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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 34 minutes ago
Oh Sandy, your articles get more and more bizarre.
I think the issue most of us fans have is that after years of doing nothing, we had finally turned a corner We had some title pushes, regular champions league, even a final. It was exciting, we started to dream of taking it to the next step. We were getting praise from all sectors of football. Others were jealous of where we could head. It then unravelled and Levy panicked. We got Jose the "serial winner". The problem is from that point we've just slipped backwards and now we should all just be happy to accept 5th or 6th? When did you lose your desire for us to win something?
I agree with you, our current league position is probably as high as we'll finish but it doesn't mean we should be happy with that.
All the things Jose is doing now used to drive you crazy under our previous managers, like constantly tweaking our defence. People would take you far more seriously and enjoy chatting with you if you can drop the hypocrisy and get behind the team, not just the manager.
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Spurs were sinking fast under the previous manager, form was dire. Jose has at least steadied the ship. He can then take Spurs forward again over the next two or three seasons. I look forward to it.
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He's never lasted more than three seasons anywhere
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 34 minutes ago
Oh Sandy, your articles get more and more bizarre.
I think the issue most of us fans have is that after years of doing nothing, we had finally turned a corner We had some title pushes, regular champions league, even a final. It was exciting, we started to dream of taking it to the next step. We were getting praise from all sectors of football. Others were jealous of where we could head. It then unravelled and Levy panicked. We got Jose the "serial winner". The problem is from that point we've just slipped backwards and now we should all just be happy to accept 5th or 6th? When did you lose your desire for us to win something?
I agree with you, our current league position is probably as high as we'll finish but it doesn't mean we should be happy with that.
All the things Jose is doing now used to drive you crazy under our previous managers, like constantly tweaking our defence. People would take you far more seriously and enjoy chatting with you if you can drop the hypocrisy and get behind the team, not just the manager.
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Spurs were sinking fast under the previous manager, form was dire. Jose has at least steadied the ship. He can then take Spurs forward again over the next two or three seasons. I look forward to it.
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He's never lasted more than three seasons anywhere
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Always a first, and if not I will get behind the new manager.
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 34 minutes ago
Oh Sandy, your articles get more and more bizarre.
I think the issue most of us fans have is that after years of doing nothing, we had finally turned a corner We had some title pushes, regular champions league, even a final. It was exciting, we started to dream of taking it to the next step. We were getting praise from all sectors of football. Others were jealous of where we could head. It then unravelled and Levy panicked. We got Jose the "serial winner". The problem is from that point we've just slipped backwards and now we should all just be happy to accept 5th or 6th? When did you lose your desire for us to win something?
I agree with you, our current league position is probably as high as we'll finish but it doesn't mean we should be happy with that.
All the things Jose is doing now used to drive you crazy under our previous managers, like constantly tweaking our defence. People would take you far more seriously and enjoy chatting with you if you can drop the hypocrisy and get behind the team, not just the manager.
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Spurs were sinking fast under the previous manager, form was dire. Jose has at least steadied the ship. He can then take Spurs forward again over the next two or three seasons. I look forward to it.
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He's never lasted more than three seasons anywhere
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Always a first, and if not I will get behind the new manager.
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Bit like Culer does with Ole on the United board
It just goes to show how clueless your average pundit is, with nonsense opinions full of bias, club affiliations and agendas.
But we’re not in the top 4 Billy
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 0 seconds ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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City excluded
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Through gritted teeth Jose would deserve another year if he got the cup and top 4
But that’s only because it’s a results business
I will dread the football again for another season but I’d cling to the hope the football may change
That’s my main gripe with Jose. I’ve seen some utter dross served up since 90/91 season but this has been the most gutless football I’ve seen
He doesn’t know how to kill a game anymore. Gives the opposition hope whoever we are playing
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Through gritted teeth Jose would deserve another year if he got the cup and top 4
But that’s only because it’s a results business
I will dread the football again for another season but I’d cling to the hope the football may change
That’s my main gripe with Jose. I’ve seen some utter dross served up since 90/91 season but this has been the most gutless football I’ve seen
He doesn’t know how to kill a game anymore. Gives the opposition hope whoever we are playing
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I know what you mean mate. He would deserve another season but I wouldn't be convinced that things would drastically improve, and I'd be anxiously awaiting a third season where things really do go tiiits up.
Unless we somehow finished this season so strongly with results and performances that it gave me renewed hope. That might involve having to win almost all our remaining games, which I can't see. Far more likely to achieve a cup and top 4 by limping towards them.
I had you lot down to have a good season, maybe a trophy especially with the acquisition of Bale.
I may have gone as far as to say a title charge was a possibility... unfortunately it wasn’t the World Class Bale you got.
Deffo think he would’ve made a big difference had he had any form.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Why wouldn`t he be as good as Poch, if he won a trophy and got top four. That makes him infinitely better. Poch was OK, but you have to admit he was a trophy dodger. I liked him a lot, but he was seriously overrated by our fans. He struck lucky that he inherited a great bunch of players. Jose had that lot in their prime like Poch has, would almost 100 per cent certainly have won trophies with them.
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Through gritted teeth Jose would deserve another year if he got the cup and top 4
But that’s only because it’s a results business
I will dread the football again for another season but I’d cling to the hope the football may change
That’s my main gripe with Jose. I’ve seen some utter dross served up since 90/91 season but this has been the most gutless football I’ve seen
He doesn’t know how to kill a game anymore. Gives the opposition hope whoever we are playing
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Fair enough comment, but I have quite enjoyed this season. Sure it has not been all rosy, but lots of games I have liked. Just annoyed with the constant throwing away of leads though.
I think we all accept that should he win a trophy and get top 4 he'd, of course, get another crack at it but I'm almost certain that he shouldn't. I've seen enough of spurs under his tutelage to know that this is heading in a horrible direction. Everywhere on the pitch apart from Kane I see regression. For years we've been a well drilled machine. A team coming together to perform greater than the sum of their parts. Now all I see are scared players woefully low on confidence playing patternless football that relies entirely on the one true world class player we have. Harry has improved, granted, but he was always on that path. He's become our Gareth Bale of 2013. His stats are extraordinary. Without him you'd get a truer measure of how well we are performing under Jose as a cohesive unit. We're not. We're not a team anymore. We're a group of individuals masquerading as a team. When we win it's because Kane has done something amazing. When we lose, he's had an off day. Even when he scores 2 goals we end up drawing. Without his input we'd be nearer relegation. Jose is still in a job because Kane is doing the business. He's having the season of his life yet we're still losing so many games and still likely to miss out on top 4. It's because the performances from the rest of the squad apart from him has dropped off enormously. If the whole squad were performing well you'd say the manager is doing the business. If only one player is purring and the rest have dropped off you have to point the finger of blame at the manager's door.
Kane is making Jose look better than he is at the moment. He's the only reason he's still in a job and might, just might, keep it beyond this year.
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Why wouldn`t he be as good as Poch, if he won a trophy and got top four. That makes him infinitely better. Poch was OK, but you have to admit he was a trophy dodger. I liked him a lot, but he was seriously overrated by our fans. He struck lucky that he inherited a great bunch of players. Jose had that lot in their prime like Poch has, would almost 100 per cent certainly have won trophies with them.
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Because 1 League Cup and a top 4 finish doesn't equal top 4 x 4, a CL final, 86 points and unbeaten all season at home, and a few semi final appearances. Jose needs to do more than that, and do it while playing better football.
If he wins the League Cup I may be more inclined to believe you that he would have won something with the same teams that Poch has had and similar limitations put on him.
There's definitely problems behind the scenes. The Toby situation for instance is very strange; Jose saying Toby didn't take a Covid test in time to be selected and Toby saying he did. Toby appears to be one of the least troublesome players so if Jose has fallen out with him, then I can only see a rapid decline and his departure (Jose's) coming sooner rather than later.
The decision to play Sanchez alongside Rodon was madness. Yes, we got away with it against Villa, but that pairing isn't secure enough and I would expect Jose to know that. So what was he playing at with that selection?
I personally do not see any signs (yet) of the players "not playing for him", it's just that some of them are not good enough and that's the bottom line. However, Jose is the manager and it's his job to select the best team and to get them to perform better and he's failing on both counts.
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comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Why wouldn`t he be as good as Poch, if he won a trophy and got top four. That makes him infinitely better. Poch was OK, but you have to admit he was a trophy dodger. I liked him a lot, but he was seriously overrated by our fans. He struck lucky that he inherited a great bunch of players. Jose had that lot in their prime like Poch has, would almost 100 per cent certainly have won trophies with them.
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Because 1 League Cup and a top 4 finish doesn't equal top 4 x 4, a CL final, 86 points and unbeaten all season at home, and a few semi final appearances. Jose needs to do more than that, and do it while playing better football.
If he wins the League Cup I may be more inclined to believe you that he would have won something with the same teams that Poch has had and similar limitations put on him.
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I'm amazed you can't see the bigger picture here Sandy. It's not just about some lousy tin pot cup that even Swansea and Birmingham have managed to win in recent years. It's about building to climb above that level. Sure, to win it would be nice but it won't even get close to what Poch achieved with us. To very nearly win the CL is just beyond comprehension. To chase City down and get 86 points in one season which would have been enough to win the title in many a season is just beyond comprehension. We don't win those sorts of things but we nearly did under him. Those were true dreams very nearly fulfilled. Your logic is so flawed with this obsession with silverware. It's about progress more than it is an individual cup. Leeds won the Championship last season. Silverware. Does that make them better than the spurs side that lost to Liverpool in the CL final? There are cups where progress can be measured and then there are cups that don't. The Carabao is one of them. It's not a springboard. It's a footnote. Nothing more.
I guarantee you this. Nearly every spurs fan will look back more fondly on our CL run to the final we subsequently lost than our League Cup victories over Chelsea and Leicester.
Oh, and before you pull me up for mentioning Poch again don't even bother. The reason I do that is not because I'm in love with the guy. Judging Jose against the previous manager that had largely the same squad (albeit with less depth that Jose has now) is a sensible comparison to make. He was sacked and replaced with Jose so you'd need to see significant improvement from that time and before you pipe up again about us sitting in 13th place at the time, we were actually still only 3 points off the top four at that point. So even at the point Poch was sacked we were as far behind the pack as we are now. Even at Poch's worst point in 5 years, a point shrouded in the sorrow and hangover of losing that final, we are now in the same position, playing worse football with a divided squad torn apart by Jose's public humiliations that serves only to protect his reputation. If he really is "same manager, different players" he's more than welcome to ffffeuuuuuuuck off and find another club.
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posted 6 hours ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tbf sandy, you can't just delete the posts that prove you wrong. I've found a couple of articles that point towards you saying that Spurs will win the title, or be at the top come May.
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I will delete any post mate, that just goes back over old posts to try to prove a point. I simply am not interested in what may or may not have been posted six months back. I am sure I could go back through every posters past stuff and find posts that contradict what they say now. But I never have, I think that is the sort of stuff 10 year olds do.
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My point was, you can't ask where you've said where Spurs will win the league, then somebody gives evidence and then you delete it. That's all I'm saying.
Certainly reeled in the comments here Sandy 😂
Basing a seasons success based on a pundits predictions is a fools move mate.
They can't legislate for a star player getting injured, a manager walking leaving, a previous mediocre player discovering the form of the their life, how quickly signings will gel or not at all.
We have right to expect top 4 as standard, but that is the standard we've set for ourselves based on previous seasons.
We have no right, but do have an expectation not to throw away late leads so frequently.
We have an expectation to play to our strengths, not set up as an insipid side waiting for an opportunity to counter attack with our 25% possession when it's clear we aren't drilled enough to ensure that 1 goal will be enough.
It's not a poor season by comparison to others, but it's a poor season compared to the expectations we have verses some of the results we've had and the manor we've achieved those results in.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 40 minutes ago
I think we all accept that should he win a trophy and get top 4 he'd, of course, get another crack at it but I'm almost certain that he shouldn't. I've seen enough of spurs under his tutelage to know that this is heading in a horrible direction. Everywhere on the pitch apart from Kane I see regression. For years we've been a well drilled machine. A team coming together to perform greater than the sum of their parts. Now all I see are scared players woefully low on confidence playing patternless football that relies entirely on the one true world class player we have. Harry has improved, granted, but he was always on that path. He's become our Gareth Bale of 2013. His stats are extraordinary. Without him you'd get a truer measure of how well we are performing under Jose as a cohesive unit. We're not. We're not a team anymore. We're a group of individuals masquerading as a team. When we win it's because Kane has done something amazing. When we lose, he's had an off day. Even when he scores 2 goals we end up drawing. Without his input we'd be nearer relegation. Jose is still in a job because Kane is doing the business. He's having the season of his life yet we're still losing so many games and still likely to miss out on top 4. It's because the performances from the rest of the squad apart from him has dropped off enormously. If the whole squad were performing well you'd say the manager is doing the business. If only one player is purring and the rest have dropped off you have to point the finger of blame at the manager's door.
Kane is making Jose look better than he is at the moment. He's the only reason he's still in a job and might, just might, keep it beyond this year.
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Fridgeboy, a lot of the players were regressing a long time before Poch left. Some of the results in season 2018/19 were very, very poor. The run to the CL final, with absolute dollops of luck masked how poor the team had become.Spurs were getting beaten by Bournemouth and Burnley, lost to West Ham at home, were hammered 4-2 by Arsenal. Months without an away Prem win, until Jose turned up.
Spurs had peaked long before Poch left and were going downhill quite quickly. And it was getting even worse in 2019/20. Jose at least kept the shift afloat.
It wasn`t all rosy mate. The CL final is clouding your judgement.
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posted 50 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Why wouldn`t he be as good as Poch, if he won a trophy and got top four. That makes him infinitely better. Poch was OK, but you have to admit he was a trophy dodger. I liked him a lot, but he was seriously overrated by our fans. He struck lucky that he inherited a great bunch of players. Jose had that lot in their prime like Poch has, would almost 100 per cent certainly have won trophies with them.
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Because 1 League Cup and a top 4 finish doesn't equal top 4 x 4, a CL final, 86 points and unbeaten all season at home, and a few semi final appearances. Jose needs to do more than that, and do it while playing better football.
If he wins the League Cup I may be more inclined to believe you that he would have won something with the same teams that Poch has had and similar limitations put on him.
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I'm amazed you can't see the bigger picture here Sandy. It's not just about some lousy tin pot cup that even Swansea and Birmingham have managed to win in recent years. It's about building to climb above that level. Sure, to win it would be nice but it won't even get close to what Poch achieved with us. To very nearly win the CL is just beyond comprehension. To chase City down and get 86 points in one season which would have been enough to win the title in many a season is just beyond comprehension. We don't win those sorts of things but we nearly did under him. Those were true dreams very nearly fulfilled. Your logic is so flawed with this obsession with silverware. It's about progress more than it is an individual cup. Leeds won the Championship last season. Silverware. Does that make them better than the spurs side that lost to Liverpool in the CL final? There are cups where progress can be measured and then there are cups that don't. The Carabao is one of them. It's not a springboard. It's a footnote. Nothing more.
I guarantee you this. Nearly every spurs fan will look back more fondly on our CL run to the final we subsequently lost than our League Cup victories over Chelsea and Leicester.
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That lousy tin pot cup is the only thing Spurs have won in the past 30 years. Very disrespectful mate to just dismiss it, like Spurs win titles and CLs every other season.
The CL was an absolute fluke run to the final. It happens in cup runs. Millwall got to a cup final once, with large amounts of luck. Spurs we completely outplayed over both legs of the semis, and somehow the sneaked a win. It was a fluke mate, however you try to dress it up. In reality Spurs should have got knocked out in the group stage.
A fluke to a CL final? Over two legs against the world's best?
Okay, I'll bite. If it was a fluke then surely if we win this season's League Cup then that will be a fluke too? The only difference being is that we'd have faced Chelsea and City as the only top flight opposition to get there as opposed to 'fluking' against the world's best from the group stages right through to the final.
You seem to pick and choose reasons depending on what suits your narrative...
The CL run under Poch was a fluke.
The League Cup run under Jose is a masterclass.
The players not performing well in the last 6 months of Poch's reign was entirely down to him.
The players not performing (ever) under Jose is down to the players.
Can you not see the ridiculousness of these statements. They're so contradictory and full of spin.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
Oh, and before you pull me up for mentioning Poch again don't even bother. The reason I do that is not because I'm in love with the guy. Judging Jose against the previous manager that had largely the same squad (albeit with less depth that Jose has now) is a sensible comparison to make. He was sacked and replaced with Jose so you'd need to see significant improvement from that time and before you pipe up again about us sitting in 13th place at the time, we were actually still only 3 points off the top four at that point. So even at the point Poch was sacked we were as far behind the pack as we are now. Even at Poch's worst point in 5 years, a point shrouded in the sorrow and hangover of losing that final, we are now in the same position, playing worse football with a divided squad torn apart by Jose's public humiliations that serves only to protect his reputation. If he really is "same manager, different players" he's more than welcome to ffffeuuuuuuuck off and find another club.
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Look I don`t doubt your sincerity and as a loyal Spurs supporter, but you really have to let Poch go. Maybe it is because I am of the older generation, and nothing managerial or the teams I have seen in the 21st century match what I saw in the 20th century, but I still support the team and whoever manages them. It just so happens to be Jose now. But I certainly do not take it so personally as you do, who manages the club.
As I say I will give every manager a fair crack of the whip, whoever manages out club. I wasn`t that keen on George Graham when he came in, but I backed him, and he won Spurs a trophy. I certainly would never have got on his back just because he also managed Arsenal. He was managing Spurs and got my full backing.
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posted on 6/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 34 minutes ago
Oh Sandy, your articles get more and more bizarre.
I think the issue most of us fans have is that after years of doing nothing, we had finally turned a corner We had some title pushes, regular champions league, even a final. It was exciting, we started to dream of taking it to the next step. We were getting praise from all sectors of football. Others were jealous of where we could head. It then unravelled and Levy panicked. We got Jose the "serial winner". The problem is from that point we've just slipped backwards and now we should all just be happy to accept 5th or 6th? When did you lose your desire for us to win something?
I agree with you, our current league position is probably as high as we'll finish but it doesn't mean we should be happy with that.
All the things Jose is doing now used to drive you crazy under our previous managers, like constantly tweaking our defence. People would take you far more seriously and enjoy chatting with you if you can drop the hypocrisy and get behind the team, not just the manager.
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Spurs were sinking fast under the previous manager, form was dire. Jose has at least steadied the ship. He can then take Spurs forward again over the next two or three seasons. I look forward to it.
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He's never lasted more than three seasons anywhere
posted on 6/4/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 34 minutes ago
Oh Sandy, your articles get more and more bizarre.
I think the issue most of us fans have is that after years of doing nothing, we had finally turned a corner We had some title pushes, regular champions league, even a final. It was exciting, we started to dream of taking it to the next step. We were getting praise from all sectors of football. Others were jealous of where we could head. It then unravelled and Levy panicked. We got Jose the "serial winner". The problem is from that point we've just slipped backwards and now we should all just be happy to accept 5th or 6th? When did you lose your desire for us to win something?
I agree with you, our current league position is probably as high as we'll finish but it doesn't mean we should be happy with that.
All the things Jose is doing now used to drive you crazy under our previous managers, like constantly tweaking our defence. People would take you far more seriously and enjoy chatting with you if you can drop the hypocrisy and get behind the team, not just the manager.
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Spurs were sinking fast under the previous manager, form was dire. Jose has at least steadied the ship. He can then take Spurs forward again over the next two or three seasons. I look forward to it.
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He's never lasted more than three seasons anywhere
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Always a first, and if not I will get behind the new manager.
posted on 6/4/21
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 34 minutes ago
Oh Sandy, your articles get more and more bizarre.
I think the issue most of us fans have is that after years of doing nothing, we had finally turned a corner We had some title pushes, regular champions league, even a final. It was exciting, we started to dream of taking it to the next step. We were getting praise from all sectors of football. Others were jealous of where we could head. It then unravelled and Levy panicked. We got Jose the "serial winner". The problem is from that point we've just slipped backwards and now we should all just be happy to accept 5th or 6th? When did you lose your desire for us to win something?
I agree with you, our current league position is probably as high as we'll finish but it doesn't mean we should be happy with that.
All the things Jose is doing now used to drive you crazy under our previous managers, like constantly tweaking our defence. People would take you far more seriously and enjoy chatting with you if you can drop the hypocrisy and get behind the team, not just the manager.
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Spurs were sinking fast under the previous manager, form was dire. Jose has at least steadied the ship. He can then take Spurs forward again over the next two or three seasons. I look forward to it.
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He's never lasted more than three seasons anywhere
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Always a first, and if not I will get behind the new manager.
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Bit like Culer does with Ole on the United board
posted on 6/4/21
It just goes to show how clueless your average pundit is, with nonsense opinions full of bias, club affiliations and agendas.
posted on 6/4/21
But we’re not in the top 4 Billy
posted on 6/4/21
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
posted on 6/4/21
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 0 seconds ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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City excluded
posted on 6/4/21
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Through gritted teeth Jose would deserve another year if he got the cup and top 4
But that’s only because it’s a results business
I will dread the football again for another season but I’d cling to the hope the football may change
That’s my main gripe with Jose. I’ve seen some utter dross served up since 90/91 season but this has been the most gutless football I’ve seen
He doesn’t know how to kill a game anymore. Gives the opposition hope whoever we are playing
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Through gritted teeth Jose would deserve another year if he got the cup and top 4
But that’s only because it’s a results business
I will dread the football again for another season but I’d cling to the hope the football may change
That’s my main gripe with Jose. I’ve seen some utter dross served up since 90/91 season but this has been the most gutless football I’ve seen
He doesn’t know how to kill a game anymore. Gives the opposition hope whoever we are playing
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I know what you mean mate. He would deserve another season but I wouldn't be convinced that things would drastically improve, and I'd be anxiously awaiting a third season where things really do go tiiits up.
Unless we somehow finished this season so strongly with results and performances that it gave me renewed hope. That might involve having to win almost all our remaining games, which I can't see. Far more likely to achieve a cup and top 4 by limping towards them.
posted on 6/4/21
I had you lot down to have a good season, maybe a trophy especially with the acquisition of Bale.
I may have gone as far as to say a title charge was a possibility... unfortunately it wasn’t the World Class Bale you got.
Deffo think he would’ve made a big difference had he had any form.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Why wouldn`t he be as good as Poch, if he won a trophy and got top four. That makes him infinitely better. Poch was OK, but you have to admit he was a trophy dodger. I liked him a lot, but he was seriously overrated by our fans. He struck lucky that he inherited a great bunch of players. Jose had that lot in their prime like Poch has, would almost 100 per cent certainly have won trophies with them.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Through gritted teeth Jose would deserve another year if he got the cup and top 4
But that’s only because it’s a results business
I will dread the football again for another season but I’d cling to the hope the football may change
That’s my main gripe with Jose. I’ve seen some utter dross served up since 90/91 season but this has been the most gutless football I’ve seen
He doesn’t know how to kill a game anymore. Gives the opposition hope whoever we are playing
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Fair enough comment, but I have quite enjoyed this season. Sure it has not been all rosy, but lots of games I have liked. Just annoyed with the constant throwing away of leads though.
posted on 6/4/21
I think we all accept that should he win a trophy and get top 4 he'd, of course, get another crack at it but I'm almost certain that he shouldn't. I've seen enough of spurs under his tutelage to know that this is heading in a horrible direction. Everywhere on the pitch apart from Kane I see regression. For years we've been a well drilled machine. A team coming together to perform greater than the sum of their parts. Now all I see are scared players woefully low on confidence playing patternless football that relies entirely on the one true world class player we have. Harry has improved, granted, but he was always on that path. He's become our Gareth Bale of 2013. His stats are extraordinary. Without him you'd get a truer measure of how well we are performing under Jose as a cohesive unit. We're not. We're not a team anymore. We're a group of individuals masquerading as a team. When we win it's because Kane has done something amazing. When we lose, he's had an off day. Even when he scores 2 goals we end up drawing. Without his input we'd be nearer relegation. Jose is still in a job because Kane is doing the business. He's having the season of his life yet we're still losing so many games and still likely to miss out on top 4. It's because the performances from the rest of the squad apart from him has dropped off enormously. If the whole squad were performing well you'd say the manager is doing the business. If only one player is purring and the rest have dropped off you have to point the finger of blame at the manager's door.
Kane is making Jose look better than he is at the moment. He's the only reason he's still in a job and might, just might, keep it beyond this year.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Why wouldn`t he be as good as Poch, if he won a trophy and got top four. That makes him infinitely better. Poch was OK, but you have to admit he was a trophy dodger. I liked him a lot, but he was seriously overrated by our fans. He struck lucky that he inherited a great bunch of players. Jose had that lot in their prime like Poch has, would almost 100 per cent certainly have won trophies with them.
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Because 1 League Cup and a top 4 finish doesn't equal top 4 x 4, a CL final, 86 points and unbeaten all season at home, and a few semi final appearances. Jose needs to do more than that, and do it while playing better football.
If he wins the League Cup I may be more inclined to believe you that he would have won something with the same teams that Poch has had and similar limitations put on him.
posted on 6/4/21
There's definitely problems behind the scenes. The Toby situation for instance is very strange; Jose saying Toby didn't take a Covid test in time to be selected and Toby saying he did. Toby appears to be one of the least troublesome players so if Jose has fallen out with him, then I can only see a rapid decline and his departure (Jose's) coming sooner rather than later.
The decision to play Sanchez alongside Rodon was madness. Yes, we got away with it against Villa, but that pairing isn't secure enough and I would expect Jose to know that. So what was he playing at with that selection?
I personally do not see any signs (yet) of the players "not playing for him", it's just that some of them are not good enough and that's the bottom line. However, Jose is the manager and it's his job to select the best team and to get them to perform better and he's failing on both counts.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Why wouldn`t he be as good as Poch, if he won a trophy and got top four. That makes him infinitely better. Poch was OK, but you have to admit he was a trophy dodger. I liked him a lot, but he was seriously overrated by our fans. He struck lucky that he inherited a great bunch of players. Jose had that lot in their prime like Poch has, would almost 100 per cent certainly have won trophies with them.
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Because 1 League Cup and a top 4 finish doesn't equal top 4 x 4, a CL final, 86 points and unbeaten all season at home, and a few semi final appearances. Jose needs to do more than that, and do it while playing better football.
If he wins the League Cup I may be more inclined to believe you that he would have won something with the same teams that Poch has had and similar limitations put on him.
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I'm amazed you can't see the bigger picture here Sandy. It's not just about some lousy tin pot cup that even Swansea and Birmingham have managed to win in recent years. It's about building to climb above that level. Sure, to win it would be nice but it won't even get close to what Poch achieved with us. To very nearly win the CL is just beyond comprehension. To chase City down and get 86 points in one season which would have been enough to win the title in many a season is just beyond comprehension. We don't win those sorts of things but we nearly did under him. Those were true dreams very nearly fulfilled. Your logic is so flawed with this obsession with silverware. It's about progress more than it is an individual cup. Leeds won the Championship last season. Silverware. Does that make them better than the spurs side that lost to Liverpool in the CL final? There are cups where progress can be measured and then there are cups that don't. The Carabao is one of them. It's not a springboard. It's a footnote. Nothing more.
I guarantee you this. Nearly every spurs fan will look back more fondly on our CL run to the final we subsequently lost than our League Cup victories over Chelsea and Leicester.
posted on 6/4/21
Oh, and before you pull me up for mentioning Poch again don't even bother. The reason I do that is not because I'm in love with the guy. Judging Jose against the previous manager that had largely the same squad (albeit with less depth that Jose has now) is a sensible comparison to make. He was sacked and replaced with Jose so you'd need to see significant improvement from that time and before you pipe up again about us sitting in 13th place at the time, we were actually still only 3 points off the top four at that point. So even at the point Poch was sacked we were as far behind the pack as we are now. Even at Poch's worst point in 5 years, a point shrouded in the sorrow and hangover of losing that final, we are now in the same position, playing worse football with a divided squad torn apart by Jose's public humiliations that serves only to protect his reputation. If he really is "same manager, different players" he's more than welcome to ffffeuuuuuuuck off and find another club.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 6 hours ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tbf sandy, you can't just delete the posts that prove you wrong. I've found a couple of articles that point towards you saying that Spurs will win the title, or be at the top come May.
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I will delete any post mate, that just goes back over old posts to try to prove a point. I simply am not interested in what may or may not have been posted six months back. I am sure I could go back through every posters past stuff and find posts that contradict what they say now. But I never have, I think that is the sort of stuff 10 year olds do.
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My point was, you can't ask where you've said where Spurs will win the league, then somebody gives evidence and then you delete it. That's all I'm saying.
posted on 6/4/21
Certainly reeled in the comments here Sandy 😂
Basing a seasons success based on a pundits predictions is a fools move mate.
They can't legislate for a star player getting injured, a manager walking leaving, a previous mediocre player discovering the form of the their life, how quickly signings will gel or not at all.
We have right to expect top 4 as standard, but that is the standard we've set for ourselves based on previous seasons.
We have no right, but do have an expectation not to throw away late leads so frequently.
We have an expectation to play to our strengths, not set up as an insipid side waiting for an opportunity to counter attack with our 25% possession when it's clear we aren't drilled enough to ensure that 1 goal will be enough.
It's not a poor season by comparison to others, but it's a poor season compared to the expectations we have verses some of the results we've had and the manor we've achieved those results in.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 40 minutes ago
I think we all accept that should he win a trophy and get top 4 he'd, of course, get another crack at it but I'm almost certain that he shouldn't. I've seen enough of spurs under his tutelage to know that this is heading in a horrible direction. Everywhere on the pitch apart from Kane I see regression. For years we've been a well drilled machine. A team coming together to perform greater than the sum of their parts. Now all I see are scared players woefully low on confidence playing patternless football that relies entirely on the one true world class player we have. Harry has improved, granted, but he was always on that path. He's become our Gareth Bale of 2013. His stats are extraordinary. Without him you'd get a truer measure of how well we are performing under Jose as a cohesive unit. We're not. We're not a team anymore. We're a group of individuals masquerading as a team. When we win it's because Kane has done something amazing. When we lose, he's had an off day. Even when he scores 2 goals we end up drawing. Without his input we'd be nearer relegation. Jose is still in a job because Kane is doing the business. He's having the season of his life yet we're still losing so many games and still likely to miss out on top 4. It's because the performances from the rest of the squad apart from him has dropped off enormously. If the whole squad were performing well you'd say the manager is doing the business. If only one player is purring and the rest have dropped off you have to point the finger of blame at the manager's door.
Kane is making Jose look better than he is at the moment. He's the only reason he's still in a job and might, just might, keep it beyond this year.
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Fridgeboy, a lot of the players were regressing a long time before Poch left. Some of the results in season 2018/19 were very, very poor. The run to the CL final, with absolute dollops of luck masked how poor the team had become.Spurs were getting beaten by Bournemouth and Burnley, lost to West Ham at home, were hammered 4-2 by Arsenal. Months without an away Prem win, until Jose turned up.
Spurs had peaked long before Poch left and were going downhill quite quickly. And it was getting even worse in 2019/20. Jose at least kept the shift afloat.
It wasn`t all rosy mate. The CL final is clouding your judgement.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’d be sad and funny at the same time if we do win the trophy and finish in top 4
That’s better than finished in top4 only
Who knows? But it would be funny 😄 after all that
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Blimey, what would the Jose haters say. He would instantly be elevated to our best manager since Keith Burkenshaw.
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He wouldn't. He wouldn't even be as good as Poch.
It would make an average season better, and he'd deserve another season if that's what happened.
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Why wouldn`t he be as good as Poch, if he won a trophy and got top four. That makes him infinitely better. Poch was OK, but you have to admit he was a trophy dodger. I liked him a lot, but he was seriously overrated by our fans. He struck lucky that he inherited a great bunch of players. Jose had that lot in their prime like Poch has, would almost 100 per cent certainly have won trophies with them.
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Because 1 League Cup and a top 4 finish doesn't equal top 4 x 4, a CL final, 86 points and unbeaten all season at home, and a few semi final appearances. Jose needs to do more than that, and do it while playing better football.
If he wins the League Cup I may be more inclined to believe you that he would have won something with the same teams that Poch has had and similar limitations put on him.
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I'm amazed you can't see the bigger picture here Sandy. It's not just about some lousy tin pot cup that even Swansea and Birmingham have managed to win in recent years. It's about building to climb above that level. Sure, to win it would be nice but it won't even get close to what Poch achieved with us. To very nearly win the CL is just beyond comprehension. To chase City down and get 86 points in one season which would have been enough to win the title in many a season is just beyond comprehension. We don't win those sorts of things but we nearly did under him. Those were true dreams very nearly fulfilled. Your logic is so flawed with this obsession with silverware. It's about progress more than it is an individual cup. Leeds won the Championship last season. Silverware. Does that make them better than the spurs side that lost to Liverpool in the CL final? There are cups where progress can be measured and then there are cups that don't. The Carabao is one of them. It's not a springboard. It's a footnote. Nothing more.
I guarantee you this. Nearly every spurs fan will look back more fondly on our CL run to the final we subsequently lost than our League Cup victories over Chelsea and Leicester.
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That lousy tin pot cup is the only thing Spurs have won in the past 30 years. Very disrespectful mate to just dismiss it, like Spurs win titles and CLs every other season.
The CL was an absolute fluke run to the final. It happens in cup runs. Millwall got to a cup final once, with large amounts of luck. Spurs we completely outplayed over both legs of the semis, and somehow the sneaked a win. It was a fluke mate, however you try to dress it up. In reality Spurs should have got knocked out in the group stage.
posted on 6/4/21
A fluke to a CL final? Over two legs against the world's best?
Okay, I'll bite. If it was a fluke then surely if we win this season's League Cup then that will be a fluke too? The only difference being is that we'd have faced Chelsea and City as the only top flight opposition to get there as opposed to 'fluking' against the world's best from the group stages right through to the final.
You seem to pick and choose reasons depending on what suits your narrative...
The CL run under Poch was a fluke.
The League Cup run under Jose is a masterclass.
The players not performing well in the last 6 months of Poch's reign was entirely down to him.
The players not performing (ever) under Jose is down to the players.
Can you not see the ridiculousness of these statements. They're so contradictory and full of spin.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
Oh, and before you pull me up for mentioning Poch again don't even bother. The reason I do that is not because I'm in love with the guy. Judging Jose against the previous manager that had largely the same squad (albeit with less depth that Jose has now) is a sensible comparison to make. He was sacked and replaced with Jose so you'd need to see significant improvement from that time and before you pipe up again about us sitting in 13th place at the time, we were actually still only 3 points off the top four at that point. So even at the point Poch was sacked we were as far behind the pack as we are now. Even at Poch's worst point in 5 years, a point shrouded in the sorrow and hangover of losing that final, we are now in the same position, playing worse football with a divided squad torn apart by Jose's public humiliations that serves only to protect his reputation. If he really is "same manager, different players" he's more than welcome to ffffeuuuuuuuck off and find another club.
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Look I don`t doubt your sincerity and as a loyal Spurs supporter, but you really have to let Poch go. Maybe it is because I am of the older generation, and nothing managerial or the teams I have seen in the 21st century match what I saw in the 20th century, but I still support the team and whoever manages them. It just so happens to be Jose now. But I certainly do not take it so personally as you do, who manages the club.
As I say I will give every manager a fair crack of the whip, whoever manages out club. I wasn`t that keen on George Graham when he came in, but I backed him, and he won Spurs a trophy. I certainly would never have got on his back just because he also managed Arsenal. He was managing Spurs and got my full backing.
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