After that 6-1 loss to Spurs, you'd have been laughed at for thinking we could finish 2nd.. People were crowing about Jose, then Arteta having a "clear plan". Of course, Klopp was managing the best side ever seen in football and Poch was the best genius to ever be out of a job.
It's been a strange old season for many reasons and we are not a great side to watch... But Ole and the boys have done better than expected and we should really judge the 21/22 season
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
After that 6-1 loss to Spurs, you'd have been laughed at for thinking we could finish 2nd.. People were crowing about Jose, then Arteta having a "clear plan". Of course, Klopp was managing the best side ever seen in football and Poch was the best genius to ever be out of a job.
It's been a strange old season for many reasons and we are not a great side to watch... But Ole and the boys have done better than expected and we should really judge the 21/22 season
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Yes I’ll admit I feared for our season after both the Spurs and Arsenal fans. Since then though the results have been really good barring the odd hiccup.
The football is disjointed at times though and needs to improve.
Well obviously I agree OP. I am surprised at some of the flak he still gets.
PE teacher, will never win anything, other clubs fans still saying, glad he won that he'll still be your manager next year😄 often by someone whose team is 20 points below us.
Everyone is open to criticism, even the best, but some of it is ridiculous
Assuming we avoid an absolute calamity of an end of season, Ole has done enough to continue next season for sure. I do think that the performances and scraping wins etc is unsustainable in the long run. Yes, I know teams that win leagues will always need to learn to win ugly, but we win ugly far too often, and in some cases, we win undeservedly. Some pressure on the board to back Ole this summer, but some pressure on Ole and his coaches to implement a more controlled playing style, and iron out the constant silly mistakes by players (or ship those players out!!)
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
Well obviously I agree OP. I am surprised at some of the flak he still gets.
PE teacher, will never win anything, other clubs fans still saying, glad he won that he'll still be your manager next year😄 often by someone whose team is 20 points below us.
Everyone is open to criticism, even the best, but some of it is ridiculous
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It really is. I do think he needs to win something by the end of next season though to keep his job unless we are in a serious title race.
He’s also gotten no luck in cup draws tbf. Not taking away from the trophies LVG and Jose won but if you look at who we beat the hardest draw in any of those cups was a home tie against a depleted City.
If someone said after 30 games we’d be in 2nd with an 11 point gap on 5th we’d probably all have taken it or at least said it was more than acceptable.
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especially, every one of the Diddums Gang
We finished 2nd in 2018, position clearly doesn’t tell the whole picture. Things are rarely black and white and I’m not here to slag off Ole because he has done well at some things and should be applauded that that and the position does reflect how we are doing compared to other teams but we can’t ignore the football, it’s as bad if not worse than what we saw under LVG and Jose most of the time imo.
The issue I have is that while we are second, I just don’t see us making steps to take us to the level we require if we want to make genuine attempts at fighting for the top trophies. The reason for this isn’t just Ole, he’s only one factor and the bigger one will always be the Glazers and Ed.
If some fans are happy then that’s totally fine, everyone will have different opinions. Personally I think we should be demanding and expecting more, that’s not me acting like a spoilt fan, that’s what I genuinely think this club can and should be doing even with the hinderance of the Glazers.
Chelsea sacked Lampard when they were 8 points behind United to bring in a proper manager with experience of winning stuff, who's dragged them up to 9 points behind United.
Ole's doing alright, you know.
2nd place. 14 PTS better off than last season after 30 games. Still got a chance of winning the Europa.
These moaning fans simply can't handle the fact it's not 2008 anymore. Half of them would be city fans if born 20 years later.
If we finish top 4 then Ole deserves another season not sure about a multi year 9!million contract though I still think has a lot to prove, the meek way we went out the Champions league after a great start was poor as we’re our exits from the League and FA cups followed by his pop at Jose for actually winning something with us, cups are more than ego for managers Ole and they keep you in a job.
Ole somehow still feels like a caretaker to me and a bit inexperienced to be up against Klopp and Pep, I think next year is a big one for him and I just hope the club have the cash to support him with a decent right winger, centre forward, and quality ball passing DM as the minimum as without it I can’t see him getting more out of this team than a 14 points repeat deficit to City which is how far away we actually are from our lofty second.
Winning the Europa would be massive for him this season in terms of his credibility and the confidence of the team so fingers crossed Fred knows which way we are kicking on Thursday night.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 13 minutes ago
We finished 2nd in 2018, position clearly doesn’t tell the whole picture. Things are rarely black and white and I’m not here to slag off Ole because he has done well at some things and should be applauded that that and the position does reflect how we are doing compared to other teams but we can’t ignore the football, it’s as bad if not worse than what we saw under LVG and Jose most of the time imo.
The issue I have is that while we are second, I just don’t see us making steps to take us to the level we require if we want to make genuine attempts at fighting for the top trophies. The reason for this isn’t just Ole, he’s only one factor and the bigger one will always be the Glazers and Ed.
If some fans are happy then that’s totally fine, everyone will have different opinions. Personally I think we should be demanding and expecting more, that’s not me acting like a spoilt fan, that’s what I genuinely think this club can and should be doing even with the hinderance of the Glazers.
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I wouldn’t be happy if every season was like this however Ole has done well with what he has. I doubt any of our summer signings last summer were his 1st choice and none have made a huge impact but he’s kept results improving.
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
If we finish top 4 then Ole deserves another season not sure about a multi year 9!million contract though I still think has a lot to prove, the meek way we went out the Champions league after a great start was poor as we’re our exits from the League and FA cups followed by his pop at Jose for actually winning something with us, cups are more than ego for managers Ole and they keep you in a job.
Ole somehow still feels like a caretaker to me and a bit inexperienced to be up against Klopp and Pep, I think next year is a big one for him and I just hope the club have the cash to support him with a decent right winger, centre forward, and quality ball passing DM as the minimum as without it I can’t see him getting more out of this team than a 14 points repeat deficit to City which is how far away we actually are from our lofty second.
Winning the Europa would be massive for him this season in terms of his credibility and the confidence of the team so fingers crossed Fred knows which way we are kicking on Thursday night.
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Agree that’s no reason right now to give him a massive pay rise and long term deal.
We're doing well in the league but like with Jose' season where he finished 2nd, we seem to be benefitting from a a lack of competition or our rival collapsing.
Liverpool have their problems and Chelsea have had some turmoil with a manager change.
Still credit to Ole though for maintaining some consistency.
But I just don't see enough progress for me to think we'll win the title next season and I feel like Ole has taken us as far as he can. Second with a EL win would surpass expectations so based on that he would deserve another season. Can't argue against that.
I'll remain hopefully but the dire football, shocking results and some poor transfer (maguire/awb) do have me concerned for the long term.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 minutes ago
Well obviously I agree OP. I am surprised at some of the flak he still gets.
PE teacher, will never win anything, other clubs fans still saying, glad he won that he'll still be your manager next year😄 often by someone whose team is 20 points below us.
Everyone is open to criticism, even the best, but some of it is ridiculous
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I would have thought opposition fans wanting Ole to stay is pretty obvious - Utd are one of the 5 biggest clubs in the world, you could argue top 3. Most of us are used to watching Utd hoover up trophies with a top class manager at the helm.
I actually think Ole is doing a pretty decent job but theoretically Utd should be able to attract any manager in the world (club rivalries/clashes aside). When one of the 5 biggest clubs doesn’t have one of the best managers in world football, others are going to be a bit relieved.
It’s not Utd specific or Ole specific - can’t imagine many Inter/Milan/Roma etc fans want Juve to get rid of Pirlo either.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 minutes ago
Well obviously I agree OP. I am surprised at some of the flak he still gets.
PE teacher, will never win anything, other clubs fans still saying, glad he won that he'll still be your manager next year😄 often by someone whose team is 20 points below us.
Everyone is open to criticism, even the best, but some of it is ridiculous
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I would have thought opposition fans wanting Ole to stay is pretty obvious - Utd are one of the 5 biggest clubs in the world, you could argue top 3. Most of us are used to watching Utd hoover up trophies with a top class manager at the helm.
I actually think Ole is doing a pretty decent job but theoretically Utd should be able to attract any manager in the world (club rivalries/clashes aside). When one of the 5 biggest clubs doesn’t have one of the best managers in world football, others are going to be a bit relieved.
It’s not Utd specific or Ole specific - can’t imagine many Inter/Milan/Roma etc fans want Juve to get rid of Pirlo either.
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Who are the 5 biggest clubs in the world and which of those have the best managers in the world?
Not having a go or anything just curious?
Start of the season if anyone said we would be knocked out of the CL in group stages I would be peeved
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 minutes ago
Well obviously I agree OP. I am surprised at some of the flak he still gets.
PE teacher, will never win anything, other clubs fans still saying, glad he won that he'll still be your manager next year😄 often by someone whose team is 20 points below us.
Everyone is open to criticism, even the best, but some of it is ridiculous
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I would have thought opposition fans wanting Ole to stay is pretty obvious - Utd are one of the 5 biggest clubs in the world, you could argue top 3. Most of us are used to watching Utd hoover up trophies with a top class manager at the helm.
I actually think Ole is doing a pretty decent job but theoretically Utd should be able to attract any manager in the world (club rivalries/clashes aside). When one of the 5 biggest clubs doesn’t have one of the best managers in world football, others are going to be a bit relieved.
It’s not Utd specific or Ole specific - can’t imagine many Inter/Milan/Roma etc fans want Juve to get rid of Pirlo either.
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The club isn’t a living, breathing, sentient entity. If it were, it’d probably have managed to update our corporate and technical structures, put a competent CEO in place, installed a DoF rather than having an accountant act in the role, and secured one of Pep or Klopp in the last eight years.
Unfortunately, it is not, and it is the job of the Glazers and Woodward to attract and employ managers, not Manchester United, in any of its legal, financial, memetic, or brick and mortar forms.
Before Liverpool acquired the services of Jurgen Klopp, Woodward did meet with the German to try to sell United to him. Shouldn’t really have been a very difficult sell, because as you’ve rightly said, United is one of the biggest clubs in the world. It’s also one of the richest, best paying, most resource-laden, and with a famous history, footballing tradition and academy.
Klopp famously laughed Ed all the way out of his professional life after the buffoon made himself look like, well, a complete buffoon.
That’s what we have to work with as United fans, and why people would be both spectacularly stupid and very forgetful to assume that if Ole were to be dismissed we’d end up with a more suitable candidate employed.
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 18 minutes ago
Start of the season if anyone said we would be knocked out of the CL in group stages I would be peeved
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Yes and we blew it after a good start which wasn’t good enough. Still got the toughest 3rd seed possible. LVG got knocked out of a far easier group when he was here.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 18 minutes ago
Start of the season if anyone said we would be knocked out of the CL in group stages I would be peeved
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Yes and we blew it after a good start which wasn’t good enough. Still got the toughest 3rd seed possible. LVG got knocked out of a far easier group when he was here.
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That really was a novice mistake made by Ole. SAF did it early on as well.
You do not play a weakened team in the third game of the group stages.
Great article shedding perspective on our situation
I am an Ole fan but also have seen enough to feel we are are never going to for the epl with him.The question is it too greedy/entitled to expect more going forward?
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 18 minutes ago
Start of the season if anyone said we would be knocked out of the CL in group stages I would be peeved
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Yes and we blew it after a good start which wasn’t good enough. Still got the toughest 3rd seed possible. LVG got knocked out of a far easier group when he was here.
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That really was a novice mistake made by Ole. SAF did it early on as well.
You do not play a weakened team in the third game of the group stages.
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Agreed. Martial cost us massively against PSG also. One of those sitters go in and we probably at least draw that game and get through.
Frustrating as there is very few top sides in the CL right now and anything can happen in the knock outs.
I am an Ole fan but also have seen enough to feel we are are never going to for the epl with him.
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I don’t think we will either but other than Pep or Klopp I don’t see any other manager that will.
Unless it all goes wrong from now until the end of the season I think we are better off sticking with him and continuing the rebuild.
I agree with a lot of what you say, and the fact we will likely finish 2nd does indeed mean that Ole will deserve next season. But I think the biggest gripe most fans have is that the issues we have are continual issues that never seem to improve, we have too many players (some of whom Ole bought) who are poor on the ball yet we continue to play out from the back and put ourselves under pressure, we have defenders who make individual errors, we seem to be slow and lethargic in a large majority of games, and we are relying on individual moments to win games rather than playing good football. These are all issues we have had almost since Ole got the job permanently and none have been addressed. I’ve always said Ole isn’t the man to take us back to the top, but he will put in place a lot of good base work that the next man will benefit from, and I have seen nothing to change my mind
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 13 minutes ago
I agree with a lot of what you say, and the fact we will likely finish 2nd does indeed mean that Ole will deserve next season. But I think the biggest gripe most fans have is that the issues we have are continual issues that never seem to improve, we have too many players (some of whom Ole bought) who are poor on the ball yet we continue to play out from the back and put ourselves under pressure, we have defenders who make individual errors, we seem to be slow and lethargic in a large majority of games, and we are relying on individual moments to win games rather than playing good football. These are all issues we have had almost since Ole got the job permanently and none have been addressed. I’ve always said Ole isn’t the man to take us back to the top, but he will put in place a lot of good base work that the next man will benefit from, and I have seen nothing to change my mind
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A very fair view imo.
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posted on 5/4/21
After that 6-1 loss to Spurs, you'd have been laughed at for thinking we could finish 2nd.. People were crowing about Jose, then Arteta having a "clear plan". Of course, Klopp was managing the best side ever seen in football and Poch was the best genius to ever be out of a job.
It's been a strange old season for many reasons and we are not a great side to watch... But Ole and the boys have done better than expected and we should really judge the 21/22 season
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
After that 6-1 loss to Spurs, you'd have been laughed at for thinking we could finish 2nd.. People were crowing about Jose, then Arteta having a "clear plan". Of course, Klopp was managing the best side ever seen in football and Poch was the best genius to ever be out of a job.
It's been a strange old season for many reasons and we are not a great side to watch... But Ole and the boys have done better than expected and we should really judge the 21/22 season
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Yes I’ll admit I feared for our season after both the Spurs and Arsenal fans. Since then though the results have been really good barring the odd hiccup.
The football is disjointed at times though and needs to improve.
posted on 5/4/21
Well obviously I agree OP. I am surprised at some of the flak he still gets.
PE teacher, will never win anything, other clubs fans still saying, glad he won that he'll still be your manager next year😄 often by someone whose team is 20 points below us.
Everyone is open to criticism, even the best, but some of it is ridiculous
posted on 5/4/21
Assuming we avoid an absolute calamity of an end of season, Ole has done enough to continue next season for sure. I do think that the performances and scraping wins etc is unsustainable in the long run. Yes, I know teams that win leagues will always need to learn to win ugly, but we win ugly far too often, and in some cases, we win undeservedly. Some pressure on the board to back Ole this summer, but some pressure on Ole and his coaches to implement a more controlled playing style, and iron out the constant silly mistakes by players (or ship those players out!!)
posted on 5/4/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
Well obviously I agree OP. I am surprised at some of the flak he still gets.
PE teacher, will never win anything, other clubs fans still saying, glad he won that he'll still be your manager next year😄 often by someone whose team is 20 points below us.
Everyone is open to criticism, even the best, but some of it is ridiculous
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It really is. I do think he needs to win something by the end of next season though to keep his job unless we are in a serious title race.
He’s also gotten no luck in cup draws tbf. Not taking away from the trophies LVG and Jose won but if you look at who we beat the hardest draw in any of those cups was a home tie against a depleted City.
posted on 5/4/21
Incoming Diddums FC...
posted on 5/4/21
If someone said after 30 games we’d be in 2nd with an 11 point gap on 5th we’d probably all have taken it or at least said it was more than acceptable.
_
especially, every one of the Diddums Gang
posted on 5/4/21
We finished 2nd in 2018, position clearly doesn’t tell the whole picture. Things are rarely black and white and I’m not here to slag off Ole because he has done well at some things and should be applauded that that and the position does reflect how we are doing compared to other teams but we can’t ignore the football, it’s as bad if not worse than what we saw under LVG and Jose most of the time imo.
The issue I have is that while we are second, I just don’t see us making steps to take us to the level we require if we want to make genuine attempts at fighting for the top trophies. The reason for this isn’t just Ole, he’s only one factor and the bigger one will always be the Glazers and Ed.
If some fans are happy then that’s totally fine, everyone will have different opinions. Personally I think we should be demanding and expecting more, that’s not me acting like a spoilt fan, that’s what I genuinely think this club can and should be doing even with the hinderance of the Glazers.
posted on 5/4/21
Chelsea sacked Lampard when they were 8 points behind United to bring in a proper manager with experience of winning stuff, who's dragged them up to 9 points behind United.
Ole's doing alright, you know.
posted on 5/4/21
2nd place. 14 PTS better off than last season after 30 games. Still got a chance of winning the Europa.
These moaning fans simply can't handle the fact it's not 2008 anymore. Half of them would be city fans if born 20 years later.
posted on 5/4/21
If we finish top 4 then Ole deserves another season not sure about a multi year 9!million contract though I still think has a lot to prove, the meek way we went out the Champions league after a great start was poor as we’re our exits from the League and FA cups followed by his pop at Jose for actually winning something with us, cups are more than ego for managers Ole and they keep you in a job.
Ole somehow still feels like a caretaker to me and a bit inexperienced to be up against Klopp and Pep, I think next year is a big one for him and I just hope the club have the cash to support him with a decent right winger, centre forward, and quality ball passing DM as the minimum as without it I can’t see him getting more out of this team than a 14 points repeat deficit to City which is how far away we actually are from our lofty second.
Winning the Europa would be massive for him this season in terms of his credibility and the confidence of the team so fingers crossed Fred knows which way we are kicking on Thursday night.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 13 minutes ago
We finished 2nd in 2018, position clearly doesn’t tell the whole picture. Things are rarely black and white and I’m not here to slag off Ole because he has done well at some things and should be applauded that that and the position does reflect how we are doing compared to other teams but we can’t ignore the football, it’s as bad if not worse than what we saw under LVG and Jose most of the time imo.
The issue I have is that while we are second, I just don’t see us making steps to take us to the level we require if we want to make genuine attempts at fighting for the top trophies. The reason for this isn’t just Ole, he’s only one factor and the bigger one will always be the Glazers and Ed.
If some fans are happy then that’s totally fine, everyone will have different opinions. Personally I think we should be demanding and expecting more, that’s not me acting like a spoilt fan, that’s what I genuinely think this club can and should be doing even with the hinderance of the Glazers.
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I wouldn’t be happy if every season was like this however Ole has done well with what he has. I doubt any of our summer signings last summer were his 1st choice and none have made a huge impact but he’s kept results improving.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
If we finish top 4 then Ole deserves another season not sure about a multi year 9!million contract though I still think has a lot to prove, the meek way we went out the Champions league after a great start was poor as we’re our exits from the League and FA cups followed by his pop at Jose for actually winning something with us, cups are more than ego for managers Ole and they keep you in a job.
Ole somehow still feels like a caretaker to me and a bit inexperienced to be up against Klopp and Pep, I think next year is a big one for him and I just hope the club have the cash to support him with a decent right winger, centre forward, and quality ball passing DM as the minimum as without it I can’t see him getting more out of this team than a 14 points repeat deficit to City which is how far away we actually are from our lofty second.
Winning the Europa would be massive for him this season in terms of his credibility and the confidence of the team so fingers crossed Fred knows which way we are kicking on Thursday night.
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Agree that’s no reason right now to give him a massive pay rise and long term deal.
posted on 5/4/21
We're doing well in the league but like with Jose' season where he finished 2nd, we seem to be benefitting from a a lack of competition or our rival collapsing.
Liverpool have their problems and Chelsea have had some turmoil with a manager change.
Still credit to Ole though for maintaining some consistency.
But I just don't see enough progress for me to think we'll win the title next season and I feel like Ole has taken us as far as he can. Second with a EL win would surpass expectations so based on that he would deserve another season. Can't argue against that.
I'll remain hopefully but the dire football, shocking results and some poor transfer (maguire/awb) do have me concerned for the long term.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 minutes ago
Well obviously I agree OP. I am surprised at some of the flak he still gets.
PE teacher, will never win anything, other clubs fans still saying, glad he won that he'll still be your manager next year😄 often by someone whose team is 20 points below us.
Everyone is open to criticism, even the best, but some of it is ridiculous
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I would have thought opposition fans wanting Ole to stay is pretty obvious - Utd are one of the 5 biggest clubs in the world, you could argue top 3. Most of us are used to watching Utd hoover up trophies with a top class manager at the helm.
I actually think Ole is doing a pretty decent job but theoretically Utd should be able to attract any manager in the world (club rivalries/clashes aside). When one of the 5 biggest clubs doesn’t have one of the best managers in world football, others are going to be a bit relieved.
It’s not Utd specific or Ole specific - can’t imagine many Inter/Milan/Roma etc fans want Juve to get rid of Pirlo either.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 minutes ago
Well obviously I agree OP. I am surprised at some of the flak he still gets.
PE teacher, will never win anything, other clubs fans still saying, glad he won that he'll still be your manager next year😄 often by someone whose team is 20 points below us.
Everyone is open to criticism, even the best, but some of it is ridiculous
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I would have thought opposition fans wanting Ole to stay is pretty obvious - Utd are one of the 5 biggest clubs in the world, you could argue top 3. Most of us are used to watching Utd hoover up trophies with a top class manager at the helm.
I actually think Ole is doing a pretty decent job but theoretically Utd should be able to attract any manager in the world (club rivalries/clashes aside). When one of the 5 biggest clubs doesn’t have one of the best managers in world football, others are going to be a bit relieved.
It’s not Utd specific or Ole specific - can’t imagine many Inter/Milan/Roma etc fans want Juve to get rid of Pirlo either.
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Who are the 5 biggest clubs in the world and which of those have the best managers in the world?
Not having a go or anything just curious?
posted on 5/4/21
Start of the season if anyone said we would be knocked out of the CL in group stages I would be peeved
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 minutes ago
Well obviously I agree OP. I am surprised at some of the flak he still gets.
PE teacher, will never win anything, other clubs fans still saying, glad he won that he'll still be your manager next year😄 often by someone whose team is 20 points below us.
Everyone is open to criticism, even the best, but some of it is ridiculous
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I would have thought opposition fans wanting Ole to stay is pretty obvious - Utd are one of the 5 biggest clubs in the world, you could argue top 3. Most of us are used to watching Utd hoover up trophies with a top class manager at the helm.
I actually think Ole is doing a pretty decent job but theoretically Utd should be able to attract any manager in the world (club rivalries/clashes aside). When one of the 5 biggest clubs doesn’t have one of the best managers in world football, others are going to be a bit relieved.
It’s not Utd specific or Ole specific - can’t imagine many Inter/Milan/Roma etc fans want Juve to get rid of Pirlo either.
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The club isn’t a living, breathing, sentient entity. If it were, it’d probably have managed to update our corporate and technical structures, put a competent CEO in place, installed a DoF rather than having an accountant act in the role, and secured one of Pep or Klopp in the last eight years.
Unfortunately, it is not, and it is the job of the Glazers and Woodward to attract and employ managers, not Manchester United, in any of its legal, financial, memetic, or brick and mortar forms.
Before Liverpool acquired the services of Jurgen Klopp, Woodward did meet with the German to try to sell United to him. Shouldn’t really have been a very difficult sell, because as you’ve rightly said, United is one of the biggest clubs in the world. It’s also one of the richest, best paying, most resource-laden, and with a famous history, footballing tradition and academy.
Klopp famously laughed Ed all the way out of his professional life after the buffoon made himself look like, well, a complete buffoon.
That’s what we have to work with as United fans, and why people would be both spectacularly stupid and very forgetful to assume that if Ole were to be dismissed we’d end up with a more suitable candidate employed.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 18 minutes ago
Start of the season if anyone said we would be knocked out of the CL in group stages I would be peeved
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Yes and we blew it after a good start which wasn’t good enough. Still got the toughest 3rd seed possible. LVG got knocked out of a far easier group when he was here.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 18 minutes ago
Start of the season if anyone said we would be knocked out of the CL in group stages I would be peeved
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Yes and we blew it after a good start which wasn’t good enough. Still got the toughest 3rd seed possible. LVG got knocked out of a far easier group when he was here.
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That really was a novice mistake made by Ole. SAF did it early on as well.
You do not play a weakened team in the third game of the group stages.
posted on 5/4/21
Great article shedding perspective on our situation
I am an Ole fan but also have seen enough to feel we are are never going to for the epl with him.The question is it too greedy/entitled to expect more going forward?
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 18 minutes ago
Start of the season if anyone said we would be knocked out of the CL in group stages I would be peeved
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Yes and we blew it after a good start which wasn’t good enough. Still got the toughest 3rd seed possible. LVG got knocked out of a far easier group when he was here.
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That really was a novice mistake made by Ole. SAF did it early on as well.
You do not play a weakened team in the third game of the group stages.
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Agreed. Martial cost us massively against PSG also. One of those sitters go in and we probably at least draw that game and get through.
Frustrating as there is very few top sides in the CL right now and anything can happen in the knock outs.
posted on 5/4/21
I am an Ole fan but also have seen enough to feel we are are never going to for the epl with him.
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I don’t think we will either but other than Pep or Klopp I don’t see any other manager that will.
Unless it all goes wrong from now until the end of the season I think we are better off sticking with him and continuing the rebuild.
posted on 5/4/21
I agree with a lot of what you say, and the fact we will likely finish 2nd does indeed mean that Ole will deserve next season. But I think the biggest gripe most fans have is that the issues we have are continual issues that never seem to improve, we have too many players (some of whom Ole bought) who are poor on the ball yet we continue to play out from the back and put ourselves under pressure, we have defenders who make individual errors, we seem to be slow and lethargic in a large majority of games, and we are relying on individual moments to win games rather than playing good football. These are all issues we have had almost since Ole got the job permanently and none have been addressed. I’ve always said Ole isn’t the man to take us back to the top, but he will put in place a lot of good base work that the next man will benefit from, and I have seen nothing to change my mind
posted on 5/4/21
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 13 minutes ago
I agree with a lot of what you say, and the fact we will likely finish 2nd does indeed mean that Ole will deserve next season. But I think the biggest gripe most fans have is that the issues we have are continual issues that never seem to improve, we have too many players (some of whom Ole bought) who are poor on the ball yet we continue to play out from the back and put ourselves under pressure, we have defenders who make individual errors, we seem to be slow and lethargic in a large majority of games, and we are relying on individual moments to win games rather than playing good football. These are all issues we have had almost since Ole got the job permanently and none have been addressed. I’ve always said Ole isn’t the man to take us back to the top, but he will put in place a lot of good base work that the next man will benefit from, and I have seen nothing to change my mind
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A very fair view imo.
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