Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted less than a minute ago
No one knows what was said other than those on the pitch that said it/heard it
It all points towards something in particular, so to use Occam's razor, with the simplest explanation usually being the correct one.......chances are the guy has said something racist
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It’s an easy conclusion to arrive at but it needs some evidence behind it is all.
It would seem enough heard what was said and are prepared to see it further. Good.
And if true I hope the player and club are hammered. No room in the game for this. Or anywhere else for that matter
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted about a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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Where is this rule you speak of?
First I’ve heard of it
comment by Joe-ny Stokes is my da (U15888)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by lauders 55 (U9757)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Joe-ny Stokes is my da (U15888)
posted less than a minute ago
Can anybody provide one shred of evidence that isn't 'hearsay'?
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I've not said anyone's guilty.
You've claimed it's lies though.
Clearly you don't believe in the any judicial system.
I'm out on this. Enjoy chaps
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I will wait until what happens happens, then make my mind up. I'm out too! Night all
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You said they didn't claim racism until they were losing. Quite clear what your thoughts were
Hope you read this back tomorrow and screw the nut
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 47 seconds ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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Burden of proof, unfortunately.
You claim something, it’s down to you to prove it.
FWIW, it does look as if something racist was said. But people need to calm down and try and look at it dispassionately. On both sides.
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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We can all see it’s pretty obvious
Kamara is pretty much the most calm guy on the park in every game yet he completely loses the plot over something whispered i. His ear, only for other normally very cool guys like Goldson losing it as well
Och I’m sure it’s nothing
Guys like Joe can make up their own mind about it
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If you watch the footage back, I reckon at least one of the two black Slavia players in the vicinity have heard what was said...can actually see one of them gesturing as if to say "what did you say that for" after it all kicks off
Be interesting to see if one of those guys can confirm exactly what was said
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 minutes ago
No one knows what was said other than those on the pitch that said it/heard it
It all points towards something in particular, so to use Occam's razor, with the simplest explanation usually being the correct one.......chances are the guy has said something racist
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We have benefit of seeing the reactions of the players.
I was accepting we were poor and got poor, but was raging when seeing how raging our players were.
comment by lauders 55 (U9757)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Joe-ny Stokes is my da (U15888)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by lauders 55 (U9757)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Joe-ny Stokes is my da (U15888)
posted less than a minute ago
Can anybody provide one shred of evidence that isn't 'hearsay'?
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I've not said anyone's guilty.
You've claimed it's lies though.
Clearly you don't believe in the any judicial system.
I'm out on this. Enjoy chaps
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I will wait until what happens happens, then make my mind up. I'm out too! Night all
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You said they didn't claim racism until they were losing. Quite clear what your thoughts were
Hope you read this back tomorrow and screw the nut
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He doesn’t have the brains for that unfortunately
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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We can all see it’s pretty obvious
Kamara is pretty much the most calm guy on the park in every game yet he completely loses the plot over something whispered i. His ear, only for other normally very cool guys like Goldson losing it as well
Och I’m sure it’s nothing
Guys like Joe can make up their own mind about it
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No we can’t.
We all suspect it. But we can’t “see” anything other than angry reactions.
Hopefully there’s enough who did actually hear it
What rule Ginger? There is no rule, it's an automatic standpoint by many including several players on this thread.
A white player approaches a black player and covers his mouth and says something. The black player claims that what was said was of a racist nature and the automatic reaction is to say "prove it".
Why is that the automatic response to allegations from black players or black people when they encounter racism?
because its a dangerous road smid, and unfortunately works the same way as rape in a way.
i know a guy who was accused by someone and it went all the way to trial before it was over and her story was shown to be complete and utter rubbish but mud sticks.
if there are witnesses then theres more clarity, but there is alway the "i never said what you think i said" or "in my culture that means..." which gerrard will know all about with suarez.
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
What rule Ginger? There is no rule, it's an automatic standpoint by many including several players on this thread.
A white player approaches a black player and covers his mouth and says something. The black player claims that what was said was of a racist nature and the automatic reaction is to say "prove it".
Why is that the automatic response to allegations from black players or black people when they encounter racism?
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I was going to provide the same answer along the ,Ines of JFK but he’s said it. I agree
So it's all on SSN now
Kamara told Gerrard he was racially abused
Roofe has been racially abused on social media too
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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We can all see it’s pretty obvious
Kamara is pretty much the most calm guy on the park in every game yet he completely loses the plot over something whispered i. His ear, only for other normally very cool guys like Goldson losing it as well
Och I’m sure it’s nothing
Guys like Joe can make up their own mind about it
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No we can’t.
We all suspect it. But we can’t “see” anything other than angry reactions.
Hopefully there’s enough who did actually hear it
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For Kamara to lose it like that and for the rest, including the manager, to follow it’s pretty obvious
Still not proven but pretty obvious
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted less than a minute ago
So it's all on SSN now
Kamara told Gerrard he was racially abused
Roofe has been racially abused on social media too
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That’s shocking.
We can all see it’s pretty obvious
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Nope. Total subjectivity.
Racists should be hammered to the nearest wall with blunt nails, but this just isn’t good enough.
Pointy, Crystal - agree, however this is not a criminal case. There is no judge and jury.
In this situation it's a human reaction in which the automatic assumption is that unless there is evidence then the allegation is false. There are no punishments for the player in this, but as individuals rather than be horrified it there are many who will take the stance that nothing bad happened there unless it can be proven.
I'm curious to know why it's that reaction rather than a reaction to say "that looked pretty obvious what happened there, would love to see the Sparta player's explanation"
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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We can all see it’s pretty obvious
Kamara is pretty much the most calm guy on the park in every game yet he completely loses the plot over something whispered i. His ear, only for other normally very cool guys like Goldson losing it as well
Och I’m sure it’s nothing
Guys like Joe can make up their own mind about it
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No we can’t.
We all suspect it. But we can’t “see” anything other than angry reactions.
Hopefully there’s enough who did actually hear it
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For Kamara to lose it like that and for the rest, including the manager, to follow it’s pretty obvious
Still not proven but pretty obvious
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I kind of agree it looks very obvious. That however needs backing up with corroboration which I’m sure will come out under an investigation.
I hope it does either way.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted less than a minute ago
So it's all on SSN now
Kamara told Gerrard he was racially abused
Roofe has been racially abused on social media too
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That’s shocking.
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Imagine doing something like that to an opponent then still playing on then actually sitting in the dressing room with all of your black team mates
i dont believe that issues such as racism, child abuse, and sexual assault should be defined by how partisan we are either btw.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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We can all see it’s pretty obvious
Kamara is pretty much the most calm guy on the park in every game yet he completely loses the plot over something whispered i. His ear, only for other normally very cool guys like Goldson losing it as well
Och I’m sure it’s nothing
Guys like Joe can make up their own mind about it
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No we can’t.
We all suspect it. But we can’t “see” anything other than angry reactions.
Hopefully there’s enough who did actually hear it
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For Kamara to lose it like that and for the rest, including the manager, to follow it’s pretty obvious
Still not proven but pretty obvious
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I kind of agree it looks very obvious. That however needs backing up with corroboration which I’m sure will come out under an investigation.
I hope it does either way.
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Makes no difference now but kind of leaves a nasty taste
I’m happy to admit they were the better team but they had zero class
JFK - yes very similar to rape, and equally as dangerous.
The response is always to say that we know someone who was wrongly accused as if it's justification. However the reality is that the majority of cases are not wrongly accused.
In this instance the balance of probabilities is heavily weighted in favour of what Kamara has claimed, and yet you have a situation where people stand back and say "yeah unless you can prove it it's irrelevant"
What changes do we genuinely expect to see when that's the reaction to these types of allegations?
no difference to result, big difference to kamara.
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posted on 18/3/21
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
posted on 18/3/21
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted less than a minute ago
No one knows what was said other than those on the pitch that said it/heard it
It all points towards something in particular, so to use Occam's razor, with the simplest explanation usually being the correct one.......chances are the guy has said something racist
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It’s an easy conclusion to arrive at but it needs some evidence behind it is all.
It would seem enough heard what was said and are prepared to see it further. Good.
And if true I hope the player and club are hammered. No room in the game for this. Or anywhere else for that matter
posted on 18/3/21
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted about a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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Where is this rule you speak of?
First I’ve heard of it
posted on 18/3/21
comment by Joe-ny Stokes is my da (U15888)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by lauders 55 (U9757)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Joe-ny Stokes is my da (U15888)
posted less than a minute ago
Can anybody provide one shred of evidence that isn't 'hearsay'?
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I've not said anyone's guilty.
You've claimed it's lies though.
Clearly you don't believe in the any judicial system.
I'm out on this. Enjoy chaps
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I will wait until what happens happens, then make my mind up. I'm out too! Night all
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You said they didn't claim racism until they were losing. Quite clear what your thoughts were
Hope you read this back tomorrow and screw the nut
posted on 18/3/21
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 47 seconds ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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Burden of proof, unfortunately.
You claim something, it’s down to you to prove it.
FWIW, it does look as if something racist was said. But people need to calm down and try and look at it dispassionately. On both sides.
posted on 18/3/21
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We can all see it’s pretty obvious
Kamara is pretty much the most calm guy on the park in every game yet he completely loses the plot over something whispered i. His ear, only for other normally very cool guys like Goldson losing it as well
Och I’m sure it’s nothing
Guys like Joe can make up their own mind about it
posted on 18/3/21
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posted on 18/3/21
If you watch the footage back, I reckon at least one of the two black Slavia players in the vicinity have heard what was said...can actually see one of them gesturing as if to say "what did you say that for" after it all kicks off
Be interesting to see if one of those guys can confirm exactly what was said
posted on 18/3/21
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 minutes ago
No one knows what was said other than those on the pitch that said it/heard it
It all points towards something in particular, so to use Occam's razor, with the simplest explanation usually being the correct one.......chances are the guy has said something racist
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We have benefit of seeing the reactions of the players.
I was accepting we were poor and got poor, but was raging when seeing how raging our players were.
posted on 18/3/21
comment by lauders 55 (U9757)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Joe-ny Stokes is my da (U15888)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by lauders 55 (U9757)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Joe-ny Stokes is my da (U15888)
posted less than a minute ago
Can anybody provide one shred of evidence that isn't 'hearsay'?
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I've not said anyone's guilty.
You've claimed it's lies though.
Clearly you don't believe in the any judicial system.
I'm out on this. Enjoy chaps
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I will wait until what happens happens, then make my mind up. I'm out too! Night all
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You said they didn't claim racism until they were losing. Quite clear what your thoughts were
Hope you read this back tomorrow and screw the nut
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He doesn’t have the brains for that unfortunately
posted on 18/3/21
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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We can all see it’s pretty obvious
Kamara is pretty much the most calm guy on the park in every game yet he completely loses the plot over something whispered i. His ear, only for other normally very cool guys like Goldson losing it as well
Och I’m sure it’s nothing
Guys like Joe can make up their own mind about it
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No we can’t.
We all suspect it. But we can’t “see” anything other than angry reactions.
Hopefully there’s enough who did actually hear it
posted on 18/3/21
What rule Ginger? There is no rule, it's an automatic standpoint by many including several players on this thread.
A white player approaches a black player and covers his mouth and says something. The black player claims that what was said was of a racist nature and the automatic reaction is to say "prove it".
Why is that the automatic response to allegations from black players or black people when they encounter racism?
posted on 18/3/21
because its a dangerous road smid, and unfortunately works the same way as rape in a way.
i know a guy who was accused by someone and it went all the way to trial before it was over and her story was shown to be complete and utter rubbish but mud sticks.
if there are witnesses then theres more clarity, but there is alway the "i never said what you think i said" or "in my culture that means..." which gerrard will know all about with suarez.
posted on 18/3/21
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
What rule Ginger? There is no rule, it's an automatic standpoint by many including several players on this thread.
A white player approaches a black player and covers his mouth and says something. The black player claims that what was said was of a racist nature and the automatic reaction is to say "prove it".
Why is that the automatic response to allegations from black players or black people when they encounter racism?
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I was going to provide the same answer along the ,Ines of JFK but he’s said it. I agree
posted on 18/3/21
So it's all on SSN now
Kamara told Gerrard he was racially abused
Roofe has been racially abused on social media too
posted on 18/3/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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We can all see it’s pretty obvious
Kamara is pretty much the most calm guy on the park in every game yet he completely loses the plot over something whispered i. His ear, only for other normally very cool guys like Goldson losing it as well
Och I’m sure it’s nothing
Guys like Joe can make up their own mind about it
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No we can’t.
We all suspect it. But we can’t “see” anything other than angry reactions.
Hopefully there’s enough who did actually hear it
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For Kamara to lose it like that and for the rest, including the manager, to follow it’s pretty obvious
Still not proven but pretty obvious
posted on 18/3/21
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted less than a minute ago
So it's all on SSN now
Kamara told Gerrard he was racially abused
Roofe has been racially abused on social media too
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That’s shocking.
posted on 18/3/21
We can all see it’s pretty obvious
—-
Nope. Total subjectivity.
Racists should be hammered to the nearest wall with blunt nails, but this just isn’t good enough.
posted on 18/3/21
Pointy, Crystal - agree, however this is not a criminal case. There is no judge and jury.
In this situation it's a human reaction in which the automatic assumption is that unless there is evidence then the allegation is false. There are no punishments for the player in this, but as individuals rather than be horrified it there are many who will take the stance that nothing bad happened there unless it can be proven.
I'm curious to know why it's that reaction rather than a reaction to say "that looked pretty obvious what happened there, would love to see the Sparta player's explanation"
posted on 18/3/21
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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We can all see it’s pretty obvious
Kamara is pretty much the most calm guy on the park in every game yet he completely loses the plot over something whispered i. His ear, only for other normally very cool guys like Goldson losing it as well
Och I’m sure it’s nothing
Guys like Joe can make up their own mind about it
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No we can’t.
We all suspect it. But we can’t “see” anything other than angry reactions.
Hopefully there’s enough who did actually hear it
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For Kamara to lose it like that and for the rest, including the manager, to follow it’s pretty obvious
Still not proven but pretty obvious
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I kind of agree it looks very obvious. That however needs backing up with corroboration which I’m sure will come out under an investigation.
I hope it does either way.
posted on 18/3/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted less than a minute ago
So it's all on SSN now
Kamara told Gerrard he was racially abused
Roofe has been racially abused on social media too
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That’s shocking.
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Imagine doing something like that to an opponent then still playing on then actually sitting in the dressing room with all of your black team mates
posted on 18/3/21
i dont believe that issues such as racism, child abuse, and sexual assault should be defined by how partisan we are either btw.
posted on 18/3/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by rats juice wun uz ra leeg...so it huz (U6393)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
Genuine question.
Why is it in this situation - and many like it - when it essentially comes down to one person's word against another that the automatic stand point is for the black person to prove it rather than the white person?
No one will ever know in this case what was said other than the two players. Both will tell a different version. It's highly unlikely that the Prague player will admit it given he ensured he covered his mouth when he said whatever he said.
But I'm genuinely curious to know why the standpoint is that the black player must prove what the white player said?
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We can all see it’s pretty obvious
Kamara is pretty much the most calm guy on the park in every game yet he completely loses the plot over something whispered i. His ear, only for other normally very cool guys like Goldson losing it as well
Och I’m sure it’s nothing
Guys like Joe can make up their own mind about it
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No we can’t.
We all suspect it. But we can’t “see” anything other than angry reactions.
Hopefully there’s enough who did actually hear it
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For Kamara to lose it like that and for the rest, including the manager, to follow it’s pretty obvious
Still not proven but pretty obvious
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I kind of agree it looks very obvious. That however needs backing up with corroboration which I’m sure will come out under an investigation.
I hope it does either way.
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Makes no difference now but kind of leaves a nasty taste
I’m happy to admit they were the better team but they had zero class
posted on 18/3/21
JFK - yes very similar to rape, and equally as dangerous.
The response is always to say that we know someone who was wrongly accused as if it's justification. However the reality is that the majority of cases are not wrongly accused.
In this instance the balance of probabilities is heavily weighted in favour of what Kamara has claimed, and yet you have a situation where people stand back and say "yeah unless you can prove it it's irrelevant"
What changes do we genuinely expect to see when that's the reaction to these types of allegations?
posted on 18/3/21
no difference to result, big difference to kamara.
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