (absolutely tough jobs in the pandemic) are even close to as tough as being a nurse and that UK average is fine then say goodbye to the NHS as it won't be there for long with no nurses
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No one said they are close to being as tough. Nurses are already paid a good bit more than your average supermarket worker. The UK is more than a lot of people can dream of.
And this is how the SNP win, by giving free prescriptions and university tuition to all. Rather than helping those who need it most.
All politicians are the same.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 7 minutes ago
I doubt supermarket staff, bus drivers etc will get even 1%. The average wage of a nurse is what 34k, so think that’s around wage for the country. And given where the country is, it’ll be more than most get.
A lot is made up nurses risking their lives, however that risk is very low. No doubt they’ve had a tough year, but it’s workers in the hospitality and retail industries that have suffered most, and will need the money from government.
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And this is how the Tories win. When people say I'm not getting it so why should they.
If you think being a supermarket worker or bus driver (absolutely tough jobs in the pandemic) are even close to as tough as being a nurse and that UK average is fine then say goodbye to the NHS as it won't be there for long with no nurses
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No one said they are close to being as tough. Nurses are already paid a good bit more than your average supermarket worker. The UK is more than a lot of people can dream of.
And this is how the SNP win, by giving free prescriptions and university tuition to all. Rather than helping those who need it most.
All politicians are the same.
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I'm quite happy with free prescription and university tuition. Strange things to be unhappy about.
I think my point is a profession that deals with illness, injury, terminal conditions and death regularly deserves to be paid significantly more than UK average.
If you think supermarket workers don't get paid enough then go to different shops. Last I checked government doesn't set their wages.
There are supermarkets and shops that pay the real living wage rather than the government's version.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with campaigning for better pay in supermarkets, indeed it's a cause I would support. Not at the expense of nurses though and it certainly doesn't have to be.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 7 minutes ago
I doubt supermarket staff, bus drivers etc will get even 1%. The average wage of a nurse is what 34k, so think that’s around wage for the country. And given where the country is, it’ll be more than most get.
A lot is made up nurses risking their lives, however that risk is very low. No doubt they’ve had a tough year, but it’s workers in the hospitality and retail industries that have suffered most, and will need the money from government.
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And this is how the Tories win. When people say I'm not getting it so why should they.
If you think being a supermarket worker or bus driver (absolutely tough jobs in the pandemic) are even close to as tough as being a nurse and that UK average is fine then say goodbye to the NHS as it won't be there for long with no nurses
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No one said they are close to being as tough. Nurses are already paid a good bit more than your average supermarket worker. The UK is more than a lot of people can dream of.
And this is how the SNP win, by giving free prescriptions and university tuition to all. Rather than helping those who need it most.
All politicians are the same.
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I'm quite happy with free prescription and university tuition. Strange things to be unhappy about.
I think my point is a profession that deals with illness, injury, terminal conditions and death regularly deserves to be paid significantly more than UK average.
If you think supermarket workers don't get paid enough then go to different shops. Last I checked government doesn't set their wages.
There are supermarkets and shops that pay the real living wage rather than the government's version.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with campaigning for better pay in supermarkets, indeed it's a cause I would support. Not at the expense of nurses though and it certainly doesn't have to be.
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I’m not unhappy about it, but I’d prefer a more equal society. Most university graduates could afford to pay fees back even if not that exorbitant fees they charge in England. Would rather pay more tax myself if it means there’s less people on the streets or using food banks.
I think it would be great if everyone got a pay rise - that’s not realistic. What is, Is those that can afford to giving back a little more.
posted on 6/3/21
Interesting views, I do expect that those who choose to become nurses do so voluntarily. They could choose hospitality or self employment which often means a 12 hour day is considered a half day. Personally I'm delighted that they are getting a pay rise at all given the economic abyss that the country is staring into. But yeah, independence will sort all of that
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