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comment by Ron (U1646)

posted on 23/3/21

Can you name the awful decisions. My memory hazy.

I remember a blatant handball off Anelka maybe. What else?

comment by Devil (U6522)

posted on 23/3/21

We were so good in that 2nd leg match it was ridiculous.

One of the greatest teams in history didn't have one shot on target in 90mins (the Iniesta goal was in added time), and only achieved one successful action (Messi's assist) in our box. You could argue Essien's sliced clearance was the only mistake we made in that entire match. Insanely efficient football.

comment by Devil (U6522)

posted on 23/3/21

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 3 minutes ago

Can you name the awful decisions. My memory hazy.

I remember a blatant handball off Anelka maybe. What else?
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- Malouda fouled in the box, given as a free kick
- Drogba pulled back in the first half
- Drogba in the second (would've been soft)
- Abidal red card (worst decision of the lot)
- Pique handball
- Eto'o handball in last minute/Ballack chasing the ref

Probably a few more I've forgotten.

posted on 23/3/21

It is funny how a lot of people knock VAR and that game is an example of how things could have drastically changed had we have had VAR back then.

posted on 23/3/21

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 3 minutes ago

Can you name the awful decisions. My memory hazy.

I remember a blatant handball off Anelka maybe. What else?
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- Malouda fouled in the box, given as a free kick
- Drogba pulled back in the first half
- Drogba in the second (would've been soft)
- Abidal red card (worst decision of the lot)
- Pique handball
- Eto'o handball in last minute/Ballack chasing the ref

Probably a few more I've forgotten.
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Ballack Handball is when it hit me Ovrebo must be paid here. I genuinely thought Ballack was going to punch him there and then.

comment by Pun (U21588)

posted on 23/3/21

If there was ever a case for VAR, it was that game. Disgraceful refereeing.

comment by Ron (U1646)

posted on 23/3/21

- Malouda fouled in the box, given as a free kick
- Drogba pulled back in the first half
- Drogba in the second (would've been soft)
- Abidal red card (worst decision of the lot)
- Pique handball
- Eto'o handball in last minute/Ballack chasing the ref

Probably a few more I've forgotten.

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Just watched the highlights back.

Barcelona player read the Malouda turn, should not have been a freekick in the first place, so that is a nothing one. Malouda looking for it.

Drogba one again is a dive, lost control of ball, looking for it, not a penalty in my opinion, but seen them given both ways.

Was the Abidal decision that bad? A player in on goal, gets accidentally tripped up... to me that should be a red card. it is the defender responsibility to avoid the attacking player. Again seen them given as reds, 50/50 call.

The Pique handball is definitely a penaltyl, what is the linesman looking at?

Eto wasn't a handball, back turned, basicaly hit him on the shoulder.

So outside of the Pique handball, the rest were pretty much spot on, or 50/50 decisions.

Certainly seen far worse performances.

comment by Devil (U6522)

posted on 23/3/21

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 3 minutes ago

Can you name the awful decisions. My memory hazy.

I remember a blatant handball off Anelka maybe. What else?
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- Malouda fouled in the box, given as a free kick
- Drogba pulled back in the first half
- Drogba in the second (would've been soft)
- Abidal red card (worst decision of the lot)
- Pique handball
- Eto'o handball in last minute/Ballack chasing the ref

Probably a few more I've forgotten.
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Ballack Handball is when it hit me Ovrebo must be paid here. I genuinely thought Ballack was going to punch him there and then.
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Don't recall a Chelsea game where the players/manager & the fans feelings have been more aligned than that one. Ballack's wanting to deck the ref, Drogba's swearing on camera, Hiddink's backing them up in the post-match. Insane.

But we sh!thoused them good & proper in 2012 so all's well that ends well

posted on 23/3/21

It was absolutely disgraceful the amount of surrounding the ref and claiming for fouls there was from the English. Why not try and win a game properly instead of trying to influence the ref into giving you decisions? If it was rugby then the whole Chelsea team would be in the sin bin for abusing the ref. Disgusting and glad the honest team went through by winning it via football and not antics.

posted on 23/3/21

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
- Malouda fouled in the box, given as a free kick
- Drogba pulled back in the first half
- Drogba in the second (would've been soft)
- Abidal red card (worst decision of the lot)
- Pique handball
- Eto'o handball in last minute/Ballack chasing the ref

Probably a few more I've forgotten.

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Just watched the highlights back.

Barcelona player read the Malouda turn, should not have been a freekick in the first place, so that is a nothing one. Malouda looking for it.

Drogba one again is a dive, lost control of ball, looking for it, not a penalty in my opinion, but seen them given both ways.

Was the Abidal decision that bad? A player in on goal, gets accidentally tripped up... to me that should be a red card. it is the defender responsibility to avoid the attacking player. Again seen them given as reds, 50/50 call.

The Pique handball is definitely a penaltyl, what is the linesman looking at?

Eto wasn't a handball, back turned, basicaly hit him on the shoulder.

So outside of the Pique handball, the rest were pretty much spot on, or 50/50 decisions.

Certainly seen far worse performances.


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Ovrebo himself has come out and said it was a poor, poor performance from him and his colleagues.

posted on 23/3/21

Chelsea had a lot of claims that night and the cumulative effect of the shouts and growing indignation made it seem a bigger deal than it was. I think Ron is about right that there was one mistake and one that could have gone either way. Also, to put it in perspective, Barcelona were much the better side in the first leg and were denied a stonewall penalty at the Nou Camp that would have radically changed the complexion of the tie.

posted on 23/3/21

comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
It was absolutely disgraceful the amount of surrounding the ref and claiming for fouls there was from the English. Why not try and win a game properly instead of trying to influence the ref into giving you decisions? If it was rugby then the whole Chelsea team would be in the sin bin for abusing the ref. Disgusting and glad the honest team went through by winning it via football and not antics.
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Barcelona were outplayed that game and had no answers for the Chelsea attack. The answer of course was Ovrebo

posted on 23/3/21

I didn't like Chelsea or their players much back then so it was hilarious seeing Drogba, Terry, Ballack etc getting so p***ed off. But yes Chelsea were robbed because of the ref.

For sheer number of poor decisions in a game, I'm struggling to think of a worse performance.

posted on 23/3/21

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
It was absolutely disgraceful the amount of surrounding the ref and claiming for fouls there was from the English. Why not try and win a game properly instead of trying to influence the ref into giving you decisions? If it was rugby then the whole Chelsea team would be in the sin bin for abusing the ref. Disgusting and glad the honest team went through by winning it via football and not antics.
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Barcelona were outplayed that game and had no answers for the Chelsea attack. The answer of course was Ovrebo
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1) You've been Barry'd
2) Barcelona battered Chelsea in the first leg and were denied a penalty that would usually be granted. Over the whole tie I think Chelsea can feel a bit aggrieved but I don't think it's as clear cut that the gods were firmly against them.

comment by Pun (U21588)

posted on 23/3/21

comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
It was absolutely disgraceful the amount of surrounding the ref and claiming for fouls there was from the English. Why not try and win a game properly instead of trying to influence the ref into giving you decisions? If it was rugby then the whole Chelsea team would be in the sin bin for abusing the ref. Disgusting and glad the honest team went through by winning it via football and not antics.
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It was obvious even then that all they had to do was sit back and counter and then win the game with clinical English finishing.

posted on 23/3/21

I always find it funny at matches when there is a succession of handball claims that are clearly not handballs, but because one follows the other the fans get increasingly aggrieved "hanball. Handball! HANDBALL!! BOOOOO".

None of them are actually fouls but for some reason the accumulation of several being close to fouls makes fans think they should eventually be given.

That's what happened to Chelsea fans that night. You don't get a penalty for an accumulation of almost penalties. Silly Chelsea fans.

posted on 23/3/21

It's hard to think that match was not corrupted in some way tbf.

comment by Devil (U6522)

posted on 23/3/21

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 11 minutes ago

- Malouda fouled in the box, given as a free kick
- Drogba pulled back in the first half
- Drogba in the second (would've been soft)
- Abidal red card (worst decision of the lot)
- Pique handball
- Eto'o handball in last minute/Ballack chasing the ref

Probably a few more I've forgotten.

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Just watched the highlights back.

Barcelona player read the Malouda turn, should not have been a freekick in the first place, so that is a nothing one. Malouda looking for it.

Drogba one again is a dive, lost control of ball, looking for it, not a penalty in my opinion, but seen them given both ways.

Was the Abidal decision that bad? A player in on goal, gets accidentally tripped up... to me that should be a red card. it is the defender responsibility to avoid the attacking player. Again seen them given as reds, 50/50 call.

The Pique handball is definitely a penaltyl, what is the linesman looking at?

Eto wasn't a handball, back turned, basicaly hit him on the shoulder.

So outside of the Pique handball, the rest were pretty much spot on, or 50/50 decisions.

Certainly seen far worse performances.
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Alves pushed Malouda with arms near his neck, definite foul & was in the box so definite penalty

The two Drogba one's debateable I agree. Second one looked like a clean tackle, first one shirt pulled but 50/50.

Abidal red card was hilarious. No contact made, dunno what you were looking at ... I suspect was Overbo feeling intimidated by the crowd & gave them something back, just guessing.

Pique handball was stonewall. Nothing else to be said.

Eto'o handball was cheeky. Arm high inside the box, hit him on the upper arm (not shoulder) and that ball was going in top bins. Call it a 75/25 & I'm being generous.

posted on 23/3/21

For me the Drogba ones probably wouldn't have been given by most refs due to his diving reputation.

posted on 23/3/21

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
It was absolutely disgraceful the amount of surrounding the ref and claiming for fouls there was from the English. Why not try and win a game properly instead of trying to influence the ref into giving you decisions? If it was rugby then the whole Chelsea team would be in the sin bin for abusing the ref. Disgusting and glad the honest team went through by winning it via football and not antics.
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Barcelona were outplayed that game and had no answers for the Chelsea attack. The answer of course was Ovrebo
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1) You've been Barry'd
2) Barcelona battered Chelsea in the first leg and were denied a penalty that would usually be granted. Over the whole tie I think Chelsea can feel a bit aggrieved but I don't think it's as clear cut that the gods were firmly against them.
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I was specifically referring to the game at the Bridge, wherein Chelsea were on top of them.

posted on 23/3/21

comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 17 minutes ago
I always find it funny at matches when there is a succession of handball claims that are clearly not handballs, but because one follows the other the fans get increasingly aggrieved "hanball. Handball! HANDBALL!! BOOOOO".

None of them are actually fouls but for some reason the accumulation of several being close to fouls makes fans think they should eventually be given.

That's what happened to Chelsea fans that night. You don't get a penalty for an accumulation of almost penalties. Silly Chelsea fans.
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What are you talking about???

posted on 23/3/21

Still angers me this game, still think something dodgy was at play.

comment by Devil (U6522)

posted on 23/3/21

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 8 minutes ago

comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 17 minutes ago
I always find it funny at matches when there is a succession of handball claims that are clearly not handballs, but because one follows the other the fans get increasingly aggrieved "hanball. Handball! HANDBALL!! BOOOOO".

None of them are actually fouls but for some reason the accumulation of several being close to fouls makes fans think they should eventually be given.

That's what happened to Chelsea fans that night. You don't get a penalty for an accumulation of almost penalties. Silly Chelsea fans.
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What are you talking about???
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Does make me laugh fans who try to dismiss that night as the better "football" team going through. We were the better team over 180 minutes, that's what made this whole mess so infuriating! Barcelona were the aggressors yes but we were in total control, they couldn't lay a glove on us. We shackled them completely.

In 2012 absolutely, Barcelona were 10x better & we had to really dig in & ride our luck to get through those games. But 2009? Nah, we deserved it, we were better, they got extremely lucky.

posted on 23/3/21

It is all down to a primitive brain reaction.
When two sets of rival fans watch the same game, in the frontal and subcortical regions of the brain – including areas known to be active in reward, self-identity and control of movement – there is a correlation between supporters of the same team, but significant differences between the groups. This is what allows fans of rival teams to develop a different understanding of the same game.

An example:

During the 2018 World Cup, when England played Colombia, English fans complained loudly about the number of fouls called against their team. Meanwhile, in South America, a formal petition was circulated demanding a rematch because of what Colombian fans felt was clear bias against their team by the referees.

So all that happened is Chelsea fans and the English (basically everyone apart from the only non-biased person - me) saw it as Chelsea being cheated. But simple psychological studies prove that your viewpoint is in fact incorrect and suggests that I am the only one with a valid viewpoint on the game itself.

posted on 23/3/21

comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
It is all down to a primitive brain reaction.
When two sets of rival fans watch the same game, in the frontal and subcortical regions of the brain – including areas known to be active in reward, self-identity and control of movement – there is a correlation between supporters of the same team, but significant differences between the groups. This is what allows fans of rival teams to develop a different understanding of the same game.

An example:

During the 2018 World Cup, when England played Colombia, English fans complained loudly about the number of fouls called against their team. Meanwhile, in South America, a formal petition was circulated demanding a rematch because of what Colombian fans felt was clear bias against their team by the referees.

So all that happened is Chelsea fans and the English (basically everyone apart from the only non-biased person - me) saw it as Chelsea being cheated. But simple psychological studies prove that your viewpoint is in fact incorrect and suggests that I am the only one with a valid viewpoint on the game itself.
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Thanks for enlightening us, Sigmund Freud.

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